(07-23-2015 06:59 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:56 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:39 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Expand or not, I think at this point the BigXII is a dead conference walking.

Don't know why you think that. They are doing just fine.

Is that why Coach Snyder is publicly saying that he thinks the big 12 should try and bring back the likes of Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M and/or Colorado?

That isn't a sign of doing fine. That is a sign of desperation. No one thinks they are in a position to be able to bring any of these programs back and no one else has come out publicly talking about bringing schools back that already left a conference.

It's desperation being showing.

They are original members of the Big 12. Of course he would want them back. Don't be silly, nothing to see here.

(07-23-2015 07:19 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:59 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:56 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:39 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Expand or not, I think at this point the BigXII is a dead conference walking.

Don't know why you think that. They are doing just fine.

Is that why Coach Snyder is publicly saying that he thinks the big 12 should try and bring back the likes of Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M and/or Colorado?

That isn't a sign of doing fine. That is a sign of desperation. No one thinks they are in a position to be able to bring any of these programs back and no one else has come out publicly talking about bringing schools back that already left a conference.

It's desperation being showing.

They are original members of the Big 12. Of course he would want them back. Don't be silly, nothing to see here.

He isn't just saying he would like them back. He is saying that the big 12 should get them. It is you that is being silly by trying to play this off as nothing. I understand why you are but I am sorry, it is far too obvious that this is a sign of desperation.

(07-23-2015 07:09 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:56 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:39 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Expand or not, I think at this point the BigXII is a dead conference walking.

Don't know why you think that. They are doing just fine.

A conference that lost 4 schools, replaced them with 2, and has had very public in fighting about whether to expand or not with some schools hinting at leaving is NOT a conference that's doing just fine. There are some deep seeded issues with the BigXII, and they very honestly may be beyond the point of saving.

Voicing opinions in public and not always agreeing doesn't mean doom and gloom. Nothing to see here.

(07-23-2015 07:20 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 07:09 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:56 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:39 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Expand or not, I think at this point the BigXII is a dead conference walking.

Don't know why you think that. They are doing just fine.

A conference that lost 4 schools, replaced them with 2, and has had very public in fighting about whether to expand or not with some schools hinting at leaving is NOT a conference that's doing just fine. There are some deep seeded issues with the BigXII, and they very honestly may be beyond the point of saving.

Voicing opinions in public and not always agreeing doesn't mean doom and gloom. Nothing to see here.

One day saying that you believe the big 12 needs to expand and then saying that the big 12 should expand with Nebraska and any other schools that already left the big 12? Yeah, that is not just voicing an opinion. Once again, nice try but your head in the ground tactic isn't working on anyone other than yourself.

(07-23-2015 07:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 07:20 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 07:09 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:56 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:39 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Expand or not, I think at this point the BigXII is a dead conference walking.

Don't know why you think that. They are doing just fine.

A conference that lost 4 schools, replaced them with 2, and has had very public in fighting about whether to expand or not with some schools hinting at leaving is NOT a conference that's doing just fine. There are some deep seeded issues with the BigXII, and they very honestly may be beyond the point of saving.

Voicing opinions in public and not always agreeing doesn't mean doom and gloom. Nothing to see here.

One day saying that you believe the big 12 needs to expand and then saying that the big 12 should expand with Nebraska and any other schools that already left the big 12? Yeah, that is not just voicing an opinion. Once again, nice try but your head in the ground tactic isn't working on anyone other than yourself.

Kansas State and Nebraska have a long-time relationship. Nothing to see here. Besides, Nebraska has no interest.

(07-23-2015 07:30 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 07:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 07:20 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 07:09 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:56 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Don't know why you think that. They are doing just fine.

A conference that lost 4 schools, replaced them with 2, and has had very public in fighting about whether to expand or not with some schools hinting at leaving is NOT a conference that's doing just fine. There are some deep seeded issues with the BigXII, and they very honestly may be beyond the point of saving.

Voicing opinions in public and not always agreeing doesn't mean doom and gloom. Nothing to see here.

One day saying that you believe the big 12 needs to expand and then saying that the big 12 should expand with Nebraska and any other schools that already left the big 12? Yeah, that is not just voicing an opinion. Once again, nice try but your head in the ground tactic isn't working on anyone other than yourself.

Kansas State and Nebraska have a long-time relationship. Nothing to see here. Besides, Nebraska has no interest.

Duh?

Yes, I know, you are all in on the big 12 surviving.

Well the Dude has changed his tune. He says the Big 12 is expanding with 2 out of this list of 4 schools: UC, UCF, BYU, UConn, Memphis.

A poster on the OU board Nebfaninwi posted the same thing-2 out of the 4-UC, UCF, BYU, UConn, Memphis.

Yes, I CAN count in traditional math. Oddly enough, these two count using some math system I am not familiar with.

(07-23-2015 07:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  Well the Dude has changed his tune. He says the Big 12 is expanding with 2 out of this list of 4 schools: UC, UCF, BYU, UConn, Memphis.

A poster on the OU board Nebfaninwi posted the same thing-2 out of the 4-UC, UCF, BYU, UConn, Memphis.

Yes, I CAN count in traditional math. Oddly enough, these two count using some math system I am not familiar with.

Nebfaninwi is Nebraskafan here. He posted just a couple posts before yours.

That isn't a new concept, these guys just keep on tossing out the same old **** yet the same reasons why those moves WONT happen still exist. Yes, the TV Contract money raises to keep the payouts the same but Bowl money doesn't and neither does CFP money. Those get lessened with each addition. So yes, those schools will decrease overall payouts AND they decrease public perception of the big 12. Considering that is already plummeting, it's a big deal.

UL fans have the best insight on this imo. They lived through it with the BE and can be objective about it cause it obviously affects them in no way.

(07-23-2015 08:32 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  UL fans have the best insight on this imo. They lived through it with the BE and can be objective about it cause it obviously affects them in no way.

Are you being funny? Mostly they hate the Big 12 because WVU got selected over them.

(07-23-2015 07:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 07:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This upcoming season will tell the tale. If the Big 12 gets a team in the playoffs, then those panicking about the playoffs will quiet down.

If they don't, the conclusion will be firmly drawn that without a championship game, they are at a structural disadvantage vis-a-vis the playoffs, and they will move quickly to expand to 12 teams.

You mean, if their champ has fewer than two losses and doesn't get in. If any conference has a two-loss champ, no one will be too upset at their exclusion if the playoff teams all have fewer than two losses.

Yes. Their champ has to be comparable to the other P5 conference champs for the litmus test to hold. If their champ has 2+ losses and nobody else's has more than one, than no conclusions will be drawn.

I'm wondering if texas would keep the big 12 together post OU leaving. Let's say OU and Ok state go to the SEC, texas might just invite SMU and Houston to get back to 10, than bring in BYU football only and go semi independent, say play 6 big 12 games. IF the big 10 landed KU, than bring in colorado state, cincy, UCF, USF, etc.

(07-23-2015 07:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  Well the Dude has changed his tune. He says the Big 12 is expanding with 2 out of this list of 4 schools: UC, UCF, BYU, UConn, Memphis.

A poster on the OU board Nebfaninwi posted the same thing-2 out of the 4-UC, UCF, BYU, UConn, Memphis.

Yes, I CAN count in traditional math. Oddly enough, these two count using some math system I am not familiar with.

Pretty much shows that one was parroting the other

(07-23-2015 08:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 08:32 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  UL fans have the best insight on this imo. They lived through it with the BE and can be objective about it cause it obviously affects them in no way.

Are you being funny? Mostly they hate the Big 12 because WVU got selected over them.

There aren't too many UofL fans who hate the Big 12. Not many were excited about the Big 12, other than it being a life raft off a sinking ship. Now there is animosity towards WVU, but that is purely because of having to deal with their fans.

(07-23-2015 08:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 08:32 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  UL fans have the best insight on this imo. They lived through it with the BE and can be objective about it cause it obviously affects them in no way.

Are you being funny? Mostly they hate the Big 12 because WVU got selected over them.

No I think they're content being in the acc anyhow. They along with most others see the B12 as dysfunctional.

(07-23-2015 10:15 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 08:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 08:32 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  UL fans have the best insight on this imo. They lived through it with the BE and can be objective about it cause it obviously affects them in no way.

Are you being funny? Mostly they hate the Big 12 because WVU got selected over them.

No I think they're content being in the acc anyhow. They along with most others see the B12 as dysfunctional.

There seems to be a small but noisy subset of WVU fans that continue to be pissed off that the ACC turned up their nose at WVU, and WVU ended up having to join a conference halfway across the country to escape the collapsing Old Big East. And by some alchemy, that turns into bold projections of imminent dramatic conference realignment moves that constantly fail to come to pass.

But I haven't seen any similar phenomenon among UL fans.

(07-23-2015 08:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 08:32 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  UL fans have the best insight on this imo. They lived through it with the BE and can be objective about it cause it obviously affects them in no way.

Are you being funny? Mostly they hate the Big 12 because WVU got selected over them.

No, we're amused when BigXII officials come out and say they should've picked us instead. Otherwise, we don't really CARE about the BigXII. Things worked out about as well as they could've and we ended up in a much better situation.

I don't see why any Louisville fans would be all that upset about the way things worked out. Sure, some of them may feel that they were snubbed by the big 12 but that turned out to get them an invite to the ACC which is Much better for Louisville.

The public contradictions from various factions inside the BigXII elude to a much deeper, and perhaps more heated, debate going on behind closed doors as to what the BigXII should do. The same problems that lead schools to leave in the first place are still there for the conference, unresolved. At this rate, there are precisely ZERO candidates that could, in any way, make up for the schools that left. The credibility of the conference has already taken a hit. I sincerely think it's a matter of time before the BigXII implodes, and I think that based off of all the public information that's been put out there.

(07-24-2015 07:13 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 08:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 08:32 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  UL fans have the best insight on this imo. They lived through it with the BE and can be objective about it cause it obviously affects them in no way.

Are you being funny? Mostly they hate the Big 12 because WVU got selected over them.

No, we're amused when BigXII officials come out and say they should've picked us instead. Otherwise, we don't really CARE about the BigXII. Things worked out about as well as they could've and we ended up in a much better situation.

Nobody has said that in relation to WVU. Some have said they should have picked UL in addition to WVU. Boren was for it at the time. But apparently there was no satisfactory #12.

Regardless, your comment that Louisville fans hate the BigXII is amusingly wrong.