(05-28-2015 08:24 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 07:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 05:27 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  Fairytale lol. Now that’s funny.

Evidently you are not knowledgeable as to how it works here in the US. I don’t think you understand how Wal-Mart made a profit in the first quarter (made the money/profit-$billions$) but didn’t reach their earlier predicted expectations due to wage realignments. Their stock suffered a bit but not unexpected.

Tiger season tickets in bball vs football is a required donation vs no donations. Again, apples to oranges.

I didn’t want to get into this messy thread but you have challenged Memphians who unlike you, have been here every day. They know.

And I know too.

You and buddy are confused. I merely answered a question about whether or not I went to any games. I didn't say anything about being a major donor or buying expensive seats. I make a donation every year and buy the least expensive football season tickets. I will probably spend the same amount this year and do all youth village tickets. As far as Walmart goes; neither them, nor Tiger basketball lost money last year.

The only thing that is messy is you trying to make sense out of anything.

The numbers for football does not include this past year. While still at a loss, it's less than in past years as reported in the CA. If football continues to grow with winning seasons and bowl games, football deficits will be a thing of the past. That is my hope. We'll just have to wait and see.

The Liberty Bowl's stadium capacity will never allow for the football program to turn a profit in its current conference. Supply will always outpace demand and ticket prices will hover around the same price as CBHS charges for a high school game on a Friday night. 65k is a pipe dream, and even if it's achievable, it will come on the backs of ticket giveaways and promotions. Memphis needs a stadium that will allow it the ability to charge 35k-40k fans $40 per ticket per game.

(05-28-2015 03:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 03:16 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 02:15 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 01:06 PM)wylioats Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 08:33 AM)Stammers Wrote:  It will get better, but to put it into perspective; if we draw 8,000 more fans per game with an average ticket price of $10; that only adds around $600,000 of revenue per year. It will be almost impossible without getting into a major conference.

I see your point and partly agree with what you're saying. But if the football program continues to prosper, keep winning and going to bowl games, hopefully the increased attendance will go higher than the 8,000 you mentioned, and hopefully the $10.00 tickets will be a thing of the past with full price being charged for the tickets. Then and only then will the deficit be greatly reduced. As we all know, Memphis loves a winner, and winners draw fans, maybe, just maybe our football program can accomplish this. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

That number gets us to 42,000, which would be great number. I don't know if our ceiling is much more than 45,000. For sure we should be able to get more per ticket. What will hold back ticket prices is a 62,500 seat stadium and the boxes being 3 miles above field level.

The clock is ticking. Right now there are 65 schools that make at least $17 million per year in tv money. We make somewhere in the neighborhood of $4 million. We have built up enough momentum and can probably sustain and maybe even climb a little higher for the next couple of years, but after that, you are looking at literally a $50 million difference in revenue over a 3 year period.

I don't think it is possible to overcome that.

The problem is that the average ticket price is peanuts. The average ticket price over the last decade was probably about $15 per game. Even if you get 45,000 per game...at that price the total ticket revenue is only $4 Million for six home games.

We have to have enough success to build demand to increase ticket prices.

The average ticket price for decent seats at Tigers BB games or Griz games is in the neighborhood of $100 per game.

I agree completely. Somewhat off topic, do you think you could get 5,000 fans to pay $10,000 (payable over 5 years) for a seat license in an OCS? That would raise $50 million.

$10k per seat or $10k for 4 or 5 seats?

(05-29-2015 07:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 08:24 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 07:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 05:27 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  Fairytale lol. Now that’s funny.

Evidently you are not knowledgeable as to how it works here in the US. I don’t think you understand how Wal-Mart made a profit in the first quarter (made the money/profit-$billions$) but didn’t reach their earlier predicted expectations due to wage realignments. Their stock suffered a bit but not unexpected.

Tiger season tickets in bball vs football is a required donation vs no donations. Again, apples to oranges.

I didn’t want to get into this messy thread but you have challenged Memphians who unlike you, have been here every day. They know.

And I know too.

You and buddy are confused. I merely answered a question about whether or not I went to any games. I didn't say anything about being a major donor or buying expensive seats. I make a donation every year and buy the least expensive football season tickets. I will probably spend the same amount this year and do all youth village tickets. As far as Walmart goes; neither them, nor Tiger basketball lost money last year.

The only thing that is messy is you trying to make sense out of anything.

The numbers for football does not include this past year. While still at a loss, it's less than in past years as reported in the CA. If football continues to grow with winning seasons and bowl games, football deficits will be a thing of the past. That is my hope. We'll just have to wait and see.

The Liberty Bowl's stadium capacity will never allow for the football program to turn a profit in its current conference. Supply will always outpace demand and ticket prices will hover around the same price as CBHS charges for a high school game on a Friday night. 65k is a pipe dream, and even if it's achievable, it will come on the backs of ticket giveaways and promotions. Memphis needs a stadium that will allow it the ability to charge 35k-40k fans $40 per ticket per game.

There is no reason that you couldn't increase all ticket prices if there was a long run of success ala Boise, Louisville, or TCU.

If we strung together 2 or 3 straight 10-win seasons then you could charge $125 per game for box seats and $40 or $50 per game for all other seats in the stadium.

Maybe you consider a "fun zone" at $25 per game, but limit the number to 5,000 or so and put them under the scoreboard.

(05-29-2015 10:00 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 07:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 08:24 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 07:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 05:27 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  Fairytale lol. Now that’s funny.

Evidently you are not knowledgeable as to how it works here in the US. I don’t think you understand how Wal-Mart made a profit in the first quarter (made the money/profit-$billions$) but didn’t reach their earlier predicted expectations due to wage realignments. Their stock suffered a bit but not unexpected.

Tiger season tickets in bball vs football is a required donation vs no donations. Again, apples to oranges.

I didn’t want to get into this messy thread but you have challenged Memphians who unlike you, have been here every day. They know.

And I know too.

You and buddy are confused. I merely answered a question about whether or not I went to any games. I didn't say anything about being a major donor or buying expensive seats. I make a donation every year and buy the least expensive football season tickets. I will probably spend the same amount this year and do all youth village tickets. As far as Walmart goes; neither them, nor Tiger basketball lost money last year.

The only thing that is messy is you trying to make sense out of anything.

The numbers for football does not include this past year. While still at a loss, it's less than in past years as reported in the CA. If football continues to grow with winning seasons and bowl games, football deficits will be a thing of the past. That is my hope. We'll just have to wait and see.

The Liberty Bowl's stadium capacity will never allow for the football program to turn a profit in its current conference. Supply will always outpace demand and ticket prices will hover around the same price as CBHS charges for a high school game on a Friday night. 65k is a pipe dream, and even if it's achievable, it will come on the backs of ticket giveaways and promotions. Memphis needs a stadium that will allow it the ability to charge 35k-40k fans $40 per ticket per game.

There is no reason that you couldn't increase all ticket prices if there was a long run of success ala Boise, Louisville, or TCU.

If we strung together 2 or 3 straight 10-win seasons then you could charge $125 per game for box seats and $40 or $50 per game for all other seats in the stadium.

Maybe you consider a "fun zone" at $25 per game, but limit the number to 5,000 or so and put them under the scoreboard.

Too much of a supply-demand issue.

Maybe there will be some people who have to have a chair back seat and will pay more for them, but the average person will still be able to a la carte games and (more than likely) come up on free tickets to games even when there are really 40,000 in attendance.

(05-28-2015 02:15 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 01:06 PM)wylioats Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 08:33 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 08:24 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 07:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You and buddy are confused. I merely answered a question about whether or not I went to any games. I didn't say anything about being a major donor or buying expensive seats. I make a donation every year and buy the least expensive football season tickets. I will probably spend the same amount this year and do all youth village tickets. As far as Walmart goes; neither them, nor Tiger basketball lost money last year.

The only thing that is messy is you trying to make sense out of anything.

The numbers for football does not include this past year. While still at a loss, it's less than in past years as reported in the CA. If football continues to grow with winning seasons and bowl games, football deficits will be a thing of the past. That is my hope. We'll just have to wait and see.

It will get better, but to put it into perspective; if we draw 8,000 more fans per game with an average ticket price of $10; that only adds around $600,000 of revenue per year. It will be almost impossible without getting into a major conference.

I see your point and partly agree with what you're saying. But if the football program continues to prosper, keep winning and going to bowl games, hopefully the increased attendance will go higher than the 8,000 you mentioned, and hopefully the $10.00 tickets will be a thing of the past with full price being charged for the tickets. Then and only then will the deficit be greatly reduced. As we all know, Memphis loves a winner, and winners draw fans, maybe, just maybe our football program can accomplish this. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

That number gets us to 42,000, which would be great number. I don't know if our ceiling is much more than 45,000. For sure we should be able to get more per ticket. What will hold back ticket prices is a 62,500 seat stadium and the boxes being 3 miles above field level.

The clock is ticking. Right now there are 65 schools that make at least $17 million per year in tv money. We make somewhere in the neighborhood of $4 million. We have built up enough momentum and can probably sustain and maybe even climb a little higher for the next couple of years, but after that, you are looking at literally a $50 million difference in revenue over a 3 year period.

I don't think it is possible to overcome that.

I agree. A 62,500 seat stadium is just too damn big for our football program, as it is for most other D1 programs. Many (most) programs, even the P5 conference schools don't draw enough to need a 62,000 seat stadium (exception SEC schools). Many draw in the 35,000 to 45,000 range. A 45,000 seat stadium is what we need, with room for expansion if needed as our program grows.

As far as the $50 million difference in revenue over a 3 year period. Yes that is a hugh difference and will be hard to compete against. All we can do is keep winning, going to bowl games, draw crowds in the 42,000 to 45,000 range and keep our APR in good standing (as is the case now). hopefully then, one of the P5 conferences will see us as good enough to have us join them. Until then, all we can do as fans is keep supporting the football program, along with our basketball program.

(05-29-2015 10:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 10:00 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 07:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 08:24 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 07:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You and buddy are confused. I merely answered a question about whether or not I went to any games. I didn't say anything about being a major donor or buying expensive seats. I make a donation every year and buy the least expensive football season tickets. I will probably spend the same amount this year and do all youth village tickets. As far as Walmart goes; neither them, nor Tiger basketball lost money last year.

The only thing that is messy is you trying to make sense out of anything.

The numbers for football does not include this past year. While still at a loss, it's less than in past years as reported in the CA. If football continues to grow with winning seasons and bowl games, football deficits will be a thing of the past. That is my hope. We'll just have to wait and see.

The Liberty Bowl's stadium capacity will never allow for the football program to turn a profit in its current conference. Supply will always outpace demand and ticket prices will hover around the same price as CBHS charges for a high school game on a Friday night. 65k is a pipe dream, and even if it's achievable, it will come on the backs of ticket giveaways and promotions. Memphis needs a stadium that will allow it the ability to charge 35k-40k fans $40 per ticket per game.

There is no reason that you couldn't increase all ticket prices if there was a long run of success ala Boise, Louisville, or TCU.

If we strung together 2 or 3 straight 10-win seasons then you could charge $125 per game for box seats and $40 or $50 per game for all other seats in the stadium.

Maybe you consider a "fun zone" at $25 per game, but limit the number to 5,000 or so and put them under the scoreboard.

Too much of a supply-demand issue.

Maybe there will be some people who have to have a chair back seat and will pay more for them, but the average person will still be able to a la carte games and (more than likely) come up on free tickets to games even when there are really 40,000 in attendance.

1. They can easily limit tickets to any number they want to.
2. There aren't that many chairback seats and I'm pretty certain they are always sold out.
3. If you sell every single ticket for a minimum of $40 then you are still increasing revenue if people pick and choose.

Raising ticket prices is a viable option only if there is sustained success. Check out how much Boise and Louisville charge for their tickets.

Quote: They can easily limit tickets to any number they want to.

Then why don't they.

Quote:Check out how much Boise and Louisville charge for their tickets.

Papa John's Cardinal Stadium Capacity: 55,000; Louisville average attendance: 52,971

Albertson's Stadium Capacity: 36,387; Boise State average attendance: 34,366

Liberty Bowl Capacity 61,008; Memphis Average Attendance 33,851 (28,357 in 2013)

See also

(05-29-2015 01:56 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

Quote: They can easily limit tickets to any number they want to.

Then why don't they.

Quote:Check out how much Boise and Louisville charge for their tickets.

Papa John's Cardinal Stadium Capacity: 55,000; Louisville average attendance: 52,971

Albertson's Stadium Capacity: 36,387; Boise State average attendance: 34,366

Liberty Bowl Capacity 61,008; Memphis Average Attendance 33,851 (28,357 in 2013)

See also

So you would just throw in the towel?

(05-28-2015 12:42 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 12:34 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 11:28 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 10:51 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 01:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Technically, no, but I have 8 season tickets for football.

Can you let HoopDreams borrow one?

You still going to allow him to leech off your tailgate?

Imma leach off yours too.

Equal opportunity free loader.

We are an equal opportunity outfit. We don't discriminate on what color blue you have on, where you went to school, what city you're from, what type of car you drive, what type of license plate you have, if you purchased tickets or not, etc.

We are just glad you're there supporting the Tigers.

So I got some questions about tailgating. I got the idea that there is food there, but you still go to the game...right?

What are the hours?
And people don't fight with each other there...do they? That would just be the pits.

(05-24-2015 05:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 10:32 PM)450bench Wrote:  Between my son, my dad and myself we can account for about 12 lower bowl seats opening up and a sack full of money remaining in our pockets. First time in 41 years we can say that.
If 1.9 million was lost last year, that number could triple this coming year.

Unless it is because of pure hate for Pastner (which you admit) this seems a bit weird...

1996
- Ranked in top 10 to start the season
- Ranked #3 in the country in January
- 1 basket away from being ranked #1 in the country in January
- NCAA 1st round loss
CONCLUSION - no problem, still support the program/coach

1997
- No NCAA
- 16-15
CONCLUSION - no problem, still support the program/coach

1998
- No NCAA
- 17-12
- Lose to Southern Miss by 28 in 1st round of CUSA tournament
CONCLUSION - no problem, still support the program/coach

1999
- No NCAA
- 13-15
CONCLUSION - no problem, still support the program/coach (Tic Price!)

2000
- No NCAA
- 15-16
- 2 consecutive losing seasons
CONCLUSION - no problem, still support the program/coach

2001
- No NCAA
- 21-15
CONCLUSION - no problem, still support the program/coach

2002
- No NCAA
- 27-9
- First time in 32 years the program went 6 years without making the NCAA tournament
CONCLUSION - no problem, still support the coach/program

2011-2014
- 4 straight NCAA's
- 2 NCAA wins

2015
- No NCAA
- 18-14
CONCLUSION - I can't take it; the program is in ruins, I give up

Very strange how some of you people think in Memphis. I could throw around a few theories that would get people severely bent out of shape, but I won't. It is hard to avoid coming to certain conclusions though, that's for sure.

Why leave out the Calapari years?

That's when everyone got spoiled...and why they expect more.

(05-30-2015 06:10 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 12:42 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 12:34 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 11:28 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 10:51 AM)3601 Wrote:  Can you let HoopDreams borrow one?

You still going to allow him to leech off your tailgate?

Imma leach off yours too.

Equal opportunity free loader.

We are an equal opportunity outfit. We don't discriminate on what color blue you have on, where you went to school, what city you're from, what type of car you drive, what type of license plate you have, if you purchased tickets or not, etc.

We are just glad you're there supporting the Tigers.

So I got some questions about tailgating. I got the idea that there is food there, but you still go to the game...right?

What are the hours?
And people don't fight with each other there...do they? That would just be the pits.

Food, drink, fun. On gamedays usually kick it off by 10am. Yeah we go to the game. Try to make kickoff, but that's sometimes hard to do when you have to break stuff down and pack it up. I'm not getting a cooler or anything else stolen again.

I've never seen a fight. I've seen some colorful discussions. Especially with some punk ass frat boy from Ole Piss. Then again, you have your tailgate lurkers that don't have the nurts to walk up to you and say it to your face and instead would attempt to ridicule you on the internet for supporting the Hometown team.

Just don't challenge me to the bouncy house obstacle course. You'll get smoked.

(05-29-2015 01:56 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

Quote: They can easily limit tickets to any number they want to.

Then why don't they.

Quote:Check out how much Boise and Louisville charge for their tickets.

Papa John's Cardinal Stadium Capacity: 55,000; Louisville average attendance: 52,971

Albertson's Stadium Capacity: 36,387; Boise State average attendance: 34,366

Liberty Bowl Capacity 61,008; Memphis Average Attendance 33,851 (28,357 in 2013)

See also

Boise had an increase 11 years in a row and then finally leveled off after season tickets hit almost 25,000. The "dip" for the 2014 season came after a "down" season for the Broncos and their head coach left. Shocking!

I'm not sure this is very good "evidence" to support your argument.

(05-30-2015 03:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 01:56 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

Quote: They can easily limit tickets to any number they want to.

Then why don't they.

Quote:Check out how much Boise and Louisville charge for their tickets.

Papa John's Cardinal Stadium Capacity: 55,000; Louisville average attendance: 52,971

Albertson's Stadium Capacity: 36,387; Boise State average attendance: 34,366

Liberty Bowl Capacity 61,008; Memphis Average Attendance 33,851 (28,357 in 2013)

See also

So you would just throw in the towel?

No. Our average attendance last year was right there with Boise State's. Yet they are successful and can extract a premium and we are struggling (even though their attendance is off by 12 percent since 2012 and ours was better by 20 percent). Some of that is demographics. But a major difference is that they aren't trying to sell 30,000 people 60,000 tickets.

Take a look at the game by game attendance at Boise, Lousiville, Memphis, and let's add in our conference mate Cincinatti who, like us, play in a stadium that is too big for them (Paul Brown Stadium Capacity: 65,535 Cincinatti Attendance: 28,840).

Boise is averaging $125 a ticket. That's more than the average ticket price for our game against Mississippi (which are marked up more than 100% over our other games). It's also easy to see that unlike Louisville and Boise whose attendance is stable, ours and Cincinnati's fans are going to games al a carte, making our attendance fluctuate way more, which is easy to do when you always know that tickets (decent tickets no less) will be available. And tickets are always available because the stadium we play in is too large for us.

If the average fan knows they'll be able to walk up and go to Cincinnati and Mississippi next year, how likely are they to buy season tickets. And if they don't buy season tickets, how likely are they going to be to go see us play Tulane on Halloween?

(05-23-2015 03:45 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(05-23-2015 03:38 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Win big, solve all problems.

25+ wins and a S16 berth?

- Extension with pay raise likely
- Fans off back, in fact fans BEGGING him to stay (lifetime contract, first born, etc, etc)
- Recruiting goes up, making it easier to duplicate said S16
- Donation boost, leading to better facilities and assistant pay, leading to more wins.

Do that? Pastner will be golden and own Memphis on any terms he chooses.

Honestly, it's not ALL about wins anymore. It's about the culture and all the other curiously strange things that have gone on here under this coach's tenure. He's not the guy for the job here. Personally I think Josh has no chance of winning a large portion of hardcore fans back. None. That presents a huge problem.

Spot on

(06-01-2015 12:04 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 03:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 01:56 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

Quote: They can easily limit tickets to any number they want to.

Then why don't they.

Quote:Check out how much Boise and Louisville charge for their tickets.

Papa John's Cardinal Stadium Capacity: 55,000; Louisville average attendance: 52,971

Albertson's Stadium Capacity: 36,387; Boise State average attendance: 34,366

Liberty Bowl Capacity 61,008; Memphis Average Attendance 33,851 (28,357 in 2013)

See also

So you would just throw in the towel?

No. Our average attendance last year was right there with Boise State's. Yet they are successful and can extract a premium and we are struggling (even though their attendance is off by 12 percent since 2012 and ours was better by 20 percent). Some of that is demographics. But a major difference is that they aren't trying to sell 30,000 people 60,000 tickets.

Take a look at the game by game attendance at Boise, Lousiville, Memphis, and let's add in our conference mate Cincinatti who, like us, play in a stadium that is too big for them (Paul Brown Stadium Capacity: 65,535 Cincinatti Attendance: 28,840).

Boise is averaging $125 a ticket. That's more than the average ticket price for our game against Mississippi (which are marked up more than 100% over our other games). It's also easy to see that unlike Louisville and Boise whose attendance is stable, ours and Cincinnati's fans are going to games al a carte, making our attendance fluctuate way more, which is easy to do when you always know that tickets (decent tickets no less) will be available. And tickets are always available because the stadium we play in is too large for us.

If the average fan knows they'll be able to walk up and go to Cincinnati and Mississippi next year, how likely are they to buy season tickets. And if they don't buy season tickets, how likely are they going to be to go see us play Tulane on Halloween?

So you don't think season tickets would increase dramatically if we ran off six or seven straight 10 win seasons?

I think our average attendance would go up to like 45,000 thousand. I think season ticket sales would go up, but would still be disappointing because people would still al a carte games, especially in the non-chairback sections. And I think our average ticket price would be below what it could be.

(06-01-2015 02:12 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  I think our average attendance would go up to like 45,000 thousand. I think season ticket sales would go up, but would still be disappointing because people would still al a carte games, especially in the non-chairback sections. And I think our average ticket price would be below what it could be.

As long as you have 17,000 empty seats, you aren't going to create any kind of a demand.

Just add this rationale to the reasons to have an OCS........

(06-01-2015 02:34 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Just add this rationale to the reasons to have an OCS........

100% true. 42,000 seats not including luxury boxes would be optimal.

(06-01-2015 02:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 02:34 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Just add this rationale to the reasons to have an OCS........

100% true. 42,000 seats not including luxury boxes would be optimal.

Creating enough excitement to fill a 55,000 seat stadium would be optimal. If Louisville can do it then why can't we do it?

Get rid of 4,000 seats in the south end zone.