I hate to say it, but there are valid points sprinkled in Seminole's post.

stAte's talent level on offense beats USA. It shouldn't have been that hard. stAte's offense does look like a bunch of talented individuals and not a team much of the time.

The reason USA almost beat stAte's more talented individuals was that they had a workmanlike attitude and worked as a team for most of that game.

That is no slam on USA at all. They did what they needed to do as a team to beat stAte for most of that game....as a team. If they could have managed to do it for another 5 minute stretch stAte's conference season would be pretty much over.

(10-16-2015 09:17 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 08:42 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 07:55 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 06:36 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The athletes on A-States defense, who have had to overcome poor decisions, and poor play by the offense since Anderson took over, simply over whelmed USA. I mean literally took their candy from them because they could.

The offense, which looked like what it has under this staff, a lot of talented individuals that do not play together as a team, and who seem more interested in the spotlight being on themselves to change, was able to take advantage of one of the many athletic mismatches available when when their qb simply threw the ball up for grabs knowing the receiver could out athlete the player covering him.

Of course it should never have come to that and the continued sub-par play of their qb, and poor decisions by players and coaches on offense, and special teams was the only reason they had to resort to end of game heroics.

One thing for sure the fans, and the media are not letting Anderson & Bell off the hook when it comes to the poor performance of the offense.

You must have missed the #1 play on SportCenter... The A-State d-line dominated our o-line, that is the only position I thought you guys had the big mismatch. Danny Woodson and Gerald Everette were men among boys. Our WRs certainly had the mismatch at almost every position. I do credit your defense for being able to knock a few passes down and put some good hits on them.

You are being confused by performance, I'm talking about talent.

While A-State is without a doubt the most talented team in the SBC , there is no doubt their team is not the best in the SBC.

They actually have more of their 'star' caliber talent on offense than defense, but because of their play thus far, especially the play of their qb's, it seems otherwise.

That the offense has the best talent,and is not performing is why their fans, and the media have really been on their HC's case the last couple of weeks.

To his credit Anderson acknowledge's that this is in fact the case, and said if they ever do get it together they will be fun to watch.

Having talent is more than being bigger, more physical and more athletic than anyone else. Talent is the ability to make plays, which required the mental capacity to make plays and to read the offense/defense.

I don't think you are giving credit where it is due. One of the staples of our defense is the ability to confuse the opposing offense. We have a lot of movement, shifts and blitz packages designed that way. Our players studied film, that's how they knew Fredi likes to throw the ball low and just over the line, hence the blocked passes. In my oppinion, that requires talent.

I do think that from top to bottom, A-State has more talent than we do. We have been full FBS for going on 3 years, we don't even have 4 recruiting classes made up of people that had multiple Division 1 offers. I also believe our starters, with the exception of both lines, were as talented or more so at some positions (our wide recievers). Gerald Everett, Marvin Shinn, Danny Woodson and Josh Magee have been mismatches for everyone we have faced. There is a reason we are able to almost pull out this win, even with a QB only completing around 52% of his passes and no running game.

Let me clarify something, IMO based on data I was paid to compile, they have more talent on their roster than any SBC team not just USA.

My only prediction is that they would have an 8 win +/- 1 season record, and that only because the data I helped compile said that should be the record.

Looking at all the credible sources out there, and most of the posters here seem to agree with them, they are maybe the 3rd best team in the SBC at best.

From what I've seen thus far it looks about right to me.

Some had USA as a better team going into this past weekend, and the people in Vegas did not see much difference in the teams. Looked like what i saw, as far as the two teams performance.

Not as many people here, or any credible sources have ULL better than them. Still waiting on Vegas.

(10-16-2015 09:22 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower. He didn't post here for a year after promising us we would see the talent gap at Cajun field... Then we throttled their ass.

Throttled? You won by 15 and gave up nearly 600 yards offense to AState and it was an 8 point game with 60 seconds left.

Gawd exaggerate much?

(10-15-2015 01:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 11:59 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  We have some fans who think that you are a bad college football fan if you are not sunshine pumping and making excuses 24x7.

This is entirely understandable since that is taught early and often in our state.

It sort of feels like to me that we've got this strange divide. There's a section of our fan base who grew up on the Gospel according to Razorbacks, where sunshine punping, and rooting for all instate teams is the most acceptable fandom there is. Another side of us grew up to hate the Razorbacks and all they stand for.

Inevitably, we run into situations where one side of our fan base is always going to be perpetually confused by what the other side is doing.

There are more sides than that. This season it really seems more like rational fans versus irrational fans.

When a vocal section of your fanbase wants you to bench your starting quarterback, a player who the rest of the known universe sees as the best QB in the conference, for a kid that's demonstrably not ready for prime time because the aforementioned quarterback is a lifelong Razorback fan, you're not dealing with "old fans" versus "sunshine pumpers".

I was raised in Arkansas, but was never a Razorback fan. I hate the Razorbacks as much as anyone. I'm very critical of our team where it's warranted. Some people, however, seem to put more stock in their hatred of one team over their love for another. That's just dumb.

(10-16-2015 10:15 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  I hate to say it, but there are valid points sprinkled in Seminole's post.

stAte's talent level on offense beats USA. It shouldn't have been that hard. stAte's offense does look like a bunch of talented individuals and not a team much of the time.

The reason USA almost beat stAte's more talented individuals was that they had a workmanlike attitude and worked as a team for most of that game.

That is no slam on USA at all. They did what they needed to do as a team to beat stAte for most of that game....as a team. If they could have managed to do it for another 5 minute stretch stAte's conference season would be pretty much over.

Actually i'm getting all this from the banter among A-State fans, reading and listening to the local media, and from listening to their coaches. They are less politically correct than the A-State fans that post here.

My only position on their program is they have the best roster of players in the SBC, and actually not me, I just did the grunt work, but my client who is considered the 'gold standard' on such matters. By everyone.

(10-16-2015 10:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 09:22 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower. He didn't post here for a year after promising us we would see the talent gap at Cajun field... Then we throttled their ass.

Throttled? You won by 15 and gave up nearly 600 yards offense to AState and it was an 8 point game with 60 seconds left.

Gawd exaggerate much?

Game wasn't as close as the score and it's not near the exaggeration that stAte is hands down most talented in the belt. You don't play the game on paper, you don't get points for looking good in your uniform, I'd argue you don't have a lot of talent because they can't use their combine schools very well. Talent is actually performing and using your skills to win games. They don't line up and run forty times and do the high jump, it's football. App state throttled you as well but only won by 5. You scored 2 late against us in garbage time, just like you did against APP... We rushed for 419 yards... That was more than you gave up in the previous 3 games combined...throttled

(10-16-2015 10:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 09:22 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower. He didn't post here for a year after promising us we would see the talent gap at Cajun field... Then we throttled their ass.

Throttled? You won by 15 and gave up nearly 600 yards offense to AState and it was an 8 point game with 60 seconds left.

Gawd exaggerate much?

(10-16-2015 10:35 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 10:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 09:22 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower. He didn't post here for a year after promising us we would see the talent gap at Cajun field... Then we throttled their ass.

Throttled? You won by 15 and gave up nearly 600 yards offense to AState and it was an 8 point game with 60 seconds left.

Gawd exaggerate much?

Game wasn't as close as the score and it's not near the exaggeration that stAte is hands down most talented in the belt. You don't play the game on paper, you don't get points for looking good in your uniform, I'd argue you don't have a lot of talent because they can't use their combine schools very well. Talent is actually performing and using your skills to win games. They don't line up and run forty times and do the high jump, it's football. App state throttled you as well but only won by 5. You scored 2 late against us in garbage time, just like you did against APP... We rushed for 419 yards... That was more than you gave up in the previous 3 games combined...throttled

I thought your team was considered the better team, and were favored.

When did i say the were hands down better? That varies from team to team.

and lets not forget the elephant in the room that every one here is so quick to ignore, when discussing their recent performances, that being the effect of a half a decade of total coaching turmoil, and is still impacting their performance, because this roster of players is still not this staff's roster of players. It would have destroyed any other SBC team.

That they have won during this period is for one reason, they have had more talent than any team in the SBC on their roster during this period. That something that Malzahn, Harsin, and Anderson knew before taking the job, because the guy before each told them it was true, and they checked it out.

Freeze he did not find out until he got there.

(10-16-2015 10:35 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 10:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 09:22 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower. He didn't post here for a year after promising us we would see the talent gap at Cajun field... Then we throttled their ass.

Throttled? You won by 15 and gave up nearly 600 yards offense to AState and it was an 8 point game with 60 seconds left.

Gawd exaggerate much?

Game wasn't as close as the score and it's not near the exaggeration that stAte is hands down most talented in the belt. You don't play the game on paper, you don't get points for looking good in your uniform, I'd argue you don't have a lot of talent because they can't use their combine schools very well. Talent is actually performing and using your skills to win games. They don't line up and run forty times and do the high jump, it's football. App state throttled you as well but only won by 5. You scored 2 late against us in garbage time, just like you did against APP... We rushed for 419 yards... That was more than you gave up in the previous 3 games combined...throttled

It was a tail beating. Spraying perfume on a dead skunk just makes it worse.

(10-16-2015 10:35 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 10:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 09:22 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower. He didn't post here for a year after promising us we would see the talent gap at Cajun field... Then we throttled their ass.

Throttled? You won by 15 and gave up nearly 600 yards offense to AState and it was an 8 point game with 60 seconds left.

Gawd exaggerate much?

Game wasn't as close as the score and it's not near the exaggeration that stAte is hands down most talented in the belt. You don't play the game on paper, you don't get points for looking good in your uniform, I'd argue you don't have a lot of talent because they can't use their combine schools very well. Talent is actually performing and using your skills to win games. They don't line up and run forty times and do the high jump, it's football. App state throttled you as well but only won by 5. You scored 2 late against us in garbage time, just like you did against APP... We rushed for 419 yards... That was more than you gave up in the previous 3 games combined...throttled

No wonder Hud doesn't want to leave you goomers think that's a throttling he will never find a job in FBS where the fans set the bar that low.

As for the talent argument, if you are stupid enough to throw Seminoles words in my face my respect for you plumments.

(10-16-2015 11:02 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 10:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 09:22 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower. He didn't post here for a year after promising us we would see the talent gap at Cajun field... Then we throttled their ass.

Throttled? You won by 15 and gave up nearly 600 yards offense to AState and it was an 8 point game with 60 seconds left.

Gawd exaggerate much?

(10-16-2015 10:35 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 10:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 09:22 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower. He didn't post here for a year after promising us we would see the talent gap at Cajun field... Then we throttled their ass.

Throttled? You won by 15 and gave up nearly 600 yards offense to AState and it was an 8 point game with 60 seconds left.

Gawd exaggerate much?

Game wasn't as close as the score and it's not near the exaggeration that stAte is hands down most talented in the belt. You don't play the game on paper, you don't get points for looking good in your uniform, I'd argue you don't have a lot of talent because they can't use their combine schools very well. Talent is actually performing and using your skills to win games. They don't line up and run forty times and do the high jump, it's football. App state throttled you as well but only won by 5. You scored 2 late against us in garbage time, just like you did against APP... We rushed for 419 yards... That was more than you gave up in the previous 3 games combined...throttled

I thought your team was considered the better team, and were favored.

When did i say the were hands down better? That varies from team to team.

and lets not forget the elephant in the room that every one here is so quick to ignore, when discussing their recent performances, that being the effect of a half a decade of total coaching turmoil, and is still impacting their performance, because this roster of players is still not this staff's roster of players. It would have destroyed any other SBC team.

That they have won during this period is for one reason, they have had more talent than any team in the SBC on their roster during this period. That something that Malzahn, Harsin, and Anderson knew before taking the job, because the guy before each told them it was true, and they checked it out.

Freeze he did not find out until he got there.

I'm not gonna go back and look it up but I'll do a rough quote from you... Pretty sure this was your last post on here for a very long time...."stAte is hands down the more talented team and you will see that come Tuesday"... Game happened... Seminole Indian gone fur 10 months

(10-16-2015 11:13 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 10:35 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 10:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 09:22 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I think what Seminole Indian is trying to tell you is stAte players look the best in the shower. He didn't post here for a year after promising us we would see the talent gap at Cajun field... Then we throttled their ass.

Throttled? You won by 15 and gave up nearly 600 yards offense to AState and it was an 8 point game with 60 seconds left.

Gawd exaggerate much?

Game wasn't as close as the score and it's not near the exaggeration that stAte is hands down most talented in the belt. You don't play the game on paper, you don't get points for looking good in your uniform, I'd argue you don't have a lot of talent because they can't use their combine schools very well. Talent is actually performing and using your skills to win games. They don't line up and run forty times and do the high jump, it's football. App state throttled you as well but only won by 5. You scored 2 late against us in garbage time, just like you did against APP... We rushed for 419 yards... That was more than you gave up in the previous 3 games combined...throttled

No wonder Hud doesn't want to leave you goomers think that's a throttling he will never find a job in FBS where the fans set the bar that low.

As for the talent argument, if you are stupid enough to throw Seminoles words in my face my respect for you plumments.

And if Anderson can convince it wasn't an azz whipping by getting late garbage TD's then I guess we are in the same boat. I was at the game, I was never worried. I'm not a sunshine pumper, I'll tell you when we are lucky to win, I'll tell you when we suck and I'll tell you when we whip somebody. Prime example, I'm not impressed with what we did Saturday given the opponent history and they are the worst defense in the country. We did what we were supposed to, nothing more.

Can we stop responding to the broken record?

(10-16-2015 11:43 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Can we stop responding to the broken record?

It's UL-stAte week. Cajuns are n't really bright enough come up with any original thoughts. But we love 'em anyway.

State fans still buying into the narrative that they "have the most talent of any team in the Sun Belt". If you were the only team in the Sun Belt I might agree with you. I have a hard time seeing you as the most talented team in you're match-up this week.

(10-16-2015 02:32 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  State fans still buying into the narrative that they "have the most talent of any team in the Sun Belt". If you were the only team in the Sun Belt I might agree with you. I have a hard time seeing you as the most talented team in you're match-up this week.

We had 7 straight years of players being drafted in the NFL up until last year and Mckissic might make it 8 out of 9 years.

(10-16-2015 04:12 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 02:32 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  State fans still buying into the narrative that they "have the most talent of any team in the Sun Belt". If you were the only team in the Sun Belt I might agree with you. I have a hard time seeing you as the most talented team in you're match-up this week.

We had 7 straight years of players being drafted in the NFL up until last year and Mckissic might make it 8 out of 9 years.

You have 100+ other players who don't every year... We had Charles Tillman, Ike Taylor, Kyries Hebert and Antwan Spann in the same secondary and won 2 games. Ultimate team game. We had Dwight Bentley and Melvin White as starting DB's on the same team and went 3-9.

(10-16-2015 02:32 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  State fans still buying into the narrative that they "have the most talent of any team in the Sun Belt". If you were the only team in the Sun Belt I might agree with you. I have a hard time seeing you as the most talented team in you're match-up this week.

I thought I was the only one saying they had the most talented team in the SBC, and I'm not a State fan.

ULL does have a pretty talented roster of players, much better than the GaSo, and AppSt, but not as good a A-State.

AppSt, and GaSo are still middle of the pack in overall roster talent department in the SBC.

(10-16-2015 07:05 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 02:32 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  State fans still buying into the narrative that they "have the most talent of any team in the Sun Belt". If you were the only team in the Sun Belt I might agree with you. I have a hard time seeing you as the most talented team in you're match-up this week.

I thought I was the only one saying they had the most talented team in the SBC, and I'm not a State fan.

ULL does have a pretty talented roster of players, much better than the GaSo, and AppSt, but not as good a A-State.

AppSt, and GaSo are still middle of the pack in overall roster talent department in the SBC.

I wish we could get results like that with less talent.
What is it eighteen straight SBC wins for these two.

(10-16-2015 02:32 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  State fans still buying into the narrative that they "have the most talent of any team in the Sun Belt". If you were the only team in the Sun Belt I might agree with you. I have a hard time seeing you as the most talented team in you're match-up this week.

I just update who is on the rosters, and create spreadsheets with the player rankings provided, so I'm really not saying who I think has the best roster, because I have no way of ranking players, or teams.

I will post this article ranking every colleges last 4 year recruiting class again because it is not far off from this years roster talent rankings. That makes some sense.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...ball-teams

We have so many talented players that there just isn't enough time to get the ball to all of them because of all the 3 and outs.