The Ohio State DC

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-o...ncaaf.html

Sigh...Schiano's main talent is recruitment, and Rutgers hired a coach with no Jersey ties.

No Joyyyzee ties? :)

I can see Schiano pumping up the D, getting them going 100% all the time. He's a co-DC, so I wonder how much they're paying both. Of course, I'm sure Ohio State has enough money to pay them both a decent-above-avg amount for a DC.

Greg Schiano is an excellent defensive coach. He won't be a co-coordinator; he will run the tOSU defense. He obviously does have recruiting pipelines in New Jersey and Florida. But he does have a rep as NOT being a players coach since his Tampa Bay HC tenure. His pro coaching style was not only noted by the South Florida and NJ media, it made national news. He will make his players better, but this isn't 2001 when he was an unknown assistant. It is a good hire by tOSU, but the recruiting factor may be a tad overrated.

Schiano benefited from stability coaching at Rutgers for a decade and that Temple was down in the gutter without a conference right around the time he rebuilt Rutgers.

(12-11-2015 10:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Schiano benefited from stability coaching at Rutgers for a decade and that Temple was down in the gutter without a conference right around the time he rebuilt Rutgers.

As a South Jersey Rutgers alumnus, I'll phrase this in the most polite manner I can. When Penn State joined the Big 10, they lost their stranglehold on the Northeast and became in effect a Midwestern school. Temple had no stadium control, facilities and leadership to improve their program. Rutgers did and was able to take advantage of that window of opportunity.

Well said, Mike. And as a PSU fan, I'll mention Franklin's deliberate "message" that he's trying to send in his tenure. New Jersey and Maryland are PSU's territory. He's done a bang-up job, so far. We'll see if it continues or if Rutgers can grab more elite guys under Ash. I can think of Hamilton (DE), Savon Huggins (RB), and an elite OT which Rutgers kept at home under Flood's tenure...whom PSU really wanted.

The Schiano hire is why OSU is the tops in the Big Ten. Their staff is elite. They lose a blue-chip coordinator and his an even bluer-chip one!

I really like Schiano and glad to see he's back coaching defense again. Part of me was hoping he'd return to the Banks of the ol Raritan!

Ohio State already has several recruiting specialists on staff. One of them is Kerry Coombs, a former Cincinnati-area high school coach and former UC DB coach. He's a great recruiter but a horrible coach - in his time here the DBs were the worst unit on our team by far. Eventually we downgraded him to be just the cornerbacks coach and "associate head coach." The AHC position was just something to help sell recruits.

Also, Ohio has so much homegrown talent that they don't have to tap into the relatively weak New Jersey recruiting scene. OSU currently has 70 Ohio kids and 5 NJ kids on the roster. And if anything, Urban has redirected them to look South for talent.

All-in-all, I think this hire is due to his coaching skills, not his recruiting skills.

(12-12-2015 01:46 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Ohio State already has several recruiting specialists on staff. One of them is Kerry Coombs, a former Cincinnati-area high school coach and former UC DB coach. He's a great recruiter but a horrible coach - in his time here the DBs were the worst unit on our team by far. Eventually we downgraded him to be just the cornerbacks coach and "associate head coach." The AHC position was just something to help sell recruits.

Also, Ohio has so much homegrown talent that they don't have to tap into the relatively weak New Jersey recruiting scene. OSU currently has 70 Ohio kids and 5 NJ kids on the roster. And if anything, Urban has redirected them to look South for talent.

All-in-all, I think this hire is due to his coaching skills, not his recruiting skills.

NJ is NOT a weak recruiting scene.

(12-12-2015 01:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:46 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Ohio State already has several recruiting specialists on staff. One of them is Kerry Coombs, a former Cincinnati-area high school coach and former UC DB coach. He's a great recruiter but a horrible coach - in his time here the DBs were the worst unit on our team by far. Eventually we downgraded him to be just the cornerbacks coach and "associate head coach." The AHC position was just something to help sell recruits.

Also, Ohio has so much homegrown talent that they don't have to tap into the relatively weak New Jersey recruiting scene. OSU currently has 70 Ohio kids and 5 NJ kids on the roster. And if anything, Urban has redirected them to look South for talent.

All-in-all, I think this hire is due to his coaching skills, not his recruiting skills.

NJ is NOT a weak recruiting scene.

NJ is a top 8 football talent producing state, its not as deep as Ohio certainly, but its deep.

(12-12-2015 04:17 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:46 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Ohio State already has several recruiting specialists on staff. One of them is Kerry Coombs, a former Cincinnati-area high school coach and former UC DB coach. He's a great recruiter but a horrible coach - in his time here the DBs were the worst unit on our team by far. Eventually we downgraded him to be just the cornerbacks coach and "associate head coach." The AHC position was just something to help sell recruits.

Also, Ohio has so much homegrown talent that they don't have to tap into the relatively weak New Jersey recruiting scene. OSU currently has 70 Ohio kids and 5 NJ kids on the roster. And if anything, Urban has redirected them to look South for talent.

All-in-all, I think this hire is due to his coaching skills, not his recruiting skills.

NJ is NOT a weak recruiting scene.

NJ is a top 8 football talent producing state, its not as deep as Ohio certainly, but its deep.

Exactly, ask Penn State, Nebraska and Wisconsin how weak NJ recruiting is.

(12-12-2015 04:42 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 04:17 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:46 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Ohio State already has several recruiting specialists on staff. One of them is Kerry Coombs, a former Cincinnati-area high school coach and former UC DB coach. He's a great recruiter but a horrible coach - in his time here the DBs were the worst unit on our team by far. Eventually we downgraded him to be just the cornerbacks coach and "associate head coach." The AHC position was just something to help sell recruits.

Also, Ohio has so much homegrown talent that they don't have to tap into the relatively weak New Jersey recruiting scene. OSU currently has 70 Ohio kids and 5 NJ kids on the roster. And if anything, Urban has redirected them to look South for talent.

All-in-all, I think this hire is due to his coaching skills, not his recruiting skills.

NJ is NOT a weak recruiting scene.

NJ is a top 8 football talent producing state, its not as deep as Ohio certainly, but its deep.

Exactly, ask Penn State, Nebraska and Wisconsin how weak NJ recruiting is.

I said "relatively weak." That means "weak compared to Ohio." NJ is pretty good for a midsized state, but it's still a midsized state. It's not big enough for a school 500 miles away to bother hiring a guy because of his recruiting connections there (unless that school is in a recruiting wasteland like West Virginia or Boston College).


Ohio #5 with 78 NFL players, NJ # 10 with 52:
http://usatodayhss.com/2015/which-state-...fl-players

Rivals 3 star and above players for 2016:
Ohio: 71 players
New Jersey: 34 players

If someone can recruit one state they can recruit anywhere. Each state doesn't have it's own secret handshake. Schiano is a known commodity in the football world, and since he hasn't been a college assistant coach in 15 years he isn't being hired for his NJ recruiting ties because head coaches aren't out there doing the dirty work, they are closing the deals.

(12-11-2015 10:27 PM)RutgersMike Wrote:  Greg Schiano is an excellent defensive coach. He won't be a co-coordinator; he will run the tOSU defense. He obviously does have recruiting pipelines in New Jersey and Florida. But he does have a rep as NOT being a players coach since his Tampa Bay HC tenure. His pro coaching style was not only noted by the South Florida and NJ media, it made national news. He will make his players better, but this isn't 2001 when he was an unknown assistant. It is a good hire by tOSU, but the recruiting factor may be a tad overrated.

Well as long as he can just be a coordinator, then he doesn't really need to interact with the players. He can leave that to the position coaches. He can just tell those coaches what he needs for his system, who is catching his eye, who is screwing up, etc.

(12-12-2015 10:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If someone can recruit one state they can recruit anywhere. Each state doesn't have it's own secret handshake. Schiano is a known commodity in the football world, and since he hasn't been a college assistant coach in 15 years he isn't being hired for his NJ recruiting ties because head coaches aren't out there doing the dirty work, they are closing the deals.

What nonsense.

Different regions of the country have completely different cultures, feels, traditions, etc. Having someone who "knows" or grew up in that part of the country makes that coach instantly more relatable to people in that region.


College football is, and should be, a regional affair.

(12-13-2015 11:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If someone can recruit one state they can recruit anywhere. Each state doesn't have it's own secret handshake. Schiano is a known commodity in the football world, and since he hasn't been a college assistant coach in 15 years he isn't being hired for his NJ recruiting ties because head coaches aren't out there doing the dirty work, they are closing the deals.

What nonsense.

Different regions of the country have completely different cultures, feels, traditions, etc. Having someone who "knows" or grew up in that part of the country makes that coach instantly more relatable to people in that region.


College football is, and should be, a regional affair.

Yeah, OK. Whatever dude.

Recruiting is sales. If you can sell a car in Valdosta, GA you are going to be able to sell a car in Oak Park, IN or Cutler, CA. It's the same thing with recruiting. The kids are kids and the parents are parents.

(12-13-2015 11:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 11:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If someone can recruit one state they can recruit anywhere. Each state doesn't have it's own secret handshake. Schiano is a known commodity in the football world, and since he hasn't been a college assistant coach in 15 years he isn't being hired for his NJ recruiting ties because head coaches aren't out there doing the dirty work, they are closing the deals.

What nonsense.

Different regions of the country have completely different cultures, feels, traditions, etc. Having someone who "knows" or grew up in that part of the country makes that coach instantly more relatable to people in that region.


College football is, and should be, a regional affair.

Yeah, OK. Whatever dude.

Recruiting is sales. If you can sell a car in Valdosta, GA you are going to be able to sell a car in Oak Park, IN or Cutler, CA. It's the same thing with recruiting. The kids are kids and the parents are parents.

Then a robot could do equally as well.

Just print out a few pages with pictures of the facilities, history of the program, projected playing time for the recruit, etc.


Programs largely sell themselves, to an extent. The "secret sauce" in getting this kid or that kid, who you really want, is being able to relate to the kid and his parents/guardians.

So in walks some guy with a northern or eastern accent into a southern, cornbread home .... you get instant distrust from the parents.

(12-13-2015 12:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 11:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 11:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If someone can recruit one state they can recruit anywhere. Each state doesn't have it's own secret handshake. Schiano is a known commodity in the football world, and since he hasn't been a college assistant coach in 15 years he isn't being hired for his NJ recruiting ties because head coaches aren't out there doing the dirty work, they are closing the deals.

What nonsense.

Different regions of the country have completely different cultures, feels, traditions, etc. Having someone who "knows" or grew up in that part of the country makes that coach instantly more relatable to people in that region.


College football is, and should be, a regional affair.

Yeah, OK. Whatever dude.

Recruiting is sales. If you can sell a car in Valdosta, GA you are going to be able to sell a car in Oak Park, IN or Cutler, CA. It's the same thing with recruiting. The kids are kids and the parents are parents.

Then a robot could do equally as well.

I guess. Except for the human side of things.

Quote:Just print out a few pages with pictures of the facilities, history of the program, projected playing time for the recruit, etc.

You are wasting your time because when you get to the point of having in-home visits the kid already knows all of that. That might have been a key part of recruiting back in the 60's/70's/80's but in the internet age kids and parents have that information (and much more) at their fingertips.

Quote:Programs largely sell themselves, to an extent. The "secret sauce" in getting this kid or that kid, who you really want, is being able to relate to the kid and his parents/guardians.

So in walks some guy with a northern or eastern accent into a southern, cornbread home .... you get instant distrust from the parents.

Yes because Urban Meyer had a ton of trouble recruiting when he was at Florida with his Ohio accent, Les Miles has struggled at LSU, Dan Mullen has struggled recruiting at Mississippi State, James Franklin struggled at Vanderbilt, Mark Stoops has struggled at Kentucky, Al Golden struggled recruiting while at Miami, and Butch Jones has struggled at Tennessee.

On the flip side Ken Hatfield and Tommy West were as southern as it gets and they couldn't recruit worth a lick while at Clemson. It doesn't get any more southern than Steve Spurrier's east Tennessee drawl yet his biggest downfall at South Carolina was horrible recruiting the past four or five years.

Again, recruiting is sales, specifically knowing how to tailor your message to the customer in front of you. If you are effective selling your product in one region you'll be successful no matter where you go.

(12-13-2015 01:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 12:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 11:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 11:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If someone can recruit one state they can recruit anywhere. Each state doesn't have it's own secret handshake. Schiano is a known commodity in the football world, and since he hasn't been a college assistant coach in 15 years he isn't being hired for his NJ recruiting ties because head coaches aren't out there doing the dirty work, they are closing the deals.

What nonsense.

Different regions of the country have completely different cultures, feels, traditions, etc. Having someone who "knows" or grew up in that part of the country makes that coach instantly more relatable to people in that region.


College football is, and should be, a regional affair.

Yeah, OK. Whatever dude.

Recruiting is sales. If you can sell a car in Valdosta, GA you are going to be able to sell a car in Oak Park, IN or Cutler, CA. It's the same thing with recruiting. The kids are kids and the parents are parents.

Then a robot could do equally as well.

I guess. Except for the human side of things.

Quote:Just print out a few pages with pictures of the facilities, history of the program, projected playing time for the recruit, etc.

You are wasting your time because when you get to the point of having in-home visits the kid already knows all of that. That might have been a key part of recruiting back in the 60's/70's/80's but in the internet age kids and parents have that information (and much more) at their fingertips.

Quote:Programs largely sell themselves, to an extent. The "secret sauce" in getting this kid or that kid, who you really want, is being able to relate to the kid and his parents/guardians.

So in walks some guy with a northern or eastern accent into a southern, cornbread home .... you get instant distrust from the parents.

Yes because Urban Meyer had a ton of trouble recruiting when he was at Florida with his Ohio accent, Les Miles has struggled at LSU, Dan Mullen has struggled recruiting at Mississippi State, James Franklin struggled at Vanderbilt, Mark Stoops has struggled at Kentucky, Al Golden struggled recruiting while at Miami, and Butch Jones has struggled at Tennessee.

On the flip side Ken Hatfield and Tommy West were as southern as it gets and they couldn't recruit worth a lick while at Clemson. It doesn't get any more southern than Steve Spurrier's east Tennessee drawl yet his biggest downfall at South Carolina was horrible recruiting the past four or five years.

Again, recruiting is sales, specifically knowing how to tailor your message to the customer in front of you. If you are effective selling your product in one region you'll be successful no matter where you go.

False. Tim Brewster Minnesota.