(01-11-2016 10:39 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  If UMass was where Framingham State or Salem State it would be better. UMass was in Eastern Mass it might not be an afterthough for the state congress.

Well, probably like most of the New England public U's -- they were created as land grants and that means their original mission was to serve agriculture education. So a somewhat non-urban location makes some sense, in that regard.

(01-09-2016 06:11 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 02:29 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 01:13 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Wichita State isn't moving until 2019 at the earliest. The Missouri Valley Conference has racked up a pile of credits, and there are still credits earned by Creighton that have not been paid:

2016-17: 12 shares from Creighton left behind ($3.30 million)
2017-18: 6 shares from Creighton left behind. ($1.65 million)
2018-19: 2 shares from Creighton left behind ($0.66 million)

What Wichita State should do is take their fellow 5 conference mates who play football to form a new all-sports FCS conference:

West - North Dakota, North Dakota State, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Northern Iowa, Wichita State
East - Missouri State, Western Illinois, Illinois State, Southern Illinois, Indiana State, Murray State

By taking more than 50% of the MVC with them, all of the tournament credits revert to the schools that earned them. It might actually be worth taking a school llke Oral Roberts instead of North Dakota because then the Summit League's credits would revert to the schools, and Youngstown State's football program could just simply follow the rest of the MVFC to the new league to stand in as ORU's football team.

The remaining four schools in the MVC (Bradley, Drake, Evansville, Loyola-Chicago) would have no residual tournament credits, and essentially be homeless. The Horizon League, Ohio Valley Conference, and Summit League would scoop up the remaining schools.

I don't see anyone going for that. The Dakota schools have a really good thing going in the Summit. They're kings there. The tournament is in Sioux Falls. It's generally Dakota schools winning the NCAA bids.

The MVC schools really like that conference. Particularly N Iowa, Drake, MO St and the IL/IN schools.

That's precisely why the rest of the Slummit wants to leave: nothing says big time more than Sioux Falls. Why did UMKC leave again?

IPFW and IUPUI would be better served in the ASun, and they know it.

IPFW and IUPUI would probably prefer to be in the Horizon. They both have decent facilities and good location for that conference. Oakland made it.

Not sure where else WIU could go, realistically. MVC not on the table. EIU is an affiliate in the Summit. If we could get them on-board as full members, then WIU would be happy.

Denver also doesn't really have anywhere better to go. They won't go to the Big Sky. Could've done that already, and chose not to.

Oral Roberts came back to the Summit.

Then obviously Dakotas and Omaha are right where they want to be.


So what you say is actually incorrect.

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(01-11-2016 12:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 06:11 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 02:29 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 01:13 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Wichita State isn't moving until 2019 at the earliest. The Missouri Valley Conference has racked up a pile of credits, and there are still credits earned by Creighton that have not been paid:

2016-17: 12 shares from Creighton left behind ($3.30 million)
2017-18: 6 shares from Creighton left behind. ($1.65 million)
2018-19: 2 shares from Creighton left behind ($0.66 million)

What Wichita State should do is take their fellow 5 conference mates who play football to form a new all-sports FCS conference:

West - North Dakota, North Dakota State, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Northern Iowa, Wichita State
East - Missouri State, Western Illinois, Illinois State, Southern Illinois, Indiana State, Murray State

By taking more than 50% of the MVC with them, all of the tournament credits revert to the schools that earned them. It might actually be worth taking a school llke Oral Roberts instead of North Dakota because then the Summit League's credits would revert to the schools, and Youngstown State's football program could just simply follow the rest of the MVFC to the new league to stand in as ORU's football team.

The remaining four schools in the MVC (Bradley, Drake, Evansville, Loyola-Chicago) would have no residual tournament credits, and essentially be homeless. The Horizon League, Ohio Valley Conference, and Summit League would scoop up the remaining schools.

I don't see anyone going for that. The Dakota schools have a really good thing going in the Summit. They're kings there. The tournament is in Sioux Falls. It's generally Dakota schools winning the NCAA bids.

The MVC schools really like that conference. Particularly N Iowa, Drake, MO St and the IL/IN schools.

That's precisely why the rest of the Slummit wants to leave: nothing says big time more than Sioux Falls. Why did UMKC leave again?

IPFW and IUPUI would be better served in the ASun, and they know it.

IPFW and IUPUI would probably prefer to be in the Horizon. They both have decent facilities and good location for that conference. Oakland made it.

Not sure where else WIU could go, realistically. MVC not on the table. EIU is an affiliate in the Summit. If we could get them on-board as full members, then WIU would be happy.

Denver also doesn't really have anywhere better to go. They won't go to the Big Sky. Could've done that already, and chose not to.

Oral Roberts came back to the Summit.

Then obviously Dakotas and Omaha are right where they want to be.


So what you say is actually incorrect.

IUPUI and IPFW have been there for more than ten years for the Horizon, yet they took NKU, which had never been eligible for the dance until it accepted the Horizons invitation. The Horizon would have to be badly poached before they take those IP schools.

Denver had wanted into the Big Sky, but they didn't want to start football which was a stipulation. ORU got back in free, with no entrance fees, as the Slummit needed ORU'S baseball to survive as it did not have a third men's team sport to meet conference qualifications. ORU and Denver want to be Wichita State's buds - that's the only reason they choose a Midwest based league for positioning for the next move.

WIU lost their football coach to USD as he knew that WIU doesn't have good future conference options.

The only schools that are happy with the Slummit are the Dakota ones. That should speak volumes, but many things you are tone deaf on.

(01-11-2016 01:24 PM)NoDak Wrote:  #

(01-11-2016 12:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 06:11 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 02:29 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 01:13 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Wichita State isn't moving until 2019 at the earliest. The Missouri Valley Conference has racked up a pile of credits, and there are still credits earned by Creighton that have not been paid:

2016-17: 12 shares from Creighton left behind ($3.30 million)
2017-18: 6 shares from Creighton left behind. ($1.65 million)
2018-19: 2 shares from Creighton left behind ($0.66 million)

What Wichita State should do is take their fellow 5 conference mates who play football to form a new all-sports FCS conference:

West - North Dakota, North Dakota State, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Northern Iowa, Wichita State
East - Missouri State, Western Illinois, Illinois State, Southern Illinois, Indiana State, Murray State

By taking more than 50% of the MVC with them, all of the tournament credits revert to the schools that earned them. It might actually be worth taking a school llke Oral Roberts instead of North Dakota because then the Summit League's credits would revert to the schools, and Youngstown State's football program could just simply follow the rest of the MVFC to the new league to stand in as ORU's football team.

The remaining four schools in the MVC (Bradley, Drake, Evansville, Loyola-Chicago) would have no residual tournament credits, and essentially be homeless. The Horizon League, Ohio Valley Conference, and Summit League would scoop up the remaining schools.

I don't see anyone going for that. The Dakota schools have a really good thing going in the Summit. They're kings there. The tournament is in Sioux Falls. It's generally Dakota schools winning the NCAA bids.

The MVC schools really like that conference. Particularly N Iowa, Drake, MO St and the IL/IN schools.

That's precisely why the rest of the Slummit wants to leave: nothing says big time more than Sioux Falls. Why did UMKC leave again?

IPFW and IUPUI would be better served in the ASun, and they know it.

IPFW and IUPUI would probably prefer to be in the Horizon. They both have decent facilities and good location for that conference. Oakland made it.

Not sure where else WIU could go, realistically. MVC not on the table. EIU is an affiliate in the Summit. If we could get them on-board as full members, then WIU would be happy.

Denver also doesn't really have anywhere better to go. They won't go to the Big Sky. Could've done that already, and chose not to.

Oral Roberts came back to the Summit.

Then obviously Dakotas and Omaha are right where they want to be.


So what you say is actually incorrect.

IUPUI and IPFW have been there for more than ten years for the Horizon, yet they took NKU, which had never been eligible for the dance until it accepted the Horizons invitation. The Horizon would have to be badly poached before they take those IP schools.

Denver had wanted into the Big Sky, but they didn't want to start football which was a stipulation. ORU got back in free, with no entrance fees, as the Slummit needed ORU'S baseball to survive as it did not have a third men's team sport to meet conference qualifications. ORU and Denver want to be Wichita State's buds - that's the only reason they choose a Midwest based league for positioning for the next move.

WIU lost their football coach to USD as he knew that WIU doesn't have good future conference options.

The only schools that are happy with the Slummit are the Dakota ones. That should speak volumes, but many things you are tone deaf on.

I'm gladly tone deaf to the only tones you sing ... over and over and over.

Even if the Summit was just the Dakota 4, Omaha, KC and Denver, that'd be good enough. Baseball can be affiliates, for all I care - to be honest. Don't really think the sport makes sense in the Dakotas given the season dates.

(01-11-2016 12:53 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 10:39 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  If UMass was where Framingham State or Salem State it would be better. UMass was in Eastern Mass it might not be an afterthough for the state congress.

Well, probably like most of the New England public U's -- they were created as land grants and that means their original mission was to serve agriculture education. So a somewhat non-urban location makes some sense, in that regard.

Yup, Massachusetts Agricultural College (AKA M.A.C, or Mass Aggie) was the original name of UMass.
Fantastic team photo below.

(01-11-2016 12:53 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 10:39 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  If UMass was where Framingham State or Salem State it would be better. UMass was in Eastern Mass it might not be an afterthough for the state congress.

Well, probably like most of the New England public U's -- they were created as land grants and that means their original mission was to serve agriculture education. So a somewhat non-urban location makes some sense, in that regard.

Especially since, if anyone had a hankering to ask the fancy-pants perfessers about something or other, they'd go over to Harvard and ask them.

I do think that football members would be much more happier if they are in a conference that are made up with football mined members. Too many conferences are hybrids right now. I do see the football members of the MVC could break away, and formed an all sports conference.

Illinois State
Missouri State
Southern Illinois
Northern Iowa
Indiana State
They could bring in.
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Western Illinois
Youngstown State

Wichita State could restart football for number 11.

Eastern Kentucky, New Mexico State, West Texas A&M, Lamar or Central Arkansas for #12? Could this lineup be a good FBS conference?

Big Sky FBS could look like this?

Idaho
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Northern Arizona

Need 2 more to 12.

New Mexico State, West Texas A&M, Northern Colorado, Azusa Pacific (does have a stadium around the same size as Cal-Davis and Cal-Poly), Colorado Mesa, Colorado State-Pueblo, Simon Frasier?

(01-11-2016 01:24 PM)NoDak Wrote:  IUPUI and IPFW have been there for more than ten years for the Horizon, yet they took NKU, which had never been eligible for the dance until it accepted the Horizons invitation. The Horizon would have to be badly poached before they take those IP schools.

Denver had wanted into the Big Sky, but they didn't want to start football which was a stipulation. ORU got back in free, with no entrance fees, as the Slummit needed ORU'S baseball to survive as it did not have a third men's team sport to meet conference qualifications. ORU and Denver want to be Wichita State's buds - that's the only reason they choose a Midwest based league for positioning for the next move.

WIU lost their football coach to USD as he knew that WIU doesn't have good future conference options.

The only schools that are happy with the Slummit are the Dakota ones. That should speak volumes, but many things you are tone deaf on.

There's more to it for Denver than just positioning themselves for a Missouri Valley invite. They went to the "Slummit" so they could also get away from a WAC that added Chicago State and Grand Canyon. IIRC, Denver's administration viewed them as academically unacceptable to align with and to a lesser extent, they felt the same way about Utah Valley as well.


But I can't see them wanting to join the Big Sky. Why would Denver be so eager to enter a bloated conference where everyone is a public school AND everyone has football? I don't see it, notwithstanding regional opponents such as Northern Colorado and Northern Arizona. Denver fits better in the Big West in that case IMO since it doesn't sponsor football; not to mention academic association with Hawaii and four UC schools.


Denver, as we all know, is somewhat of an oddball due to their geography and sports mix. You can fit them in a number of different conferences out west and in the midwest but as long as they value hockey, lacrosse and skiing - and don't sponsor baseball or softball - they will continue to have all of their sports split up in leagues across the country. While they would gladly jump at the first Missouri Valley offer, their ultimate destination is the WCC. That's where they most likely feel like they belong.

(01-08-2016 11:29 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 11:24 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  Don't see us adding UMass or anyone else as football only. Idaho and NMSU were thrown life preservers and NMSU has pursued full membership but the location of both is not ideal. Drop both, add two full members and be done.

Why even add two full members, if a CCG can be achieved with 10?

Just dilutes whatever money you get.

It's actually 2 FB-only to get to 12 that allows additional revenue for the full-time members, since it allows distributing their additional $1m from the CFP money among the full time members ... given that it's a payment to the conference, and there's no reason to hand it over to FB-only members who have no other alternative conference to play in.

(01-09-2016 10:29 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  The CFP payout would increase, up to 12. That is true. But all other money decreases (per school). I doubt the Sun Belt TV/streaming contract is going to expand much by adding EKU and Missouri St, for example. And I also don't think they'll get into more bowl games. And then NCAA basketball money becomes thinner per school.

But none of those are factors in a FB-only membership, since then the other money stays constant per school.

Not too much analyzing is needed.
Idaho can't be an independent long term .
The Big Sky has given them an open ended invite for football.

The fan base will go crazy and the university suffer if independents is not tried for a few years.

(01-09-2016 01:13 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Missouri Valley Conference has racked up a pile of credits, and there are still credits earned by Creighton that have not been paid:
2016-17: 12 shares from Creighton left behind ($3.30 million)
2017-18: 6 shares from Creighton left behind. ($1.65 million)
2018-19: 2 shares from Creighton left behind ($0.66 million)

Creighton made that money back in the first two years of the Big East's FS1 contract.

(01-11-2016 08:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I do think that football members would be much more happier if they are in a conference that are made up with football mined members. Too many conferences are hybrids right now. I do see the football members of the MVC could break away, and formed an all sports conference.

Illinois State
Missouri State
Southern Illinois
Northern Iowa
Indiana State
They could bring in.
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Western Illinois
Youngstown State

Wichita State could restart football for number 11.

Eastern Kentucky, New Mexico State, West Texas A&M, Lamar or Central Arkansas for #12? Could this lineup be a good FBS conference?

Big Sky FBS could look like this?

Idaho
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Northern Arizona

Need 2 more to 12.

New Mexico State, West Texas A&M, Northern Colorado, Azusa Pacific (does have a stadium around the same size as Cal-Davis and Cal-Poly), Colorado Mesa, Colorado State-Pueblo, Simon Frasier?

After we leave the MVC, the conference will have a choice to make. What I would like to see is....

MVC
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Indiana State
USD
SDSU
NDSU
Drake*
Bradley*
Youngstown State**

*Olympic sports
**Football only

Offer Drake an annual home Valley football game rotated in by all members in order to keep them on board. It will be difficult to get Bradley on board with this but they will be the key to whole thing.

Loyola and Evansville to the Horizon.
Summit regroups with UMKC, St Cloud sans football, and Chicago State.
WIU football to the OVC

(01-12-2016 02:20 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 01:24 PM)NoDak Wrote:  IUPUI and IPFW have been there for more than ten years for the Horizon, yet they took NKU, which had never been eligible for the dance until it accepted the Horizons invitation. The Horizon would have to be badly poached before they take those IP schools.

Denver had wanted into the Big Sky, but they didn't want to start football which was a stipulation. ORU got back in free, with no entrance fees, as the Slummit needed ORU'S baseball to survive as it did not have a third men's team sport to meet conference qualifications. ORU and Denver want to be Wichita State's buds - that's the only reason they choose a Midwest based league for positioning for the next move.

WIU lost their football coach to USD as he knew that WIU doesn't have good future conference options.

The only schools that are happy with the Slummit are the Dakota ones. That should speak volumes, but many things you are tone deaf on.

There's more to it for Denver than just positioning themselves for a Missouri Valley invite. They went to the "Slummit" so they could also get away from a WAC that added Chicago State and Grand Canyon. IIRC, Denver's administration viewed them as academically unacceptable to align with and to a lesser extent, they felt the same way about Utah Valley as well.


But I can't see them wanting to join the Big Sky. Why would Denver be so eager to enter a bloated conference where everyone is a public school AND everyone has football? I don't see it, notwithstanding regional opponents such as Northern Colorado and Northern Arizona. Denver fits better in the Big West in that case IMO since it doesn't sponsor football; not to mention academic association with Hawaii and four UC schools.


Denver, as we all know, is somewhat of an oddball due to their geography and sports mix. You can fit them in a number of different conferences out west and in the midwest but as long as they value hockey, lacrosse and skiing - and don't sponsor baseball or softball - they will continue to have all of their sports split up in leagues across the country. While they would gladly jump at the first Missouri Valley offer, their ultimate destination is the WCC. That's where they most likely feel like they belong.

If Denver turned their noses up at Chicago St, Grand Canyon and Utah Valley ... I can't see themselves wanting No CO as a rival. Completely different missions and histories.

Also not sure how you're saying No AZ would be a regional rival for Denver.

Also not sure how you're saying that Denver would fit into a California bus league + Hawaii. AND they don't have baseball, which is arguably the signature sport of the Big West.


Denver #1 men's sport is hockey. Hands down. They like where they're at, for that sport. Omaha is a regional rival. Well, Omaha is in the Summit. North Dakota should be in the Summit too, for that matter. That would be their two best DI regional rivals in the same conference for men's hockey and men's basketball. Done.


I do agree that if offered membership in the WCC or the MVC, they would accept.

(01-12-2016 04:44 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 11:29 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 11:24 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  Don't see us adding UMass or anyone else as football only. Idaho and NMSU were thrown life preservers and NMSU has pursued full membership but the location of both is not ideal. Drop both, add two full members and be done.

Why even add two full members, if a CCG can be achieved with 10?

Just dilutes whatever money you get.

It's actually 2 FB-only to get to 12 that allows additional revenue for the full-time members, since it allows distributing their additional $1m from the CFP money among the full time members ... given that it's a payment to the conference, and there's no reason to hand it over to FB-only members who have no other alternative conference to play in.

(01-09-2016 10:29 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  The CFP payout would increase, up to 12. That is true. But all other money decreases (per school). I doubt the Sun Belt TV/streaming contract is going to expand much by adding EKU and Missouri St, for example. And I also don't think they'll get into more bowl games. And then NCAA basketball money becomes thinner per school.

But none of those are factors in a FB-only membership, since then the other money stays constant per school.

He said "add two full members and be done", so I was addressing that.

While you are correct that adding two FB-only members to the Sun Belt would not affect non-FB money, the CFP money stays the same ($1M/school) while the TV money for FB goes down slightly (most likely). Maybe it's an insignificant overall decrease.


But the point is, if a CCG can be had with only 10, why add two FB-only members if you don't have to?

(01-12-2016 05:36 AM)MJG Wrote:  Not too much analyzing is needed.
Idaho can't be an independent long term .
The Big Sky has given them an open ended invite for football.

The fan base will go crazy and the university suffer if independents is not tried for a few years.

So you agree that if/when the Sun Belt votes out Idaho, the first course of action should be to go FBS independent.

Then reassess after a few seasons of that.


That's the most reasonable course of action, in my opinion.

(01-08-2016 09:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Fullerton doesn't want Idaho at the FCS level. Whomever is spouting such nonsense doesn't take his past statements into context.

Remember the Titans!



Maybe Idaho needs to talk Fullerton, Pacific, and a few other schools into getting the band back together.

(01-12-2016 11:17 AM)Shox Wrote:  After we leave the MVC, the conference will have a choice to make. What I would like to see is....

MVC
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Indiana State
USD
SDSU
NDSU
Drake*
Bradley*
Youngstown State**

*Olympic sports
**Football only

Offer Drake an annual home Valley football game rotated in by all members in order to keep them on board. It will be difficult to get Bradley on board with this but they will be the key to whole thing.

Loyola and Evansville to the Horizon.
Summit regroups with UMKC, St Cloud sans football, and Chicago State.
WIU football to the OVC

But that's not going to happen.

1) MVC private schools don't want more public schools
2) MVC public schools despise the Dakota schools for their football prowess in the MVFC and look down on them for their basketball
3) Similarly for Youngstown, which I think has a reasonably good situation


If/when Wichita St leaves the MVC, the private schools will demand to even the numbers at 5/5 public/private.

Maybe Valpo.

(01-12-2016 12:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 11:17 AM)Shox Wrote:  After we leave the MVC, the conference will have a choice to make. What I would like to see is....

MVC
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Indiana State
USD
SDSU
NDSU
Drake*
Bradley*
Youngstown State**

*Olympic sports
**Football only

Offer Drake an annual home Valley football game rotated in by all members in order to keep them on board. It will be difficult to get Bradley on board with this but they will be the key to whole thing.

Loyola and Evansville to the Horizon.
Summit regroups with UMKC, St Cloud sans football, and Chicago State.
WIU football to the OVC

But that's not going to happen.

1) MVC private schools don't want more public schools
2) MVC public schools despise the Dakota schools for their football prowess in the MVFC and look down on them for their basketball
3) Similarly for Youngstown, which I think has a reasonably good situation


If/when Wichita St leaves the MVC, the private schools will demand to even the numbers at 5/5 public/private.

Maybe Valpo.

The publics are tired of carrying the private schools weight around. In addition, Mo State and ISUr theoretically have options to go FBS. UNI/SIU will do whatever it takes to keep them in the Valley so that they can keep their football programs out of a Summit or OVC type league. To

(01-12-2016 01:22 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 12:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 11:17 AM)Shox Wrote:  After we leave the MVC, the conference will have a choice to make. What I would like to see is....

MVC
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Indiana State
USD
SDSU
NDSU
Drake*
Bradley*
Youngstown State**

*Olympic sports
**Football only

Offer Drake an annual home Valley football game rotated in by all members in order to keep them on board. It will be difficult to get Bradley on board with this but they will be the key to whole thing.

Loyola and Evansville to the Horizon.
Summit regroups with UMKC, St Cloud sans football, and Chicago State.
WIU football to the OVC

But that's not going to happen.

1) MVC private schools don't want more public schools
2) MVC public schools despise the Dakota schools for their football prowess in the MVFC and look down on them for their basketball
3) Similarly for Youngstown, which I think has a reasonably good situation


If/when Wichita St leaves the MVC, the private schools will demand to even the numbers at 5/5 public/private.

Maybe Valpo.

The publics are tired of carrying the private schools weight around. In addition, Mo State and ISUr theoretically have options to go FBS. UNI/SIU will do whatever it takes to keep them in the Valley so that they can keep their football programs out of a Summit or OVC type league. To

I don't think MO St has anywhere to go, after the Sun Belt took Coastal. IL St can only go to the MAC if they lose teams. Doubt that happens.

MVC publics are pretty rock solid and love the conference and what they have with each other. I don't see why they wouldn't give the privates another school to rally around.

Valop is another Indiana school and close to Chicago.

N Iowa/Drake
IL St/Bradley
SIU/MO St
IN St/Evansville
Valpo/Loyola

(01-12-2016 03:28 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 01:22 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 12:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 11:17 AM)Shox Wrote:  After we leave the MVC, the conference will have a choice to make. What I would like to see is....

MVC
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Indiana State
USD
SDSU
NDSU
Drake*
Bradley*
Youngstown State**

*Olympic sports
**Football only

Offer Drake an annual home Valley football game rotated in by all members in order to keep them on board. It will be difficult to get Bradley on board with this but they will be the key to whole thing.

Loyola and Evansville to the Horizon.
Summit regroups with UMKC, St Cloud sans football, and Chicago State.
WIU football to the OVC

But that's not going to happen.

1) MVC private schools don't want more public schools
2) MVC public schools despise the Dakota schools for their football prowess in the MVFC and look down on them for their basketball
3) Similarly for Youngstown, which I think has a reasonably good situation


If/when Wichita St leaves the MVC, the private schools will demand to even the numbers at 5/5 public/private.

Maybe Valpo.

The publics are tired of carrying the private schools weight around. In addition, Mo State and ISUr theoretically have options to go FBS. UNI/SIU will do whatever it takes to keep them in the Valley so that they can keep their football programs out of a Summit or OVC type league. To

I don't think MO St has anywhere to go, after the Sun Belt took Coastal. IL St can only go to the MAC if they lose teams. Doubt that happens.

MVC publics are pretty rock solid and love the conference and what they have with each other. I don't see why they wouldn't give the privates another school to rally around.

Valop is another Indiana school and close to Chicago.

N Iowa/Drake
IL St/Bradley
SIU/MO St
IN St/Evansville
Valpo/Loyola

The problem is that the MVFC wants FBS, and were in talks with the WAC for football only membership. The WAC in turn could have invited Western Illinois, North Dakota State, South Dakota, North Dakota and South Dakota State for all sports. Maybe Youngstown State for all sports? This was when the WAC was still an FBS conference. They could still talk to the WAC again for FBS. Since New Mexico State is still a member of the WAC. If this could happen? This would free SBC from both New Mexico State and Idaho.

SBC do need some large tv markets.

Lamar= Houston area
Chattanooga= Chattanooga
Jacksonville= Jacksonville
West Florida= Pensacola
North Florida= Jacksonville
Florida A&M=Tallahassee
James Madison = ?
Norfolk State = Norfolk
Jackson State = Jackson, Miss.
Central Arkansas = Conway/Little Rock
Richmond
Missouri State = Springfield
Tennessee State = Nashville
Mercer or Kennesaw State = Atlanta
Alabama State
North Alabama

There are some more D2 schools like Valdosta State could fit.
There are many large populated areas that have HBCUs as well like Fayetteville State, Savannah State and some others.

As it is, some of the schools in the SBC and others have schools in the boonies.