Have at it...

Yeah or Nay?

Disagree with #9. GT doesn't have a basketball team.

1. UNC
2. Duke
3. Cuse
4. Ville
5. Virginia
6. ND
7. NCST
8. Pitt
9. GT
10. UM
11. FSU
12. BC
13. WF
14. VT
15. Clem

Interesting. Is it the school/program that makes it a great job or is it the coach? Is it based on right now vs. historically? I don't agree that Wake Forest is that poor of a job based on just recent trends. Duke as #2? I doubt it after Coach K leaves. I can't argue against UNC as #1 though.

Who is this NC State of which he speaks? Seems to me that a measure of the attractiveness of a coaching job is the eagerness with which other coaches seek it when the opportunity arises. I haven't seen that in Raleigh for a long time.

(04-15-2016 03:48 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  1. UNC
2. Duke
3. Cuse
4. Ville
5. Virginia
6. ND
7. NCST
8. Pitt
9. GT
10. UM
11. FSU
12. BC
13. WF
14. VT
15. Clem

Interesting. Is it the school/program that makes it a great job or is it the coach? Is it based on right now vs. historically? I don't agree that Wake Forest is that poor of a job based on just recent trends. Duke as #2? I doubt it after Coach K leaves. I can't argue against UNC as #1 though.

Duke is the number one job in the ACC because the degree from Duke is the most valuable and Duke has unlimited money to spend and can do so in private. UVa, and ND have similar advantages. The UNC JOB is fourth at best.

A JOB, includes things like salary, benefits, benefits for your family, access to medical care, access to an alumni network, access to a legal network, influence in a particular region or state or nation.

Duke has had a better basketball program than UNC for the last 80 years. K's won more national titles but when you look at the success of Duke coaches in basketball over the past 8 decades, it's close, but Duke is better.

(04-15-2016 03:12 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Have at it...

Yeah or Nay?

Naye, these are the two highest paid ACC coaches:

Mike Krzyzewski – Duke: $9.7 million
Rick Pitino – Louisville: $5.8 million

Plus Louisville is the most profitable basketball in the NCAA!

A lot of incorrect there lumber pack

(04-15-2016 07:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  A lot of incorrect there lumber pack

Really - put your money where you mouth is

(04-15-2016 06:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Duke has had a better basketball program than UNC for the last 80 years. K's won more national titles but when you look at the success of Duke coaches in basketball over the past 8 decades, it's close, but Duke is better.

Wuh? All-time records:

Heels
106 Seasons
2,173-774 (.737)
Regular Season Conference Champion: 37 Times
Conference Tournament Champion: 26 Times
NCAA Tournament: 117-45, 19 Final Fours
NCAA Champion: 1957, 1982, 1993, 2005 and 2009
Ranked in AP Poll: 46 Times (Preseason), 48 Times (Final), 858 Weeks (Total)

Devils
111 Seasons
2,087-864 (.707)
Regular Season Conference Champion: 22 Times
Conference Tournament Champion: 24 Times
NCAA Tournament: 107-35, 16 Final Fours
NCAA Champion: 1991, 1992, 2001, 2010 and 2015
Ranked in AP Poll: 40 Times (Preseason), 45 Times (Final), 753 Weeks (Total)

(04-15-2016 07:39 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 06:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Duke has had a better basketball program than UNC for the last 80 years. K's won more national titles but when you look at the success of Duke coaches in basketball over the past 8 decades, it's close, but Duke is better.

Wuh? All-time records:

Heels
106 Seasons
2,173-774 (.737)
Regular Season Conference Champion: 37 Times
Conference Tournament Champion: 26 Times
NCAA Tournament: 117-45, 19 Final Fours
NCAA Champion: 1957, 1982, 1993, 2005 and 2009
Ranked in AP Poll: 46 Times (Preseason), 48 Times (Final), 858 Weeks (Total)

Devils
111 Seasons
2,087-864 (.707)
Regular Season Conference Champion: 22 Times
Conference Tournament Champion: 24 Times
NCAA Tournament: 107-35, 16 Final Fours
NCAA Champion: 1991, 1992, 2001, 2010 and 2015
Ranked in AP Poll: 40 Times (Preseason), 45 Times (Final), 753 Weeks (Total)

Wuh? Can you read - I said the last 8 decades - I didn't say go back to WWI. I realize that for some of you that you don't get that there was a time before the ACC, or that the Southern Conference from 1933-1953 was the what is now the ACC.

In the last 80 years Duke is 1772 -674, UNC is 1760 - 604. Duke has won more, UNC has lost less. In that 80 year period, Duke has had one bad stretch with a coach 69-73 with Bucky Waters, an NC State assistant who had a military style at a time that it did not match with Duke. For UNC, Scott who preceded McGuire, never won a thing in 8 years between 46 and 52. We all remember Doh's three seasons at UNC.

I said it was close.

But of course please check my numbers, I could be wrong, but while you are doing so, make a point to check the records of Eddie Cameron, Harold Bradley, and Vic Bubbas. They tend to be forgotten by many who only go back 20-40 years.

Moreover, UNC-Ch played basketball before 1911 (the records they show are from the time of their membership in the South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association the SAIAA, one of the parents to the Southern Conference). Trinity College (now Duke) kept better records. However good documentation before WWI is difficult.

(04-15-2016 03:12 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Have at it...

Yeah or Nay?

All 15 are better than any SEC job not named Kentucky

13?

Yeah, no.

Louisville is a better job than Syracuse...

(04-15-2016 08:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 07:39 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 06:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Duke has had a better basketball program than UNC for the last 80 years. K's won more national titles but when you look at the success of Duke coaches in basketball over the past 8 decades, it's close, but Duke is better.

Wuh? All-time records:

Heels
106 Seasons
2,173-774 (.737)
Regular Season Conference Champion: 37 Times
Conference Tournament Champion: 26 Times
NCAA Tournament: 117-45, 19 Final Fours
NCAA Champion: 1957, 1982, 1993, 2005 and 2009
Ranked in AP Poll: 46 Times (Preseason), 48 Times (Final), 858 Weeks (Total)

Devils
111 Seasons
2,087-864 (.707)
Regular Season Conference Champion: 22 Times
Conference Tournament Champion: 24 Times
NCAA Tournament: 107-35, 16 Final Fours
NCAA Champion: 1991, 1992, 2001, 2010 and 2015
Ranked in AP Poll: 40 Times (Preseason), 45 Times (Final), 753 Weeks (Total)

Wuh? Can you read - I said the last 8 decades - I didn't say go back to WWI. I realize that for some of you that you don't get that there was a time before the ACC, or that the Southern Conference from 1933-1953 was the what is now the ACC.

In the last 80 years Duke is 1772 -674, UNC is 1760 - 604. Duke has won more, UNC has lost less. In that 80 year period, Duke has had one bad stretch with a coach 69-73 with Bucky Waters, an NC State assistant who had a military style at a time that it did not match with Duke. For UNC, Scott who preceded McGuire, never won a thing in 8 years between 46 and 52. We all remember Doh's three seasons at UNC.

I said it was close.

But of course please check my numbers, I could be wrong, but while you are doing so, make a point to check the records of Eddie Cameron, Harold Bradley, and Vic Bubbas. They tend to be forgotten by many who only go back 20-40 years.

Yes, I can read what you posted - Duke is the better program. Going back 80 years is pretty much the entire history of both schools. Okay, at least 70-80% of it. It's also pre-WWII for crying out loud. Each has won 5 national championships within that time span. No matter. You can split the hair on how to define which program is more successful. Back to the OP, I stand by my opinion that UNC is the best job in the ACC.

Louisville #4 in the ACC? This list is a joke. Louisville is arguably a top 5 job nationally. No way Syracuse is ahead of us.

(04-15-2016 08:47 PM)MegaCard Wrote:  Louisville is a better job than Syracuse...

I think they are comparable...3A and 3B

(04-15-2016 11:30 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 08:47 PM)MegaCard Wrote:  Louisville is a better job than Syracuse...

I think they are comparable...3A and 3B

I would agree, they are comparable. Both are excellent jobs.

Not a slam dunk but I'd flip UofL and Syracuse. I'd probably move Wake up a few slots.

No real disrespect to Syracuse or Louisville...both are Top 10 Jobs Nationally and both are National Brands...fact is the ACC has 4 of the Top 10 Basketball Programs in the Nation.

(04-15-2016 07:21 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 03:12 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Have at it...

Yeah or Nay?

Naye, these are the two highest paid ACC coaches:

Mike Krzyzewski – Duke: $9.7 million
Rick Pitino – Louisville: $5.8 million

Plus Louisville is the most profitable basketball in the NCAA!

Boeheim could be paid more, he never demanded it. Simply because the current coach does not demand the maximum value he could command does not make the job less attractive.

There may be other reasons to opine switching the rankings but payroll is not one that can stand on its own.