Breaking: The officiating crew from last night's Miami/Duke game has been suspended.

http://www.theacc.com/news/acc-announces-11-01-2015

Quote:The Atlantic Coast Conference has announced the suspension of the on-field officiating crew as well as the replay official and communicator following the Miami at Duke game on Saturday, October 31.

The announcement follows the league’s weekly review of game footage, as well as reports and interviews with officials and administrators.

The series of errors during the final play of the game will result in the suspension of the entire crew for two ACC games.

The errors that occurred during the last play of the game are:

The replay official erred in not overturning the ruling on the field that the Miami player had released the ball prior to his knee being down. If called, this would have ended the game.

The on-field officials erred by failing to penalize Miami for an illegal block in the back at the Miami 16-yard line. If called, the ball would have been placed at the Miami 8-yard line and the game would have been extended for an untimed down.

A block in the back foul was called at the Duke 26-yard line. After the officials conferred, which is appropriate, they correctly determined that the block was from the side, which resulted in the flag being picked up. The replay official was not involved in the decision to pick up the flag; however, the referee did not effectively manage communication and properly explain why the flag was picked up.

In addition, the on-field crew failed to penalize a Miami player for leaving the bench area and entering the field prior to the end of the play. This foul would not have negated the touchdown because it would have been enforced as a dead ball foul.

“The quality of our officiating program is of the highest importance to the league and its schools, and the last play of the game was not handled appropriately,” said ACC Commissioner John Swofford. “Officiating is an extraordinarily difficult job but our players, coaches, programs and fans deserve the best that can be offered. We will continue to strive to meet that standard.”

2 games is not enough.

(11-01-2015 12:55 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  2 games is not enough.

I agree but you have to look at it from the ACC's perspective.....if they fired them for incompetence then they would have to fire the rest of their crews and Lord knows how Ron Cherry would make a living if that happened.


What I do wonder is does this affect the crew's ability to work games for other conferences. I know that ACC crews work SoCon, MEAC and some DII games as an entire crew.

At the same time, ACCDN is promoting that play as the "Wildest Ending You'll Ever See".

(11-01-2015 11:35 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  You're not allowed to use replay to change that call. It was said on the radio, tv and interwebz about two kajillion times last night. So more #goacc officiating right there. They got the call right, but they did it in a manner that was outside the purview of the rules.

I didn't realize there were multiple potential block in the backs on that play. After watching the replay again, they definitely blew the call. There was an obvious block in the back. And then the fact that the replay crew reviewed the knee being down and literally said "the knee was not down"?

lmfao #goacc

It's all fine and dandy that they're suspended as long as it's for pro-Duke missed calls. Let's just forget all that BS pass interference... like the flag that let them get a TD coming from the ref 30 yards away (after Duke fans booed) not the one standing right in front of the damn play.

(11-01-2015 01:14 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(11-01-2015 11:35 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  You're not allowed to use replay to change that call. It was said on the radio, tv and interwebz about two kajillion times last night. So more #goacc officiating right there. They got the call right, but they did it in a manner that was outside the purview of the rules.

I didn't realize there were multiple potential block in the backs on that play. After watching the replay again, they definitely blew the call. There was an obvious block in the back. And then the fact that the replay crew reviewed the knee being down and literally said "the knee was not down"?

lmfao #goacc

The ball was not in his possession. It's over. We won. On to the next week!

(11-01-2015 01:10 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  At the same time, ACCDN is promoting that play as the "Wildest Ending You'll Ever See".

#goacc, I guess

(11-01-2015 01:15 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(11-01-2015 01:14 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(11-01-2015 11:35 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  You're not allowed to use replay to change that call. It was said on the radio, tv and interwebz about two kajillion times last night. So more #goacc officiating right there. They got the call right, but they did it in a manner that was outside the purview of the rules.

I didn't realize there were multiple potential block in the backs on that play. After watching the replay again, they definitely blew the call. There was an obvious block in the back. And then the fact that the replay crew reviewed the knee being down and literally said "the knee was not down"?

lmfao #goacc

The ball was not in his possession. It's over. We won. On to the next week!

I assume you have eyes. And if you do, you know your first statement is false. As to your third statement, that's arguable.

I bet the refs wish Duke had kicked the ball out of bounds. That is one tough job covering that kickoff. On the Duke drive it sure looked like pass interference to each time to me. Regardless Miami was being very aggressive, just being Miami, and thus they got a ton of flags. If the refs stop flagging a team because they think they have reached some artificial limit, they aren't doing their job.

Duke got screwed, no doubt.

(11-01-2015 01:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-01-2015 12:55 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  2 games is not enough.

I agree but you have to look at it from the ACC's perspective.....if they fired them for incompetence then they would have to fire the rest of their crews and Lord knows how Ron Cherry would make a living if that happened.


What I do wonder is does this affect the crew's ability to work games for other conferences. I know that ACC crews work SoCon, MEAC and some DII games as an entire crew.

I wouldn't have as big of an issue if it were one of those "bang-bang" plays that could go either way. They took forever to review it and still got it wrong. In addition, this one play completely decided the ball game. Some of the other bad calls, it evens out over the course of a game.

With so many refs making bad calls in other game

(11-01-2015 01:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-01-2015 12:55 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  2 games is not enough.

I agree but you have to look at it from the ACC's perspective.....if they fired them for incompetence then they would have to fire the rest of their crews and Lord knows how Ron Cherry would make a living if that happened.


What I do wonder is does this affect the crew's ability to work games for other conferences. I know that ACC crews work SoCon, MEAC and some DII games as an entire crew.

I'm sure someone out there would give Ron Cherry some business.

If anyone from this crew is ever assigned a Duke game again, I think it's time to think about returning that phone call from Birmingham.

(11-01-2015 02:57 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Don't even talk about the refs. If you want to talk about refs look at dukes entire last drive. That was some major BS. So proud of my team!!! Go CANES WOOOOOOO

Agree, Those were 2 of the Worst pass interference calls this year.

"Cane Warnings are being posted for rest of the season !

(11-01-2015 11:11 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  The Miami hate on this forum is so real. If anyone got screwed over by the referees last night it was the Canes on that last Duke Drive. Pass interference called on literally three plays in a row, two of them when the defender DID NOT touch the receiver until the ball was there? And the first coming NOT from the ref standing literally in front of the play but from the one 30 yards away - who saw the play from the back angle anyway. And Did you see the replay of that last canes return for touchdown? The knee in question shouldn't even be an issue if y'all knew the rules. The ball was out of his hands, a fumble, before his knee hit the ground. That is why that commonly circulated picture of his knee touching the ground really doesn't matter. Because It's a fumble! So woo hoo. And they do not use replay to call penalties. So those so called blocks in the back that you seem to have imagined couldn't have been called anyway. We won, we should have won, and we never stopped fighting!

Blue -- dude, we're all gonna agree to disagree with you, K...?

We don't "hate" Miami, so easy bud. We don't like that Miami hasn't delivered on its end of the expansion bargain (but we already have a quasi-thread on that).

Between you and I, we're gonna agree to disagree with two of the PI calls on the final drive b/c from where I sat last night in the north endzone, two of them were easily legit.

Between you and I (unless you were at the game and you were that dude walking with me and "Pop" back to the Research Drive Garage), I had to restrain myself from getting to an argument about the calls. Cra-cra.

SIMPLY PUT -- the amount of ineptitude on that "8-lateral" 6 was beyond Ron Cherry levels. Sorry that takes away from your winning excitement, but it is what it is.

Like Lumber said above, Duke was jobbed, "Dusty-finish" style. In fact, Dusty Rhodes is smiling in his grave at the level of "Dusty-finish" we saw last night.

(for those who are curious, google "wrestling dusty finish", then come back and say, yeah -- decro is right).

Having said all that, and something else Lumber eluded to, Miami likely got jobbed on Sirk's go-ahead TD because I really didn't think the ball crossed the goal line.

Anyways -- easy dude. We like you. We like Miami. We HATE that Miami hasn't lived up to her "National Championship" pedigree.

You can rep me now. :)

(11-01-2015 11:36 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  It was a block from the side & not the back, I didn't see any blocks from the back in the replay. The ball was still in his hand when his knee hit the ground though & it looked like a lateral than a fumble to me. I didn't see Duke possession. I picked the Canes in the Pickem so I'm glad they won, bad calls are a part of the game. Replay guys mess up a lot to.

The problem was, the referee announced the penalty. Now, had him and his crew conferred first, then waived the flag off, that's one thing and while many wouldn't like it, many would accept it.

But, once the referee announced the penalty, replay is not allowed to be used to reverse it. Only "targeting" falls outside the scope of the rule.

Man, it's a damn shame there's an issue that has me and Marge on the exact same page.

#goacc

There was definitely a block in the back on the near (tv) sideline. The one on the far sideline was not, and that's the only one I noticed watching the replay the first few times. I don't know which they called a penalty before reviewing and waiving it off. There is no sane person that thinks Miami should've rightly been awarded a touchdown on that final play.

But 23 penalties is absurd. And it does make me question the officiating crew even more.

I applaud the ACC for suspending the officiating crew. Most conferences would just mail an apology letter & forget about it.

Has the PAC said or done anything to the crew that blew the replay in the 3rd overtime of the Arizona St & Oregon game? Bravo ACC!