I wish we could get down to 4 power conference teams. Then the playoffs can be decided by having at least conference semi-final games to finally produce 4 conference champions for the 4 playoff teams. What do the posters on this board feel the final number will be? 64? 72? or 80?

A lot of people want the fewest number of teams 64 because they think that is more money per university but I think there are a couple of things against that.
1. College football is not like NFL football. If there is not a draw from the fan towards the college game they tend to follow the NFL more and I think shrinking the number of teams/markets to 64 would be a mistake. I prefer 72 or even 80. If we stay at 64 and use the current P5 teams look at all the teams from large markets that would be left out. I understand sometimes they are not always the dominant team in their market but even as the secondary team they have an effect on tv ratings.
2. As long as their is a desire for content by several media outlets it can support more teams.
3. College football has always enjoyed seeing its brands have great/good win/loss records and if you have two few of teams, teams are going to start having .500 or less records maybe even hindering fan support for their individual teams.

I don't know...but I think the 4 conference-16 team idea won't ever happen....

I don't think we'll have 5-6 major conferences, with possibly 2 Power Conferences emerging into mini-leagues, with the SEC and B1G

There are significant hindrances with the PAC 12, ACC, and Big XII.

(11-06-2015 02:47 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I don't know...but I think the 4 conference-16 team idea won't ever happen....

I don't think we'll have 5-6 major conferences, with possibly 2 Power Conferences emerging into mini-leagues, with the SEC and B1G

There are significant hindrances with the PAC 12, ACC, and Big XII.

I like the 72 model, but there is a problem. Where does the PAC 12 get all those extra schools? They would need six new schools. Maybe from the Big XII? Guess they missed out on a great opportunity a few short years ago... Who is the new Big Four?

I really don't see a lot of good choices for the PAC 12 brand wise because I don't think the Big 12 main schools want to go out West anymore. So if the Big 12 is the league that goes by the wayside(which I kind of think is a mistake) you have the secondary brands in states like Ok. St., KSU, Baylor, TCU maybe TT, maybe an ISU.

I think it would be best for college football if the ACC went by the wayside because they just don't have a very deep football league and don't really have the star power at the top to make that league compete equally in football.

So if the ACC went by the wayside one out of the box idea for the PAC 12 would be to take ND and maybe Pitt., Syracuse, UConn, BC and maybe a Cincinnati. This would give them some exposure in the East coast and even Midwest. I think this would be more attractive to them than Boise St., N.M., Nevada, Houston, SMU type additions.

4....or 6 if the playoff expands.

If we went to 72 with every league trying to get something and attempting to have the most balance college football wise. Also, the PAC 12 getting some teams out East:

B1G + Va., NC, Duke & UCONN
SEC +Va. Tech, WVU, NC St. & ECU
Big 12 -WVU(SEC) +FSU, Clemson, Miami, Ga. Tech, Louisville, BYU, Memphis, Houston, Colorado St.
Pac 12: +ND, Syracuse, B.C., Navy, Pitt. & Cincinnati

Teams on the edge that didn't quite make it would be Boise St., N.M., Nevada or UNLV, UCF, Wake Forrest or maybe they replace a Colorado St. or Houston

(11-06-2015 03:52 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  If we went to 72 with every league trying to get something and attempting to have the most balance college football wise. Also, the PAC 12 getting some teams out East:

B1G + Va., NC, Duke & UCONN
SEC +Va. Tech, WVU, NC St. & ECU
Big 12 -WVU(SEC) +FSU, Clemson, Miami, Ga. Tech, Louisville, BYU, Memphis, Houston, Colorado St.
Pac 12: +ND, Syracuse, B.C., Navy, Pitt. & Cincinnati

Teams on the edge that didn't quite make it would be Boise St., N.M., Nevada or UNLV, UCF, Wake Forrest or maybe they replace a Colorado St. or Houston

I really like the idea of 4 18 school conferences, but you have pointed out the main hindrance to such a model. I like it because first of all the major division point in economic investment by the schools in athletics is between the 71st and 72nd positions. Therefore I believe there will be much less chance of legal entanglements if we expand to include 72 schools.

Second I like it because the networks want wild cards. If we have those internal to the conference championships we still have 4 true champions for the national playoff. With 3 divisions of 6 you have better divisional play and by having conference semis that include the 3 divisional champs and the best remaining conference school you have two games within each conference that earn 100% of the playoff money generated and then 1 or possibly two national games where the earnings are split between the 4 conferences depending upon advancement of their participants.

What I fear is going to be more likely to happen is that the PAC will take 8 of the Big 12 and the SEC and Big 10 will each take 6 of the ACC and that we will wind up with three conferences of 20 and a total of 60 (not 64 schools) and that greed will be the primary motivation for that kind of division. Schools like West Virginia, Wake Forest, Boston College, T.C.U., Baylor, Iowa State and even Miami may have to fight hard for one of those 60 slots.

If the PAC ever relinquishes a portion of its network rights to ESPN & FOX the division of the Big 12 and ACC both of which fail to have a network would be easily accomplished by cooperation of those two corporate entities.

I think the 4 x 18 would be much more regional as conferences and local as divisions and inclusive enough to address the issue you raised about win percentage.

I think the 3 x 20 will alienate an even greater portion of the present market by excluding needlessly some good and deserving schools.

(11-06-2015 04:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 03:52 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  If we went to 72 with every league trying to get something and attempting to have the most balance college football wise. Also, the PAC 12 getting some teams out East:

B1G + Va., NC, Duke & UCONN
SEC +Va. Tech, WVU, NC St. & ECU
Big 12 -WVU(SEC) +FSU, Clemson, Miami, Ga. Tech, Louisville, BYU, Memphis, Houston, Colorado St.
Pac 12: +ND, Syracuse, B.C., Navy, Pitt. & Cincinnati

Teams on the edge that didn't quite make it would be Boise St., N.M., Nevada or UNLV, UCF, Wake Forrest or maybe they replace a Colorado St. or Houston

I really like the idea of 4 18 school conferences, but you have pointed out the main hindrance to such a model. I like it because first of all the major division point in economic investment by the schools in athletics is between the 71st and 72nd positions. Therefore I believe there will be much less chance of legal entanglements if we expand to include 72 schools.

Second I like it because the networks want wild cards. If we have those internal to the conference championships we still have 4 true champions for the national playoff. With 3 divisions of 6 you have better divisional play and by having conference semis that include the 3 divisional champs and the best remaining conference school you have two games within each conference that earn 100% of the playoff money generated and then 1 or possibly two national games where the earnings are split between the 4 conferences depending upon advancement of their participants.

What I fear is going to be more likely to happen is that the PAC will take 8 of the Big 12 and the SEC and Big 10 will each take 6 of the ACC and that we will wind up with three conferences of 20 and a total of 60 (not 64 schools) and that greed will be the primary motivation for that kind of division. Schools like West Virginia, Wake Forest, Boston College, T.C.U., Baylor, Iowa State and even Miami may have to fight hard for one of those 60 slots.

If the PAC ever relinquishes a portion of its network rights to ESPN & FOX the division of the Big 12 and ACC both of which fail to have a network would be easily accomplished by cooperation of those two corporate entities.

I think the 4 x 18 would be much more regional as conferences and local as divisions and inclusive enough to address the issue you raised about win percentage.

I think the 3 x 20 will alienate an even greater portion of the present market by excluding needlessly some good and deserving schools.

60 among 3 leagues would be terrible for college football because it would continue to this crappy selection and picking of playoff teams. The more college football does this the more it turns me off and want to just watch NFL football. Its the equivalent of figure skating + WWE. They want to "pick who the champions are" and give us an "artificial matchup" instead of just letting teams play their way into the playoffs.

I might be wrong but I would be surprised if they went to 3 leagues of 20 instead of 4 leagues of 64. That would be a giant cluster that I am not sure even college football could come up with.

I see the Big 12 getting carved up. Actually, I think the only way to get down to 4 leagues is if the Big 12 dies off. It is so inherently unstable that any additions, I think, would end up switching conferences again once the GOR expires.

Interestingly enough, maintaining the ACC in its current form would be a problem as well.

Let's say it works something like this: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State ending up going to the PAC. That's 18 for them.

The SEC takes Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and NC State. Now the SEC has 20.

The B1G takes Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, and UConn. B1G is at 20.

Then we've got a best of the rest league left that could fill out the other 18 solid programs...

Miami, UCF, USF, Wake Forest, East Carolina, West Virginia

Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Temple

BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, Houston, SMU, Memphis

I think it would be hard to divide things evenly into 18 team leagues, but I think this alignment is realistic.

Divide et impera

6 conferences with between 9 and 12 teams each.

If Notre Dame makes it into the playoffs, I could see certain schools evaluating independence as solid alternative. If there is a "golden parachute" written into the B12 GOR that Texas can escape from, that might be the route to take if their heads out grow their hats.

I think we are more likely to see the number of independents grow if they can figure out the formula that the selection committee generally uses.

(11-06-2015 07:19 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I see the Big 12 getting carved up. Actually, I think the only way to get down to 4 leagues is if the Big 12 dies off. It is so inherently unstable that any additions, I think, would end up switching conferences again once the GOR expires.

Interestingly enough, maintaining the ACC in its current form would be a problem as well.

Let's say it works something like this: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State ending up going to the PAC. That's 18 for them.

The SEC takes Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and NC State. Now the SEC has 20.

The B1G takes Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, and UConn. B1G is at 20.

Then we've got a best of the rest league left that could fill out the other 18 solid programs...

Miami, UCF, USF, Wake Forest, East Carolina, West Virginia

Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Temple

BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, Houston, SMU, Memphis

I think it would be hard to divide things evenly into 18 team leagues, but I think this alignment is realistic.

I wouldn't mind 72 teams but that 4th league is an absolute dog and would be a lot lesser league than the other 3! I think it would be much better to balance the leagues a little better.

(11-07-2015 01:01 AM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:19 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I see the Big 12 getting carved up. Actually, I think the only way to get down to 4 leagues is if the Big 12 dies off. It is so inherently unstable that any additions, I think, would end up switching conferences again once the GOR expires.

Interestingly enough, maintaining the ACC in its current form would be a problem as well.

Let's say it works something like this: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State ending up going to the PAC. That's 18 for them.

The SEC takes Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and NC State. Now the SEC has 20.

The B1G takes Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, and UConn. B1G is at 20.

Then we've got a best of the rest league left that could fill out the other 18 solid programs...

Miami, UCF, USF, Wake Forest, East Carolina, West Virginia

Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Temple

BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, Houston, SMU, Memphis

I think it would be hard to divide things evenly into 18 team leagues, but I think this alignment is realistic.

I wouldn't mind 72 teams but that 4th league is an absolute dog and would be a lot lesser league than the other 3! I think it would be much better to balance the leagues a little better.

I agree, but I'm not sure there is a good way to do it. You'd have to force some conferences to take schools they don't really want to really balance things.

Either that or leave some quality programs in leagues where they don't want to be.

(11-06-2015 07:19 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I see the Big 12 getting carved up. Actually, I think the only way to get down to 4 leagues is if the Big 12 dies off. It is so inherently unstable that any additions, I think, would end up switching conferences again once the GOR expires.

Interestingly enough, maintaining the ACC in its current form would be a problem as well.

Let's say it works something like this: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State ending up going to the PAC. That's 18 for them.

The SEC takes Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and NC State. Now the SEC has 20.

The B1G takes Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, and UConn. B1G is at 20.

Then we've got a best of the rest league left that could fill out the other 18 solid programs...

Miami, UCF, USF, Wake Forest, East Carolina, West Virginia

Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Temple

BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, Houston, SMU, Memphis

I think it would be hard to divide things evenly into 18 team leagues, but I think this alignment is realistic.

I agree that the Big 12 is most likely to be carved up and the ACC may get picked apart too. I also agree that it's hard to see all the quality teams being added to the PAC, SEC or B1G, so there will always be some sort of leftovers conference. Maybe that means we wind up with something like the Power 3, and Lite - 2 for leftovers. My lineup of teams though would be different than yours.

B1G - adds Kansas, Oklahoma, UVA, UNC, Duke and Georgia Tech (20 members)

SEC - adds Virginia Tech, NC State, Florida State, and Baylor (18 members)

PAC - adds Texas Tech, Iowa State, TCU and Kansas State (16 members)

Independents - Notre Dame and Texas

I think the leftover teams will not want to be in a coast to coast conference, with all the travel expense that entails. So teams in the east and midwest, like Louisville, Syracuse, Boston College, Wake Forest, Clemson, and Miami, will probably join the AAC. Leftover teams in the west like Oklahoma State and BYU, join a western conference like the Mountain West.

(11-07-2015 02:52 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:19 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I see the Big 12 getting carved up. Actually, I think the only way to get down to 4 leagues is if the Big 12 dies off. It is so inherently unstable that any additions, I think, would end up switching conferences again once the GOR expires.

Interestingly enough, maintaining the ACC in its current form would be a problem as well.

Let's say it works something like this: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State ending up going to the PAC. That's 18 for them.

The SEC takes Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and NC State. Now the SEC has 20.

The B1G takes Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, and UConn. B1G is at 20.

Then we've got a best of the rest league left that could fill out the other 18 solid programs...

Miami, UCF, USF, Wake Forest, East Carolina, West Virginia

Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Temple

BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, Houston, SMU, Memphis

I think it would be hard to divide things evenly into 18 team leagues, but I think this alignment is realistic.

I agree that the Big 12 is most likely to be carved up and the ACC may get picked apart too. I also agree that it's hard to see all the quality teams being added to the PAC, SEC or B1G, so there will always be some sort of leftovers conference. Maybe that means we wind up with something like the Power 3, and Lite - 2 for leftovers. My lineup of teams though would be different than yours.

B1G - adds Kansas, Oklahoma, UVA, UNC, Duke and Georgia Tech (20 members)

SEC - adds Virginia Tech, NC State, Florida State, and Baylor (18 members)

PAC - adds Texas Tech, Iowa State, TCU and Kansas State (16 members)

Independents - Notre Dame and Texas

I think the leftover teams will not want to be in a coast to coast conference, with all the travel expense that entails. So teams in the east and midwest, like Louisville, Syracuse, Boston College, Wake Forest, Clemson, and Miami, will probably join the AAC. Leftover teams in the west like Oklahoma State and BYU, join a western conference like the Mountain West.

Study the numbers. Clemson will not be left out of a power conference.

BTW, at 18 each for 3 of the 4 conferences here is what I would hope to see:

Big 10:
East: Boston College, Maryland, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse
Central: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State Purdue
West: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin'

SEC:
East: Duke, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
Central: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Florida State, Kentucky, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M

Big 12:
Cincinnati, Louisville, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia
Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech
Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

PAC 12:
Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, U.C.L.A., U.S.C.

That's 66 schools in 4 conferences. At 68 the PAC would add Brigham Young and possibly Nevada.

Nobody presently in is out. Cincinnati is next in.

(11-07-2015 06:27 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 02:52 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:19 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I see the Big 12 getting carved up. Actually, I think the only way to get down to 4 leagues is if the Big 12 dies off. It is so inherently unstable that any additions, I think, would end up switching conferences again once the GOR expires.

Interestingly enough, maintaining the ACC in its current form would be a problem as well.

Let's say it works something like this: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State ending up going to the PAC. That's 18 for them.

The SEC takes Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and NC State. Now the SEC has 20.

The B1G takes Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, and UConn. B1G is at 20.

Then we've got a best of the rest league left that could fill out the other 18 solid programs...

Miami, UCF, USF, Wake Forest, East Carolina, West Virginia

Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Temple

BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, Houston, SMU, Memphis

I think it would be hard to divide things evenly into 18 team leagues, but I think this alignment is realistic.

I agree that the Big 12 is most likely to be carved up and the ACC may get picked apart too. I also agree that it's hard to see all the quality teams being added to the PAC, SEC or B1G, so there will always be some sort of leftovers conference. Maybe that means we wind up with something like the Power 3, and Lite - 2 for leftovers. My lineup of teams though would be different than yours.

B1G - adds Kansas, Oklahoma, UVA, UNC, Duke and Georgia Tech (20 members)

SEC - adds Virginia Tech, NC State, Florida State, and Baylor (18 members)

PAC - adds Texas Tech, Iowa State, TCU and Kansas State (16 members)

Independents - Notre Dame and Texas

I think the leftover teams will not want to be in a coast to coast conference, with all the travel expense that entails. So teams in the east and midwest, like Louisville, Syracuse, Boston College, Wake Forest, Clemson, and Miami, will probably join the AAC. Leftover teams in the west like Oklahoma State and BYU, join a western conference like the Mountain West.

Study the numbers. Clemson will not be left out of a power conference.

BTW, at 18 each for 3 of the 4 conferences here is what I would hope to see:

Big 10:
East: Boston College, Maryland, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse
Central: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State Purdue
West: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin'

SEC:
East: Duke, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
Central: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Florida State, Kentucky, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M

Big 12:
Cincinnati, Louisville, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia
Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech
Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

PAC 12:
Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, U.C.L.A., U.S.C.

That's 66 schools in 4 conferences. At 68 the PAC would add Brigham Young and possibly Nevada.

Nobody presently in is out. Cincinnati is next in.

I don't see the Big taking Pitt under any circumstances and By is just about as much of a long shot. If Notre Dame and Syracuse were added, I think the Big stops at 16 unless it lures two or more of Virginia, North Carolina, Duke and Georgia Tech.

(11-07-2015 06:33 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 06:27 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 02:52 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:19 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I see the Big 12 getting carved up. Actually, I think the only way to get down to 4 leagues is if the Big 12 dies off. It is so inherently unstable that any additions, I think, would end up switching conferences again once the GOR expires.

Interestingly enough, maintaining the ACC in its current form would be a problem as well.

Let's say it works something like this: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State ending up going to the PAC. That's 18 for them.

The SEC takes Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and NC State. Now the SEC has 20.

The B1G takes Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, and UConn. B1G is at 20.

Then we've got a best of the rest league left that could fill out the other 18 solid programs...

Miami, UCF, USF, Wake Forest, East Carolina, West Virginia

Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Temple

BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, Houston, SMU, Memphis

I think it would be hard to divide things evenly into 18 team leagues, but I think this alignment is realistic.

I agree that the Big 12 is most likely to be carved up and the ACC may get picked apart too. I also agree that it's hard to see all the quality teams being added to the PAC, SEC or B1G, so there will always be some sort of leftovers conference. Maybe that means we wind up with something like the Power 3, and Lite - 2 for leftovers. My lineup of teams though would be different than yours.

B1G - adds Kansas, Oklahoma, UVA, UNC, Duke and Georgia Tech (20 members)

SEC - adds Virginia Tech, NC State, Florida State, and Baylor (18 members)

PAC - adds Texas Tech, Iowa State, TCU and Kansas State (16 members)

Independents - Notre Dame and Texas

I think the leftover teams will not want to be in a coast to coast conference, with all the travel expense that entails. So teams in the east and midwest, like Louisville, Syracuse, Boston College, Wake Forest, Clemson, and Miami, will probably join the AAC. Leftover teams in the west like Oklahoma State and BYU, join a western conference like the Mountain West.

Study the numbers. Clemson will not be left out of a power conference.

BTW, at 18 each for 3 of the 4 conferences here is what I would hope to see:

Big 10:
East: Boston College, Maryland, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse
Central: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State Purdue
West: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin'

SEC:
East: Duke, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
Central: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Florida State, Kentucky, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M

Big 12:
Cincinnati, Louisville, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia
Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech
Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

PAC 12:
Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, U.C.L.A., U.S.C.

That's 66 schools in 4 conferences. At 68 the PAC would add Brigham Young and possibly Nevada.

Nobody presently in is out. Cincinnati is next in.

I don't see the Big taking Pitt under any circumstances and By is just about as much of a long shot. If Notre Dame and Syracuse were added, I think the Big stops at 16 unless it lures two or more of Virginia, North Carolina, Duke and Georgia Tech.

B.C. is the linchpin for hockey that the Big 10 would like to land. The market is nice as well and negates any need for UConn. And, if the Big 10 doesn't land any ACC AAU schools from the South they would take Pitt just for another vote within the organization.

I played around with some of the suggestions in the post, but here is what I think.

If the big brands like Texas, North Carolina, Oklahoma, etc. decide to leave early they will be able to take some of the other schools with them. In that eventuality I think what you will see is between 60 to 64 schools.

But, if everyone waits until the end of the present GOR's then both the Big 12 and ACC will be cherry picked and the motive for movement will be television exposure, other state flagship peers, and most importantly money. Now all of this is the most likely scenario if the ACC doesn't get a network sometime soon.

The Big 10 and SEC will wait and simply take those they can get from among the targets that their member presidents have already reached consensus to take. In that eventuality little brothers will have little to no chance and the relegation to a lesser division will become reality for a number of schools from the ACC & Big 12.

These moves are for profit so there will be no mercy for those who don't add to the bottom line.

I sincerely hope schools aren't left out.

What I wouldn't mind seeing is the SEC going after 6 Big 12 schools to move to 20 and finish things off.

---Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State

West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State
Central: Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Texas A&M
South: Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Vanderbilt
East: Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida

I think it would be a fun league. It would offer numerous elite match-ups, but would balance them with plenty of lesser match-ups so the schedule wouldn't be too tough.

The PAC 12 might go after TCU and Houston.

The B1G stays put.

The ACC adds Notre Dame, Cincinnati, West Virginia, and UConn

In this scenario, Baylor and Iowa State would be left out of the P5 with 2 new schools being added. I actually think Baylor and ISU could survive as independents. They wouldn't make as much money as they are now, but I think they would get recognition along with BYU.

(11-08-2015 03:29 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I sincerely hope schools aren't left out.

What I wouldn't mind seeing is the SEC going after 6 Big 12 schools to move to 20 and finish things off.

---Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State

West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State
Central: Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Texas A&M
South: Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Vanderbilt
East: Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida

I think it would be a fun league. It would offer numerous elite match-ups, but would balance them with plenty of lesser match-ups so the schedule wouldn't be too tough.

The PAC 12 might go after TCU and Houston.

The B1G stays put.

The ACC adds Notre Dame, Cincinnati, West Virginia, and UConn

In this scenario, Baylor and Iowa State would be left out of the P5 with 2 new schools being added. I actually think Baylor and ISU could survive as independents. They wouldn't make as much money as they are now, but I think they would get recognition along with BYU.

That's a notion that I kicked around, but I sobered up when I looked at the actual numbers. Texas adds. Oklahoma adds. Kansas adds a little, but doesn't fit the SEC in any real cultural way. Kansas State and Texas Tech detract from our revenue, they are not even revenue neutral. In fact they detract from the revenue that Texas and Kansas might add. Oklahoma State by itself could add a little. With Oklahoma they add nothing, but neither would they take away much either.

Now oddly the studies for teams to the East were slightly different. If we took Virginia and Virginia Tech we actually still add revenue, just not as much as we would with only one Virginia school. So we could take both. The same is true in North Carolina. We could add Duke and North Carolina and add revenue, just not as much as if we added just North Carolina, or North Carolina State.

So if we are going to double down anywhere the state of North Carolina would be the most worthwhile double down, Virginia would be second, and Oklahoma a distant third as states to double down in. Florida State adds, just not much.

Ideally for the SEC the additions of just North Carolina and Virginia would be the best move. If we had to add Duke and Virginia Tech to get it done it would still pay us to do so. In the Big 12 Texas and OU are the moves that add. If we only had the Big 12 as an option we could make do with OU & OSU if necessary, but it wouldn't add much. If we added multiple schools the best scenario of all would be Duke, North Carolina, Virginia and Oklahoma.