Lots of upsets in the first day of the 2nd round. More in the 2nd day of the second round. In day 1, 7 out of the first 16 games were upsets, and in each case a team in a major conference was the one getting beat. The PAC had a bad day, finishing 1-3.

Day 2 was not much better for the Pac,finishing 1-2. That gives them a tournament record of 2-5. Thats completely abysmal given that all of their losses were upsets to some degree.

3 of the big conferences have pulled upsets. (AAC,ACC & BE) 4 of the major conferences have experienced upsets.

Pulled an Upset
AAC - 1 minor (Uconn over Colorado)
BE - 1 minor (Providence over USC)
ACC - Syracuse over Dayton


Laid an Egg(s)
B12 - 3 majors & 1 Minor (Yale over Baylor, SFA over WVU, N. Iowa over Texas, Butler over TTech)
B10 - 2 Major (Little Rock over Purdue, MTSU over Mich St)
BE - 1 Major (Gonzaga over Seton Hall)
Pac - 3 Major & 2 Minors (Wich St over Arizona, Hawaii over Cal, VCU over Or ST, Uconn over Colorado, Providence over USC)

per the oddsmakers, U Conn and Providence were not upsets

(03-18-2016 08:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Lots of upsets in the first round. Only 2 of the big conferences have pulled upsets. (AAC & BE) 4 of the major conferences have experienced upsets. 7 out of the first 16 games were upsets, and in each case a team in a major conference was the one getting beat. The PAC had a bad day, finishing 1-3.


Pulled an Upset
AAC - 1 minor (Uconn over Colorado)
BE - 1 minor (Providence over USC)


Laid an Egg(s)
B12 - 1 majors & 1 Minor (Yale over Baylor, Butler over TTech)
B10 - 1 Major (Little Rock over Purdue)
BE - 1 Major (Gonzaga over Seton Hall)
Pac - 1 Major & 2 Minors (Wich St over Arizona, Uconn over Colorado, Providence over USC)

After beating Xavier and Nova, seton hall completely **** the bed. I thought they would be a team that would do some damage in the tourney.

(03-18-2016 08:39 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  per the oddsmakers, U Conn and Providence were not upsets

Neither was Gonzaga. They were 2 pt favorites.

Neither 8/9 nor 7/10 games are upsets or laid egg games. Wouldn't be fair to include those. 5 seed lines or more is generally considered an upset in terms of how people discuss them.

(03-18-2016 08:48 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 08:39 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  per the oddsmakers, U Conn and Providence were not upsets

Neither was Gonzaga. They were 2 pt favorites.

That one surprises me on a high level, because Gonzaga had lost twice this season to St Mary's, and Seton Hall was looking like they were in beast mode.

All things considered, Gonzaga over Seton Hall is not an upset other than the seeding and the 8/9 game is a pick 'em, even if it were Duke playing Canisius or something like that where one is a brand name and the other a relative unknown.

I have to admit I did not watch the B12 or P12 this year, but the seeding of Colorado, Baylor, Texas Tech, USC, Arizona and even Purdue all seemed baffling to me. I don't think any of those teams have any differentiation from UConn, Cincinnati, Wichita State, Temple or whoever else...

This seeding and placement in the tourney are flawed. FGCU was down by 1 at half to UNC...after playing Tuesday night in Dayton and then flying to Raleigh, and then playing UNC 20 miles from their campus. FGCU won their conference tourney to get in the NCAA.

Duke/UNCW should have been in Raleigh...UNC/FGCU game should have been in Providence. The committee needs to stop giving the name brands and the name brand conferences the benefit in what is supposed to be a FAIR tournament. Seed the teams fairly and place them geographically fairly and lets get back to a more regional approach.

(03-18-2016 08:54 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 08:48 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 08:39 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  per the oddsmakers, U Conn and Providence were not upsets

Neither was Gonzaga. They were 2 pt favorites.

That one surprises me on a high level, because Gonzaga had lost twice this season to St Mary's, and Seton Hall was looking like they were in beast mode.

Seton Hall got hot and made a run that got them an inflated seed to what their resume was 3 weeks ago(won 8 of 9). It's not that Gonzaga is better than an 11 seed. It's that Seton Hall wasn't as good as a 6 seed.

If you were smart only Butler was an upset. If you overthought you picked Fresno. And if you were dumb, like me, you didn't pick Gonzaga even though your gut told you to.


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Gonzaga is a well coached team with a coach that knows the drill when it comes to March, even if he generally underachieves this time of year. As someone else noted, Satan Hall overachieved late in the year into a better seed than their level of play reflects, so it's not surprising the Zags took them down.

Have to say it, SMU beat both Yale and Gonzaga. Crying shame we weren't able to go to Tournament. Our own fault, though.

(03-18-2016 10:15 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 08:54 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 08:48 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 08:39 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  per the oddsmakers, U Conn and Providence were not upsets

Neither was Gonzaga. They were 2 pt favorites.

That one surprises me on a high level, because Gonzaga had lost twice this season to St Mary's, and Seton Hall was looking like they were in beast mode.

Seton Hall got hot and made a run that got them an inflated seed to what their resume was 3 weeks ago(won 8 of 9). It's not that Gonzaga is better than an 11 seed. It's that Seton Hall wasn't as good as a 6 seed.

Gonzaga is an experienced tournament team, played down some from normal during the season and conference, but solid. SH has not been to the tournament in years, and relies mostly on sophomores. IMO, the Pirates are back next year with more experience and understanding of what the NCAA is all about.

(03-18-2016 10:15 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 08:54 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 08:48 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 08:39 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  per the oddsmakers, U Conn and Providence were not upsets

Neither was Gonzaga. They were 2 pt favorites.

That one surprises me on a high level, because Gonzaga had lost twice this season to St Mary's, and Seton Hall was looking like they were in beast mode.

Seton Hall got hot and made a run that got them an inflated seed to what their resume was 3 weeks ago(won 8 of 9). It's not that Gonzaga is better than an 11 seed. It's that Seton Hall wasn't as good as a 6 seed.

Thats been the BE's story ever since the split. Let's see if Villanova can get out of the first weekend.

Elevation. Seton Hall was gassed. Guys were huffing oxygen on the sidelines. Spokane isn't as high up there as Denver, but Gonzaga is way more accustomed to playing at high altitudes.

Plus, Gonzaga is experienced. They were in the Sweet 16 last year and have been in every tournament since 1894.

(03-18-2016 08:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Lots of upsets in the first round. Only 2 of the big conferences have pulled upsets. (AAC & BE) 4 of the major conferences have experienced upsets. 7 out of the first 16 games were upsets, and in each case a team in a major conference was the one getting beat. The PAC had a bad day, finishing 1-3.


Pulled an Upset
AAC - 1 minor (Uconn over Colorado)
BE - 1 minor (Providence over USC)


Laid an Egg(s)
B12 - 1 majors & 1 Minor (Yale over Baylor, Butler over TTech)
B10 - 1 Major (Little Rock over Purdue)
BE - 1 Major (Gonzaga over Seton Hall)
Pac - 1 Major & 2 Minors (Wich St over Arizona, Uconn over Colorado, Providence over USC)

Butler pulled an upset, but you left them off the top list.

Lotta folks don't get the idea of a "minor upset". You're making a list like this, and 9 beats 8 or 7 beats 10, or later on 5 beats 4, it's a "minor upset."

Of course 7-10 are pretty close. That's why it's not a "major upset."

9/8 is not an upset at all. I hope we're agreeing.

(03-18-2016 12:32 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  9/8 is not an upset at all. I hope we're agreeing.

It is if you're counting "seeding upsets". 9 is more than 8.

It's not a surprise, though. I don't know the % of 9s that beat 8's, but I'd be shocked if it's more than 45%

(03-18-2016 08:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Lots of upsets in the first round. Only 2 of the big conferences have pulled upsets. (AAC & BE) 4 of the major conferences have experienced upsets. 7 out of the first 16 games were upsets, and in each case a team in a major conference was the one getting beat. The PAC had a bad day, finishing 1-3.


Pulled an Upset
AAC - 1 minor (Uconn over Colorado)
BE - 2 minors (Providence over USC, Butler over TTECH)


Laid an Egg(s)
B12 - 1 majors & 1 Minor (Yale over Baylor, Butler over TTech)
B10 - 1 Major (Little Rock over Purdue)
BE - 1 Major (Gonzaga over Seton Hall)
Pac - 1 Major & 2 Minors (Wich St over Arizona, Uconn over Colorado, Providence over USC)