(12-13-2015 07:52 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:36 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:09 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Wow...

You know what? I don't need to "rationalize" that Mick is a successful coach. He IS a successful coach and the stats show it. Remind me, who won the conference in 2013-2014, when Louisville was still in it? Remind me, how many consecutive NCAA tournaments have we been to?

It seems to me that the ones doing the "rationalizing" are the ones who are after Mick.

THEY should be grateful that we have Mick Cronin instead of Tony Yates leading this program. He's doing fine.

So the way to feel better about the general 'meh' state of our basketball team is to contrast it against one of the worst stretches of our program?

I'll never understand the voodoo that Mick has placed on fans of his. 1 SS berth in a DECADE, yet this is hunky dory for so many.

Anywho, that's a dead horse. The state of the program is fairly consistent. We manage to beat the teams we should, and lose to anyone who's better than us (typically), and we do nothing in the post season. I mean, at this point it just is what it is. Hopefully we get the chance for a good OOC win against ISU. Otherwise, idk when/ how we impress the committee and score a nice seed for the Dance.

In the meantime, what i wouldn't give to have an enjoyable experience watching us play.



mc

I'm not really a basketball fan so I'm not qualified to fairly evaluate the job Mick has done. But it is interesting to read your views on Mick while at the same time being such a staunch Tuberville supporter.

(12-13-2015 08:05 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 07:52 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:36 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:09 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Wow...

You know what? I don't need to "rationalize" that Mick is a successful coach. He IS a successful coach and the stats show it. Remind me, who won the conference in 2013-2014, when Louisville was still in it? Remind me, how many consecutive NCAA tournaments have we been to?

It seems to me that the ones doing the "rationalizing" are the ones who are after Mick.

THEY should be grateful that we have Mick Cronin instead of Tony Yates leading this program. He's doing fine.

So the way to feel better about the general 'meh' state of our basketball team is to contrast it against one of the worst stretches of our program?

I'll never understand the voodoo that Mick has placed on fans of his. 1 SS berth in a DECADE, yet this is hunky dory for so many.

Anywho, that's a dead horse. The state of the program is fairly consistent. We manage to beat the teams we should, and lose to anyone who's better than us (typically), and we do nothing in the post season. I mean, at this point it just is what it is. Hopefully we get the chance for a good OOC win against ISU. Otherwise, idk when/ how we impress the committee and score a nice seed for the Dance.

In the meantime, what i wouldn't give to have an enjoyable experience watching us play.



mc

I'm not really a basketball fan so I'm not qualified to fairly evaluate the job Mick has done. But it is interesting to read your views on Mick while at the same time being such a staunch Tuberville supporter.

Because you have to love or hate both coaches at the same time... Riiiiggghhhttt.

Hint: they're two different people, even if you don't see them in the same room at the same time.

(12-13-2015 08:20 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 08:05 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 07:52 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:36 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:09 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Wow...

You know what? I don't need to "rationalize" that Mick is a successful coach. He IS a successful coach and the stats show it. Remind me, who won the conference in 2013-2014, when Louisville was still in it? Remind me, how many consecutive NCAA tournaments have we been to?

It seems to me that the ones doing the "rationalizing" are the ones who are after Mick.

THEY should be grateful that we have Mick Cronin instead of Tony Yates leading this program. He's doing fine.

So the way to feel better about the general 'meh' state of our basketball team is to contrast it against one of the worst stretches of our program?

I'll never understand the voodoo that Mick has placed on fans of his. 1 SS berth in a DECADE, yet this is hunky dory for so many.

Anywho, that's a dead horse. The state of the program is fairly consistent. We manage to beat the teams we should, and lose to anyone who's better than us (typically), and we do nothing in the post season. I mean, at this point it just is what it is. Hopefully we get the chance for a good OOC win against ISU. Otherwise, idk when/ how we impress the committee and score a nice seed for the Dance.

In the meantime, what i wouldn't give to have an enjoyable experience watching us play.



mc

I'm not really a basketball fan so I'm not qualified to fairly evaluate the job Mick has done. But it is interesting to read your views on Mick while at the same time being such a staunch Tuberville supporter.

Because you have to love or hate both coaches at the same time... Riiiiggghhhttt.

Would never suggest this is the case. It seems to me that Mick inherited a mess and has actually accomplished a few things here even though he hasn't really won big. Tuberville hasn't accomplished really anything to date at UC. Just interesting the disparate view of the two is all.

(12-13-2015 07:52 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  I'll never understand the voodoo that Mick has placed on fans of his. 1 SS berth in a DECADE, yet this is hunky dory for so many.

How many Sweet Sixteens did beloved Huggy Bear have in his final 10 yrs at UC?

(12-14-2015 12:42 AM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 07:52 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  I'll never understand the voodoo that Mick has placed on fans of his. 1 SS berth in a DECADE, yet this is hunky dory for so many.

How many Sweet Sixteens did beloved Huggy Bear have in his final 10 yrs at UC?

I hate it when someone throws out Huggs in order to defend Mick. One coach really has nothing to do with the other and there is no reason to bring up the comparison.

but sense you are counting we both know the answer is one. However he had equity for the FF, two EE's and another Sweet Sixteen from the years before that. Huggs also won eight conference championships in his last ten years. He also had numerous wins over Top 25 opponents. Even so, like Mick, there were people ready to move on if you recall.

(12-14-2015 02:58 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:42 AM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 07:52 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  I'll never understand the voodoo that Mick has placed on fans of his. 1 SS berth in a DECADE, yet this is hunky dory for so many.

How many Sweet Sixteens did beloved Huggy Bear have in his final 10 yrs at UC?

I hate it when someone throws out Huggs in order to defend Mick. One coach really has nothing to do with the other and there is no reason to bring up the comparison.

but sense you are counting we both know the answer is one. However he had equity for the FF, two EE's and another Sweet Sixteen from the years before that. Huggs also won eight conference championships in his last ten years. He also had numerous wins over Top 25 opponents. Even so, like Mick, there were people ready to move on if you recall.

The only knock on Huggs was his tourny success. Reg season he killed it. He won big games and conf CH's. I used to be disappointed he was 8-8 vs Eggs. At this point I'd take being .500.

(12-14-2015 12:42 AM)InspectorHound Wrote:  How many Sweet Sixteens did beloved Huggy Bear have in his final 10 yrs at UC?

Cincinnati wins the National Championship if Kenyon Martin doesn't land awkwardly because of a freakin Billiken, so there's that.

(12-14-2015 08:31 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:42 AM)InspectorHound Wrote:  How many Sweet Sixteens did beloved Huggy Bear have in his final 10 yrs at UC?

Cincinnati wins the National Championship if Kenyon Martin doesn't land awkwardly because of a freakin Billiken, so there's that.

Sorry, but as much as we would all like to believe that, it is only speculation. Upsets happen all the time.

We also lost some tourney games on absolute bad luck and banked 3's.

(12-14-2015 08:31 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:42 AM)InspectorHound Wrote:  How many Sweet Sixteens did beloved Huggy Bear have in his final 10 yrs at UC?

Cincinnati wins the National Championship if Kenyon Martin doesn't land awkwardly because of a freakin Billiken, so there's that.

I never believed that would've happened.

Until someone steps up on this team to lead, we will go nowhere. I'd say it's been proven that Ellis isn't capable. Really Troy looks to be our only hope. He needs to play more 2 guard...where he can get the ball off of screens and initiate offense. I guess Jenifer seems to the be the only guy who can spell him at the point. I don't want KJ bringing the ball up the court. Cobb has too much trouble passing when guarded by longer guards. Either way I'm not sure we can hope for anything more than for a win in the first round of the tournament and hope we get lucky after that. Fifth third needs to be renovated yesterday.

(12-14-2015 11:57 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Until someone steps up on this team to lead, we will go nowhere. I'd say it's been proven that Ellis isn't capable. Really Troy looks to be our only hope. He needs to play more 2 guard...where he can get the ball off of screens and initiate offense. I guess Jenifer seems to the be the only guy who can spell him at the point. I don't want KJ bringing the ball up the court. Cobb has too much trouble passing when guarded by longer guards. Either way I'm not sure we can hope for anything more than for a win in the first round of the tournament and hope we get lucky after that. Fifth third needs to be renovated yesterday.

I thought Ellis was the one guy who brought his A game the other night. He played with a lot of intensity and played to his ability in terms of points, rebounds and block shots.

(12-14-2015 11:39 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 08:31 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:42 AM)InspectorHound Wrote:  How many Sweet Sixteens did beloved Huggy Bear have in his final 10 yrs at UC?

Cincinnati wins the National Championship if Kenyon Martin doesn't land awkwardly because of a freakin Billiken, so there's that.

I never believed that would've happened.

I mean UC was the best team that year and it wasn't that close. In a one and done type tournament the best team doesn't always win..in fact I don't think the odds are even 50% that the best team will win most years. So literally speaking you may be right, but UC certainly would have been the favorite and had the best odds.

Michigan State was really solid that year and won it. The team that gave them the most trouble was an Iowa State team that UC wipped the floor with. At full strength I have no doubt Cincinnati had the best team that year. Still the most devastating injury I can remember.

We did lose a February home game to Temple that year. We were so talented we could have walked to at least the sweet 16, probably elite 8. After that who knows what would have happened. The best team wins the tournament probably 25% of the time so I'd say we had a 25% chance to win it all. Probably 50/50 to make final 4

(12-14-2015 12:07 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  We did lose a February home game to Temple that year. We were so talented we could have walked to at least the sweet 16, probably elite 8. After that who knows what would have happened. The best team wins the tournament probably 25% of the time so I'd say we had a 25% chance to win it all. Probably 50/50 to make final 4

With Kenyon Martin on the floor, I don't think they lose. He was special in so many ways.

Hell, that team had a lot of talent, they just had zero chance to adjust.

(12-14-2015 11:59 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 11:57 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Until someone steps up on this team to lead, we will go nowhere. I'd say it's been proven that Ellis isn't capable. Really Troy looks to be our only hope. He needs to play more 2 guard...where he can get the ball off of screens and initiate offense. I guess Jenifer seems to the be the only guy who can spell him at the point. I don't want KJ bringing the ball up the court. Cobb has too much trouble passing when guarded by longer guards. Either way I'm not sure we can hope for anything more than for a win in the first round of the tournament and hope we get lucky after that. Fifth third needs to be renovated yesterday.

I thought Ellis was the one guy who brought his A game the other night. He played with a lot of intensity and played to his ability in terms of points, rebounds and block shots.

I agree. I meant more like we have to find someone who's presence on the court makes everyone else better. Someone who won't allow the team to lose....because we've never had the talent to just show up and win.

(12-14-2015 12:40 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:07 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  We did lose a February home game to Temple that year. We were so talented we could have walked to at least the sweet 16, probably elite 8. After that who knows what would have happened. The best team wins the tournament probably 25% of the time so I'd say we had a 25% chance to win it all. Probably 50/50 to make final 4

With Kenyon Martin on the floor, I don't think they lose. He was special in so many ways.

Hell, that team had a lot of talent, they just had zero chance to adjust.

K-mart was just so intimidating. There were times that year where guys would miss easy shots and layups out of the fear that he might come out of nowhere to swat the ball into the stands. Likewise, I think he gave the other guys on our team a lot of confidence in their game. They knew if they missed he would likely grab a rebound. If they made a mistake they knew he would make a play and get the ball back.

(12-14-2015 01:02 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:40 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:07 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  We did lose a February home game to Temple that year. We were so talented we could have walked to at least the sweet 16, probably elite 8. After that who knows what would have happened. The best team wins the tournament probably 25% of the time so I'd say we had a 25% chance to win it all. Probably 50/50 to make final 4

With Kenyon Martin on the floor, I don't think they lose. He was special in so many ways.

Hell, that team had a lot of talent, they just had zero chance to adjust.

K-mart was just so intimidating. There were times that year where guys would miss easy shots and layups out of the fear that he might come out of nowhere to swat the ball into the stands. Likewise, I think he gave the other guys on our team a lot of confidence in their game. They knew if they missed he would likely grab a rebound. If they made a mistake they knew he would make a play and get the ball back.

Our defense could overplay a lot up top, because if they got beat Kmart was there. On offense he would almost always make the right play and a lot of 2nd and third passes off a Martin touch turned into easy buckets. He was used for everything on both ends and was spectacular.

(12-14-2015 01:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:02 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:40 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:07 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  We did lose a February home game to Temple that year. We were so talented we could have walked to at least the sweet 16, probably elite 8. After that who knows what would have happened. The best team wins the tournament probably 25% of the time so I'd say we had a 25% chance to win it all. Probably 50/50 to make final 4

With Kenyon Martin on the floor, I don't think they lose. He was special in so many ways.

Hell, that team had a lot of talent, they just had zero chance to adjust.

K-mart was just so intimidating. There were times that year where guys would miss easy shots and layups out of the fear that he might come out of nowhere to swat the ball into the stands. Likewise, I think he gave the other guys on our team a lot of confidence in their game. They knew if they missed he would likely grab a rebound. If they made a mistake they knew he would make a play and get the ball back.

Our defense could overplay a lot up top, because if they got beat Kmart was there. On offense he would almost always make the right play and a lot of 2nd and third passes off a Martin touch turned into easy buckets. He was used for everything on both ends and was spectacular.

My buddy is a diehard UK fan and he said, UC wins the title that season with K-Mart. That team was so good.

(12-14-2015 12:40 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:07 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  We did lose a February home game to Temple that year. We were so talented we could have walked to at least the sweet 16, probably elite 8. After that who knows what would have happened. The best team wins the tournament probably 25% of the time so I'd say we had a 25% chance to win it all. Probably 50/50 to make final 4

With Kenyon Martin on the floor, I don't think they lose. He was special in so many ways.

Hell, that team had a lot of talent, they just had zero chance to adjust.

Even without Kenyon, I still think they had enough that they should have beaten Tulsa.