(09-25-2015 07:15 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  Completely agree - I still feel comfortable about 9-3 actually. And while I wouldn't be thrilled with that outcome, I'll take it. It won't get me to the bowl game, but whatever.

8-4 or worse and Tubs will finally have to answer some questions. But I'm not throwing him out until the season's over.

He should have to answer tough questions now but he has a protective halo around him when it comes to the media covering UC.

(09-25-2015 07:28 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  And most of all of that experienced talent graduates this year. Woohoo.

Using the words "we will win at least 6 games" in a sentence this year relating to this roster is debilitatingly funny. Let's hear it for the Minter Administration.

Bar was set this year and the staff pulled up with a hammy on the approach and did not even get to attempt the vault.

The only reason that sentence was used was to argue against the ridiculous statements being made in here.

It may be a matter of interpretation, but I don't see either the Temple or the Memphis games as cases of being "beaten at the last minute." Rather, both games we were playing from behind as time wound down and failed to rally.

I have a similar issue with those who attempt to argue that the fate of the game came down to a single play or blown call from the officiating crew... The game was not lost on a single play or moment; it was lost through the culmination of A LOT of little factors. Convert just twice from inside the "red zone," instead of hitting FG's...we win. Stop Memphis just twice instead of surrendering 60+ yards plays...we win. Etc...

Niether of these games were really "snatched" from us as time expired.

Hey, with the expectations set so high, these results doesn't surprise me one bit. The key to the whole season was based on an improved defense, everyone knew the offense was going to be strong. Everyone hoped the defense would be an improvement over last year. Well surprise, the defense hasn't gotten any better, and quite frankly I think it's gotten worse. There are zero playmakers, very young and inexperienced. The front 7 is soft again, the backfield is a mess again with injuries. Myself, and many others here thought the defense would be at least serviceable to get UC to 9/10 wins. Boy, were we duped!

Looking at the schedule prior to the start of the season, the Memphis/Miami/BYU stretch was going to define the season - losing to Temple wasn't factored in. Everyone and their brother banked on being 3-0 heading into this stretch. There was a very good chance UC would lose all 3 of these games - now it's looking like a certainty.

BYU, Miami and @ Houston look like 3 sure losses. Anyone feel great this staff won't blow one more like @ ECU or @USF? And 6-6 doesn't guarantee a bowl game in this conference. Not that we should care if we even get picked for a bowl at 6-6.

(09-25-2015 07:31 AM)uccheese Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 07:28 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  And most of all of that experienced talent graduates this year. Woohoo.

Using the words "we will win at least 6 games" in a sentence this year relating to this roster is debilitatingly funny. Let's hear it for the Minter Administration.

Bar was set this year and the staff pulled up with a hammy on the approach and did not even get to attempt the vault.

The only reason that sentence was used was to argue against the ridiculous statements being made in here.

Fair enough. That sentence should have you pissed off, though. This is a hot mess.

(09-25-2015 07:32 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  It may be a matter of interpretation, but I don't see either the Temple or the Memphis games as cases of being "beaten at the last minute." Rather, both games we were playing from behind as time wound down and failed to rally.

I have a similar issue with those who attempt to argue that the fate of the game came down to a single play or blown call from the officiating crew... The game was not lost on a single play or moment; it was lost through the culmination of A LOT of little factors. Convert just twice from inside the "red zone," instead of hitting FG's...we win. Stop Memphis just twice instead of surrendering 60+ yards plays...we win. Etc...

Niether of these games were really "snatched" from us as time expired.

Good post Jerry

(09-25-2015 07:32 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  It may be a matter of interpretation, but I don't see either the Temple or the Memphis games as cases of being "beaten at the last minute." Rather, both games we were playing from behind as time wound down and failed to rally.

I have a similar issue with those who attempt to argue that the fate of the game came down to a single play or blown call from the officiating crew... The game was not lost on a single play or moment; it was lost through the culmination of A LOT of little factors. Convert just twice from inside the "red zone," instead of hitting FG's...we win. Stop Memphis just twice instead of surrendering 60+ yards plays...we win. Etc...

Niether of these games were really "snatched" from us as time expired.

I believe there were 11 lead changes in the UC / Memphis game last night. We were only playing from behind as time winded down because of an atrocious overturned call. Seriously...there was enough to call it a fumble even if he was called down on the field. You can clearly see both knees up as the ball comes out.

I will be rooting for any team that plays Memphis the rest of the year.

Rath-

You calling off work today?

For what a quality poster you have been over the years it's a shame watching you the last few weeks

We get it you don't like TT and his staff

(09-25-2015 08:14 AM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  Rath-

You calling off work today?

For what a quality poster you have been over the years it's a shame watching you the last few weeks

We get it you don't like TT and his staff

In a seminar all day at the Covington Convention Center for the Kentucky Bar Association. Thanks for your concern, though.

I get it, you don't want the lights turned on in the kitchen to show the water bugs scurrying around when it comes to this staff and the job they are doing. Better get used to it or get a thicker skin. They are going to get it from both barrels from an increasingly large portion of the fanbase in the coming weeks.

This feels a lot like the Minter years. At the same time, I actually expect UC to win next Thursday night. I hate it when the officials decide the game, no reason to overturn the fumble. I love UC football but I am getting tired of football as a sport. Horrible refs, too many injuries, four hour games, and a culture the encourages gambling and drinking.

I would take 7-5 or 8-4 in a minute this season. Let Moore build confidence the rest of the season and get bowl game experience. I am not as down on the coaching staff as some are but there are still plenty of issues. For the most part the offenses UC will see this season are light years better than the offenses UC saw during the Big East years.

(09-25-2015 08:21 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:14 AM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  Rath-

You calling off work today?

For what a quality poster you have been over the years it's a shame watching you the last few weeks

We get it you don't like TT and his staff

In a seminar all day at the Covington Convention Center for the Kentucky Bar Association. Thanks for your concern, though.

I get it, you don't want the lights turned on in the kitchen to show the water bugs scurrying around when it comes to this staff and the job they are doing. Better get used to it or get a thicker skin. They are going to get it from both barrels from an increasingly large portion of the fanbase in the coming weeks.

No

You and Bearcats1 have made this board unbearable to read the last few weeks. Great company

Oh stop. You are better than that.

(09-25-2015 03:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  (see the 69 pts they put up on Rutgers)

It's ok, I'll pass on that

I admit I thought Rath was a bit heavy handed against CTT. But I have come around to his way of thinking. The year UC gets picked to win conference and they lay 0-2 eggs. Penalties out the ass. Special teams ...horrendous. Defense has not improved one lick. I keep hearing they say they needed to upgrade talent and speed and each recruiting class I hear they did. But I watch guys and we don't look fast and we look stiff and we can't cover anything. Payne doesn't look as good as he did 2 years ago.

Someone mentioned Strong. I hope Texas cans him. That guy could come in here and clean up. He could recruit cincinnati finally like BK was on verge of doing. Florida too.

But where do you find $5mm or whatever to get rid of Tuberville?

Damn shame that 4 games in and your season is essentially shot. Market that and sell out Nippert. Good luck.

(09-25-2015 09:11 AM)50Cent Wrote:  I admit I thought Rath was a bit heavy handed against CTT. But I have come around to his way of thinking.

Coming around to his way of thinking and posting it multiple times in multiple threads are two different things.

I sort of agree with Hoops here - to an extent. I've loved reading Rath's takes over the last decade I've been a member here - in fact, I think you're one of the best posters on this forum. But trust me, we get how you feel.

No one has to take my advice (obviously) - I'll keep reading no matter how often you post the same stuff over and over in every thread.

(09-25-2015 09:11 AM)50Cent Wrote:  I admit I thought Rath was a bit heavy handed against CTT. But I have come around to his way of thinking. The year UC gets picked to win conference and they lay 0-2 eggs. Penalties out the ass. Special teams ...horrendous. Defense has not improved one lick. I keep hearing they say they needed to upgrade talent and speed and each recruiting class I hear they did. But I watch guys and we don't look fast and we look stiff and we can't cover anything. Payne doesn't look as good as he did 2 years ago.

Someone mentioned Strong. I hope Texas cans him. That guy could come in here and clean up. He could recruit cincinnati finally like BK was on verge of doing. Florida too.

But where do you find $5mm or whatever to get rid of Tuberville?

Damn shame that 4 games in and your season is essentially shot. Market that and sell out Nippert. Good luck.

I worry about ticket holders not showing up period. It's one thing to sell the rest of the tickets, which may be a bit harder now. It's another to get people to commit their time which is even sadder.

I have previously voiced my internal conflict when it comes to cheering for football, much less teams that rep schools I love. Anyway, this is a song I hear in the shower sometimes when I have a moment away from my toddlers, which is not every shower.

I trade out yoko for tubby when I sing it in the shower sometimes.

(09-25-2015 09:19 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 09:11 AM)50Cent Wrote:  I admit I thought Rath was a bit heavy handed against CTT. But I have come around to his way of thinking.

Coming around to his way of thinking and posting it multiple times in multiple threads are two different things.

I sort of agree with Hoops here - to an extent. I've loved reading Rath's takes over the last decade I've been a member here - in fact, I think you're one of the best posters on this forum. But trust me, we get how you feel.

No one has to take my advice (obviously) - I'll keep reading no matter how often you post the same stuff over and over in every thread.

I'll back off. But I won't stop being brutally honest when warranted until problems are corrected and things change for the better.

I thought hiring a friend on a phone call offer to back up the brinks truck out of the blue without interviewing him or anybody else for that matter was a really bad idea destined to lead to problems. Hoops is in the recruiting business. I'm in the law business. If one of our corporate clients proposed to do that we'd tell them to have their dang heads examined.

I like Tommy. I've met him personally. He's a great ambassador for the city and school. He is a good human being.

He said when he was hired that the past staffs had done an excellent job getting things moving up but that he was going to take it to the next level. That is the expectation. He's failed to meet that expectation nearly every time he's been given the opportunity on the big stage against decent opponents. 30 games in, the team somehow finds wierd ways to lose games they should have won. I've given my opinion as to why that is.

And any issues with the guys he has hired land squarely at his feet. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.