(09-02-2015 07:15 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 03:19 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 10:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 08:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  The next logical expansion is not to 8, but to 5.

If ND wants in, it needs to win a play-in game. Same with the Big 12 champ or any team that does not wins it CCG.

I have no idea why you think 5 is a good number. You will have to explain.

Now, if you had said 6 then you would be correct. Six is better than both four and eight. Why? The essential ingredient to a CFP supported by ESPN is controversy. Fans want less controversy but fans pay more attention to controversies.

With six teams there is a controversy between #2 and #3 as well as between #6 and #7. With either 4 or 8 teams, there is only a controversy in regards to whom doesn't get in. That means that with 8 teams the controversy is whether or not #8 or #9 deserves to get in.

That sounds pretty boring. Who cares if #9 doesn't have a shot at being champion.

Six is better than eight and it is quite simple.

but, but if you go with 5, then you have controversy between 3 & 4, and between 5 & 6. thats better controversy than with 6 teams.

You still have to make a bracket. A five team bracket?

This is not rocket science. 4 plays 5. winner plays 1. Its the same whether you have 5, 6, or 7 teams.

(09-02-2015 09:33 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 08:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  8 should be the next and last move.

Champion of each P5 (5)

Highest ranked G5 Champion (1)

2 at-large. (Highest ranked)

There is your 8.

Everybody else goes to standard bowl games if eligible.

IMO we would probably be better off to scrap the bowls and just go to 16 teams with all conference champs getting a spot along with the highest rated wildcards.

The games would all mean something and every conference would get a spot so nobody feels left out. I think it would be a huge improvement over all the meaningless "Cactus" type bowls that nobody pays attention to. Plus it gives schools in low level conferences something to play for.

I dont disagree with what you say but the reality is that Bowl games get huge corporate money flowing into the system. Have to find a way to have a fair playoff but still keep the bowls involved. Going to 16 probably kills that. 8 is the magic number IMO.

You guys try to make it sound so simple to move to 8....

Hey, let's move to 8. Ok, done. Sweet!

No, you have a lot of hurdles to get past and it is highly doubtful it will ever happen within the next decade and a half.

When the university presidents are almost all in agreement of not wanting the football season to expand into a two semester sport, the entire discussion of an 8 team playoff is dead before the conversation via the phones eve gets started.

(09-02-2015 09:38 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 09:33 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 08:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  8 should be the next and last move.

Champion of each P5 (5)

Highest ranked G5 Champion (1)

2 at-large. (Highest ranked)

There is your 8.

Everybody else goes to standard bowl games if eligible.

IMO we would probably be better off to scrap the bowls and just go to 16 teams with all conference champs getting a spot along with the highest rated wildcards.

The games would all mean something and every conference would get a spot so nobody feels left out. I think it would be a huge improvement over all the meaningless "Cactus" type bowls that nobody pays attention to. Plus it gives schools in low level conferences something to play for.

I dont disagree with what you say but the reality is that Bowl games get huge corporate money flowing into the system. Have to find a way to have a fair playoff but still keep the bowls involved. Going to 16 probably kills that. 8 is the magic number IMO.

Still keep the bowls but make them part of the playoff. The attendance and TV ratings for many bowls are terrible. If they were part of the playoff they would get much better TV ratings and attendance IMO.

8, 4, 2, 1. Still have 15 bowl games. Put them out to bid. With every game having a chance at a blue blood p-5 program the value of the games would be huge compared to a 4th place MW team vs #5 AAC team or even worse a MAC, Sun Belt, C-USA team. Plus the little conferences still get a shot. Would make for some nice cinderella stories.

(09-02-2015 09:46 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  You guys try to make it sound so simple to move to 8....

Hey, let's move to 8. Ok, done. Sweet!

No, you have a lot of hurdles to get past and it is highly doubtful it will ever happen within the next decade and a half.

When the university presidents are almost all in agreement of not wanting the football season to expand into a two semester sport, the entire discussion of an 8 team playoff is dead before the conversation via the phones eve gets started.

It will change in the next 15 years. I would take that bet.

Nebraska people seem to think that things never change for some reason. They do.

This will be no different. We used to only have 2 spots in the BCS. Now we have 4. It will continue to grow. Giving more teams the chance at a championship only increases fan participation. See the NCAA tournament.

Oh yea. Huskers get upset by BYU this weekend. Going to be epic.

(09-01-2015 10:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I have no idea why you think 5 is a good number. You will have to explain.

Now, if you had said 6 then you would be correct. Six is better than both four and eight. Why? The essential ingredient to a CFP supported by ESPN is controversy. Fans want less controversy but fans pay more attention to controversies.

With six teams there is a controversy between #2 and #3 as well as between #6 and #7. With either 4 or 8 teams, there is only a controversy in regards to whom doesn't get in. That means that with 8 teams the controversy is whether or not #8 or #9 deserves to get in.

That sounds pretty boring. Who cares if #9 doesn't have a shot at being champion.

Six is better than eight and it is quite simple.

If you have Round 1 home games, the controversy between #4 and #5 would be extremely high in an 8-team format. Plus, you could provide the automatic landing spots for the P5 champs and the wild card selections to enable a P5 to get 2 or 3 teams into the CFP.

But, I see Delany and Slive fighting hard to expand the conference championship rather than the CFP. This way, the expanded B1G and SEC could own two new semi-final games as part of their conference championships without having to share with the rest of college football. It would also provide a virtual guarantee that their champions reach the 4-team CFP.

(09-02-2015 11:40 AM)YNot Wrote:  If you have Round 1 home games, the controversy between #4 and #5 would be extremely high in an 8-team format. Plus, you could provide the automatic landing spots for the P5 champs and the wild card selections to enable a P5 to get 2 or 3 teams into the CFP.

But, I see Delany and Slive fighting hard to expand the conference championship rather than the CFP. This way, the expanded B1G and SEC could own two new semi-final games as part of their conference championships without having to share with the rest of college football. It would also provide a virtual guarantee that their champions reach the 4-team CFP.

Think about this scenario.

Thanksgiving weekend, the B1G has Nebraska-Oklahoma, the winner goes to the B1G tournament as the West division winner, and Michigan-Ohio St, the winner gets the East division and Minnesota trying to spoil Wisconsin's Central championship and Duke aiming to upset Georgia Tech's South championship.

The following week features Wisconsin (7-2, Central winner) @ Oklahoma (8-1, West) and Georgia Tech (7-2, South) @ Ohio St. (9-0, East) in two B1G semi-final matchups. The CCT culminates in Oklahoma v. Ohio St. in Indianapolis.

In the SEC, the Thanksgiving showdowns: Alabama-Auburn winner gets the South division, A&M-LSU winner gets the West division. Semi-final week pairs Virginia Tech (7-2, North winner) @ Alabama (9-0, South) and LSU (8-1, West) @ Georgia (8-1, East). The SEC CCT features Georgia v. Alabama in Atlanta.

The expanded CCT creates and elevates must-see matchups.

(09-02-2015 09:46 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  You guys try to make it sound so simple to move to 8....

Hey, let's move to 8. Ok, done. Sweet!

No, you have a lot of hurdles to get past and it is highly doubtful it will ever happen within the next decade and a half.

When the university presidents are almost all in agreement of not wanting the football season to expand into a two semester sport, the entire discussion of an 8 team playoff is dead before the conversation via the phones eve gets started.

With all due respect, that's completely absurd. It would be a very easy change to me. They could do it next week if they wanted to do it.

We're talking about adding one more week to the season - one stinking week.

I have a crazy idea! Instead of taking a month off between the last regular-season game and the start of the playoffs, let's take three weeks off. Voila! Complex problem solved! We did it! It's a miracle!

The only reason why there is not an eight team playoff now – and why it took us so long to institute a four team playoff – is because the money schools, like Nebraska, don't want to relinquish any of their power and are more than willing to sacrifice the good of the game to maintain that power.

As for people wanting the "eight best teams," that's the problem. Who decides that decides who are the eight best teams?

Remember, Ohio State is the defending national champion, crushing both Alabama and Oregon along the way. Also, the Buckeyes just became the first team in history to become the unanimous number one team in the preseason AP poll. Nobody disputes they are the baddest cat on the block right now.

However, if the four team playoff format was instituted this year instead of last year, they would've never had the opportunity to play for the national championship. Doesn't that seem terribly wrong to you because it seems absurd to me - a relic of the past that needs to be put out to pasture.

Similarly, who's to say that if Baylor or TCU would have gotten in, they wouldn't be the defending national champion right now? I am certainly not prepared to say that. I think those two teams were better than Florida State and probably better than Alabama too. I'm not sure that they were as good as Oregon – that's a tough call. However, I absolutely think at least one of them should've been given the opportunity to find out.

Guys, this isn't some sort of theory. We see this in every other sport all the time. It is not uncommon in the NFL for an 11-5 team to be left out of the playoffs in favor of a 10-6 team. When that happens, people knowing about the playoffs and the injustice of it all but they get over it quickly because enough teams have a legitimate chance to prove themselves. And sometimes that 10-6 team, that everyone said didn't belong in the playoffs, goes on the roll and makes it to the Super Bowl.

What I think would be a travesty is if the NFL said, "Well, Indianapolis, we are really bullish on your future and we know that you're a very good team and that you have a better record than the New England Patriots. Unfortunately for you, they have Tom Brady – an exceptional player with matinee star looks – and they have more fans that will travel to games than you do, so they're getting in instead of you."

That would be absurd and nobody would tolerate it for a second. And yet that is a system we accept without thinking about in college football. I am sorry if this offends anyone but that is a stupid system that not only should not be tolerated, it cannot be tolerated. Not in 2015.

The sheer size and scope of college football requires that there be some subjectivity to it. However, our primary objective going forward should be to eliminate subjectivity wherever we can. To me, the only way to do that is to create a postseason structure that at least guarantees the champions of the power five conferences a spot in the playoff.

Honestly, I cannot even believe this is being debated.

(09-02-2015 12:45 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 09:46 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  You guys try to make it sound so simple to move to 8....

Hey, let's move to 8. Ok, done. Sweet!

No, you have a lot of hurdles to get past and it is highly doubtful it will ever happen within the next decade and a half.

When the university presidents are almost all in agreement of not wanting the football season to expand into a two semester sport, the entire discussion of an 8 team playoff is dead before the conversation via the phones eve gets started.

With all due respect, that's completely absurd. It would be a very easy change to me. They could do it next week if they wanted to do it.

We're talking about adding one more week to the season - one stinking week.

I have a crazy idea! Instead of taking a month off between the last regular-season game and the start of the playoffs, let's take three weeks off. Voila! Complex problem solved! We did it! It's a miracle!

The only reason why there is not an eight team playoff now – and why it took us so long to institute a four team playoff – is because the money schools, like Nebraska, don't want to relinquish any of their power and are more than willing to sacrifice the good of the game to maintain that power.

As for people wanting the "eight best teams," that's the problem. Who decides that decides who are the eight best teams?

Remember, Ohio State is the defending national champion, crushing both Alabama and Oregon along the way. Also, the Buckeyes just became the first team in history to become the unanimous number one team in the preseason AP poll. Nobody disputes they are the baddest cat on the block right now.

However, if the four team playoff format was instituted this year instead of last year, they would've never had the opportunity to play for the national championship. Doesn't that seem terribly wrong to you?

Similarly, who's to say that if Baylor or TCU would have gotten in, they wouldn't be the defending national champion right now? I am certainly not prepared to say that. I think those two teams were better than Florida State and probably better than Alabama too. I'm not sure that they were as good as Oregon – that's a tough call. However, I absolutely think at least one of them should've been given the opportunity to find out.

Guys, this isn't some sort of theory. We see this in every other sport all the time. It is not uncommon in the NFL for an 11-5 team to be left out of the playoffs in favor of a 10-6 team. When that happens, people knowing about the playoffs and the injustice of it all but they get over it quickly because enough teams have a legitimate chance to prove themselves. And sometimes that 10-6 team, that everyone said didn't belong in the playoffs, goes on the roll and makes it to the Super Bowl.

What I think would be a travesty is if the NFL said, "Well, Indianapolis, we are really bullish on your future and we know that you're a very good team and that you have a better record than the New England Patriots. Unfortunately for you, they have Tom Brady –, An exceptional player with matinee star looks – and they have more fans that will travel to games, so they're getting in instead of you."

That would be absurd and nobody would tolerate it for a second. And yet that is a system we except without thinking about in college football. I am sorry if this offends anyone but that is a stupid system that not only should not be tolerated, it cannot be tolerated. Not in 2015.

The sheer size and scope of college football requires that there be some subjectivity to it. However, our primary objective going forward should be to eliminate subjectivity wherever we can. To me, the only way to do that is to create a postseason structure that at least guarantees the champions of the power five conferences a spot in the playoff.

Honestly, I cannot even believe this is being debated.

I agree. No other sport is as dysfunctional as college football in the way they handle the postseason, or even the regular season.

(09-02-2015 12:45 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 09:46 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  You guys try to make it sound so simple to move to 8....

Hey, let's move to 8. Ok, done. Sweet!

No, you have a lot of hurdles to get past and it is highly doubtful it will ever happen within the next decade and a half.

When the university presidents are almost all in agreement of not wanting the football season to expand into a two semester sport, the entire discussion of an 8 team playoff is dead before the conversation via the phones eve gets started.

With all due respect, that's completely absurd. It would be a very easy change to me. They could do it next week if they wanted to do it.

We're talking about adding one more week to the season - one stinking week.

I have a crazy idea! Instead of taking a month off between the last regular-season game and the start of the playoffs, let's take three weeks off. Voila! Complex problem solved! We did it! It's a miracle!

The only reason why there is not an eight team playoff now – and why it took us so long to institute a four team playoff – is because the money schools, like Nebraska, don't want to relinquish any of their power and are more than willing to sacrifice the good of the game to maintain that power.

As for people wanting the "eight best teams," that's the problem. Who decides that decides who are the eight best teams?

Remember, Ohio State is the defending national champion, crushing both Alabama and Oregon along the way. Also, the Buckeyes just became the first team in history to become the unanimous number one team in the preseason AP poll. Nobody disputes they are the baddest cat on the block right now.

However, if the four team playoff format was instituted this year instead of last year, they would've never had the opportunity to play for the national championship. Doesn't that seem terribly wrong to you because it seems absurd to me - a relic of the past that needs to be put out to pasture.

Similarly, who's to say that if Baylor or TCU would have gotten in, they wouldn't be the defending national champion right now? I am certainly not prepared to say that. I think those two teams were better than Florida State and probably better than Alabama too. I'm not sure that they were as good as Oregon – that's a tough call. However, I absolutely think at least one of them should've been given the opportunity to find out.

Guys, this isn't some sort of theory. We see this in every other sport all the time. It is not uncommon in the NFL for an 11-5 team to be left out of the playoffs in favor of a 10-6 team. When that happens, people knowing about the playoffs and the injustice of it all but they get over it quickly because enough teams have a legitimate chance to prove themselves. And sometimes that 10-6 team, that everyone said didn't belong in the playoffs, goes on the roll and makes it to the Super Bowl.

What I think would be a travesty is if the NFL said, "Well, Indianapolis, we are really bullish on your future and we know that you're a very good team and that you have a better record than the New England Patriots. Unfortunately for you, they have Tom Brady – an exceptional player with matinee star looks – and they have more fans that will travel to games than you do, so they're getting in instead of you."

That would be absurd and nobody would tolerate it for a second. And yet that is a system we accept without thinking about in college football. I am sorry if this offends anyone but that is a stupid system that not only should not be tolerated, it cannot be tolerated. Not in 2015.

The sheer size and scope of college football requires that there be some subjectivity to it. However, our primary objective going forward should be to eliminate subjectivity wherever we can. To me, the only way to do that is to create a postseason structure that at least guarantees the champions of the power five conferences a spot in the playoff.

Honestly, I cannot even believe this is being debated.

University Presidents have already stated they have no interest in an 8 team playoff with the way the current football season is laid out. It is a dead issue to them.

They had no problem adding a game when they went from 11 games to 12. They've had no problems adding conference championship games either. I mean if they're willing to admit that money is more important than doing a sensible playoff, then fine. Just admit it. But 4 teams is not a playoff, especially when you have 5 power conferences, never mind everybody else.

(09-02-2015 11:40 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 10:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I have no idea why you think 5 is a good number. You will have to explain.

Now, if you had said 6 then you would be correct. Six is better than both four and eight. Why? The essential ingredient to a CFP supported by ESPN is controversy. Fans want less controversy but fans pay more attention to controversies.

With six teams there is a controversy between #2 and #3 as well as between #6 and #7. With either 4 or 8 teams, there is only a controversy in regards to whom doesn't get in. That means that with 8 teams the controversy is whether or not #8 or #9 deserves to get in.

That sounds pretty boring. Who cares if #9 doesn't have a shot at being champion.

Six is better than eight and it is quite simple.

If you have Round 1 home games, the controversy between #4 and #5 would be extremely high in an 8-team format. Plus, you could provide the automatic landing spots for the P5 champs and the wild card selections to enable a P5 to get 2 or 3 teams into the CFP.

But, I see Delany and Slive fighting hard to expand the conference championship rather than the CFP. This way, the expanded B1G and SEC could own two new semi-final games as part of their conference championships without having to share with the rest of college football. It would also provide a virtual guarantee that their champions reach the 4-team CFP.

They aren't going to have home games when every bowl is clawing and scratching in individual attempts to be part of the CFP. Home games for the national playoff are highly unlikely. The Bowls will pay more to be part of a playoff instead of just being an exhibition game.

Even then, controversy between #4 and #5 is not as marketable as is controversy between #2 and #3.

You are absolutely right though about the big boys holding up CFP expansion until they get their own conference post season's expanded. They aren't going to do that though until realignment is over so there is the series of events for you.

The more pressure that ESPN exerts and "publicizes" about expanding the CFP, the more pressure will be upon the Universities to figure out their part.

(09-02-2015 01:34 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 12:45 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 09:46 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  You guys try to make it sound so simple to move to 8....

Hey, let's move to 8. Ok, done. Sweet!

No, you have a lot of hurdles to get past and it is highly doubtful it will ever happen within the next decade and a half.

When the university presidents are almost all in agreement of not wanting the football season to expand into a two semester sport, the entire discussion of an 8 team playoff is dead before the conversation via the phones eve gets started.

With all due respect, that's completely absurd. It would be a very easy change to me. They could do it next week if they wanted to do it.

We're talking about adding one more week to the season - one stinking week.

I have a crazy idea! Instead of taking a month off between the last regular-season game and the start of the playoffs, let's take three weeks off. Voila! Complex problem solved! We did it! It's a miracle!

The only reason why there is not an eight team playoff now – and why it took us so long to institute a four team playoff – is because the money schools, like Nebraska, don't want to relinquish any of their power and are more than willing to sacrifice the good of the game to maintain that power.

As for people wanting the "eight best teams," that's the problem. Who decides that decides who are the eight best teams?

Remember, Ohio State is the defending national champion, crushing both Alabama and Oregon along the way. Also, the Buckeyes just became the first team in history to become the unanimous number one team in the preseason AP poll. Nobody disputes they are the baddest cat on the block right now.

However, if the four team playoff format was instituted this year instead of last year, they would've never had the opportunity to play for the national championship. Doesn't that seem terribly wrong to you because it seems absurd to me - a relic of the past that needs to be put out to pasture.

Similarly, who's to say that if Baylor or TCU would have gotten in, they wouldn't be the defending national champion right now? I am certainly not prepared to say that. I think those two teams were better than Florida State and probably better than Alabama too. I'm not sure that they were as good as Oregon – that's a tough call. However, I absolutely think at least one of them should've been given the opportunity to find out.

Guys, this isn't some sort of theory. We see this in every other sport all the time. It is not uncommon in the NFL for an 11-5 team to be left out of the playoffs in favor of a 10-6 team. When that happens, people knowing about the playoffs and the injustice of it all but they get over it quickly because enough teams have a legitimate chance to prove themselves. And sometimes that 10-6 team, that everyone said didn't belong in the playoffs, goes on the roll and makes it to the Super Bowl.

What I think would be a travesty is if the NFL said, "Well, Indianapolis, we are really bullish on your future and we know that you're a very good team and that you have a better record than the New England Patriots. Unfortunately for you, they have Tom Brady – an exceptional player with matinee star looks – and they have more fans that will travel to games than you do, so they're getting in instead of you."

That would be absurd and nobody would tolerate it for a second. And yet that is a system we accept without thinking about in college football. I am sorry if this offends anyone but that is a stupid system that not only should not be tolerated, it cannot be tolerated. Not in 2015.

The sheer size and scope of college football requires that there be some subjectivity to it. However, our primary objective going forward should be to eliminate subjectivity wherever we can. To me, the only way to do that is to create a postseason structure that at least guarantees the champions of the power five conferences a spot in the playoff.

Honestly, I cannot even believe this is being debated.

University Presidents have already stated they have no interest in an 8 team playoff with the way the current football season is laid out. It is a dead issue to them.

You stated it yourself. They don't want to expand the playoff until their own seasons are laid out. The conference post season is part of that. They don't want to expand the playoff until they get more for their own conference's first.

It's not a dead issue, you are simply taking comments at face value.

Quote:It should stay at four teams, 8 is to many.

I don't agree to that. It'd be like limiting BCS Bowls to only 4 games, but having them have a playoff. That's not a whole lot out of 128 teams.

8 Team Playoff:
- Each P5 Champ gets an "in" (5)
- 1 G5 Champ highest ranked (1)
- 1 Independent ranked in Top 12 gets an "in" (penalty for not joining a conf)
- 1-2 P5 2nd-best teams

2014 RESULTS WOULD HAVE BEEN:
(1) Alabama
(8) Boise State

[Fri, Dec 26th]

(4) Ohio State
(5) Baylor
-------------------------
(3) Florida State
(6) TCU

[Sat, Dec 27th]

(2) Oregon
(7) Mississippi State

FINAL FOUR: SAT, JAN 3rd
CHAMP GAME: MON, JAN 12th

I cannot see in any way someone thinking "Uggh, I wouldn't like to see that. I'd rather just have a 4 team playoff."

(09-02-2015 06:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 01:34 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 12:45 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 09:46 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  You guys try to make it sound so simple to move to 8....

Hey, let's move to 8. Ok, done. Sweet!

No, you have a lot of hurdles to get past and it is highly doubtful it will ever happen within the next decade and a half.

When the university presidents are almost all in agreement of not wanting the football season to expand into a two semester sport, the entire discussion of an 8 team playoff is dead before the conversation via the phones eve gets started.

With all due respect, that's completely absurd. It would be a very easy change to me. They could do it next week if they wanted to do it.

We're talking about adding one more week to the season - one stinking week.

I have a crazy idea! Instead of taking a month off between the last regular-season game and the start of the playoffs, let's take three weeks off. Voila! Complex problem solved! We did it! It's a miracle!

The only reason why there is not an eight team playoff now – and why it took us so long to institute a four team playoff – is because the money schools, like Nebraska, don't want to relinquish any of their power and are more than willing to sacrifice the good of the game to maintain that power.

As for people wanting the "eight best teams," that's the problem. Who decides that decides who are the eight best teams?

Remember, Ohio State is the defending national champion, crushing both Alabama and Oregon along the way. Also, the Buckeyes just became the first team in history to become the unanimous number one team in the preseason AP poll. Nobody disputes they are the baddest cat on the block right now.

However, if the four team playoff format was instituted this year instead of last year, they would've never had the opportunity to play for the national championship. Doesn't that seem terribly wrong to you because it seems absurd to me - a relic of the past that needs to be put out to pasture.

Similarly, who's to say that if Baylor or TCU would have gotten in, they wouldn't be the defending national champion right now? I am certainly not prepared to say that. I think those two teams were better than Florida State and probably better than Alabama too. I'm not sure that they were as good as Oregon – that's a tough call. However, I absolutely think at least one of them should've been given the opportunity to find out.

Guys, this isn't some sort of theory. We see this in every other sport all the time. It is not uncommon in the NFL for an 11-5 team to be left out of the playoffs in favor of a 10-6 team. When that happens, people knowing about the playoffs and the injustice of it all but they get over it quickly because enough teams have a legitimate chance to prove themselves. And sometimes that 10-6 team, that everyone said didn't belong in the playoffs, goes on the roll and makes it to the Super Bowl.

What I think would be a travesty is if the NFL said, "Well, Indianapolis, we are really bullish on your future and we know that you're a very good team and that you have a better record than the New England Patriots. Unfortunately for you, they have Tom Brady – an exceptional player with matinee star looks – and they have more fans that will travel to games than you do, so they're getting in instead of you."

That would be absurd and nobody would tolerate it for a second. And yet that is a system we accept without thinking about in college football. I am sorry if this offends anyone but that is a stupid system that not only should not be tolerated, it cannot be tolerated. Not in 2015.

The sheer size and scope of college football requires that there be some subjectivity to it. However, our primary objective going forward should be to eliminate subjectivity wherever we can. To me, the only way to do that is to create a postseason structure that at least guarantees the champions of the power five conferences a spot in the playoff.

Honestly, I cannot even believe this is being debated.

University Presidents have already stated they have no interest in an 8 team playoff with the way the current football season is laid out. It is a dead issue to them.

You stated it yourself. They don't want to expand the playoff until their own seasons are laid out. The conference post season is part of that. They don't want to expand the playoff until they get more for their own conference's first.

It's not a dead issue, you are simply taking comments at face value.

THIS is why I think Notre Dame's going to eventually have to be all in with a conference. I think what we're headed towards is a world where the playoffs are expanded through the conference post seasons. Conference Championship games for the P4 will be your Round of 8. You could even potentially see conference semi-finals. Notre Dame not being in a conference, under this model, means they wouldn't have a shot at the title. They may have laughed in the past, they may have shot down a 6th ACC game before...but the world has changed around the Irish. Move, adapt, or die. Notre Dame's going to have to adapt or be left out...and I don't think they're going to want to be left out. I'm sorry, I get that Notre Dame still carries a lot of clout, but it's not nearly as much as they use to and we're moving towards a model where an entire CONFERENCE (SEC) doesn't necessarily carry the clout it once did.

Quote:THIS is why I think Notre Dame's going to eventually have to be all in with a conference. I think what we're headed towards is a world where the playoffs are expanded through the conference post seasons. Conference Championship games for the P4 will be your Round of 8.

P4, not P5? I think taking out the Big 12 (10 teams) and dispersing them to the other 4 P5 conferences won't happen. Certainly won't be done to give them an "even number".

I think those who'd complain about 8-team playoff being the SMALLEST # in a playoff of any recognizable sport besides pro-baseball wouldn't be satisfied with the whole "conference champ games are part of it". It's like going out on a date with a hot girl telling you that her mere presence and taking her out Is 1st base. Sure, that part's great and all, but no, it's not going to fictionally make kissing isn't 2nd base. :)

If you just had conference champs, several years you're going to have the 2nd best SEC team saying "Hey, we're better than the ACC or B12 champ!" And sometimes a G5 champ is going to be really good and be able to say they're at least as good as the ACC champ although their schedule wasn't able to prove it despite their effort. And you can't rely on Exactly 4 P5 conferences to be there by dissolving the whole B12 for the sake of even-number -- plus on top of that making it essentially Impossible for G5s like Cinci, ECU, NIU, Houston, UCF, Boise to migrate to the P5 ever (16 teams in one conference essentially caps it off).

5 P5 Champs
1 G5 Champ
1 Independent-Qualifier at a certain level (BYU, Notre Dame possibilities)
1-2 2nd-Place P5 teams

If we had that, I think everyone would be satisfied, and there'd be no room for complaining.

P5 to P4 WILL happen, you can take that to the bank.

stupid.

Yeah but, we still love ya'.

(09-03-2015 05:20 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  P5 to P4 WILL happen, you can take that to the bank.

I used to think that too. But doing so would require so much cooperation among TV partners and conferences it's nearly impossible to imagine actually happening.

I'd love to see 16

All the FBS champs plus a few wildcards. Keeps everyone involved like the NCAA.

Get rid of the bowls.