Posted this on another thread and thought it needed it's own thread. This is how you carve up the Big XII and turn the Power 5 into the Power 4 without adding G5 teams.

B1G adds UVA and KU

SEC adds NC St and TCU

Pac-12 ballons to Pac-16 with UT, OU, OSU & Tech

ACC adds WVU, ISU, KSU & Baylor

B1G pods:

East- UVA, Maryland, PSU, Rutgers

South- Indiana, OSU, Purdue, Illinois

North-UM, MSU, NW, Wisconsin

West-Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Minny

SEC pods:

West- A&M, TCU, Arkansas, LSU

North- Mizzou, Tennessee, UK, Vandy

South- Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St

East- UF, UGA, USC, NC st

Pac-16 pods:

North West- Oregon, OSU, Washington, WSU

Plains- Texas, OU, OSU, Texas Tech

Mountain- Utah, Colorado, ASU, Arizona

West- USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal

ACC pods:

North- BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU

West- Baylor, ISU, KSU, Louisville

East- UNC, Duke, Wake, VT

South- FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson

Pac 20: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, OU, OK state, KU, Kstate, Io State
ACC at 18: Uconn, WVU, Baylor

everybody in the big 12 has a home.

I think the B1G will get ISU, KSU, Baylor and TCU. PSU will drop football because damaging new evidence on the protracted coverup of child abuse will be presented, and Nebraska leaves the B1G to follow OU wherever it wants to go...

A couple chinks in the armor here:

- so long as the ACC is a P conf, UVA and NC St aren't leaving it
- the ACC wants nothing to do with the schools you listed

Yeah F those G5 guys! Those losers deserve nothing.

If we're callously consigning other people's conferences to oblivion, I see no reason not to do the same with schools.

It's a lot more realistic if you accept that 16 school conferences aren't happening. So we're looking at 4 x 14, 56 schools. So we're relegating 9 schools.

Wake Forest is the first to go. Washington STate, Iowa State, Kansas STate, Oregon STate all duplicate states that probably can't support 2 super-FBS teams. Vanderbilt and Northwestern probably don't make the cut. Miami's history and south Florida location means they're safe. Oh, missed Baylor. THat's 8, so we're looking at one more cut.

So the final cut comes down to Texas Tech, BC, Rutgers and Syracuse. BC and Syracuse have history, Texas TEch has a lot of people in the stadium. Rutgers DID have the first ever college football game.

You really think the ACC will just give up UVA and NCST for Baylor, ISU, KSU ? And put Louisville in that pod.............

How about we just relegate the Big 10 to FCS? They can do need based scholarships like the Ivy League. Then they can brag about academics all they want without a hint of hypocrisy.

(02-01-2016 10:44 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  A couple chinks in the armor here:

- so long as the ACC is a P conf, UVA and NC St aren't leaving it
- the ACC wants nothing to do with the schools you listed

The ACC would be happy to take other P5 members.

You saying they wouldn't leave doesn't mean they wont. We've seen this before with Texas A&M. No one thought they would have split from Texas but they did.

If I were a Rutgers fan, I'd also be against elevating any G5 teams to a mythical P4 alignment. I mean, why add to the already long list of schools that could kick Rutgers' ass in football and basketball?

(02-01-2016 11:09 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  If we're callously consigning other people's conferences to oblivion, I see no reason not to do the same with schools.

It's a lot more realistic if you accept that 16 school conferences aren't happening. So we're looking at 4 x 14, 56 schools. So we're relegating 9 schools.

Wake Forest is the first to go. Washington STate, Iowa State, Kansas STate, Oregon STate all duplicate states that probably can't support 2 super-FBS teams. Vanderbilt and Northwestern probably don't make the cut. Miami's history and south Florida location means they're safe. Oh, missed Baylor. THat's 8, so we're looking at one more cut.

So the final cut comes down to Texas Tech, BC, Rutgers and Syracuse. BC and Syracuse have history, Texas TEch has a lot of people in the stadium. Rutgers DID have the first ever college football game.

Well if you look at actual fan support for football, Here's your bottom 10:
1. Duke
2. Wake Forest
3. Washington St.
4. Boston College
5. Vanderbilt
6. Kansas
7. Northwestern
8. Syracuse
9. Colorado
10. Oregon St.

Honorable mention-Purdue, Maryland, Illinois, Indiana and Virginia. KSU and Iowa St. are middle of the pack for P5 schools, both over 50k.

(02-01-2016 11:15 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  You really think the ACC will just give up UVA and NCST for Baylor, ISU, KSU ? And put Louisville in that pod.............

No, I think that the money is going to be much greater in the SEC and B1G than anything the ACC can offer. It's not a trade im talking about. In the very near future the ACC will have to figure out a way to keep members happy while making half as much as other P5 conferences. As we see time and time again with realignment, tradition only goes so far.

(02-01-2016 11:32 AM)colohank Wrote:  If I were a Rutgers fan, I'd also be against elevating any G5 teams to a mythical P4 alignment. I mean, why add to the already long list of schools that could kick Rutgers' ass in football and basketball?

Remember when UC beat Rutgers 52-14 in 2013 or the time UC put up 69 points in them in football in 2010 (UC's worst season of the decade fwiw). If we didn't sit our starters in those games we could have put up over 70 and 80 points on them. In retrospect I wish we had left the starters in.

(02-01-2016 11:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 11:32 AM)colohank Wrote:  If I were a Rutgers fan, I'd also be against elevating any G5 teams to a mythical P4 alignment. I mean, why add to the already long list of schools that could kick Rutgers' ass in football and basketball?

Remember when UC beat Rutgers 52-14 in 2013 or the time UC put up 69 points in them in football in 2010 (UC's worst season of the decade fwiw). If we didn't sit our starters in those games we could have put up over 70 and 80 points on them. In retrospect I wish we had left the starters in.

Remember when Cincy was left holding the bag in conference realignment? I do!

(02-01-2016 11:33 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 11:09 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  If we're callously consigning other people's conferences to oblivion, I see no reason not to do the same with schools.

It's a lot more realistic if you accept that 16 school conferences aren't happening. So we're looking at 4 x 14, 56 schools. So we're relegating 9 schools.

Wake Forest is the first to go. Washington STate, Iowa State, Kansas STate, Oregon STate all duplicate states that probably can't support 2 super-FBS teams. Vanderbilt and Northwestern probably don't make the cut. Miami's history and south Florida location means they're safe. Oh, missed Baylor. THat's 8, so we're looking at one more cut.

So the final cut comes down to Texas Tech, BC, Rutgers and Syracuse. BC and Syracuse have history, Texas TEch has a lot of people in the stadium. Rutgers DID have the first ever college football game.

Well if you look at actual fan support for football, Here's your bottom 10:
1. Duke
2. Wake Forest
3. Washington St.
4. Boston College
5. Vanderbilt
6. Kansas
7. Northwestern
8. Syracuse
9. Colorado
10. Oregon St.

Honorable mention-Purdue, Maryland, Illinois, Indiana and Virginia. KSU and Iowa St. are middle of the pack for P5 schools, both over 50k.

Basketball does matter, which is why I didn't consider dropping Duke or Kansas (or Indiana, although I should have thought about Purdue.)

I suppose I should have considered Colorado, but they were putting 50K in the stands not too long ago. Then again, so was Texas TEch. Maybe I'm overrating map coverage, and paying too much attention to where there's overlap.

Or maybe this thread is a total waste of time, and I shouldn't have bothered.

(02-01-2016 12:25 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 11:33 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 11:09 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  If we're callously consigning other people's conferences to oblivion, I see no reason not to do the same with schools.

It's a lot more realistic if you accept that 16 school conferences aren't happening. So we're looking at 4 x 14, 56 schools. So we're relegating 9 schools.

Wake Forest is the first to go. Washington STate, Iowa State, Kansas STate, Oregon STate all duplicate states that probably can't support 2 super-FBS teams. Vanderbilt and Northwestern probably don't make the cut. Miami's history and south Florida location means they're safe. Oh, missed Baylor. THat's 8, so we're looking at one more cut.

So the final cut comes down to Texas Tech, BC, Rutgers and Syracuse. BC and Syracuse have history, Texas TEch has a lot of people in the stadium. Rutgers DID have the first ever college football game.

Well if you look at actual fan support for football, Here's your bottom 10:
1. Duke
2. Wake Forest
3. Washington St.
4. Boston College
5. Vanderbilt
6. Kansas
7. Northwestern
8. Syracuse
9. Colorado
10. Oregon St.

Honorable mention-Purdue, Maryland, Illinois, Indiana and Virginia. KSU and Iowa St. are middle of the pack for P5 schools, both over 50k.

Basketball does matter, which is why I didn't consider dropping Duke or Kansas (or Indiana, although I should have thought about Purdue.)

I suppose I should have considered Colorado, but they were putting 50K in the stands not too long ago. Then again, so was Texas TEch. Maybe I'm overrating map coverage, and paying too much attention to where there's overlap.

Or maybe this thread is a total waste of time, and I shouldn't have bothered.

If you expand it to the bottom 20, you pick up most of the rest of the private schools, including 3 who have spent a lot of time in the top 10 the last few years-Stanford, TCU and Baylor.

(02-01-2016 11:44 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 11:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 11:32 AM)colohank Wrote:  If I were a Rutgers fan, I'd also be against elevating any G5 teams to a mythical P4 alignment. I mean, why add to the already long list of schools that could kick Rutgers' ass in football and basketball?

Remember when UC beat Rutgers 52-14 in 2013 or the time UC put up 69 points in them in football in 2010 (UC's worst season of the decade fwiw). If we didn't sit our starters in those games we could have put up over 70 and 80 points on them. In retrospect I wish we had left the starters in.

Remember when Cincy was left holding the bag in conference realignment? I do!

From a strictly fan standpoint, I'd much rather be in UC's position right now than Rutgers. It's a lot more fun to see your team win then constantly get their teeth kicked in.

Monetarily, it's a different story, but nothing in RU's history suggests that will ever amount to much.

The P5 teams already share 80% of the CFP revenue. Cutting 5 conferences to 4 isn't going to change that and I don't see how 4 conferences will generate more conference level TV revenue than 5. Not to mention the nightmare of dealing with bloated conference sizes. Its a non-starter.

(02-01-2016 11:44 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 11:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 11:32 AM)colohank Wrote:  If I were a Rutgers fan, I'd also be against elevating any G5 teams to a mythical P4 alignment. I mean, why add to the already long list of schools that could kick Rutgers' ass in football and basketball?

Remember when UC beat Rutgers 52-14 in 2013 or the time UC put up 69 points in them in football in 2010 (UC's worst season of the decade fwiw). If we didn't sit our starters in those games we could have put up over 70 and 80 points on them. In retrospect I wish we had left the starters in.

Remember when Cincy was left holding the bag in conference realignment? I do!

Absolutely. Cincy fans are well aware of that slight and also of Rutgers' utter lack of athletic prowess, which is why your hubris as regards the P5/G5 divide is so pathetic. Tell us, what's it like to be a perennial laughing-stock?

(02-01-2016 12:25 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 11:33 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 11:09 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  If we're callously consigning other people's conferences to oblivion, I see no reason not to do the same with schools.

It's a lot more realistic if you accept that 16 school conferences aren't happening. So we're looking at 4 x 14, 56 schools. So we're relegating 9 schools.

Wake Forest is the first to go. Washington STate, Iowa State, Kansas STate, Oregon STate all duplicate states that probably can't support 2 super-FBS teams. Vanderbilt and Northwestern probably don't make the cut. Miami's history and south Florida location means they're safe. Oh, missed Baylor. THat's 8, so we're looking at one more cut.

So the final cut comes down to Texas Tech, BC, Rutgers and Syracuse. BC and Syracuse have history, Texas TEch has a lot of people in the stadium. Rutgers DID have the first ever college football game.

Well if you look at actual fan support for football, Here's your bottom 10:
1. Duke
2. Wake Forest
3. Washington St.
4. Boston College
5. Vanderbilt
6. Kansas
7. Northwestern
8. Syracuse
9. Colorado
10. Oregon St.

Honorable mention-Purdue, Maryland, Illinois, Indiana and Virginia. KSU and Iowa St. are middle of the pack for P5 schools, both over 50k.

Basketball does matter, which is why I didn't consider dropping Duke or Kansas (or Indiana, although I should have thought about Purdue.)

I suppose I should have considered Colorado, but they were putting 50K in the stands not too long ago. Then again, so was Texas TEch. Maybe I'm overrating map coverage, and paying too much attention to where there's overlap.

Or maybe this thread is a total waste of time, and I shouldn't have bothered.

It is a waste of time. The deal when the P5 rumored to break away from the NCAA? There were talk that the best schools from the G5 conferences could tag along that are making money on football like BYU, East Carolina and Boise State.