http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/e...51628.html
This is from SACS, not the NCAA, and it's for the whole school. Apparently, SACS gave UNC a deal about the AFAM classes where alums an students could come back and re-take those classes for real (and for free) but nobody took them up on it. This probation is the highest level of sanction SACS can issue, short of pulling accreditation altogether. No word on what probation really means or what UNC has to do to satisfy that probation.

Forget the NCAA. This is the REAL problem at UNC.

I hope they sort this out - there are a lot of bright kids there that deserve a high-caliber degree.

As I had thought, the accreditation arm would be involved for this kind of academic fiasco. Good for SACS to not be afraid to put their foot down...even on a big school like UNC. After all, SACS would lose considerable creditability and then the schools accredited by them would be scrutinized.
http://www.sacscoc.org/june2014actionsan...ements.asp

Website show which school are on probation. I clicked on SCSU for an example. I gives some detail about what they need to do. In essence, they have to go through the paperwork and process (show standards are being met) as they were being in the process for accreditation. If not, they will be removed and probably won't be able to get accreditation for quite some time.

From the link you can also search for the standards and process SACS that a school must go through to be regional accredited.

I'm pretty leery about any "X Studies" programs. I think they tend to be centers for social advocacy rather than any sort of genuine academic discipline. I would definitely support a Focus/Concentration/YourTermHere within a standard History program where the history of groups who have historically been marginalized by society at large can be studied, (and those histories should be included in history requirements that are part of core curricula) but when those areas are their own department I think it creates the potential for conflicts of interest. While the athletic department may have taken advantage of this situation, I think it was an issue on its own apart from the athletic/eligibility component.

They should have gone ahead and cut off UNC's access to all federal funds. THAT would have been a punishment they'd have long remembered.

A big hit to the wallet is what was needed here, and they didn't do that.

So let me get this strait. UNC creates fake classes with a fake Professor and steers athletes to them to ensure they can remain eligible to play sports. This goes on for over ten years and many non-athletic students also partake of these classes to acquire a now bogus degree. These bogus degrees are being used by many to become employed at higher levels then many whom have actually earned their degrees. Not to mention the student athletes whom can't read or write.

Then the scandal hits and SACS gives UNC Double Super Secret Probation for 12 months. Roughly 1 month per year and no one outside of SACS or UNC knows what the parameters of this Double Secret Probation is or what UNC has to do to remove the probation from them.

WOW!!!! Life really is strait out of the movies. I'm looking at you "Animal House".

(06-13-2015 10:06 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  So let me get this strait. UNC creates fake classes with a fake Professor and steers athletes to them to ensure they can remain eligible to play sports. This goes on for over ten years and many non-athletic students also partake of these classes to acquire a now bogus degree. These bogus degrees are being used by many to become employed at higher levels then many whom have actually earned their degrees. Not to mention the student athletes whom can't read or write.

Then the scandal hits and SACS gives UNC Double Super Secret Probation for 12 months. Roughly 1 month per year and no one outside of SACS or UNC knows what the parameters of this Double Secret Probation is or what UNC has to do to remove the probation from them.

WOW!!!! Life really is strait out of the movies. I'm looking at you "Animal House".

Your whole post is littered with grammatical errors.

(06-13-2015 10:14 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 10:06 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  So let me get this strait. UNC creates fake classes with a fake Professor and steers athletes to them to ensure they can remain eligible to play sports. This goes on for over ten years and many non-athletic students also partake of these classes to acquire a now bogus degree. These bogus degrees are being used by many to become employed at higher levels then many whom have actually earned their degrees. Not to mention the student athletes whom can't read or write.

Then the scandal hits and SACS gives UNC Double Super Secret Probation for 12 months. Roughly 1 month per year and no one outside of SACS or UNC knows what the parameters of this Double Secret Probation is or what UNC has to do to remove the probation from them.

WOW!!!! Life really is strait out of the movies. I'm looking at you "Animal House".

Your whole post is littered with grammatical errors.

Thank you so very much. I'm glad that I'm progressively devolution.

(06-11-2015 03:08 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/e...51628.html
This is from SACS, not the NCAA, and it's for the whole school. Apparently, SACS gave UNC a deal about the AFAM classes where alums an students could come back and re-take those classes for real (and for free) but nobody took them up on it. This probation is the highest level of sanction SACS can issue, short of pulling accreditation altogether. No word on what probation really means or what UNC has to do to satisfy that probation.

This is a really big deal and a huge stain on UNC. This cannot be diminished by academic types or those who rate Universities.

The biggest harm is UNC is very vulnerable right now. They are standing on the edge of the abyss, and if they were not fully forthright this time with the SACS, or they cross these lines during the next year, UNC could get the academic death penalty- one year lost accreditation most likely.

Here is the REAL DANGER; if they were not forthright in this last investigation, or they do something really stupid during the next year, someone else may push them into the abyss. Think Texas fans and SMU after the first time SMU was put on probation before the death penalty, except this would be academics accreditation on the line, not NCCA athletics. The similarities between the two examples would be the opportunity, the motive of the possible pusher, and who such possible pusher likely would be, a sports fan.

If there is another shoe that could drop, the fall would be deep into the abyss.

(06-13-2015 11:07 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 03:08 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/e...51628.html
This is from SACS, not the NCAA, and it's for the whole school. Apparently, SACS gave UNC a deal about the AFAM classes where alums an students could come back and re-take those classes for real (and for free) but nobody took them up on it. This probation is the highest level of sanction SACS can issue, short of pulling accreditation altogether. No word on what probation really means or what UNC has to do to satisfy that probation.

This is a really big deal and a huge stain on UNC. This cannot be diminished by academic types or those who rate Universities.

The biggest harm is UNC is very vulnerable right now. They are standing on the edge of the abyss, and if they were not fully forthright this time with the SACS, or they cross these lines during the next year, UNC could get the academic death penalty- one year lost accreditation most likely.

Here is the REAL DANGER; if they were not forthright in this last investigation, or they do something really stupid during the next year, someone else may push them into the abyss. Think Texas fans and SMU after the first time SMU was put on probation before the death penalty, except this would be academics accreditation on the line, not NCCA athletics. The similarities between the two examples would be the opportunity, the motive of the possible pusher, and who such possible pusher likely would be, a sports fan.

If there is another shoe that could drop, the fall would be deep into the abyss.

This is really much to do about nothing. There is simply no way anyone can convince me that SACS would dare pull UNC's accreditation from them. That is unless SACS actually does so and even then, I would be in disbelief that any unfavorable actions were taken towards UNC.

(06-13-2015 10:14 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 10:06 AM) USFRamenu Wrote:  So let me get this strait. UNC creates fake classes with a fake Professor and steers athletes to them to ensure they can remain eligible to play sports. This goes on for over ten years and many non-athletic students also partake of these classes to acquire a now bogus degree. These bogus degrees are being used by many to become employed at higher levels then many whom have actually earned their degrees. Not to mention the student athletes whom can't read or write.

Then the scandal hits and SACS gives UNC Double Super Secret Probation for 12 months. Roughly 1 month per year and no one outside of SACS or UNC knows what the parameters of this Double Secret Probation is or what UNC has to do to remove the probation from them.

WOW!!!! Life really is strait out of the movies. I'm looking at you "Animal House".

Your whole post is littered with grammatical errors.

This is rich. A UNC "ACADEMIC" is playing the nit picker here. Irony rules.

(06-13-2015 12:20 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 10:14 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 10:06 AM) USFRamenu Wrote:  So let me get this strait. UNC creates fake classes with a fake Professor and steers athletes to them to ensure they can remain eligible to play sports. This goes on for over ten years and many non-athletic students also partake of these classes to acquire a now bogus degree. These bogus degrees are being used by many to become employed at higher levels then many whom have actually earned their degrees. Not to mention the student athletes whom can't read or write.

Then the scandal hits and SACS gives UNC Double Super Secret Probation for 12 months. Roughly 1 month per year and no one outside of SACS or UNC knows what the parameters of this Double Secret Probation is or what UNC has to do to remove the probation from them.

WOW!!!! Life really is strait out of the movies. I'm looking at you "Animal House".

Your whole post is littered with grammatical errors.

This is rich. A UNC "ACADEMIC" is playing the nit picker here. Irony rules.

Bit, I'm sure he made his post in jest. Thus the wine sipping emote. Either that or he's attempting to act haughty. In which case I'll pose this question for him/her; "How are you grading me? It's not like I took any real classes." It's the Carolina Way!

Question? If North Carolina did lose their accreditation? Would all their games be considered not countable as wins and stats like the list with College of Faith schools?

(06-13-2015 01:35 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 12:20 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 10:14 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 10:06 AM) USFRamenu Wrote:  So let me get this strait. UNC creates fake classes with a fake Professor and steers athletes to them to ensure they can remain eligible to play sports. This goes on for over ten years and many non-athletic students also partake of these classes to acquire a now bogus degree. These bogus degrees are being used by many to become employed at higher levels then many whom have actually earned their degrees. Not to mention the student athletes whom can't read or write.

Then the scandal hits and SACS gives UNC Double Super Secret Probation for 12 months. Roughly 1 month per year and no one outside of SACS or UNC knows what the parameters of this Double Secret Probation is or what UNC has to do to remove the probation from them.

WOW!!!! Life really is strait out of the movies. I'm looking at you "Animal House".

Your whole post is littered with grammatical errors.

This is rich. A UNC "ACADEMIC" is playing the nit picker here. Irony rules.

Bit, I'm sure he made his post in jest. Thus the wine sipping emote. Either that or he's attempting to act haughty. In which case I'll pose this question for him/her; "How are you grading me? It's not like I took any real classes." It's the Carolina Way!

That doesn't change the irony of the situation. You got to admit, it was pretty ironic.

(06-13-2015 11:53 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:07 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 03:08 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/e...51628.html
This is from SACS, not the NCAA, and it's for the whole school. Apparently, SACS gave UNC a deal about the AFAM classes where alums an students could come back and re-take those classes for real (and for free) but nobody took them up on it. This probation is the highest level of sanction SACS can issue, short of pulling accreditation altogether. No word on what probation really means or what UNC has to do to satisfy that probation.

This is a really big deal and a huge stain on UNC. This cannot be diminished by academic types or those who rate Universities.

The biggest harm is UNC is very vulnerable right now. They are standing on the edge of the abyss, and if they were not fully forthright this time with the SACS, or they cross these lines during the next year, UNC could get the academic death penalty- one year lost accreditation most likely.

Here is the REAL DANGER; if they were not forthright in this last investigation, or they do something really stupid during the next year, someone else may push them into the abyss. Think Texas fans and SMU after the first time SMU was put on probation before the death penalty, except this would be academics accreditation on the line, not NCCA athletics. The similarities between the two examples would be the opportunity, the motive of the possible pusher, and who such possible pusher likely would be, a sports fan.

If there is another shoe that could drop, the fall would be deep into the abyss.

This is really much to do about nothing. There is simply no way anyone can convince me that SACS would dare pull UNC's accreditation from them. That is unless SACS actually does so and even then, I would be in disbelief that any unfavorable actions were taken towards UNC.

I hate to agree with Noodles, but in this case I do. The University of North Carolina's accreditation is NOT in any form of jeopardy. There is NOTHING that will cause SACS to revoke it, and if they did there would be hell for SACS to pay politically. UNC is too big and too powerful. They are simply unaccountable and to think otherwise is foolish.

(06-13-2015 04:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:53 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:07 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 03:08 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/e...51628.html
This is from SACS, not the NCAA, and it's for the whole school. Apparently, SACS gave UNC a deal about the AFAM classes where alums an students could come back and re-take those classes for real (and for free) but nobody took them up on it. This probation is the highest level of sanction SACS can issue, short of pulling accreditation altogether. No word on what probation really means or what UNC has to do to satisfy that probation.

This is a really big deal and a huge stain on UNC. This cannot be diminished by academic types or those who rate Universities.

The biggest harm is UNC is very vulnerable right now. They are standing on the edge of the abyss, and if they were not fully forthright this time with the SACS, or they cross these lines during the next year, UNC could get the academic death penalty- one year lost accreditation most likely.

Here is the REAL DANGER; if they were not forthright in this last investigation, or they do something really stupid during the next year, someone else may push them into the abyss. Think Texas fans and SMU after the first time SMU was put on probation before the death penalty, except this would be academics accreditation on the line, not NCCA athletics. The similarities between the two examples would be the opportunity, the motive of the possible pusher, and who such possible pusher likely would be, a sports fan.

If there is another shoe that could drop, the fall would be deep into the abyss.

This is really much to do about nothing. There is simply no way anyone can convince me that SACS would dare pull UNC's accreditation from them. That is unless SACS actually does so and even then, I would be in disbelief that any unfavorable actions were taken towards UNC.

I hate to agree with Noodles, but in this case I do. The University of North Carolina's accreditation is NOT in any form of jeopardy. There is NOTHING that will cause SACS to revoke it, and if they did there would be hell for SACS to pay politically. UNC is too big and too powerful. They are simply unaccountable and to think otherwise is foolish.

Georgetown, KY is on the warning list by SACs. They tried to apply for D2, and got rejected. Some smaller schools got revoked by SACs like Virginia University of Lynchburg. They are not even in any organization except for HBCU. I find it strange that UNC did something major while the smaller schools did minor things in comparision and get revoked.

Where's Dean Wormer? We need double-secret probation.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014...-probation

NAIA Brewton-Parker got striped of their accreditation. South Carolina State on noticed that they could lose their's.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009.../paulquinn

Paul Quinn

https://baptistnews.com/ministry/organiz...ist-school

Shorter been mentioned in this one.

http://www.heraldcourier.com/news/local/...0f31a.html

Virginia Intermont lost theirs.

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/vi...f6878.html

This is why NCAA put Lynchburg on the not accountable list.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news...ion/ngSHP/

http://www.memphis-umc.net/newsdetail/45577

This killed Lambuth. They wound up closing down.

As you can see, SACS and TRACS ht the smaller school harde who do not have the resources to fixed the problems.

(06-13-2015 04:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:53 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:07 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 03:08 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/e...51628.html
This is from SACS, not the NCAA, and it's for the whole school. Apparently, SACS gave UNC a deal about the AFAM classes where alums an students could come back and re-take those classes for real (and for free) but nobody took them up on it. This probation is the highest level of sanction SACS can issue, short of pulling accreditation altogether. No word on what probation really means or what UNC has to do to satisfy that probation.

This is a really big deal and a huge stain on UNC. This cannot be diminished by academic types or those who rate Universities.

The biggest harm is UNC is very vulnerable right now. They are standing on the edge of the abyss, and if they were not fully forthright this time with the SACS, or they cross these lines during the next year, UNC could get the academic death penalty- one year lost accreditation most likely.

Here is the REAL DANGER; if they were not forthright in this last investigation, or they do something really stupid during the next year, someone else may push them into the abyss. Think Texas fans and SMU after the first time SMU was put on probation before the death penalty, except this would be academics accreditation on the line, not NCCA athletics. The similarities between the two examples would be the opportunity, the motive of the possible pusher, and who such possible pusher likely would be, a sports fan.

If there is another shoe that could drop, the fall would be deep into the abyss.

This is really much to do about nothing. There is simply no way anyone can convince me that SACS would dare pull UNC's accreditation from them. That is unless SACS actually does so and even then, I would be in disbelief that any unfavorable actions were taken towards UNC.

I hate to agree with Noodles, but in this case I do. The University of North Carolina's accreditation is NOT in any form of jeopardy. There is NOTHING that will cause SACS to revoke it, and if they did there would be hell for SACS to pay politically. UNC is too big and too powerful. They are simply unaccountable and to think otherwise is foolish.

No...they are in jeopardy. SACS is the accreditation agency for all the schools in the SE US. This is not just North Carolina politics. Schools from Texas to North Carolina are accredited by this agency. If SACS doesn't enforce the standards, then they all are under scrutiny regarding being an accredited college. You think the schools on the list that are on probation aren't paying attention to this? They would have a strong case against SACS for not enforcing the academic accreditation.
You misunderstand the situation here, there is no political price to pay of a accreditation agency that covers all colleges in the 11 states that SACS covers.

(06-13-2015 06:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 04:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:53 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:07 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 03:08 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/e...51628.html
This is from SACS, not the NCAA, and it's for the whole school. Apparently, SACS gave UNC a deal about the AFAM classes where alums an students could come back and re-take those classes for real (and for free) but nobody took them up on it. This probation is the highest level of sanction SACS can issue, short of pulling accreditation altogether. No word on what probation really means or what UNC has to do to satisfy that probation.

This is a really big deal and a huge stain on UNC. This cannot be diminished by academic types or those who rate Universities.

The biggest harm is UNC is very vulnerable right now. They are standing on the edge of the abyss, and if they were not fully forthright this time with the SACS, or they cross these lines during the next year, UNC could get the academic death penalty- one year lost accreditation most likely.

Here is the REAL DANGER; if they were not forthright in this last investigation, or they do something really stupid during the next year, someone else may push them into the abyss. Think Texas fans and SMU after the first time SMU was put on probation before the death penalty, except this would be academics accreditation on the line, not NCCA athletics. The similarities between the two examples would be the opportunity, the motive of the possible pusher, and who such possible pusher likely would be, a sports fan.

If there is another shoe that could drop, the fall would be deep into the abyss.

This is really much to do about nothing. There is simply no way anyone can convince me that SACS would dare pull UNC's accreditation from them. That is unless SACS actually does so and even then, I would be in disbelief that any unfavorable actions were taken towards UNC.

I hate to agree with Noodles, but in this case I do. The University of North Carolina's accreditation is NOT in any form of jeopardy. There is NOTHING that will cause SACS to revoke it, and if they did there would be hell for SACS to pay politically. UNC is too big and too powerful. They are simply unaccountable and to think otherwise is foolish.

No...they are in jeopardy. SACS is the accreditation agency for all the schools in the SE US. This is not just North Carolina politics. Schools from Texas to North Carolina are accredited by this agency. If SACS doesn't enforce the standards, then they all are under scrutiny regarding being an accredited college. You think the schools on the list that are on probation aren't paying attention to this? They would have a strong case against SACS for not enforcing the academic accreditation.
You misunderstand the situation here, there is no political price to pay of a accreditation agency that covers all colleges in the 11 states that SACS covers.

Smaller schools can get revoked.

The rules do not...have NEVER...applied to major players. There is simply too much money and power invested to think that UNC, or Texas, or any other major university will ever be in serious jeopardy. It just will not ever happen.