(06-26-2015 10:06 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 09:49 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  you guys would really give up Oklahoma because little brother Okie State was attached?

Actually, we're not giving up anything. Oklahoma is not in play. That said -- and not to speak for the rest, but -- I have no use for Oklahoma State as an ACC member, so hypothetically -- "yes"

Quote:give me a break

You rang...

Quote:This thinking leads to FSU looking elsewhere

We're not hearing that level of sabre-rattling from the FSU rank-and-file, like we are from the rank-and-file FSU fans (yourself among them) on this forum.

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Again, if FSU needs to schedule OU to boost its SOS, please do so -- noone is stopping FSU from doing that.

Be sure to win a few for us.

^^^this sort of attitude will drive FSU out of the conference, probably taking someone with them, and when that happens, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Big 10 and SEC pick over the bones

Typical #goacc fan think, and likely the administrators at the nc/uva 5 as well.

(06-26-2015 10:54 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Typical #goacc fan think, and likely the administrators at the nc/uva 5 as well.

I think you mean the nc/va 6 + Louisville (basketball) + ND.

Otherwise, you're right on point, sir.

Nope. I had it right.

(06-26-2015 11:02 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Nope. I had it right.

You don't know VT as well as you think you do.

How does Louisville basketball and non football Notre dame keep Oklahoma football out of the acc? Your argument doesn't even make sense. And if vt can't make their own decisions and needs awful at football Virginia to lead them, they've got some serious problems in Blacksburg.

I don't pretend to know vt. I fully expect them to latch onto uva. But they aren't the nc/uva 5. Nobody in that group would listen to vt. They aren't a decision maker. And anybody saying ul will side with those schools after the football schools got them into the conference is a fool, especially if we're talking about adding a football power like Oklahoma.

If the acc voted no on Oklahoma, there would be intense backlash and likely movement out of the conference. Seriously, it would be absolute proof that the acc was destined to remain behind our p5 peers, that nothing whatsoever had actually changed philosophically in #goacc ville, and that the "leaders" of the conference were beyond clueless idiots.

(06-26-2015 10:31 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  this sort of attitude will drive FSU out of the conference, probably taking someone with them, and when that happens, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Big 10 and SEC pick over the bones

Let's start with the SEC and B1G -- I think most of us can agree that FSU-to-the-SEC is not happening (well, I think Lou_C would concede that). Tallahassee isn't a terribly huge TV market that would attract the attention of the B1G Network.

Those two leagues, then, are out of play. With that context in mind:

A) Where da '----' is FSU going to run to...?

The only possible spot is the Big XII -- That bring me, surprisingly, to this ironic twist:

I mentioned the idea of Iowa State as an ACC member, yet it was 'Schott' down as lunacy (my words, not his), HOWEVER we're to believe FSU would have dragged Clemson to the Big XII that has Iowa State as a current member, yet with more instability than the ACC...?



However, if we're to believe our esteemed FSU fans and FSU wants to leave, make sure to drop the $50M+ check in the dropbox on the way out.

B) Who da '----' is FSU going to drag with them to this mystical league (or the Big XII)?

Louisville...? I'd bet straight cash that Louisville isn't leaving because as much as Louisville has invested heavily in CFB, Men's Basketball is still king up there. The ACC is the premier men's basketball conference.

Clemson...? Again, to the unstable Big XII? I suspect Clemson knows it's in a great spot now and has a relatively easy path to the CFB Playoff and they are scheduling like they want to get there.

Georgia Tech? I'll let Swag comment on that, but I dare venture his response would be along the lines of "Hell's No".

Miami? Hell, half of us would consider that addition-by-subtraction at this point.

Virginia Tech? We're to believe VT is going to forfeit any influence and leverage it now has within the ACC to join FSU's crusade and play under Texas' hubris...?

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I early await Vodka's responses, because it's possible I could be wrong.






















Not likely, however.

You're saying the only market FSU draws well in is the Tallahassee one? Lmao. Omg, tell me more.

And only a clown would say joining a conference with west Virginia, Texas, tcu, Baylor, Texas tech, Oklahoma, ok state, Kansas, Kansas state and Iowa state is the same as inviting Iowa state into the acc while having lukewarm interest in Oklahoma.

(06-26-2015 11:20 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I don't pretend to know vt. I fully expect them to latch onto uva. But they aren't the nc/uva 5. Nobody in that group would listen to vt. They aren't a decision maker. And anybody saying ul will side with those schools after the football schools got them into the conference is a fool, especially if we're talking about adding a football power like Oklahoma.

If the acc voted no on Oklahoma, there would be intense backlash and likely movement out of the conference. Seriously, it would be absolute proof that the acc was destined to remain behind our p5 peers, that nothing whatsoever had actually changed philosophically in #goacc ville, and that the "leaders" of the conference were beyond clueless idiots.

Marge, I used to work at VT before retiring. VT slid into the old boys club like steamed okra. VT is not just their administration - VT has a POWERFUL and influential board. Many, many economic connections to NC. That's part of what pissed off MD - the long expelled brother came home and retook his place - displacing MD.

Let's see if I am following this correctly. We've had threads where posters have advocated Kansas (great bb, no fb), ISU (decent fb/bb), and now Oklahoma (great fb, near elite in bb) all of whom are ranked #106 by US News, but somehow if Okla St (a decent fb/bb combo school, nothing special in either sport), is needed to get the only one of the three above that would actually add value to the ACC, it won't happen because the Cowboys are only ranked #145. Just goes to show that posters on these boards have no clue as to how close the US News rankings are once you get below the Top 30 or so.

And to top it off, there is a belief by some that Louisville, currently ranked 16 spots below the Cowboys at #161 will help the tobacco road club keep both the Sooners and Okla St out, if the latter is the price to get OU interested in the ACC.

Now, realistically, I don't see OU being interested in the ACC myself but if they came calling and they said the price was Okla State as #16, sign me up for that. And while I can't speak for SU on this, I think they might agree with me on this.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-26-2015 12:00 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Marge, I used to work at VT before retiring. VT slid into the old boys club like steamed okra. VT is not just their administration - VT has a POWERFUL and influential board. Many, many economic connections to NC. That's part of what pissed off MD - the long expelled brother came home and retook his place - displacing MD.

Then I say let's really ticked MD off and aggressively go after WVU.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-26-2015 02:02 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Let's see if I am following this correctly. We've had threads where posters have advocated Kansas (great bb, no fb), ISU (decent fb/bb), and now Oklahoma (great fb, near elite in bb) all of whom are ranked #106 by US News, but somehow if Okla St (a decent fb/bb combo school, nothing special in either sport), is needed to get the only one of the three above that would actually add value to the ACC, it won't happen because the Cowboys are only ranked #145. Just goes to show that posters on these boards have no clue as to how close the US News rankings are once you get below the Top 30 or so.

And to top it off, there is a belief by some that Louisville, currently ranked 16 spots below the Cowboys at #161 will help the tobacco road club keep both the Sooners and Okla St out, if the latter is the price to get OU interested in the ACC.

Now, realistically, I don't see OU being interested in the ACC myself but if they came calling and they said the price was Okla State as #16, sign me up for that. And while I can't speak for SU on this, I think they might agree with me on this.

Cheers,
Neil

I don't know about the rest of you, but my objection to Oklahoma State has nothing to do with US News Rankings. In fact, I have no idea how US News entered the discussion.

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Since we live in a world where ND is affiliated in some capacity with the ACC, for my money, you can place three markers on a map -- one on Greensboro, one on NYC, and the other on Chicago.

Every decision the ACC makes going forward about future membership, IMHO, needs to be focused around either that 'triangle' and Men's College Basketball OR landing Texas as a member, in order to pacify ND to the point where they agree to play for an ACC FB championship.

Meaning: If the ACC and Texas can't come to some sort of agreement, then focus on Northwestern (using Wake or Duke as a silent go-between)* as they're likely one of the schools whose addition to the ACC would likely** trigger a move by ND towards playing more league games (say "7"?)

The moment ND does that, we have no need for OU.

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I love our FSU contingent, but if all that pisses them off to the point where they stage rallies in Tallahassee to force FSU to move, make sure to have them drop off $50M+ on the way out.

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* - Northwestern officials are coming to Durham the 3rd weekend of September (re: football game)

** - Terry, this footnote is for you, pacification and all...

(06-26-2015 02:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:02 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Let's see if I am following this correctly. We've had threads where posters have advocated Kansas (great bb, no fb), ISU (decent fb/bb), and now Oklahoma (great fb, near elite in bb) all of whom are ranked #106 by US News, but somehow if Okla St (a decent fb/bb combo school, nothing special in either sport), is needed to get the only one of the three above that would actually add value to the ACC, it won't happen because the Cowboys are only ranked #145. Just goes to show that posters on these boards have no clue as to how close the US News rankings are once you get below the Top 30 or so.

And to top it off, there is a belief by some that Louisville, currently ranked 16 spots below the Cowboys at #161 will help the tobacco road club keep both the Sooners and Okla St out, if the latter is the price to get OU interested in the ACC.

Now, realistically, I don't see OU being interested in the ACC myself but if they came calling and they said the price was Okla State as #16, sign me up for that. And while I can't speak for SU on this, I think they might agree with me on this.

Cheers,
Neil

I don't know about the rest of you, but my objection to Oklahoma State has nothing to do with US News Rankings. In fact, I have no idea how US News entered the discussion.

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Since we live in a world where ND is affiliated in some capacity with the ACC, for my money, you can place three markers on a map -- one on Greensboro, one on NYC, and the other on Chicago.

Every decision the ACC makes going forward about future membership, IMHO, needs to be focused around either that 'triangle' and Men's College Basketball OR landing Texas as a member, in order to pacify ND to the point where they agree to play for an ACC FB championship.

Meaning: If the ACC and Texas can't come to some sort of agreement, then focus on Northwestern (using Wake or Duke as a silent go-between)* as they're likely one of the schools whose addition to the ACC would likely** trigger a move by ND towards playing more league games (say "7"?)

The moment ND does that, we have no need for OU.

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I love our FSU contingent, but if all that pisses them off to the point where they stage rallies in Tallahassee to force FSU to move, make sure to have them drop off $50M+ on the way out.

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* - Northwestern officials are coming to Durham the 3rd weekend of September (re: football game)

** - Terry, this footnote is for you, pacification and all...

Okay, I now see the assumption you made. While it is true that the Chicago area and northern Indiana has an interest in ND, the fact that is the case doesn't necessarily imply that the ACC has an interest in Chicago (or even northern Indiana).

ND has national interest in a lot of places. But outside of the Chicago area it's strongest area of support is in the northeast region. This is why ND was coveted by the ACC, not because of Chicago per se. Chicago is simply a bonus.

And according to the College Football Fan Map, all of the eastern Iowa and western Illinois leading into the areas where ND starts to dominate do not have Iowa State in the top 3 of favorite football teams.

So I hope this wasn't the basis for your advocating ISU over the Cowboys.

Cheers,
Neil

If FSU were to leave the ACC I would hope that Louisville would be one of the ones leaving with them. There's plenty of room for NC & Duke on the ooc bball schedule.

Basketball is still king in the bluegrass state but it is turning out greater football talent than basketball at the high school level.

If a package deal of Texas, Oklahoma and WVU to the ACC were to come about, it would be insane Not to jump on that. The ACC would suddenly become Football Royalty.Throw in ND all in and You Rival the SEC in just about Every corner in Football, and Blow away anyone else on the Basketball side.

(06-26-2015 02:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:02 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Let's see if I am following this correctly. We've had threads where posters have advocated Kansas (great bb, no fb), ISU (decent fb/bb), and now Oklahoma (great fb, near elite in bb) all of whom are ranked #106 by US News, but somehow if Okla St (a decent fb/bb combo school, nothing special in either sport), is needed to get the only one of the three above that would actually add value to the ACC, it won't happen because the Cowboys are only ranked #145. Just goes to show that posters on these boards have no clue as to how close the US News rankings are once you get below the Top 30 or so.

And to top it off, there is a belief by some that Louisville, currently ranked 16 spots below the Cowboys at #161 will help the tobacco road club keep both the Sooners and Okla St out, if the latter is the price to get OU interested in the ACC.

Now, realistically, I don't see OU being interested in the ACC myself but if they came calling and they said the price was Okla State as #16, sign me up for that. And while I can't speak for SU on this, I think they might agree with me on this.

Cheers,
Neil

I don't know about the rest of you, but my objection to Oklahoma State has nothing to do with US News Rankings. In fact, I have no idea how US News entered the discussion.

----

Since we live in a world where ND is affiliated in some capacity with the ACC, for my money, you can place three markers on a map -- one on Greensboro, one on NYC, and the other on Chicago.

Every decision the ACC makes going forward about future membership, IMHO, needs to be focused around either that 'triangle' and Men's College Basketball OR landing Texas as a member, in order to pacify ND to the point where they agree to play for an ACC FB championship.

Meaning: If the ACC and Texas can't come to some sort of agreement, then focus on Northwestern (using Wake or Duke as a silent go-between)* as they're likely one of the schools whose addition to the ACC would likely** trigger a move by ND towards playing more league games (say "7"?)

The moment ND does that, we have no need for OU.

----

I love our FSU contingent, but if all that pisses them off to the point where they stage rallies in Tallahassee to force FSU to move, make sure to have them drop off $50M+ on the way out.

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* - Northwestern officials are coming to Durham the 3rd weekend of September (re: football game)

** - Terry, this footnote is for you, pacification and all...

I appreciate the footnote. :)

On a serious note, can you explain to me why:

1) ND would give one damn about Northwestern at all, and

2) Why would the inclusion of the Wildcats in the ACC cause ND to give up the freedom to schedule two football games?

(06-29-2015 09:41 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If a package deal of Texas, Oklahoma and WVU to the ACC were to come about, it would be insane Not to jump on that. The ACC would suddenly become Football Royalty.Throw in ND all in and You Rival the SEC in just about Every corner in Football, and Blow away anyone else on the Basketball side.

That could get the required votes - the issue would be structure:

Three divisions and a 4 team playoff for football
2 divisions of 9
2 divisions of 8 with Texas and ND playing 7 conference games

(06-29-2015 09:41 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If a package deal of Texas, Oklahoma and WVU to the ACC were to come about, it would be insane Not to jump on that. The ACC would suddenly become Football Royalty.Throw in ND all in and You Rival the SEC in just about Every corner in Football, and Blow away anyone else on the Basketball side.

Why even bother with west Virginia? You'd prefer to leave Texas and Oklahoma on an island?