bottom line no one can argue is head to head play, App beat GS, Ark St beat App, at this moment, App is better than GS, Ark St is better than App, people can try to justify their position by using excuses such as injuries, or our OL has really come togeather since our last loss, etc. If Ark St wins its last 2 games, they are the best team in the conference, lets give them their respect, they went out and got the job done, while App and GS fell short.

(11-17-2015 10:06 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:59 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:48 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:20 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Can't wait until SBC has a championship game! End this debate for once

The argument would take a different form...

2014: By the end of the season App State was the best team but earlier losses kept them from going to the championship. App would beat both teams in the championship game if they played them again.

2015: Troy 2015 = App State 2014. Teams should now fear them as they have beaten ULM and NMSU and have the best defense in the Sun Belt. If they played USA again they would beat them by at least two touchdowns. If they played Idaho again they would win. Georgia Southern should worry about that game. Oh wait, we heard that one before.

The argument wouldn't go away, but teams not in the championship game would say that the teams that are in the championship game aren't the best. Maybe it's that the "second best" team was from the same division or another reeled off 6 wins to end the season and wasn't in the game... The argument would just be in a different form.

I believe 2015 is more like this:

2015: App St beats GS, Ark St beats App St, but the South Georgia Peach, Peanut, Watermellon Sports Computer says that GA So is 35 points better than App St and 34 points better than Ark St so we will beat either by 5 touchdowns therefore we should get the championship. Beat chest, brag GATA beat chest. If you don't believe us we will scream louder than everyone else.

If you look back through this thread you will find 99.9% of GS fans saying we are 2nd or 3rd in the power rankings so I can't for the life of me figure out what you are so butt-hurt about.

Actually, of the 11 GS fans that have responded in this thread, only 6 are saying GS is 2nd or 3rd. The other half have either outright said GS should be at least tied for number 1, or argued in favor of someone arguing that.

Hyperbole aside, our friend from Mobile is pretty accurate. The fan base's reputation is earned, not made up.

(11-17-2015 10:11 AM)kb325 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 08:34 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Phil Steele http://philsteele.com/fbsinfo/2015/15powerratings.html

Power ratings are a big fat joke. Now would I throw them out there if GaSo was undefeated in the SBC and stAte had a loss but higher Power rating...maybe...but probably not. The Power Ratings do not say which team is better...it just shows who to this point has had a tougher schedule etc.

Now if a GaSo fan thinks these ratings are proof that they are the best team in the SBC...better look where Clemson is positioned in the ACC...same with some other teams of note in their respective conferences.

The problem with computer power rankings is they all START with an assumption and extrapolate from there. There are no "numbers" until someone makes up the numbers. YPG, YPD, Total defense... these are all numbers, but you have to look at them through a lens of assumption: "YPG against Team X, who I believe is a great team because Y." That's why, broadly speaking, they're a joke, and why no computer model can predict games with a better than 60-something% accuracy in any given season, if that. On top of that, they also tend to be preferential to their own previous rankings. If a team is playing really well, then suddenly starts getting hammered by terrible teams, it can take a LONG time to correct for that. The inverse is also true: A team that starts out with a bad loss, then starts playing really well, very likely won't get it's due.

Human rankings start with an assumption, but they apply logic. They also can apply bias, but at least that bias is obvious in many cases. Computer rankings are a tool to use when making your ranking, not a ranking in and of themselves.

Send your complaints to Jeff Sagarin and Phil Steele.

Besides, most last year were putting a 6-2 App ahead of an 8-0 GS despite losing the head to head by 20 points and not being ahead in any computer rankings. I don't see why GS being in a tie for he top 3 is a big deal considering this.

What happens if we beat UGA? Do we still have to rank Ark St #1 in the power rankings since they don't have a loss in the Sun Belt?

Plus don't most teams have a bad game every season? Ark St laid an egg vs Toledo and GS did the same against App.

I'm fine with us being number three, especially since this isn't even an "official" blog post/website power ranking but a DISCUSSION about people's OPINIONS of what the power ranking should be. If you take head to head out of it, the argument for App and/or GS being equal to or above stAte is probably due to OOC, I'm sure that's what the computers and GS posters are seizing on.

App
0-1 P5 (road)
2-0 G5 (one home, one away)
1-0 FCS

GS
0-1 P5 (road, one left to play)
1-0 G5 (home)
1-0 FCS

stAte
0-2 P5 (one home, one road)
0-1 G5 (road)
1-0 FCS

(11-17-2015 10:34 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  What happens if we beat UGA? Do we still have to rank Ark St #1 in the power rankings since they don't have a loss in the Sun Belt?

Plus don't most teams have a bad game every season? Ark St laid an egg vs Toledo and GS did the same against App.

If you beat UGA, I'll put you at the top of the power rankings and buy you dinner.

stAte will probably still win the Belt, but you can insist on an asterisk of equal weight to that applied to your championship last year.

(11-17-2015 10:21 AM)Paraprosdokian Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:06 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:59 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:48 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:20 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Can't wait until SBC has a championship game! End this debate for once

The argument would take a different form...

2014: By the end of the season App State was the best team but earlier losses kept them from going to the championship. App would beat both teams in the championship game if they played them again.

2015: Troy 2015 = App State 2014. Teams should now fear them as they have beaten ULM and NMSU and have the best defense in the Sun Belt. If they played USA again they would beat them by at least two touchdowns. If they played Idaho again they would win. Georgia Southern should worry about that game. Oh wait, we heard that one before.

The argument wouldn't go away, but teams not in the championship game would say that the teams that are in the championship game aren't the best. Maybe it's that the "second best" team was from the same division or another reeled off 6 wins to end the season and wasn't in the game... The argument would just be in a different form.

I believe 2015 is more like this:

2015: App St beats GS, Ark St beats App St, but the South Georgia Peach, Peanut, Watermellon Sports Computer says that GA So is 35 points better than App St and 34 points better than Ark St so we will beat either by 5 touchdowns therefore we should get the championship. Beat chest, brag GATA beat chest. If you don't believe us we will scream louder than everyone else.

If you look back through this thread you will find 99.9% of GS fans saying we are 2nd or 3rd in the power rankings so I can't for the life of me figure out what you are so butt-hurt about.

Actually, of the 11 GS fans that have responded in this thread, only 6 are saying GS is 2nd or 3rd. The other half have either outright said GS should be at least tied for number 1, or argued in favor of someone arguing that.

Hyperbole aside, our friend from Mobile is pretty accurate. The fan base's reputation is earned, not made up.

Actually of the GS fans responding only the following provided a clue as to where they thought we should rank:
2 eaglewraith
T1 GSUEagles
2 topate50
3 TrueBlueDrew
T1? EigenEagle agreed that GSUEagles was probably correct
2 gseagles
3 Georgia_Power_Company
3 TrueBlueAlum
3 LoyalEagle
3 JCGSU

so I will correct my statement to say 80% of the GS fans outright said we were 2nd or 3rd so I still don't see the need to be so butt-hurt about it. We do have some fans that are a little out there I will give you that. Maybe at least we won't do the childish *did not play GS crap to stAte if they win out.

(11-17-2015 10:47 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:21 AM)Paraprosdokian Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:06 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:59 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:48 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  The argument would take a different form...

2014: By the end of the season App State was the best team but earlier losses kept them from going to the championship. App would beat both teams in the championship game if they played them again.

2015: Troy 2015 = App State 2014. Teams should now fear them as they have beaten ULM and NMSU and have the best defense in the Sun Belt. If they played USA again they would beat them by at least two touchdowns. If they played Idaho again they would win. Georgia Southern should worry about that game. Oh wait, we heard that one before.

The argument wouldn't go away, but teams not in the championship game would say that the teams that are in the championship game aren't the best. Maybe it's that the "second best" team was from the same division or another reeled off 6 wins to end the season and wasn't in the game... The argument would just be in a different form.

I believe 2015 is more like this:

2015: App St beats GS, Ark St beats App St, but the South Georgia Peach, Peanut, Watermellon Sports Computer says that GA So is 35 points better than App St and 34 points better than Ark St so we will beat either by 5 touchdowns therefore we should get the championship. Beat chest, brag GATA beat chest. If you don't believe us we will scream louder than everyone else.

If you look back through this thread you will find 99.9% of GS fans saying we are 2nd or 3rd in the power rankings so I can't for the life of me figure out what you are so butt-hurt about.

Actually, of the 11 GS fans that have responded in this thread, only 6 are saying GS is 2nd or 3rd. The other half have either outright said GS should be at least tied for number 1, or argued in favor of someone arguing that.

Hyperbole aside, our friend from Mobile is pretty accurate. The fan base's reputation is earned, not made up.

Actually of the GS fans responding only the following provided a clue as to where they thought we should rank:
2 eaglewraith
T1 GSUEagles
2 topate50
3 TrueBlueDrew
T1? EigenEagle agreed that GSUEagles was probably correct
2 gseagles
3 Georgia_Power_Company
3 TrueBlueAlum
3 LoyalEagle
3 JCGSU

so I will correct my statement to say 80% of the GS fans outright said we were 2nd or 3rd so I still don't see the need to be so butt-hurt about it. We do have some fans that are a little out there I will give you that. Maybe at least we won't do the childish *did not play GS crap to stAte if they win out.

Haha, shows how ridiculous those that get upset are. Even I ranked Ark St in a tie for first which is more generous than Phil Steele, ESPN,Massey composite etc.

(11-17-2015 10:47 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:21 AM)Paraprosdokian Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:06 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:59 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:48 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  The argument would take a different form...

2014: By the end of the season App State was the best team but earlier losses kept them from going to the championship. App would beat both teams in the championship game if they played them again.

2015: Troy 2015 = App State 2014. Teams should now fear them as they have beaten ULM and NMSU and have the best defense in the Sun Belt. If they played USA again they would beat them by at least two touchdowns. If they played Idaho again they would win. Georgia Southern should worry about that game. Oh wait, we heard that one before.

The argument wouldn't go away, but teams not in the championship game would say that the teams that are in the championship game aren't the best. Maybe it's that the "second best" team was from the same division or another reeled off 6 wins to end the season and wasn't in the game... The argument would just be in a different form.

I believe 2015 is more like this:

2015: App St beats GS, Ark St beats App St, but the South Georgia Peach, Peanut, Watermellon Sports Computer says that GA So is 35 points better than App St and 34 points better than Ark St so we will beat either by 5 touchdowns therefore we should get the championship. Beat chest, brag GATA beat chest. If you don't believe us we will scream louder than everyone else.

If you look back through this thread you will find 99.9% of GS fans saying we are 2nd or 3rd in the power rankings so I can't for the life of me figure out what you are so butt-hurt about.

Actually, of the 11 GS fans that have responded in this thread, only 6 are saying GS is 2nd or 3rd. The other half have either outright said GS should be at least tied for number 1, or argued in favor of someone arguing that.

Hyperbole aside, our friend from Mobile is pretty accurate. The fan base's reputation is earned, not made up.

Actually of the GS fans responding only the following provided a clue as to where they thought we should rank:
2 eaglewraith
T1 GSUEagles
2 topate50
3 TrueBlueDrew
T1? EigenEagle agreed that GSUEagles was probably correct
2 gseagles
3 Georgia_Power_Company
3 TrueBlueAlum
3 LoyalEagle
3 JCGSU

so I will correct my statement to say 80% of the GS fans outright said we were 2nd or 3rd so I still don't see the need to be so butt-hurt about it. We do have some fans that are a little out there I will give you that. Maybe at least we won't do the childish *did not play GS crap to stAte if they win out.

Haha, shows how ridiculous those that get upset are. Even I ranked Ark St in a tie for first which is more generous than Phil Steele, ESPN,Massey composite etc.

(11-17-2015 10:47 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:21 AM)Paraprosdokian Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:06 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:59 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:48 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  The argument would take a different form...

2014: By the end of the season App State was the best team but earlier losses kept them from going to the championship. App would beat both teams in the championship game if they played them again.

2015: Troy 2015 = App State 2014. Teams should now fear them as they have beaten ULM and NMSU and have the best defense in the Sun Belt. If they played USA again they would beat them by at least two touchdowns. If they played Idaho again they would win. Georgia Southern should worry about that game. Oh wait, we heard that one before.

The argument wouldn't go away, but teams not in the championship game would say that the teams that are in the championship game aren't the best. Maybe it's that the "second best" team was from the same division or another reeled off 6 wins to end the season and wasn't in the game... The argument would just be in a different form.

I believe 2015 is more like this:

2015: App St beats GS, Ark St beats App St, but the South Georgia Peach, Peanut, Watermellon Sports Computer says that GA So is 35 points better than App St and 34 points better than Ark St so we will beat either by 5 touchdowns therefore we should get the championship. Beat chest, brag GATA beat chest. If you don't believe us we will scream louder than everyone else.

If you look back through this thread you will find 99.9% of GS fans saying we are 2nd or 3rd in the power rankings so I can't for the life of me figure out what you are so butt-hurt about.

Actually, of the 11 GS fans that have responded in this thread, only 6 are saying GS is 2nd or 3rd. The other half have either outright said GS should be at least tied for number 1, or argued in favor of someone arguing that.

Hyperbole aside, our friend from Mobile is pretty accurate. The fan base's reputation is earned, not made up.

Actually of the GS fans responding only the following provided a clue as to where they thought we should rank:
2 eaglewraith
T1 GSUEagles
2 topate50
3 TrueBlueDrew
T1? EigenEagle agreed that GSUEagles was probably correct
2 gseagles
3 Georgia_Power_Company
3 TrueBlueAlum
3 LoyalEagle
3 JCGSU

so I will correct my statement to say 80% of the GS fans outright said we were 2nd or 3rd so I still don't see the need to be so butt-hurt about it. We do have some fans that are a little out there I will give you that. Maybe at least we won't do the childish *did not play GS crap to stAte if they win out.

Did you just use the term "butt hurt" and then refer to other fans as being childish?

(11-17-2015 10:55 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:47 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:21 AM)Paraprosdokian Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:06 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:59 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  I believe 2015 is more like this:

2015: App St beats GS, Ark St beats App St, but the South Georgia Peach, Peanut, Watermellon Sports Computer says that GA So is 35 points better than App St and 34 points better than Ark St so we will beat either by 5 touchdowns therefore we should get the championship. Beat chest, brag GATA beat chest. If you don't believe us we will scream louder than everyone else.

If you look back through this thread you will find 99.9% of GS fans saying we are 2nd or 3rd in the power rankings so I can't for the life of me figure out what you are so butt-hurt about.

Actually, of the 11 GS fans that have responded in this thread, only 6 are saying GS is 2nd or 3rd. The other half have either outright said GS should be at least tied for number 1, or argued in favor of someone arguing that.

Hyperbole aside, our friend from Mobile is pretty accurate. The fan base's reputation is earned, not made up.

Actually of the GS fans responding only the following provided a clue as to where they thought we should rank:
2 eaglewraith
T1 GSUEagles
2 topate50
3 TrueBlueDrew
T1? EigenEagle agreed that GSUEagles was probably correct
2 gseagles
3 Georgia_Power_Company
3 TrueBlueAlum
3 LoyalEagle
3 JCGSU

so I will correct my statement to say 80% of the GS fans outright said we were 2nd or 3rd so I still don't see the need to be so butt-hurt about it. We do have some fans that are a little out there I will give you that. Maybe at least we won't do the childish *did not play GS crap to stAte if they win out.

Did you just use the term "butt hurt" and then refer to other fans as being childish?

Yes I did

(11-17-2015 10:47 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:21 AM)Paraprosdokian Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:06 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:59 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:48 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  The argument would take a different form...

2014: By the end of the season App State was the best team but earlier losses kept them from going to the championship. App would beat both teams in the championship game if they played them again.

2015: Troy 2015 = App State 2014. Teams should now fear them as they have beaten ULM and NMSU and have the best defense in the Sun Belt. If they played USA again they would beat them by at least two touchdowns. If they played Idaho again they would win. Georgia Southern should worry about that game. Oh wait, we heard that one before.

The argument wouldn't go away, but teams not in the championship game would say that the teams that are in the championship game aren't the best. Maybe it's that the "second best" team was from the same division or another reeled off 6 wins to end the season and wasn't in the game... The argument would just be in a different form.

I believe 2015 is more like this:

2015: App St beats GS, Ark St beats App St, but the South Georgia Peach, Peanut, Watermellon Sports Computer says that GA So is 35 points better than App St and 34 points better than Ark St so we will beat either by 5 touchdowns therefore we should get the championship. Beat chest, brag GATA beat chest. If you don't believe us we will scream louder than everyone else.

If you look back through this thread you will find 99.9% of GS fans saying we are 2nd or 3rd in the power rankings so I can't for the life of me figure out what you are so butt-hurt about.

Actually, of the 11 GS fans that have responded in this thread, only 6 are saying GS is 2nd or 3rd. The other half have either outright said GS should be at least tied for number 1, or argued in favor of someone arguing that.

Hyperbole aside, our friend from Mobile is pretty accurate. The fan base's reputation is earned, not made up.

Actually of the GS fans responding only the following provided a clue as to where they thought we should rank:
2 eaglewraith
T1 GSUEagles
2 topate50
3 TrueBlueDrew
T1? EigenEagle agreed that GSUEagles was probably correct
2 gseagles
3 Georgia_Power_Company
3 TrueBlueAlum
3 LoyalEagle
3 JCGSU

so I will correct my statement to say 80% of the GS fans outright said we were 2nd or 3rd so I still don't see the need to be so butt-hurt about it. We do have some fans that are a little out there I will give you that. Maybe at least we won't do the childish *did not play GS crap to stAte if they win out.

C'mon man. "I think any given week any of the top 3 have a legit case. Ark St sits there now but we looked awful good yesterday." and claiming stAte has a "bad home loss" to an SEC team is pretty clear. Don't act shocked when people call GS fans chest beaters. That's all I ask.

And there's a big difference between GS not playing two of the best teams in the conference and having the worst opponent win-loss record of an SBC champ in many, many years, and stAte not playing GS. GS had an easy road last year, and the complaints were/are valid.

(11-17-2015 10:47 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  Actually of the GS fans responding only the following provided a clue as to where they thought we should rank:
2 eaglewraith
T1 GSUEagles
2 topate50
3 TrueBlueDrew
T1? EigenEagle agreed that GSUEagles was probably correct
2 gseagles
3 Georgia_Power_Company
3 TrueBlueAlum
3 LoyalEagle
3 JCGSU

so I will correct my statement to say 80% of the GS fans outright said we were 2nd or 3rd so I still don't see the need to be so butt-hurt about it. We do have some fans that are a little out there I will give you that. Maybe at least we won't do the childish *did not play GS crap to stAte if they win out.

GSU Eagles posts some WTF stuff but I really can't find any fault with what he is posting in this thread. The name of the thread is "power rankings". If you're just going to go by the conference standings then what's the point? I'm literate and numerate and can get those from ESPN or the conference website.

I don't have a problem with people saying that StAte is the best team in the conference and think it's a perfectly reasonable. I don't agree that they are the best team in the league by a wide margin when looking at overall body of work and not just being lazy and applying transitive property from two games. How would comparing performance against App State have done in predicting GS @ Troy BTW?

The fact that some would get worked up over an opinion over conference ratings where you post your opinion of conference ratings demonstrates a principle I've referred to before…whatever team is hot or winning has the most annoying fans. Just look at how annoyed some get at Troy fans for getting excited about their team that struggled for a while showing some real signs of life.

If we had a 8-6 cumulative conference record now instead of a 13-1 record no one would be complaining about any opinion any GS fan has on a power rankings thread. Fact.

So App can rocket up the power rankings after looking like hot garbage half of last year (and even leap us in some fans versions of this "power ranking" last year), but we can't improve in them at all because we played maybe our best all around game since W Mich? We thumped the team that took App to 3 OT by 35 and held them with 3 offensive points.

RIIIIGGGHHHT. Makes perfect sense.

(11-17-2015 10:06 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:59 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:48 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:20 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Can't wait until SBC has a championship game! End this debate for once

The argument would take a different form...

2014: By the end of the season App State was the best team but earlier losses kept them from going to the championship. App would beat both teams in the championship game if they played them again.

2015: Troy 2015 = App State 2014. Teams should now fear them as they have beaten ULM and NMSU and have the best defense in the Sun Belt. If they played USA again they would beat them by at least two touchdowns. If they played Idaho again they would win. Georgia Southern should worry about that game. Oh wait, we heard that one before.

The argument wouldn't go away, but teams not in the championship game would say that the teams that are in the championship game aren't the best. Maybe it's that the "second best" team was from the same division or another reeled off 6 wins to end the season and wasn't in the game... The argument would just be in a different form.

I believe 2015 is more like this:

2015: App St beats GS, Ark St beats App St, but the South Georgia Peach, Peanut, Watermellon Sports Computer says that GA So is 35 points better than App St and 34 points better than Ark St so we will beat either by 5 touchdowns therefore we should get the championship. Beat chest, brag GATA beat chest. If you don't believe us we will scream louder than everyone else.

If you look back through this thread you will find 99.9% of GS fans saying we are 2nd or 3rd in the power rankings so I can't for the life of me figure out what you are so butt-hurt about.

Those who scream butt-hurt are juvenile and have their panties in a wad and truly know what butt-hurt means.

If GaSo beats UGA I also will put them in front of stAte...that would make sense to me. I'll be rooting for GaSo to win that game also...that would be a SBC win too. But if GaSo does not win that game then there's no way they can be tied with or ahead of stAte or App.

Good luck Eagles!

(11-17-2015 11:40 AM)tapate50 Wrote:  So App can rocket up the power rankings after looking like hot garbage half of last year (and even leap us in some fans versions of this "power ranking" last year), but we can't improve in them at all because we played maybe our best all around game since W Mich? We thumped the team that took App to 3 OT by 35 and held them with 3 offensive points.

RIIIIGGGHHHT. Makes perfect sense.

For the 1785978573th time, the transitive property does not work in football.

App, Ark State and Troy beat ULM by 40, 37 and 38. You guys only beat them by 20. See how little sense that makes?

Lot of selective memory in here.

Lots of people were putting App ahead of us toward the end of last year. But the opposite is not allowed because Georgia Southern fans have "too much arrogance" it seems.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying we should go ahead of them, but I think there's some logic in it. It's a bit premature in my opinion though, so we'll have to see how things work out.

People can argue all they want and have whatever opinion. All I want are the rings.

And just like I said last year with GS...there are no asterisks.