(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:56 AM)Paul M Wrote:  How is self defense manslaughter?

How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

Why are you excusing Trayvon's behavior? If he had nothing to hide or be fearful of, why did he assault Zimmerman? You know the very thing you're trying to corner Paul on with your lame 'gotcha' game.

(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:56 AM)Paul M Wrote:  How is self defense manslaughter?

How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:56 AM)Paul M Wrote:  How is self defense manslaughter?

How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:56 AM)Paul M Wrote:  How is self defense manslaughter?

How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Trayvon attacked Zimmerman first. Or are you making up your own facts again?

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:56 AM)Paul M Wrote:  How is self defense manslaughter?

How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Being followed does not justify physically attacking someone.

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:56 AM)Paul M Wrote:  How is self defense manslaughter?

How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Nope. Following someone is not tne same as assaulting them

(02-07-2016 03:07 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:56 AM)Paul M Wrote:  How is self defense manslaughter?

How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Being followed does not justify physically attacking someone.

he's minority trolling....he can't help it....

(02-07-2016 03:34 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:56 AM)Paul M Wrote:  How is self defense manslaughter?

How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Nope. Following someone is not tne same as assaulting them

Except in Fit-topia, it IS the same. Fit-topia's laws don't apply to white's (or white hispanic's) like they do to "brown" people and blacks!

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first.

We don't know for sure, do we?

And without knowing the answer to that question, beyond a reasonable doubt, it is impossible to convict George Zimmerman of any crime. Unless you can convince a jury that his leaving the car meant that it was inevitable that someone was going to die, in which case you could probably get involuntary manslaughter. But that's the absolute limit. And that's a hard sell.

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:56 AM)Paul M Wrote:  How is self defense manslaughter?

How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Defend himself from what?

I don't know why you guys keep arguing with Fit. You know he's in a world of his own making and he'll never admit defeat. What's important is that Zimmerman was proven innocent and THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. Personally, I couldn't care less what Fit thinks. He's like Red and you're yelling into the wind.

(02-07-2016 10:45 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I don't know why you guys keep arguing with Fit. You know he's in a world of his own making and he'll never admit defeat. What's important is that Zimmerman was proven innocent and THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. Personally, I couldn't care less what Fit thinks. He's like Red and you're yelling into the wind.

No, Zimmerman was not proved innocent. That's not the way criminal trials work. So many people keep complaining that Zimmerman was not proved innocent. He wasn't. So what. That's the way criminal procedure works in this country.

(02-07-2016 06:25 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:56 AM)Paul M Wrote:  How is self defense manslaughter?

How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Defend himself from what?

So if someone was following you in the dark with a loaded weapon you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself?

(02-08-2016 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:25 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Defend himself from what?

So if someone was following you in the dark with a loaded weapon you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself?

so Martin knew for a fact that Zimmerman had a weapon and it was loaded?

(02-08-2016 12:38 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:25 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Defend himself from what?

So if someone was following you in the dark with a loaded weapon you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself?

so Martin knew for a fact that Zimmerman had a weapon and it was loaded?

We don't know what Martin knew because Zimmerman killed him.

How would you react to someone following you? Would you confront them? Run from them? Hide from them? What?

(02-08-2016 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:25 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  How is it self defense when you are the one following an unarmed boy with a loaded weapon? What would you do if someone started following you in the dark?

It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Defend himself from what?

So if someone was following you in the dark with a loaded weapon you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself?

1. If someone is following you in the dark with a loaded weapon and you don't have one, you would have to be pretty damn stupid to confront them.

2. You are speculating that Martin knew Zimmerman had a loaded weapon.

3. Following your "logic" any inner city thug walking in front of a cop has the right to 'defend' himself.

4. Defense does not include starting an altercation.

(02-08-2016 12:41 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:25 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 12:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It became self-defense when Martin physically attacked him.

Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Defend himself from what?

So if someone was following you in the dark with a loaded weapon you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself?

1. If someone is following you in the dark with a loaded weapon and you don't have one, you would have to be pretty damn stupid to confront them.

2. You are speculating that Martin knew Zimmerman had a loaded weapon.

3. Following your "logic" any inner city thug walking in front of a cop has the right to 'defend' himself.

4. Defense does not include starting an altercation.

1. From what I recall of the story, Treyvon in fact tried to hide from Zimmerman.

2. We don't know what Martin knew because Zimmerman killed him.

3. We don't know who started it.

As to who started it...who followed who? Easy answer.

(02-08-2016 12:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:41 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:25 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Defend himself from what?

So if someone was following you in the dark with a loaded weapon you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself?

1. If someone is following you in the dark with a loaded weapon and you don't have one, you would have to be pretty damn stupid to confront them.

2. You are speculating that Martin knew Zimmerman had a loaded weapon.

3. Following your "logic" any inner city thug walking in front of a cop has the right to 'defend' himself.

4. Defense does not include starting an altercation.

1. From what I recall of the story, Treyvon in fact tried to hide from Zimmerman.

2. We don't know what Martin knew because Zimmerman killed him.

3. We don't know who started it.

1. Incorrect. His girlfriend testified that Trayvon was going to confront Zimmerman and kick his ass. She told him not to.

2. In fact we do. He told his girlfriend, and his girlfriend testified to that.

3. It actually doesnt matter who started what. What matters is who assaulted who. And we know from evidence that it was Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, Trayvon punching zimmerman, and Zimmerman with all of the injuries. Trayvon had no injury other than the gunshot wound and cuts on his knuckles where he was pounding Zimmerman.

Case closed. Thug wanted to be a thug, and got shot. Time to move on.

(02-08-2016 12:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:41 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:25 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 02:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Who attacked whom first and who felt threatened first. If Trayvon was being followed, didnt he have a right to defend himself?

Defend himself from what?

So if someone was following you in the dark with a loaded weapon you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself?

1. If someone is following you in the dark with a loaded weapon and you don't have one, you would have to be pretty damn stupid to confront them.

2. You are speculating that Martin knew Zimmerman had a loaded weapon.

3. Following your "logic" any inner city thug walking in front of a cop has the right to 'defend' himself.

4. Defense does not include starting an altercation.

1. From what I recall of the story, Treyvon in fact tried to hide from Zimmerman.

2. We don't know what Martin knew because Zimmerman killed him.

3. We don't know who started it.

1. Source

2. It's called speculation. You are speculating that Martin knew because you think it helps your narrative.

3. It's irrelevant.