(06-26-2015 05:30 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 06:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Downside, liberals and Yankees will ruin wherever they go.

You guys need a history lesson about Detroit. Detroit's death certificate was signed in 1967 after the riots. At the beginning of the century, Henry Ford needed labor for his automotive plants and offered blacks very good wages. Blacks men left the south in droves (similar to the today's Mecicans) for these high paying jobs, sending money home to their families in the South. When they earned enough money, they sent for their families. Detroit, which was a largely majority(96%+) white city slowing gained a larger black population. The first wave of blacks fit well into the local culture even though it was segregated. Fast forward 20 years into the 1930's, the depression hit everyone hard. Rumor spread all over the south about Ford's high paying jobs (by then the other car companies were also hiring black labor and paying good wages). By the time WW2 started there were high paying jobs for any able bodied American in Detroit. A flood of black people (and white southerners) moved to Detroit (and other Midwestern manufacturing towns like Gary, IN), changing the dynamic of city very rapidly. This second, much less educated, wave of blacks created problems. There were housing issues. Some landlords didn't care who rented their places while the white tenants did care and protested. In addition, it was next to impossible have segregated factories. Whites and blacks had difficulty working and living together, much of the tension was instigated by transplanted whites from the South. This led to the race riot of 1943. As more and more blacks moved to the city after WW2 searching for the promise land and an escape from the segregated South, this led to white flight to the surrounding suburbs. Detroit had a 93% white police force for a 30% black population. Needless to say tensions mounted in the city and ultimately exploded when the police raided a party for returning black Vietnam GIs igniting the 1967 riot. After this riot, whites left the city as fast as they could. When the automotive plants needed to be rebuilt they followed the white workers. Sports teams left the city too. It was a massive economic drain on the city. Detroit has always had an excellent freeway system so moving out of the city made little difference in commute times(unlike current Atlanta). With the again rapid population swing toward a large percentage of blacks, left wing and black power mayor Coleman Young was able to get elected to 5 terms adding to Detroit's financial decline. However, the die was cast when the white economic base left the city after the 1967 riot and that was not due to liberal policies.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_...ot_of_1943

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/m...story.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_Young

I don't think that Coleman Young was that bad initially. His problem was simply that he lacked business acumen. I believe the failure of his tenure and the rhetoric he used in his later years proved to be an instrumental lesson to Atlanta mayor's Maynard Jackson and Andrew Young on how NOT to run a city. (Hint, don't run off all the businesses)

Good riddance, Detroit. The city imploded due to persistent liberal interference & smothering liberal policies. Let this be an example to the rest of the country.

(06-26-2015 07:46 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Good riddance, Detroit. The city imploded due to persistent liberal interference & smothering liberal policies. Let this be an example to the rest of the country.

No. Please read post #140

(06-25-2015 10:38 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I will say this though. The south is winning. Good public schools are not cheap. They are expensive. The NE can handle it for different reasons. The Midwest did have great public schools because of their manufacturing base. There will be an adjustment. Cleveland is becoming a major medical hub though. Bioinformatics is a becoming big there. So they are diversifying. Pittsburgh is big in robotics. It's a time of change.

And bad ones can be really expensive. The total disaster that is Buffalo is #3.

LINk

(06-25-2015 10:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You celebrate the demise of a once great American city. It's disgusting. The UAW created the greatest middle class the world has ever seen. It's terrible.

I think WW2 Created the largest middle class. Europe had to rebuild basically from Scratch. Guess who had the manufacturing capabilities to meet there demands. Well it certainly wasn't Germany or france or any of europe. Half the cities had been bombed to rubble and don't think there manufacturing locations were spared.

The US had essentially a Global monopoly on steel manufacturing. Since coal is abundant in the US and is an essential ingredient on Steel that's what drove our coal industry as well.

(06-25-2015 10:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You celebrate the demise of a once great American city. It's disgusting. The UAW created the greatest middle class the world has ever seen. It's terrible.

No...what's happened in Detroit is sad, but also predictable.

I'm just glad the economic policies that destroyed that city haven't been repeated everywhere. Yet.

(06-25-2015 05:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Yall quit letting our secrets out. We are full down here. The north is way better, they need to stay up there

Its official. North of the Mason Dixon is simply wonderful. Please stay there.

(06-26-2015 09:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 05:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Yall quit letting our secrets out. We are full down here. The north is way better, they need to stay up there

Its official. North of the Mason Dixon is simply wonderful. Please stay there.

I think I figured out the REAL REASON for all the global warming talk. It's to make the South to hot so folks will stay up North. Come to think of it, I maybe can get behind that reasoning. lol

(06-25-2015 06:03 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 05:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 05:45 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 05:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 04:41 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://www.usnews.com/education/best-hig...es-compare


Yep, just look at those bottom 10. Own it.

Confusing them with facts again?

Only looking at the facts that fit your false narrative again?

So the fact that the poorest states in the nation all come from the south is my false narrative? Mmmkay

Like I told Mach, you really really don't want to get into the nitty-gritty of why that is. You don't.

But I do. I would really, really like to know why.

(06-26-2015 09:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 05:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Yall quit letting our secrets out. We are full down here. The north is way better, they need to stay up there

Its official. North of the Mason Dixon is simply wonderful. Please stay there.

Pretty please !!

I sure hope most of you are only laying down the smack. Xenophobic behavior has historically been and continues to be an affliction of the human race.

Being a professional geographer who has lived many years in many different regions of the country (Michigan, Idaho, Kansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma) and travels extensively, nothing is more enjoyable for me than experiencing different cultures and landscapes.

(06-26-2015 12:11 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote:  I sure hope most of you are only laying down the smack. Xenophobic behavior has historically been and continues to be an affliction of the human race.

Being a professional geographer who has lived many years in many different regions of the country (Michigan, Idaho, Kansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma) and travels extensively, nothing is more enjoyable for me than experiencing different cultures and landscapes.

Well said.

(06-26-2015 12:11 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote:  I sure hope most of you are only laying down the smack. Xenophobic behavior has historically been and continues to be an affliction of the human race.

Being a professional geographer who has lived many years in many different regions of the country (Michigan, Idaho, Kansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma) and travels extensively, nothing is more enjoyable for me than experiencing different cultures and landscapes.

Not so much xenophobic as just don't like yankees. Hell I thought xena was kinda hot

Quote: Not so much xenophobic as just don't like yankees.

Out of curiosity, what is your definition of the geographic extent of yankees? Additionally, do you not have a single friend who is a yankee transplant?

(06-26-2015 01:39 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote:  

Quote: Not so much xenophobic as just don't like yankees.

Out of curiosity, what is your definition of the geographic extent of yankees? Additionally, do you not have a single friend who is a yankee transplant?

Too many of them, actually.

They flee the ultra high tax states where they were complicit in demanding more and bigger government, more this more that, which demands higher state aand local taxes, government intrusion and over reach etc. One day they look around and say, Damn. I could work for less money, have a MUCH better quality of living, lower taxes, lower housing costs, a nice bit of their own land, good schools and quiet neighborhoods. So they move down here. Or over there, or there.

Then they look like fish out of water. If I hear, "well when we were on Long Guiland, or when we lived in South Joisey, or Murrland, we used to have this or that, or we did it this way, or I don't think the schools should allow this or that" one more time I might just punch them in the face.

Then they set about changing where they have moved TO, to avoid half the schit they escaped from, to make it look more like what they were fleeing in the first place. It's the locust effect.

By all means, travel ALL you want. Visit far and wide. Enjoy yourself, enjoy OUR culture, people, food, pleasant vistas, white sand beaches and warm temperatures. Then please, just go home. And stay there. That's all.

(06-26-2015 01:31 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 12:11 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote:  I sure hope most of you are only laying down the smack. Xenophobic behavior has historically been and continues to be an affliction of the human race.

Being a professional geographer who has lived many years in many different regions of the country (Michigan, Idaho, Kansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma) and travels extensively, nothing is more enjoyable for me than experiencing different cultures and landscapes.

Not so much xenophobic as just don't like yankees. Hell I thought xena was kinda hot

Same here. For me it's mostly North Easterners and Ohioans. Pretty much all of NE, NY, NJ, most of PA, MD and NOVA.

(06-25-2015 10:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 10:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You celebrate the demise of a once great American city. It's disgusting. The UAW created the greatest middle class the world has ever seen. It's terrible.

Even if the UAW started with bright eyed optimism for better working conditions for the middle class, it has long since become a fundraising arm of the DNC through mandatory dues. It is about NOT doing work as much as it is about doing work. I particularly love the stories where the UAW forced two workers for a one man job, so they'd alternate 4 hour shifts or days. That doesn't sound like hard workers wanting a fair wage and good conditions ..... that sounds like a bunch of entitled pricks sticking to their company and, in the long term, themselves.

As I said elsewhere, I go to Ohio on business every year. It is to attend a conference similar to the one I run in Charlotte. At the hotel I'm at in Charlotte, it is non-union. I simply purchase my own power strips and PDU cords and run them to vendors in the hallways. At my counterpart's event in Columbus, OH at the Columbus Convention Center, it IS union. And it is $100 to have a power strip plugged in. You are FORBIDDEN from plugging your own in. You can be ejected from the venue and banned if you do so. If you are with the event and you do so, it is a huge fine. All to have some union guy trot down in geologic time ... and plug in a power strip. HE ISN'T EVEN A G** **** ELECTRICIAN. JUST A GUY!!!! How is this in anything other than blatant price gouging? And it isn't like they're gouging Big Daddy Warbucks ... this is a registered 501c3 organization that runs an educational conference. How does this help a non-profit educational event charging $0 for admission to attendees? By gouging the **** out of them????

You wide eyed pro-union people are BEYOND naive. You've never been at the short end of a legally enforced financial *** rape from a union. It isn't about safe working conditions... it isn't 1910 any more. It isn't about a fair working wage. It is a bunch of self entitled pricks getting more for doing less, while using their MANDATORY dues as a fundraiser for the DNC. The scum factor only increases exponentially when you get to public sector unions. I see first hand in Columbus, OH every year the impact of a crap union putting the screws to good people putting on a non-profit event. Which is why my event will FOREVER be at a non-union venue. I'll take my $50,000 of economic impact elsewhere before I feed a union. If their event (and thus organization) ever financially implodes, the unions can take at least a generous portion of the credit.

Prime example of how unions are pretty much pointless. They were needed back in the day, but not anymore.

(06-26-2015 04:38 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 01:39 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote:  

Quote: Not so much xenophobic as just don't like yankees.

Do you not have a single friend who is a yankee transplant?

Too many of them, actually.

Enjoy yourself, enjoy OUR culture, people, food, pleasant vistas, white sand beaches and warm temperatures. Then please, just go home. And stay there. That's all.

Based upon your response, it appears you wish the area in which you live to remain insular. Not surprising, unless in actuality you are from a large city.

I lived in Johnson City, Tennessee for six years and still conduct research in the state. I must say for the most part it's been a very positive experience with the people, despite being a Damn Yankee. Although you have now given me pause to consider how many of its residents say something else behind my back. "He's a nice enough feller, but he's really not from around here so I prefer not to like him or have him as a neighbor."

I've now lived in small-town southern Oklahoma for over ten years and overall its also been a positive experience. It's a little less clannish (no, with a "C" not a "K") than the Volunteer State, because nearly everyone in the Sooner State is no more than a few generations from being from somewhere else. In fact, I've been married 25 years to a women raised in Oklahoma and considers herself of Southern Heritage. So there's that as well.

(06-25-2015 01:43 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Mercedes is also moving their North American HQ to Atlanta.

BMW is expected to follow Mercedes to the south and will likely end up with the HQ in Atlanta or Charlotte. Either gives good proximity to Greenville operations and I believe both have direct flights to Munich. I know Atlanta having direct flights to Stuttgart played a role in their selection by Mercedes over Raleigh and the other locations being considered.

My car was built in the United States and in Greer, SC.

(06-26-2015 04:38 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 01:39 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote:  

Quote: Not so much xenophobic as just don't like yankees.

Out of curiosity, what is your definition of the geographic extent of yankees? Additionally, do you not have a single friend who is a yankee transplant?

Too many of them, actually.

They flee the ultra high tax states where they were complicit in demanding more and bigger government, more this more that, which demands higher state aand local taxes, government intrusion and over reach etc. One day they look around and say, Damn. I could work for less money, have a MUCH better quality of living, lower taxes, lower housing costs, a nice bit of their own land, good schools and quiet neighborhoods. So they move down here. Or over there, or there.

Then they look like fish out of water. If I hear, "well when we were on Long Guiland, or when we lived in South Joisey, or Murrland, we used to have this or that, or we did it this way, or I don't think the schools should allow this or that" one more time I might just punch them in the face.

Then they set about changing where they have moved TO, to avoid half the schit they escaped from, to make it look more like what they were fleeing in the first place. It's the locust effect.

By all means, travel ALL you want. Visit far and wide. Enjoy yourself, enjoy OUR culture, people, food, pleasant vistas, white sand beaches and warm temperatures. Then please, just go home. And stay there. That's all.

saw an old bumper sticker that said--


Welcome to the South, now go home