I think the problem with this conference is that too many programs in this league aren’t really committed to basketball. They may say they are, they may like the idea of it, but the actions aren’t there to back it up.

Look at the scheduling for at least half of the teams in this conference, it’s horrible. I don’t mean to call anyone’s baby ugly but I feel like too many AD’s and coaches are content with scheduling a cupcake OOC so at the end of the year they have their 15 wins and can tell the fans and alumni “we are making progress, we are only a player or two away from contending” when in reality that can’t be further from the truth. With that mindset they never really have to address the real situation.

Conferences like the Big East and the A10 schedule tough because basketball is their focus, I feel like for most of the programs here it’s an afterthought. Most of the fans of the schools in the AAC would never stand for the level of OOC scheduling quality of basketball opponents for their football program, why tolerate it so willingly in basketball?

Then fans get mad when the “experts” say that the conference is weak and only a 1 or 2 bid league. In basketball you’re voted into the post season based on your overall body of work (unless you get the auto bid) and 2/3 of your schedule is set for you by the conference. The AAC needs to get to the point where more than a handful of conference games matter and that’s only done by everyone scheduling OOC games that matter. This conference will only become a power conference (4 - 5 bid league) in basketball when everyone top to bottom becomes committed to basketball and it starts with OOC scheduling.

(01-06-2016 11:58 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I think the problem with this conference is that too many programs in this league aren’t really committed to basketball. They may say they are, they may like the idea of it, but the actions aren’t there to back it up.

Look at the scheduling for at least half of the teams in this conference, it’s horrible. I don’t mean to call anyone’s baby ugly but I feel like too many AD’s and coaches are content with scheduling a cupcake OOC so at the end of the year they have their 15 wins and can tell the fans and alumni “we are making progress, we are only a player or two away from contending” when in reality that can’t be further from the truth. With that mindset they never really have to address the real situation.

Conferences like the Big East and the A10 schedule tough because basketball is their focus, I feel like for most of the programs here it’s an afterthought. Most of the fans of the schools in the AAC would never stand for the level of OOC scheduling quality of basketball opponents for their football program, why tolerate it so willingly in basketball?

Then fans get mad when the “experts” say that the conference is weak and only a 1 or 2 bid league. In basketball you’re voted into the post season based on your overall body of work (unless you get the auto bid) and 2/3 of your schedule is set for you by the conference. The AAC needs to get to the point where more than a handful of conference games matter and that’s only done by everyone scheduling OOC games that matter. This conference will only become a power conference (4 - 5 bid league) in basketball when everyone top to bottom becomes committed to basketball and it starts with OOC scheduling.

And then we get one "snub" a year with us last year and SMU two years ago having their resume dragged down by the teams you mentioned who have awful SOS and RPI

Cool high is good.

That team has a ton of talent.

Plus you would think that the LSU win will look better and better.

They beat Pony once and crush the spares in our league they will be fine.

(01-06-2016 11:58 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I think the problem with this conference is that too many programs in this league aren’t really committed to basketball. They may say they are, they may like the idea of it, but the actions aren’t there to back it up.

Look at the scheduling for at least half of the teams in this conference, it’s horrible. I don’t mean to call anyone’s baby ugly but I feel like too many AD’s and coaches are content with scheduling a cupcake OOC so at the end of the year they have their 15 wins and can tell the fans and alumni “we are making progress, we are only a player or two away from contending” when in reality that can’t be further from the truth. With that mindset they never really have to address the real situation.

Conferences like the Big East and the A10 schedule tough because basketball is their focus, I feel like for most of the programs here it’s an afterthought. Most of the fans of the schools in the AAC would never stand for the level of OOC scheduling quality of basketball opponents for their football program, why tolerate it so willingly in basketball?

Then fans get mad when the “experts” say that the conference is weak and only a 1 or 2 bid league. In basketball you’re voted into the post season based on your overall body of work (unless you get the auto bid) and 2/3 of your schedule is set for you by the conference. The AAC needs to get to the point where more than a handful of conference games matter and that’s only done by everyone scheduling OOC games that matter. This conference will only become a power conference (4 - 5 bid league) in basketball when everyone top to bottom becomes committed to basketball and it starts with OOC scheduling.

I just think that some programs have fully realized that from image, income, worth, or importance perspectives hoops is a distant second to football. That's happened while the college basketball game and surroundings have become a cesspool of handlers and hangers-on with their hand out. Rightly or wrongly, it's viewed as a dirty process.

Even for a college basketball lover like me, with the obvious higher value and interest level in football I fully understand where many ADs are investing.

ECU continues to be a part of the problem.

(01-06-2016 12:24 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 11:58 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I think the problem with this conference is that too many programs in this league aren’t really committed to basketball. They may say they are, they may like the idea of it, but the actions aren’t there to back it up.

Look at the scheduling for at least half of the teams in this conference, it’s horrible. I don’t mean to call anyone’s baby ugly but I feel like too many AD’s and coaches are content with scheduling a cupcake OOC so at the end of the year they have their 15 wins and can tell the fans and alumni “we are making progress, we are only a player or two away from contending” when in reality that can’t be further from the truth. With that mindset they never really have to address the real situation.

Conferences like the Big East and the A10 schedule tough because basketball is their focus, I feel like for most of the programs here it’s an afterthought. Most of the fans of the schools in the AAC would never stand for the level of OOC scheduling quality of basketball opponents for their football program, why tolerate it so willingly in basketball?

Then fans get mad when the “experts” say that the conference is weak and only a 1 or 2 bid league. In basketball you’re voted into the post season based on your overall body of work (unless you get the auto bid) and 2/3 of your schedule is set for you by the conference. The AAC needs to get to the point where more than a handful of conference games matter and that’s only done by everyone scheduling OOC games that matter. This conference will only become a power conference (4 - 5 bid league) in basketball when everyone top to bottom becomes committed to basketball and it starts with OOC scheduling.

I just think that some programs have fully realized that from image, income, worth, or importance perspectives hoops is a distant second to football. That's happened while the college basketball game and surroundings have become a cesspool of handlers and hangers-on with their hand out. Rightly or wrongly, it's viewed as a dirty process.

Even for a college basketball lover like me, with the obvious higher value and interest level in football I fully understand where many ADs are investing.

I don’t disagree with a word you say, especially when it comes to handlers, recruiting and the whole AAU thing, however people shouldn’t be shocked or offended to see the AAC behind the P5, Big East and A10 when it comes to hoops.

That being said, we are all trying to best position ourselves for a P5 invitation, I think the programs that believe basketball is irrelevant when being considered for P5 expansion, especially to a conference like the ACC or Big 12 with their basketball history are making a big mistake. Also if our fans and commissioner want to position the AAC as a power conference they need more to make their case than just football.

I am trying to get a good read on this years team. We haven't gotten over the hump to close out games against good teams yet but we usually take them all down to the wire in the contest. Maybe the young guys are getting it and they take down UConn on Saturday. Memphis is dangerous if it all comes together for this group. I know it is a youth thing with some of our key players and consistent effort from our veterans.

(01-06-2016 01:21 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 12:24 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 11:58 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I think the problem with this conference is that too many programs in this league aren’t really committed to basketball. They may say they are, they may like the idea of it, but the actions aren’t there to back it up.

Look at the scheduling for at least half of the teams in this conference, it’s horrible. I don’t mean to call anyone’s baby ugly but I feel like too many AD’s and coaches are content with scheduling a cupcake OOC so at the end of the year they have their 15 wins and can tell the fans and alumni “we are making progress, we are only a player or two away from contending” when in reality that can’t be further from the truth. With that mindset they never really have to address the real situation.

Conferences like the Big East and the A10 schedule tough because basketball is their focus, I feel like for most of the programs here it’s an afterthought. Most of the fans of the schools in the AAC would never stand for the level of OOC scheduling quality of basketball opponents for their football program, why tolerate it so willingly in basketball?

Then fans get mad when the “experts” say that the conference is weak and only a 1 or 2 bid league. In basketball you’re voted into the post season based on your overall body of work (unless you get the auto bid) and 2/3 of your schedule is set for you by the conference. The AAC needs to get to the point where more than a handful of conference games matter and that’s only done by everyone scheduling OOC games that matter. This conference will only become a power conference (4 - 5 bid league) in basketball when everyone top to bottom becomes committed to basketball and it starts with OOC scheduling.

I just think that some programs have fully realized that from image, income, worth, or importance perspectives hoops is a distant second to football. That's happened while the college basketball game and surroundings have become a cesspool of handlers and hangers-on with their hand out. Rightly or wrongly, it's viewed as a dirty process.

Even for a college basketball lover like me, with the obvious higher value and interest level in football I fully understand where many ADs are investing.

I don’t disagree with a word you say, especially when it comes to handlers, recruiting and the whole AAU thing, however people shouldn’t be shocked or offended to see the AAC behind the P5, Big East and A10 when it comes to hoops.

That being said, we are all trying to best position ourselves for a P5 invitation, I think the programs that believe basketball is irrelevant when being considered for P5 expansion, especially to a conference like the ACC or Big 12 with their basketball history are making a big mistake. Also if our fans and commissioner want to position the AAC as a power conference they need more to make their case than just football.

Not really. Football is pretty much all that matters.

(01-06-2016 01:21 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 12:24 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 11:58 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I think the problem with this conference is that too many programs in this league aren’t really committed to basketball. They may say they are, they may like the idea of it, but the actions aren’t there to back it up.

Look at the scheduling for at least half of the teams in this conference, it’s horrible. I don’t mean to call anyone’s baby ugly but I feel like too many AD’s and coaches are content with scheduling a cupcake OOC so at the end of the year they have their 15 wins and can tell the fans and alumni “we are making progress, we are only a player or two away from contending” when in reality that can’t be further from the truth. With that mindset they never really have to address the real situation.

Conferences like the Big East and the A10 schedule tough because basketball is their focus, I feel like for most of the programs here it’s an afterthought. Most of the fans of the schools in the AAC would never stand for the level of OOC scheduling quality of basketball opponents for their football program, why tolerate it so willingly in basketball?

Then fans get mad when the “experts” say that the conference is weak and only a 1 or 2 bid league. In basketball you’re voted into the post season based on your overall body of work (unless you get the auto bid) and 2/3 of your schedule is set for you by the conference. The AAC needs to get to the point where more than a handful of conference games matter and that’s only done by everyone scheduling OOC games that matter. This conference will only become a power conference (4 - 5 bid league) in basketball when everyone top to bottom becomes committed to basketball and it starts with OOC scheduling.

I just think that some programs have fully realized that from image, income, worth, or importance perspectives hoops is a distant second to football. That's happened while the college basketball game and surroundings have become a cesspool of handlers and hangers-on with their hand out. Rightly or wrongly, it's viewed as a dirty process.

Even for a college basketball lover like me, with the obvious higher value and interest level in football I fully understand where many ADs are investing.

I don’t disagree with a word you say, especially when it comes to handlers, recruiting and the whole AAU thing, however people shouldn’t be shocked or offended to see the AAC behind the P5, Big East and A10 when it comes to hoops.

That being said, we are all trying to best position ourselves for a P5 invitation, I think the programs that believe basketball is irrelevant when being considered for P5 expansion, especially to a conference like the ACC or Big 12 with their basketball history are making a big mistake. Also if our fans and commissioner want to position the AAC as a power conference they need more to make their case than just football.

I think anyone that follows recruiting knows that we're bringing in high level talent.

We can compete with the best. The issue you're alluding to is structural, and a result of the growing pains of graduating certain programs.

It involves coaching and scheduling; two entities that haven't been upgraded from former conferences.

Once that works itself out, so will the RPI.

As for what's going on at UC, UConn, and Memphis... We all know it's not for lack of talent either. Call it chemistry.. coaching (Pastner).. whatever.. but there are ways of dealing with that as well.

As for SMU... They should be ranked even higher, and it's laughable that they can't compete in the NCAAs this year.

I really don't believe there is an issue with not taking basketball seriously. It just needs to gell/mature like football did.

The AAC basketball conference is currently a MESS right now...

SMU is a good team, but banned.

UConn is struggling, Cincy is inconsistent, Memphis is average,

Temple is down, Tulsa is mediocre, and Houston is winning but that schedule ugh!

Tulane, ECU, UCF, USF are just awful - their schedules and RPI are so bad, that if they knock off any of the top half programs in conference play, it hurts everyone.

This will be a two bid conference again.

Memphis needs to beat somebody good...

we have @UConn, Temple, and @Cincy this month...go win some damn games, Tigers!

(01-06-2016 10:03 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Fire Lebo and Conroy (hopefully those ADs are more than just concerned about football).

I am positive that a man who built his career at Northern Iowa is not going to neglect men's hoops.

Barring a very dramatic improvement in the next 2 months, Conroy is halfway through his last season at Tulane.

(01-06-2016 03:38 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 10:03 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Fire Lebo and Conroy (hopefully those ADs are more than just concerned about football).

I am positive that a man who built his career at Northern Iowa is not going to neglect men's hoops.

Barring a very dramatic improvement in the next 2 months, Conroy is halfway through his last season at Tulane.

TULANE has really been out striding the ECU Pirates as of late. You both hired baseball and football coaches at the same time (advantage Tulane there... Fritz was a home run) and Tulane's new AD has the pedigree to really make a significant improvement to basketball.



OTOH, Compher's only hope for a successful basketball program is if Lebo turns into a Unicorn and starts tipping their players shots in the cylinder with his horn. lmao.

(01-06-2016 11:46 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 10:50 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Who cares. Id rather watch the happy cat kitty litter bowl anyway. Maybe june was right about spring college football

NFL needs a spring/summer league SO bad...and yeah, I know about NFL Europe...and Europe was the problem there.

8 teams, mostly southern cities with city built stadiums...

Memphis (Liberty Bowl)
Birmingham (Legion Field)
Little Rock (War Memorial)
Orlando (Citrus Bowl)
San Antonio (Alamo Dome)
Mobile (Ladd Peebles Stadium)
Shreveport (Independence Stadium)
Las Vegas (Sam Boyd Stadium)

4 team playoff for the the title.

46 players per team (44 + punter, kicker) 8-9 million dollar salary pool per team.

Undrafted rookies, unrestricted free agents, CFL, AFL players, cut practice squad guys...it would be great

Aren't they starting a spring/summer league next year? I swear I read something about that

I think he may be right this year. SMU can't go, Memphis looks to be down from normal. Cincy and Temple ....who knows maybe one or the other can get hot.

Temple's only shot is the auto bid

Plot twist: Lebo leads ECU to a tournament championship and the autobid! Granted that mY be the only thing to keep his job...


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Tulsa had double digit winning streaks after poor starts the last 2 years. If they can duplicate that this year they might have a shot at the tourney. We'll see how things play out.

(01-06-2016 10:03 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Fire Lebo and Conroy (hopefully those ADs are more than just concerned about football). Probably fire Jones too (another new AD). Pastner, definitely.

Beyond that, let the chips fall. It's not a talent issue. It's not a brand issue. We're going through a maturation.

Let the season play out.

Beyond that, I'm cheering for SMU to keep making a statement this season. That's a great team.

Don't know how you could want Ruff at ECU but want to fire Lebo. Relatively their levels of success at ECU are quite similar, decent compared to average ECU teams over history.

Just as bad to fire a coach missing four players he expected to be available during the summer. 2 starters and 2 more role players

(01-06-2016 03:52 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 03:38 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 10:03 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Fire Lebo and Conroy (hopefully those ADs are more than just concerned about football).

I am positive that a man who built his career at Northern Iowa is not going to neglect men's hoops.

Barring a very dramatic improvement in the next 2 months, Conroy is halfway through his last season at Tulane.

TULANE has really been out striding the ECU Pirates as of late. You both hired baseball and football coaches at the same time (advantage Tulane there... Fritz was a home run) and Tulane's new AD has the pedigree to really make a significant improvement to basketball.



OTOH, Compher's only hope for a successful basketball program is if Lebo turns into a Unicorn and starts tipping their players shots in the cylinder with his horn. lmao.

I'll take Cliff Godwin any day of the week.