JRsec
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(03-24-2016 05:53 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: (03-24-2016 05:49 PM)JRsec Wrote: (03-24-2016 05:44 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: (03-24-2016 03:53 PM)JRsec Wrote: (03-24-2016 12:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: If Oklahoma and Florida State are on the table at the same time then I'm still betting we'll have to take Oklahoma State.
At that point, we might as well take West Virginia to get a slice of the Mid-Atlantic. The ACC can survive. The Big 12's days would be numbered and how exactly it disintegrates, I'm not sure.
- Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU
- Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
- Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia
Maybe then the B1G takes Kansas and UConn
That's a fairly nice set up isn't it?
I know it is old and the metrics have shifted, but I just reviewed MrSECs "Expounding on Expansion" and it kind of validated for me that WVU doesn't bring enough to the table for the SEC.
His metrics also did not consider the North Carolina Schools, so in a new round of expansion, they might not be as helpful, but he found that OK and Virginia were the top remaining non-Texas/ND options for the SEC.
Florida State came right next, followed by Maryland (to Big 10 since the report) and Virginia Tech.
At this point I don't know how either the Big 10 or the SEC views UNC/Duke/NC State, especially with UNCs academic issues recently.
If both Big 10 and SEC went to 18, I could easily see:
SEC: Oklahoma, FSU, one of Virginia/VTech and one of UNC/Duke
Big 10: Kansas, one of Virginia/VTech, one of UNC/Duke, + 1?
My guess would be that Duke would want to go with Virginia, which might mean that SEC goes VTech/UNC, but I don't know.
The +1 for Big 10 is very limited. I know it doesn't have to be AAU, but that might be where they start: Georgia Tech, Iowa State, Pitt. In this case I'd go with GT.
On the other hand, some "out there" picks: Toronto, NYU, Buffalo, Tulane, Rice from the non-P5 set, and something like Vandy/Mizzou from the P5 could be dark horses (not realistic I know!)
That would leave ACC with 8 schools (gone are FSU, VTech, Virginia, UNC, Duke, and GT) and the remainder could then combine with Big 12 for a third 18 team conference, or take a leftover group + UConn/Cincy, etc if Texas and friends leave for the PAC 16.
I know the Irish fans say never, but if Virginia and Duke headed to the Big 10 with Kansas and we were moving to a P4 where the champions were the CFP representatives, I expect Notre Dame to have to join fully somewhere. With Virginia and Duke in the fold I think their resistance gives into Big 10 membership, but only under those circumstances.
With no ACC and the PAC a continent away, I think they take the Big 10 over the SEC don't you?
Absolutely. Even though SEC improves academic standing a bit with the new schools, they have no competition compared to Big 10. ND is not a good fit with SEC anyway. I guess I'd have to revise and say ND is 18th school, GT gets left out?
You might even consider this: Virignia, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Notre Dame to the Big 10. North Carolina, Duke, Clemson and Florida State to the SEC.
If we don't move to 20, then I don't see us taking Oklahoma because the Big 12 will be expanding with the leftover ACC schools.
I think we take Clemson in that case because they travel so darned well, they give us 100% of South Carolina, Florida State gives us (with the Gators) 85% of the viewers of college football in Florida, and North Carolina and Duke (who already expressed a desire to move together) give us a very high percentage of North Carolina.
I was talking with a "real Big10" alum the other night and they too are talking about the changing pay models and feel that owning all of Virginia is far more advantageous than only owning 50% of it. If they don't take Kansas (meaning the Big 12 remains) then look for either Syracuse or Connecticut to sew up a larger portion of New York. My thinking is Syracuse as they, like Nebraska, were AAU and lost it, but are very close to regaining the status, more so than Nebraska.
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