(09-17-2015 04:32 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 08:51 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:32 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Steve Patterson has resigned. So UT now has to do another search for an AD.

So many unknown unknowns from 40 Acres.

Actually there is one thing that can be derived from all these unknowns. There is internal conflict of some proportion over the future direction of Longhorn sports. They just haven't been as vocal about it publicly as the Oklahoma crowd has been. I'd say the PAC option for Texas is very remote now and that the SEC while still unlikely is in the mix of discussion. "Big 10 or ACC?" may be the more pertinent question. We'll wait and see.

The larger part of Patterson's dismissal should have been the treatment of UT fans and BMDs. Realignment/B12's future should be a very faint thought in this process.

That's called a cover story. When you are Athletic Director and you wholeheartedly wish to lead the University in a direction that most others do not wish to go in, then you are going to have strife and conflict arise. The strife and conflict is but a symptom of the actual problem. Pointing at what you are pointing at is like a doctor pointing at a symptom and saying that is what needs to be fixed.

Patterson had major philosophical differences in regards to the literal direction that he wanted to take The University of Texas. I am guessing that the previous President may have shared some of his views. Most of the money folk though, they absolutely stood against going West. Most of them also stand against going to the SEC. In that regard, Big Money and Academia are in lockstep together.

Patterson was in over his head. Not a big deal for him, he will land on his feet. He is the hatchet man, guys like him area always in demand.

The announcement of the new interim AD at Texas signals a change of directions. A coolness toward the PAC has now set in, and an intentional warming to Oklahoma position is now beginning. Together the two might be able to work for dissolution.

It will be interesting to watch developments going forward.

(09-16-2015 08:51 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:32 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Steve Patterson has resigned. So UT now has to do another search for an AD.

So many unknown unknowns from 40 Acres.

Actually there is one thing that can be derived from all these unknowns. There is internal conflict of some proportion over the future direction of Longhorn sports. They just haven't been as vocal about it publicly as the Oklahoma crowd has been. I'd say the PAC option for Texas is very remote now and that the SEC while still unlikely is in the mix of discussion. "Big 10 or ACC?" may be the more pertinent question. We'll wait and see.

If that is their choice then I think the considerations for some of the other Texas schools would lead them to the ACC. Particularly, the fate of the B12 private schools like Baylor. The ACC would be more open to a school like Baylor or TCU in exchange for folding the LHN into the ACCN. That's assuming Oklahoma gets into the SEC with OSU.

OU, OSU -> SEC
Tech, Houston, Kansas, Iowa State -> PAC
UT, Baylor, West Virginia -> ACC

That's eight schools necessary to dissolve the B12.

Oh, and before anyone chimes in with a disagreement it's just dining-table-napkin stuff. Your world doesn't end today.

(09-18-2015 12:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The announcement of the new interim AD at Texas signals a change of directions. A coolness toward the PAC has now set in, and an intentional warming to Oklahoma position is now beginning. Together the two might be able to work for dissolution.

It will be interesting to watch developments going forward.

I agree, it seems that way to me

Been off the boards the last few months, any idea when we could realistically start to see some more movement here? We are still several years away with the GOR correct?

The GoR may be a few years away but the meetings for new divisional rules are coming in April so.....

(09-18-2015 06:44 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 12:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The announcement of the new interim AD at Texas signals a change of directions. A coolness toward the PAC has now set in, and an intentional warming to Oklahoma position is now beginning. Together the two might be able to work for dissolution.

It will be interesting to watch developments going forward.

I agree, it seems that way to me

Been off the boards the last few months, any idea when we could realistically start to see some more movement here? We are still several years away with the GOR correct?

After 2016 season when B1G gets their new contract.That is probably the first time you will see anything. They will surely put in a clause to reassess the contract if they expand.

If the SEC wants the jewels...they need to strike first. Waiting on the other 3 conferences to make the first move is a mistake when taking from the Big 12.

ACC is a different story...but for the Big 12...strike first.

So much of this depends upon the B1G's new contract.

(09-18-2015 12:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The announcement of the new interim AD at Texas signals a change of directions. A coolness toward the PAC has now set in, and an intentional warming to Oklahoma position is now beginning. Together the two might be able to work for dissolution.

It will be interesting to watch developments going forward.

From another board, not me.

ESPN and the ACC have made tremendous progress on the structure and contract regarding an ACC Network. Would not be surprised if you see a press conference involving the ACC Network in and around the ACC Championship game. Notre Dame has been actively involved in the ACC Network negotiations, so also would not be surprised to see a renegotiation of the ACC-ESPN television contract.

A few notes on the Longhorn Network, which explains why Texas will NEVER join the PAC 12, SEC, or BIG Ten;
ESPN pays Texas 11 million per year beginning in 2011, with a 3% increase each season until ESPN makes its investment back. Then Texas receives 50% of all revenue.
Longhorn Network Contract prevent Texas from being a part of any other network until 2031.

The only option for Texas in realignment is joining the ACC under a similar agreement as Notre Dame currently has in place. Texas sees itself and can justify itself as a Notre Dame on the National stage. Texas is far more like Notre Dame than they are Ohio State or USC or Alabama, and that is how they feel. So point here is any shake up in the Big 12 will result in Texas going independent in football and moving Olympic Sports to the ACC, and the ACC will welcome them with open arms! On that note Oklahoma is not happy, and unless the Big 12 expands and adds its own network, Oklahoma will leave, and the GOR will not stop Oklahoma. Which is why their is enormous pressure on the Big 12 Expansion Committee to design an expansion solution that has long term benefits for Oklahoma and others within the Big 12. This is why I believe in the end that expansion design will be two phased with (4) schools over 5 years, and the Big 12 will eventually be the Big 14. Should expansion not occur, then the Big 12 dissolves and a new conference will form (as Coach Tubs has mentioned in the past). A new conference will include Big leftovers, who did not join other P5 conferences, along with AAC and MWC members.

My personal opinion, is that the Big 12 will dissolve, too many differences to unify them for expansion. Texas will join the ACC in Olympic Sports and be independent in Football, as is Notre Dame. Kansas and Oklahoma will move to the Big Ten. While the PAC 12 in collusion with the Big 10 moves to add (2) schools from TCU, Baylor, and Texas TECH, as well as Oklahoma State, and Kansas St. This collusion effort helps both conferences in cross-alignment. The SEC has no interest in remaining Big 12 members, nor does the ACC, as there is no financial benefit to either. I believe the remaining Big 12 schools, some ACC members, MWC members, and BYU form a new national conference, and yes this conference will be a P5 Conference. At this point the FBS splits, and you see the NCAA reorganize as follows;
FBS
FBS-IA
FCS - Several FCS schools move up to FBS-IA, which leads to new conferences, and new revenue for broadcasters.

(09-18-2015 01:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 12:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The announcement of the new interim AD at Texas signals a change of directions. A coolness toward the PAC has now set in, and an intentional warming to Oklahoma position is now beginning. Together the two might be able to work for dissolution.

It will be interesting to watch developments going forward.

From another board, not me.

ESPN and the ACC have made tremendous progress on the structure and contract regarding an ACC Network. Would not be surprised if you see a press conference involving the ACC Network in and around the ACC Championship game. Notre Dame has been actively involved in the ACC Network negotiations, so also would not be surprised to see a renegotiation of the ACC-ESPN television contract.

A few notes on the Longhorn Network, which explains why Texas will NEVER join the PAC 12, SEC, or BIG Ten;
ESPN pays Texas 11 million per year beginning in 2011, with a 3% increase each season until ESPN makes its investment back. Then Texas receives 50% of all revenue.
Longhorn Network Contract prevent Texas from being a part of any other network until 2031.

The only option for Texas in realignment is joining the ACC under a similar agreement as Notre Dame currently has in place. Texas sees itself and can justify itself as a Notre Dame on the National stage. Texas is far more like Notre Dame than they are Ohio State or USC or Alabama, and that is how they feel. So point here is any shake up in the Big 12 will result in Texas going independent in football and moving Olympic Sports to the ACC, and the ACC will welcome them with open arms! On that note Oklahoma is not happy, and unless the Big 12 expands and adds its own network, Oklahoma will leave, and the GOR will not stop Oklahoma. Which is why their is enormous pressure on the Big 12 Expansion Committee to design an expansion solution that has long term benefits for Oklahoma and others within the Big 12. This is why I believe in the end that expansion design will be two phased with (4) schools over 5 years, and the Big 12 will eventually be the Big 14. Should expansion not occur, then the Big 12 dissolves and a new conference will form (as Coach Tubs has mentioned in the past). A new conference will include Big leftovers, who did not join other P5 conferences, along with AAC and MWC members.

My personal opinion, is that the Big 12 will dissolve, too many differences to unify them for expansion. Texas will join the ACC in Olympic Sports and be independent in Football, as is Notre Dame. Kansas and Oklahoma will move to the Big Ten. While the PAC 12 in collusion with the Big 10 moves to add (2) schools from TCU, Baylor, and Texas TECH, as well as Oklahoma State, and Kansas St. This collusion effort helps both conferences in cross-alignment. The SEC has no interest in remaining Big 12 members, nor does the ACC, as there is no financial benefit to either. I believe the remaining Big 12 schools, some ACC members, MWC members, and BYU form a new national conference, and yes this conference will be a P5 Conference. At this point the FBS splits, and you see the NCAA reorganize as follows;
FBS
FBS-IA
FCS - Several FCS schools move up to FBS-IA, which leads to new conferences, and new revenue for broadcasters.

Interesting

(09-18-2015 01:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 12:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The announcement of the new interim AD at Texas signals a change of directions. A coolness toward the PAC has now set in, and an intentional warming to Oklahoma position is now beginning. Together the two might be able to work for dissolution.

It will be interesting to watch developments going forward.

From another board, not me.

ESPN and the ACC have made tremendous progress on the structure and contract regarding an ACC Network. Would not be surprised if you see a press conference involving the ACC Network in and around the ACC Championship game. Notre Dame has been actively involved in the ACC Network negotiations, so also would not be surprised to see a renegotiation of the ACC-ESPN television contract.

A few notes on the Longhorn Network, which explains why Texas will NEVER join the PAC 12, SEC, or BIG Ten;
ESPN pays Texas 11 million per year beginning in 2011, with a 3% increase each season until ESPN makes its investment back. Then Texas receives 50% of all revenue.
Longhorn Network Contract prevent Texas from being a part of any other network until 2031.

The only option for Texas in realignment is joining the ACC under a similar agreement as Notre Dame currently has in place. Texas sees itself and can justify itself as a Notre Dame on the National stage. Texas is far more like Notre Dame than they are Ohio State or USC or Alabama, and that is how they feel. So point here is any shake up in the Big 12 will result in Texas going independent in football and moving Olympic Sports to the ACC, and the ACC will welcome them with open arms! On that note Oklahoma is not happy, and unless the Big 12 expands and adds its own network, Oklahoma will leave, and the GOR will not stop Oklahoma. Which is why their is enormous pressure on the Big 12 Expansion Committee to design an expansion solution that has long term benefits for Oklahoma and others within the Big 12. This is why I believe in the end that expansion design will be two phased with (4) schools over 5 years, and the Big 12 will eventually be the Big 14. Should expansion not occur, then the Big 12 dissolves and a new conference will form (as Coach Tubs has mentioned in the past). A new conference will include Big leftovers, who did not join other P5 conferences, along with AAC and MWC members.

My personal opinion, is that the Big 12 will dissolve, too many differences to unify them for expansion. Texas will join the ACC in Olympic Sports and be independent in Football, as is Notre Dame. Kansas and Oklahoma will move to the Big Ten. While the PAC 12 in collusion with the Big 10 moves to add (2) schools from TCU, Baylor, and Texas TECH, as well as Oklahoma State, and Kansas St. This collusion effort helps both conferences in cross-alignment. The SEC has no interest in remaining Big 12 members, nor does the ACC, as there is no financial benefit to either. I believe the remaining Big 12 schools, some ACC members, MWC members, and BYU form a new national conference, and yes this conference will be a P5 Conference. At this point the FBS splits, and you see the NCAA reorganize as follows;
FBS
FBS-IA
FCS - Several FCS schools move up to FBS-IA, which leads to new conferences, and new revenue for broadcasters.

Neat perspective. Can you post the link?

(09-18-2015 01:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  From another board, not me.

My personal opinion, is that the Big 12 will dissolve, too many differences to unify them for expansion. Texas will join the ACC in Olympic Sports and be independent in Football, as is Notre Dame. Kansas and Oklahoma will move to the Big Ten. While the PAC 12 in collusion with the Big 10 moves to add (2) schools from TCU, Baylor, and Texas TECH, as well as Oklahoma State, and Kansas St. This collusion effort helps both conferences in cross-alignment. The SEC has no interest in remaining Big 12 members, nor does the ACC, as there is no financial benefit to either. I believe the remaining Big 12 schools, some ACC members, MWC members, and BYU form a new national conference, and yes this conference will be a P5 Conference. At this point the FBS splits, and you see the NCAA reorganize as follows;
FBS
FBS-IA
FCS - Several FCS schools move up to FBS-IA, which leads to new conferences, and new revenue for broadcasters.

Would need 75% of members, 8 members, to vote for dissolution in order to break up the conference and maintain TV rights/break the GOR.

Only lists Texas->ACC, Kansas & OU-->B1G, and two more to PAC. That's only 5 teams and lots of lawsuits and lost TV revenues for that blunder. If the ACC added 3 or 4 B12 schools as full members, this dissolution would work.

Just a dinner-table-napkin write-up of what a new conference of leftovers might look like:

UConn
Temple
ECU
WVU
USF
UCF

Cincinnati
Memphis
TCU
Baylor
SMU
Iowa State

BYU
Boise State
Colorado State
New Mexico
Utah State
Wyoming

Nevada
Hawaii
Fresno State
San Diego State
San Jose State
UNLV


If this new conference is a P5, as the previous poster said, then I think there wouldn't necessarily be lawsuits. Houston could join the PAC with Texas Tech, Okie State and K-State, as the PAC would prefer public schools to private schools.

Obviously this list could be paired down but to better accommodate a split I think a good number of programs need to be included.

(09-18-2015 05:24 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 01:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  From another board, not me.

My personal opinion, is that the Big 12 will dissolve, too many differences to unify them for expansion. Texas will join the ACC in Olympic Sports and be independent in Football, as is Notre Dame. Kansas and Oklahoma will move to the Big Ten. While the PAC 12 in collusion with the Big 10 moves to add (2) schools from TCU, Baylor, and Texas TECH, as well as Oklahoma State, and Kansas St. This collusion effort helps both conferences in cross-alignment. The SEC has no interest in remaining Big 12 members, nor does the ACC, as there is no financial benefit to either. I believe the remaining Big 12 schools, some ACC members, MWC members, and BYU form a new national conference, and yes this conference will be a P5 Conference. At this point the FBS splits, and you see the NCAA reorganize as follows;
FBS
FBS-IA
FCS - Several FCS schools move up to FBS-IA, which leads to new conferences, and new revenue for broadcasters.

Would need 75% of members, 8 members, to vote for dissolution in order to break up the conference and maintain TV rights/break the GOR.

Only lists Texas->ACC, Kansas & OU-->B1G, and two more to PAC. That's only 5 teams and lots of lawsuits and lost TV revenues for that blunder. If the ACC added 3 or 4 B12 schools as full members, this dissolution would work.

Typo above, AAC.

I think for it to work the TV people/Bowl people have to make whole the
remaining Big 12 leftovers with the merger of whatever schools. Big 12 leftovers keep bball tourney credits also. They remain P5 in football. If not then yeah plenty of work to keep some law firms real busy.

(09-18-2015 05:11 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 01:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 12:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The announcement of the new interim AD at Texas signals a change of directions. A coolness toward the PAC has now set in, and an intentional warming to Oklahoma position is now beginning. Together the two might be able to work for dissolution.

It will be interesting to watch developments going forward.

From another board, not me.

ESPN and the ACC have made tremendous progress on the structure and contract regarding an ACC Network. Would not be surprised if you see a press conference involving the ACC Network in and around the ACC Championship game. Notre Dame has been actively involved in the ACC Network negotiations, so also would not be surprised to see a renegotiation of the ACC-ESPN television contract.

A few notes on the Longhorn Network, which explains why Texas will NEVER join the PAC 12, SEC, or BIG Ten;
ESPN pays Texas 11 million per year beginning in 2011, with a 3% increase each season until ESPN makes its investment back. Then Texas receives 50% of all revenue.
Longhorn Network Contract prevent Texas from being a part of any other network until 2031.

The only option for Texas in realignment is joining the ACC under a similar agreement as Notre Dame currently has in place. Texas sees itself and can justify itself as a Notre Dame on the National stage. Texas is far more like Notre Dame than they are Ohio State or USC or Alabama, and that is how they feel. So point here is any shake up in the Big 12 will result in Texas going independent in football and moving Olympic Sports to the ACC, and the ACC will welcome them with open arms! On that note Oklahoma is not happy, and unless the Big 12 expands and adds its own network, Oklahoma will leave, and the GOR will not stop Oklahoma. Which is why their is enormous pressure on the Big 12 Expansion Committee to design an expansion solution that has long term benefits for Oklahoma and others within the Big 12. This is why I believe in the end that expansion design will be two phased with (4) schools over 5 years, and the Big 12 will eventually be the Big 14. Should expansion not occur, then the Big 12 dissolves and a new conference will form (as Coach Tubs has mentioned in the past). A new conference will include Big leftovers, who did not join other P5 conferences, along with AAC and MWC members.

My personal opinion, is that the Big 12 will dissolve, too many differences to unify them for expansion. Texas will join the ACC in Olympic Sports and be independent in Football, as is Notre Dame. Kansas and Oklahoma will move to the Big Ten. While the PAC 12 in collusion with the Big 10 moves to add (2) schools from TCU, Baylor, and Texas TECH, as well as Oklahoma State, and Kansas St. This collusion effort helps both conferences in cross-alignment. The SEC has no interest in remaining Big 12 members, nor does the ACC, as there is no financial benefit to either. I believe the remaining Big 12 schools, some ACC members, MWC members, and BYU form a new national conference, and yes this conference will be a P5 Conference. At this point the FBS splits, and you see the NCAA reorganize as follows;
FBS
FBS-IA
FCS - Several FCS schools move up to FBS-IA, which leads to new conferences, and new revenue for broadcasters.

Neat perspective. Can you post the link?

Neat perspective? It is basically my concept with a little more weight thrown in the PAC's direction while saying the SEC and ACC stay put.

It's not that great of an idea considering the person made silly changes to a solid concept that they most assuredly saw here.....by me.

(09-18-2015 01:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 12:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The announcement of the new interim AD at Texas signals a change of directions. A coolness toward the PAC has now set in, and an intentional warming to Oklahoma position is now beginning. Together the two might be able to work for dissolution.

It will be interesting to watch developments going forward.

From another board, not me.

ESPN and the ACC have made tremendous progress on the structure and contract regarding an ACC Network. Would not be surprised if you see a press conference involving the ACC Network in and around the ACC Championship game. Notre Dame has been actively involved in the ACC Network negotiations, so also would not be surprised to see a renegotiation of the ACC-ESPN television contract.

A few notes on the Longhorn Network, which explains why Texas will NEVER join the PAC 12, SEC, or BIG Ten;
ESPN pays Texas 11 million per year beginning in 2011, with a 3% increase each season until ESPN makes its investment back. Then Texas receives 50% of all revenue.
Longhorn Network Contract prevent Texas from being a part of any other network until 2031.

The only option for Texas in realignment is joining the ACC under a similar agreement as Notre Dame currently has in place. Texas sees itself and can justify itself as a Notre Dame on the National stage. Texas is far more like Notre Dame than they are Ohio State or USC or Alabama, and that is how they feel. So point here is any shake up in the Big 12 will result in Texas going independent in football and moving Olympic Sports to the ACC, and the ACC will welcome them with open arms! On that note Oklahoma is not happy, and unless the Big 12 expands and adds its own network, Oklahoma will leave, and the GOR will not stop Oklahoma. Which is why their is enormous pressure on the Big 12 Expansion Committee to design an expansion solution that has long term benefits for Oklahoma and others within the Big 12. This is why I believe in the end that expansion design will be two phased with (4) schools over 5 years, and the Big 12 will eventually be the Big 14. Should expansion not occur, then the Big 12 dissolves and a new conference will form (as Coach Tubs has mentioned in the past). A new conference will include Big leftovers, who did not join other P5 conferences, along with AAC and MWC members.

My personal opinion, is that the Big 12 will dissolve, too many differences to unify them for expansion. Texas will join the ACC in Olympic Sports and be independent in Football, as is Notre Dame. Kansas and Oklahoma will move to the Big Ten. While the PAC 12 in collusion with the Big 10 moves to add (2) schools from TCU, Baylor, and Texas TECH, as well as Oklahoma State, and Kansas St. This collusion effort helps both conferences in cross-alignment. The SEC has no interest in remaining Big 12 members, nor does the ACC, as there is no financial benefit to either. I believe the remaining Big 12 schools, some ACC members, MWC members, and BYU form a new national conference, and yes this conference will be a P5 Conference. At this point the FBS splits, and you see the NCAA reorganize as follows;
FBS
FBS-IA
FCS - Several FCS schools move up to FBS-IA, which leads to new conferences, and new revenue for broadcasters.

I've read all of that before and it has been posted on more than one board. Here is why I do not believe a word of it.

1. Texas is beholden to ESPN. However, ESPN has conditions that permit it buy out the LHN early. Should Texas move to the ACC I seriously doubt it would be for a hybrid deal. And the most assuredly would want traveling companions from closer to home. Why on both counts?

ESPN might morph the LHN into another network but they aren't going to pay Texas what will eventually be closer to 15 million a year for what they are getting out of it now. By morphing it into another network the new profits could simply be withheld at say $1 million a year per school from what would be an already major boost in revenue until the LHN is paid for. As an independent Texas would want to keep the LHN revenue stream and get paid by the new conference for the 5 or whatever number of games was agreed upon. That's not going to be well received by the F.S.U. & Clemson's of the world and it's not going to happen.

Secondly Texas is going to have to have some games closer to home before they agree to anything. Baylor or T.C.U. at a minimum along with one or two more at a minimum would be required. Required not only to make Texas feel at home but required to obtain the 8 votes to dissolve, otherwise it's 5 or 6 years before change can happen.

So the whole thing is a non starter.

Then there is the obvious Big 10 homer flavor of this. There is no way Oklahoma moves to the Big 10 without Texas. Their fans know it, their faculty knows it, and their big money donors sure as hell know it. Texas is the minimum requirement for the Sooners to head North, not Kansas. Then there is a little brother issue. If Texas takes the Pokes along with them it creates problems in scheduling if the Sooners want to play both annually. There is no way the Big 10 is taking OSU and there sure as hell isn't anyway the SEC helps the Big 10 do that by taking OSU alone.

The only way this happens is if some version of Texahoma to the ACC happens and Texas and Notre Dame go all in for the ACCN. Then they have something worth having.

And then my friends N.C. State and Virginia Tech move to the SEC to make it happen.

I could see Texas and Baylor and Oklahoma and Oklahoma State forming their own 4 school Western Division of the ACC. Or your can pick the two that would travel with them if you like, but it will be something like that if it is to ever happen.

Kansas may well go to the Big 10 but it won't be with Oklahoma.

Now what I've laid out I laid out 3 years ago when it was seriously on the table for the SEC and ACC. But somebody will have to pay the PAC to take Texas Tech, T.C.U., Kansas State and Iowa State to make it happen. And that I don't see. Neither do I see the GOR being challenged by fewer than eight as it would be tremendously expensive if it were upheld otherwise.

Blah blah blah, The SEC isn't as powerful as you want to believe nor are they the destination you want to portray the conference as. The money that these schools make from sports is considerable but its just a small part of what defines the school.

The people that run Oklahoma do not prefer the SEC over The Big Ten, period.

Virginia Tech already said they don't want to join the SEC. You are delusional.

(09-18-2015 09:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Blah blah blah, The SEC isn't as powerful as you want to believe nor are they the destination you want to portray the conference as. The money that these schools make from sports is considerable but its just a small part of what defines the school.

The people that run Oklahoma do not prefer the SEC over The Big Ten, period.

Virginia Tech already said they don't want to join the SEC. You are delusional.

No H1 you've run amok with your opinions and fantasies for so long I'm afraid you're the one that has become delusional. Anyway we'll see. And for the record Va Tech had completed discussions in 2010 when the plug was pulled for them. The rest is just a cover story. So keep guessing and dreaming.

(09-18-2015 06:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 05:11 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 01:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 12:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The announcement of the new interim AD at Texas signals a change of directions. A coolness toward the PAC has now set in, and an intentional warming to Oklahoma position is now beginning. Together the two might be able to work for dissolution.

It will be interesting to watch developments going forward.

From another board, not me.

ESPN and the ACC have made tremendous progress on the structure and contract regarding an ACC Network. Would not be surprised if you see a press conference involving the ACC Network in and around the ACC Championship game. Notre Dame has been actively involved in the ACC Network negotiations, so also would not be surprised to see a renegotiation of the ACC-ESPN television contract.

A few notes on the Longhorn Network, which explains why Texas will NEVER join the PAC 12, SEC, or BIG Ten;
ESPN pays Texas 11 million per year beginning in 2011, with a 3% increase each season until ESPN makes its investment back. Then Texas receives 50% of all revenue.
Longhorn Network Contract prevent Texas from being a part of any other network until 2031.

The only option for Texas in realignment is joining the ACC under a similar agreement as Notre Dame currently has in place. Texas sees itself and can justify itself as a Notre Dame on the National stage. Texas is far more like Notre Dame than they are Ohio State or USC or Alabama, and that is how they feel. So point here is any shake up in the Big 12 will result in Texas going independent in football and moving Olympic Sports to the ACC, and the ACC will welcome them with open arms! On that note Oklahoma is not happy, and unless the Big 12 expands and adds its own network, Oklahoma will leave, and the GOR will not stop Oklahoma. Which is why their is enormous pressure on the Big 12 Expansion Committee to design an expansion solution that has long term benefits for Oklahoma and others within the Big 12. This is why I believe in the end that expansion design will be two phased with (4) schools over 5 years, and the Big 12 will eventually be the Big 14. Should expansion not occur, then the Big 12 dissolves and a new conference will form (as Coach Tubs has mentioned in the past). A new conference will include Big leftovers, who did not join other P5 conferences, along with AAC and MWC members.

My personal opinion, is that the Big 12 will dissolve, too many differences to unify them for expansion. Texas will join the ACC in Olympic Sports and be independent in Football, as is Notre Dame. Kansas and Oklahoma will move to the Big Ten. While the PAC 12 in collusion with the Big 10 moves to add (2) schools from TCU, Baylor, and Texas TECH, as well as Oklahoma State, and Kansas St. This collusion effort helps both conferences in cross-alignment. The SEC has no interest in remaining Big 12 members, nor does the ACC, as there is no financial benefit to either. I believe the remaining Big 12 schools, some ACC members, MWC members, and BYU form a new national conference, and yes this conference will be a P5 Conference. At this point the FBS splits, and you see the NCAA reorganize as follows;
FBS
FBS-IA
FCS - Several FCS schools move up to FBS-IA, which leads to new conferences, and new revenue for broadcasters.

Neat perspective. Can you post the link?

Neat perspective? It is basically my concept with a little more weight thrown in the PAC's direction while saying the SEC and ACC stay put.

It's not that great of an idea considering the person made silly changes to a solid concept that they most assuredly saw here.....by me.

That's why I want the link.

(09-18-2015 09:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 09:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Blah blah blah, The SEC isn't as powerful as you want to believe nor are they the destination you want to portray the conference as. The money that these schools make from sports is considerable but its just a small part of what defines the school.

The people that run Oklahoma do not prefer the SEC over The Big Ten, period.

Virginia Tech already said they don't want to join the SEC. You are delusional.

No H1 you've run amok with your opinions and fantasies for so long I'm afraid you're the one that has become delusional. Anyway we'll see. And for the record Va Tech had completed discussions in 2010 when the plug was pulled for them. The rest is just a cover story. So keep guessing and dreaming.

Right...right, MY fantasies. Sure thing Mr. Tyrant.

(09-18-2015 09:53 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 06:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 05:11 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 01:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 12:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The announcement of the new interim AD at Texas signals a change of directions. A coolness toward the PAC has now set in, and an intentional warming to Oklahoma position is now beginning. Together the two might be able to work for dissolution.

It will be interesting to watch developments going forward.

From another board, not me.

ESPN and the ACC have made tremendous progress on the structure and contract regarding an ACC Network. Would not be surprised if you see a press conference involving the ACC Network in and around the ACC Championship game. Notre Dame has been actively involved in the ACC Network negotiations, so also would not be surprised to see a renegotiation of the ACC-ESPN television contract.

A few notes on the Longhorn Network, which explains why Texas will NEVER join the PAC 12, SEC, or BIG Ten;
ESPN pays Texas 11 million per year beginning in 2011, with a 3% increase each season until ESPN makes its investment back. Then Texas receives 50% of all revenue.
Longhorn Network Contract prevent Texas from being a part of any other network until 2031.

The only option for Texas in realignment is joining the ACC under a similar agreement as Notre Dame currently has in place. Texas sees itself and can justify itself as a Notre Dame on the National stage. Texas is far more like Notre Dame than they are Ohio State or USC or Alabama, and that is how they feel. So point here is any shake up in the Big 12 will result in Texas going independent in football and moving Olympic Sports to the ACC, and the ACC will welcome them with open arms! On that note Oklahoma is not happy, and unless the Big 12 expands and adds its own network, Oklahoma will leave, and the GOR will not stop Oklahoma. Which is why their is enormous pressure on the Big 12 Expansion Committee to design an expansion solution that has long term benefits for Oklahoma and others within the Big 12. This is why I believe in the end that expansion design will be two phased with (4) schools over 5 years, and the Big 12 will eventually be the Big 14. Should expansion not occur, then the Big 12 dissolves and a new conference will form (as Coach Tubs has mentioned in the past). A new conference will include Big leftovers, who did not join other P5 conferences, along with AAC and MWC members.

My personal opinion, is that the Big 12 will dissolve, too many differences to unify them for expansion. Texas will join the ACC in Olympic Sports and be independent in Football, as is Notre Dame. Kansas and Oklahoma will move to the Big Ten. While the PAC 12 in collusion with the Big 10 moves to add (2) schools from TCU, Baylor, and Texas TECH, as well as Oklahoma State, and Kansas St. This collusion effort helps both conferences in cross-alignment. The SEC has no interest in remaining Big 12 members, nor does the ACC, as there is no financial benefit to either. I believe the remaining Big 12 schools, some ACC members, MWC members, and BYU form a new national conference, and yes this conference will be a P5 Conference. At this point the FBS splits, and you see the NCAA reorganize as follows;
FBS
FBS-IA
FCS - Several FCS schools move up to FBS-IA, which leads to new conferences, and new revenue for broadcasters.

Neat perspective. Can you post the link?

Neat perspective? It is basically my concept with a little more weight thrown in the PAC's direction while saying the SEC and ACC stay put.

It's not that great of an idea considering the person made silly changes to a solid concept that they most assuredly saw here.....by me.

That's why I want the link.

Yeah, I said he should quote whomever said such or else it IS his statement and it is simply HIM trying to piggyback off my concept without having the guts to say as much.

(09-18-2015 09:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Blah blah blah, The SEC isn't as powerful as you want to believe nor are they the destination you want to portray the conference as. The money that these schools make from sports is considerable but its just a small part of what defines the school.

The people that run Oklahoma do not prefer the SEC over The Big Ten, period.

Virginia Tech already said they don't want to join the SEC. You are delusional.

Sure, sure pal. Academic "perception" matters and everyone knows playing football against certain select institutions automatically increases the amount of research money available. Wait...

That and everyone knows AAU schools are chomping at the bit to help other schools get in on the club. They are totally known for sharing the wealth...

Oh and I'm sure every school in the country is just chomping at the bit to get into the Big Ten. That's why so many schools have yet to make the jump despite having that opportunity. Wait...

And nobody wants to be in the "slummy, lowly" SEC which is precisely why 2 AAU schools joined the league a few years ago. Wait...

On a serious note, I never ceased to be stunned by the inability of academicians to be practical. This "perception" and ego game they play is beyond pretentious. Frankly, they aren't as intelligent as they would have us believe. The athletic correlation to academics is about exposure, not affiliation.