(05-19-2015 01:39 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  This is a pipe dream of the highest order, but if the TV deal were to increase so that it matches/barely exceeds the Big East deal (unlikely but certainly possible)...

...would anyone consider the thought of trying to add either Marquette or Georgetown?

They would do the following:

- Add a fourth school in the top 60 of the USNWR (Georgetown is top 25, Marquette is a more-than-respectable 58ish)
- Add a new metropolitan market
- Add a tournament bid to the conference
- Give a few teams a more natural rival (I'm sure Cincy and Memphis would enjoy games against Marquette)
- Balance the Navy addition

IF the TV deal increases in time (which is a hope and not a sure thing), then the AAC could offer those programs better rates of exposure on better networks (ratings-wise).

Not bad but I don't think they would leave the Big East for this conference

(05-19-2015 01:52 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:39 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  This is a pipe dream of the highest order, but if the TV deal were to increase so that it matches/barely exceeds the Big East deal (unlikely but certainly possible)...

...would anyone consider the thought of trying to add either Marquette or Georgetown?

They would do the following:

- Add a fourth school in the top 60 of the USNWR (Georgetown is top 25, Marquette is a more-than-respectable 58ish)
- Add a new metropolitan market
- Add a tournament bid to the conference
- Give a few teams a more natural rival (I'm sure Cincy and Memphis would enjoy games against Marquette)
- Balance the Navy addition

IF the TV deal increases in time (which is a hope and not a sure thing), then the AAC could offer those programs better rates of exposure on better networks (ratings-wise).

Not bad but I don't think they would leave the Big East for this conference

From what I have read, both sides seem to be happily aligned with other similarly focused universities (along the football/olympics divide). I don't see any overtures being made to any basketball school, including the VCUs, Wichitas, St Louises, etc.
I think we're seeing why with UAB. Football is extremely important for brand. That's why the Big East deal, imo, is more of a starting off point. They are delivering a small fraction of the ratings to FS1. If you don't think that will be pounded on relentlessly in negotiations, you don't understand high-level deals of this nature. They also don't deliver the huge alumni bases or the markets. Achievements will be stressed, so that's something the AAC will have to continue in the positive direction. I'd say you've done that very well to this point.

(05-19-2015 01:29 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:25 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  I wonder if Aresco could promise a Short-term GOR (maybe 8-9 years with all members agreeing), then ESPN or a competing network says '3 million' first 4 years per school, then 5 in the last '4-5'?

Sorry but, no one's signing a GOR for anything below the 20mil per team per year mark. Least of all the teams that would need to sign it.

It would be interesting if Aresco could get bids for our next TV deal in a few years both ways... with GOR and without. Surely they would pay a bit more for the stability, better to protect the investment in the product. To be clear, I'm not advocating this... obviously no one would sign it, everyone thinks their invitation is coming tomorrow... but would sure be interesting. I bet we'd get another million per team with a GOR.

(05-19-2015 01:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 12:30 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 11:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 10:42 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 10:33 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  LoL @$5-7 mil

based on what!? adding Navy!?


Look at our bowl alliances....from there you can kind of see our perceived value.

$2-$3 mil tops

I mean we understand you aren't a fan of the league but to think adding Navy will result in the league getting the same amount of money we get today is just foolish. Had you said 3-4 million I could have at least respected your opinion but clearly you only offer constant criticism. I am sure when it tops your 2-3 million estimate you will be the first to admit you were wrong.

We already get 2 million---so that's not even a raise. Lets look at this logically. We are currently selling EVERYTHING for 22 million (assuming we believe the CBS basketball contract is 2 million a year).

Lets look at other non-power leagues. Meanwhile, The MW sells its first and second tier rights, along with a CCG for 20 million---but retains its 3rd tier rights. CUSA gets 14 million currently, and retains its 3rd tier rights. A-10 basketball gets 5 million a year. Big East basketball gets 40 million per year. Finally, the MAC just renegotiated a 1 million per year deal into a 10 million per year deal with its 10 year extension (a ten fold increase).

Lets add to that information other relevant things we know. The MW CCG is rumored to be worth 2 million a year. UConn Women's basketball is worth 3 million a year to the YES network alone (and that's an old contract, the value is likely higher now). The Navy-Army game alone is currently worth 5 million a year under its old contract. The new Army-Navy contract is expected to at least double in value. ESPN is selling games to CBS-Sports Network. CBS-Sports Network currently pays 7 million a year to show CUSA games and 12 million a year to show MW games (under an old renegotiated contract). It should be noted that CBS-Sports pays the same for the second tier CUSA rights as Fox pays for the first tier rights. Finally, the AAC has a more populated footprint than the MW or CUSA. The CUSA contracts were made when many of the current AAC brands were in CUSA.

So, based upon the above---here is where I think our value reasonably lies---

Base Tier One Football Rights including Navy--ESPN--20 million
Second Tier Football Rights including Navy--CBS-Sports-20 million

Foofball CCG-2-3 miilion

Basketball---Here's the make or break thing for us. The Big East contract indicated our value is close to 40 million, the A-10 contract points to a much lower 5 million figure. My guess is the BE is overpaid and the AAC is more valuable than the A-10 (bigger footprint and more visable names). That said, this is the MAIN reason I think we are foolish not to add a cople of very high profile non-football schools to tip the balance for network executives (Wichita and VCU maybe?). I'll split the difference and say our value is 15-20 million for basketball.

Third Tier/Digital Rights---we get nothing for them now. UConn womens basketball is worth 3-4 million by itself. If we want to build up the value of our conference digital network we will need these rights. My feeling is we should retain those rights or get SOMETHING for them. I think we need at least 5-10 million, or we just retain them and find a way to monetize them ourselves.

So, taking the high end number everywhere---I get 73 million a year with Navy as a football only. Navy would get 5.25 million a year. The all-sports schools would get about 7 million a year. That would be a 3 to 4 fold increase over our current earnings. That's less than the MAC 10 fold increase, but given our much higher staring place, we shouldn't expect the same percentage increase. Here's the problem with my estimate---we cant get there for 5 more years. We would need to be on the open market to strike a separate deal with CBS-Sports Network. If we want to cash in earlier, we will need to extend the current ESPN contract. Would ESPN be willing to pay that 7-8 million dollar per team range? Perhaps. Perhaps not. My guess is they would want a discount to renegotiate a super low contract early. But I have to admit, the MAC deal surprised me. With the SEC Network potentially taking some current ESPN inventory, the possible ACC Network doing the same, and the Big-10 contract possibly ending up providing ESPN with less (and a competitor or the Big-10 Network more inventory), ESPN might finally be willing to build the AAC if they can lock in our relatively cheap inventory for a long period of time.

Posters keep saying we currrently get $2million....but IIRC isn't it actually closer to $1.5 million per school. Not a significant amount, but if the contract is doubled that means each school gets $3 million instead of $4 million...or if it is tripled .....$4.5 million as opposed to $6 million..

20 million ESPN
2 million CBS
22 million a year

22 million divided by 11 (Navy is under a separate indy contract until 2018), is 2 million each. That's where the 2 million a year number you keep hearing is coming from.

Thanks for the good info and I am sure you are correct. But, I keep thinking there was a report on actual money distributed after the conference took its share along with other expenses or whatever and the result was around $1.5 to $1.7 million. Maybe you can clear this up also.

(05-19-2015 02:47 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 12:30 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 11:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 10:42 AM)PT_american Wrote:  I mean we understand you aren't a fan of the league but to think adding Navy will result in the league getting the same amount of money we get today is just foolish. Had you said 3-4 million I could have at least respected your opinion but clearly you only offer constant criticism. I am sure when it tops your 2-3 million estimate you will be the first to admit you were wrong.

We already get 2 million---so that's not even a raise. Lets look at this logically. We are currently selling EVERYTHING for 22 million (assuming we believe the CBS basketball contract is 2 million a year).

Lets look at other non-power leagues. Meanwhile, The MW sells its first and second tier rights, along with a CCG for 20 million---but retains its 3rd tier rights. CUSA gets 14 million currently, and retains its 3rd tier rights. A-10 basketball gets 5 million a year. Big East basketball gets 40 million per year. Finally, the MAC just renegotiated a 1 million per year deal into a 10 million per year deal with its 10 year extension (a ten fold increase).

Lets add to that information other relevant things we know. The MW CCG is rumored to be worth 2 million a year. UConn Women's basketball is worth 3 million a year to the YES network alone (and that's an old contract, the value is likely higher now). The Navy-Army game alone is currently worth 5 million a year under its old contract. The new Army-Navy contract is expected to at least double in value. ESPN is selling games to CBS-Sports Network. CBS-Sports Network currently pays 7 million a year to show CUSA games and 12 million a year to show MW games (under an old renegotiated contract). It should be noted that CBS-Sports pays the same for the second tier CUSA rights as Fox pays for the first tier rights. Finally, the AAC has a more populated footprint than the MW or CUSA. The CUSA contracts were made when many of the current AAC brands were in CUSA.

So, based upon the above---here is where I think our value reasonably lies---

Base Tier One Football Rights including Navy--ESPN--20 million
Second Tier Football Rights including Navy--CBS-Sports-20 million

Foofball CCG-2-3 miilion

Basketball---Here's the make or break thing for us. The Big East contract indicated our value is close to 40 million, the A-10 contract points to a much lower 5 million figure. My guess is the BE is overpaid and the AAC is more valuable than the A-10 (bigger footprint and more visable names). That said, this is the MAIN reason I think we are foolish not to add a cople of very high profile non-football schools to tip the balance for network executives (Wichita and VCU maybe?). I'll split the difference and say our value is 15-20 million for basketball.

Third Tier/Digital Rights---we get nothing for them now. UConn womens basketball is worth 3-4 million by itself. If we want to build up the value of our conference digital network we will need these rights. My feeling is we should retain those rights or get SOMETHING for them. I think we need at least 5-10 million, or we just retain them and find a way to monetize them ourselves.

So, taking the high end number everywhere---I get 73 million a year with Navy as a football only. Navy would get 5.25 million a year. The all-sports schools would get about 7 million a year. That would be a 3 to 4 fold increase over our current earnings. That's less than the MAC 10 fold increase, but given our much higher staring place, we shouldn't expect the same percentage increase. Here's the problem with my estimate---we cant get there for 5 more years. We would need to be on the open market to strike a separate deal with CBS-Sports Network. If we want to cash in earlier, we will need to extend the current ESPN contract. Would ESPN be willing to pay that 7-8 million dollar per team range? Perhaps. Perhaps not. My guess is they would want a discount to renegotiate a super low contract early. But I have to admit, the MAC deal surprised me. With the SEC Network potentially taking some current ESPN inventory, the possible ACC Network doing the same, and the Big-10 contract possibly ending up providing ESPN with less (and a competitor or the Big-10 Network more inventory), ESPN might finally be willing to build the AAC if they can lock in our relatively cheap inventory for a long period of time.

Posters keep saying we currrently get $2million....but IIRC isn't it actually closer to $1.5 million per school. Not a significant amount, but if the contract is doubled that means each school gets $3 million instead of $4 million...or if it is tripled .....$4.5 million as opposed to $6 million..

20 million ESPN
2 million CBS
22 million a year

22 million divided by 11 (Navy is under a separate indy contract until 2018), is 2 million each. That's where the 2 million a year number you keep hearing is coming from.

Thanks for the good info and I am sure you are correct. But, I keep thinking there was a report on actual money distributed after the conference took its share along with other expenses or whatever and the result was around $1.5 to $1.7 million. Maybe you can clear this up also.

That may be correct. That said, when we talk media contracts we talk raw numbers because each conference funds their conference offices differently. For instance, the ACC gives the conference a full share of the media deal to provide it funding.

However, I will tell you that total conference distribution (money from media, NCAA tournament credits, bowl payout sharing, entry/exit fee income, etc) is waaaaay above 1.5 million. Plus its also different for individual schools in the AAC due to the agreement on how income from entry/exit fees and left behind NCAA credits from defecting schools like Syracuse, Pittm Louisville, and W Virginia will be dispersed (lol, seniority counts). My understanding is UConn, USF, and Cinci get about 9 million each a year from the AAC. Houston, SMU, Temple, UCF, and Memphis each get around 6 million a year in total distributions. ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa get a little less than 6 million (I want to say they get between 4 and 5 million each---but Im really not sure on that one).

I tend to guess that the next TV deal will start out at around $4 million per school and will reach around $8 million at the back end. The next TV deal is going to have to make up the difference lost in the exit fees and tournament credits, the deal is going to increase due to the market value and stability of the league, backloading will allow for increases each year the league doesn't lose a key member. This will also allow the league to implement an exit that protects members left behind if other conference expand.

no on a GOR

(05-19-2015 03:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 02:47 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 12:30 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 11:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  We already get 2 million---so that's not even a raise. Lets look at this logically. We are currently selling EVERYTHING for 22 million (assuming we believe the CBS basketball contract is 2 million a year).

Lets look at other non-power leagues. Meanwhile, The MW sells its first and second tier rights, along with a CCG for 20 million---but retains its 3rd tier rights. CUSA gets 14 million currently, and retains its 3rd tier rights. A-10 basketball gets 5 million a year. Big East basketball gets 40 million per year. Finally, the MAC just renegotiated a 1 million per year deal into a 10 million per year deal with its 10 year extension (a ten fold increase).

Lets add to that information other relevant things we know. The MW CCG is rumored to be worth 2 million a year. UConn Women's basketball is worth 3 million a year to the YES network alone (and that's an old contract, the value is likely higher now). The Navy-Army game alone is currently worth 5 million a year under its old contract. The new Army-Navy contract is expected to at least double in value. ESPN is selling games to CBS-Sports Network. CBS-Sports Network currently pays 7 million a year to show CUSA games and 12 million a year to show MW games (under an old renegotiated contract). It should be noted that CBS-Sports pays the same for the second tier CUSA rights as Fox pays for the first tier rights. Finally, the AAC has a more populated footprint than the MW or CUSA. The CUSA contracts were made when many of the current AAC brands were in CUSA.

So, based upon the above---here is where I think our value reasonably lies---

Base Tier One Football Rights including Navy--ESPN--20 million
Second Tier Football Rights including Navy--CBS-Sports-20 million

Foofball CCG-2-3 miilion

Basketball---Here's the make or break thing for us. The Big East contract indicated our value is close to 40 million, the A-10 contract points to a much lower 5 million figure. My guess is the BE is overpaid and the AAC is more valuable than the A-10 (bigger footprint and more visable names). That said, this is the MAIN reason I think we are foolish not to add a cople of very high profile non-football schools to tip the balance for network executives (Wichita and VCU maybe?). I'll split the difference and say our value is 15-20 million for basketball.

Third Tier/Digital Rights---we get nothing for them now. UConn womens basketball is worth 3-4 million by itself. If we want to build up the value of our conference digital network we will need these rights. My feeling is we should retain those rights or get SOMETHING for them. I think we need at least 5-10 million, or we just retain them and find a way to monetize them ourselves.

So, taking the high end number everywhere---I get 73 million a year with Navy as a football only. Navy would get 5.25 million a year. The all-sports schools would get about 7 million a year. That would be a 3 to 4 fold increase over our current earnings. That's less than the MAC 10 fold increase, but given our much higher staring place, we shouldn't expect the same percentage increase. Here's the problem with my estimate---we cant get there for 5 more years. We would need to be on the open market to strike a separate deal with CBS-Sports Network. If we want to cash in earlier, we will need to extend the current ESPN contract. Would ESPN be willing to pay that 7-8 million dollar per team range? Perhaps. Perhaps not. My guess is they would want a discount to renegotiate a super low contract early. But I have to admit, the MAC deal surprised me. With the SEC Network potentially taking some current ESPN inventory, the possible ACC Network doing the same, and the Big-10 contract possibly ending up providing ESPN with less (and a competitor or the Big-10 Network more inventory), ESPN might finally be willing to build the AAC if they can lock in our relatively cheap inventory for a long period of time.

Posters keep saying we currrently get $2million....but IIRC isn't it actually closer to $1.5 million per school. Not a significant amount, but if the contract is doubled that means each school gets $3 million instead of $4 million...or if it is tripled .....$4.5 million as opposed to $6 million..

20 million ESPN
2 million CBS
22 million a year

22 million divided by 11 (Navy is under a separate indy contract until 2018), is 2 million each. That's where the 2 million a year number you keep hearing is coming from.

Thanks for the good info and I am sure you are correct. But, I keep thinking there was a report on actual money distributed after the conference took its share along with other expenses or whatever and the result was around $1.5 to $1.7 million. Maybe you can clear this up also.

That may be correct. That said, when we talk media contracts we talk raw numbers because each conference funds their conference offices differently. For instance, the ACC gives the conference a full share of the media deal to provide it funding.

However, I will tell you that total conference distribution (money from media, NCAA tournament credits, bowl payout sharing, entry/exit fee income, etc) is waaaaay above 1.5 million. Plus its also different for individual schools in the AAC due to the agreement on how income from entry/exit fees and left behind NCAA credits from defecting schools like Syracuse, Pittm Louisville, and W Virginia will be dispersed (lol, seniority counts). My understanding is UConn, USF, and Cinci get about 9 million each a year from the AAC. Houston, SMU, Temple, UCF, and Memphis each get around 6 million a year in total distributions. ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa get a little less than 6 million (I want to say they get between 4 and 5 million each---but Im really not sure on that one).

Yep, most folks forget about the separate CBS bball deal that pushes it to $2M.

Quote:From 2014-15 through the 2019-2020 school year, the former Big East is expected to receive $20 million annually for both football and basketball. Sources are also reporting the former Big East is nearing a new deal with CBS for select basketball games that will pay approximately $2 million per year.

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/dollars...sion-deals

FYI, Memphis reported an increase in conference distributions of @$2.7M moving from CUSA to AAC. Not sure if that included all/any exit fees as Louisville and Rutgers were still in the league at that time.

Provided unpredictable changes in the marketplace do not occur, such as sports channels losing money because of things like Verizon Fios's bundling, the AAC is set to get close to about $10M/year.

The contract was as low as it was because it was at the weakest possible negotiating standpoint. ESPN and others didn't have any confidence as to which schools would actually be in the league. It was an absolute disaster.

If the league manages to stay intact between now and the time for setting up a new deal, Aresco can simply point to the market. The Big East is getting about $4M/year/school for basketball only on a channel that's hard to find. The AAC, with powerful hoops brands like UConn, Cincy, Memphis, and Temple, along with soon to be consistent winners SMU and Tulsa, should command close to that much for hoops alone. Let's aim low and say the hoops is deemed worth $3M/year/school. But the football, even if it is G5 football, has to be worth almost double that amount. So that brings the value to around $9M/year/school.

Also, consider that the AAC will be one of the only pieces of new inventory available on the market when its next negotiation happens. The Big Ten will be wrapped up by then. All the other major conferences will have deals extending out through the mid to late 2020's. Same for the NBA, NFL, and MLB. All this works in the AAC's favor.

Oh, and another thing that will work in the AAC's favor is if C USA gets a better than expected deal. After all, if this version of C USA can get close to the AAC'S contract value, how much more will the AAC's be worth?

I'm bullish on the next contract. No, it won't come anywhere close to the Big five money leagues, but it will far, far exceed what the current deal is worth.

(Worth noting: the current contract went into effect starting with the 2013-14 basketball season; football that year was still under the old Big East's old deal. So Louisville and Rutgers football never had any effect on the current contract's value in football. They only impacted one season of basketball. The deal was not signed until After all the departures/reneging had been announced, but not before it was clear there wouldn't be any further movement.)

(05-19-2015 01:58 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:52 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:39 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  This is a pipe dream of the highest order, but if the TV deal were to increase so that it matches/barely exceeds the Big East deal (unlikely but certainly possible)...

...would anyone consider the thought of trying to add either Marquette or Georgetown?

They would do the following:

- Add a fourth school in the top 60 of the USNWR (Georgetown is top 25, Marquette is a more-than-respectable 58ish)
- Add a new metropolitan market
- Add a tournament bid to the conference
- Give a few teams a more natural rival (I'm sure Cincy and Memphis would enjoy games against Marquette)
- Balance the Navy addition

IF the TV deal increases in time (which is a hope and not a sure thing), then the AAC could offer those programs better rates of exposure on better networks (ratings-wise).

Not bad but I don't think they would leave the Big East for this conference

From what I have read, both sides seem to be happily aligned with other similarly focused universities (along the football/olympics divide). I don't see any overtures being made to any basketball school, including the VCUs, Wichitas, St Louises, etc.
I think we're seeing why with UAB. Football is extremely important for brand. That's why the Big East deal, imo, is more of a starting off point. They are delivering a small fraction of the ratings to FS1. If you don't think that will be pounded on relentlessly in negotiations, you don't understand high-level deals of this nature. They also don't deliver the huge alumni bases or the markets. Achievements will be stressed, so that's something the AAC will have to continue in the positive direction. I'd say you've done that very well to this point.

BE Homer you're back. And with the phony UAB connection to boot. Knew you wouldn't be able to stay away for long. Let's hope you do a little better job this time around, of keeping things somewhat real.

(05-19-2015 09:08 PM)rallen Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:58 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:52 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:39 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  This is a pipe dream of the highest order, but if the TV deal were to increase so that it matches/barely exceeds the Big East deal (unlikely but certainly possible)...

...would anyone consider the thought of trying to add either Marquette or Georgetown?

They would do the following:

- Add a fourth school in the top 60 of the USNWR (Georgetown is top 25, Marquette is a more-than-respectable 58ish)
- Add a new metropolitan market
- Add a tournament bid to the conference
- Give a few teams a more natural rival (I'm sure Cincy and Memphis would enjoy games against Marquette)
- Balance the Navy addition

IF the TV deal increases in time (which is a hope and not a sure thing), then the AAC could offer those programs better rates of exposure on better networks (ratings-wise).

Not bad but I don't think they would leave the Big East for this conference

From what I have read, both sides seem to be happily aligned with other similarly focused universities (along the football/olympics divide). I don't see any overtures being made to any basketball school, including the VCUs, Wichitas, St Louises, etc.
I think we're seeing why with UAB. Football is extremely important for brand. That's why the Big East deal, imo, is more of a starting off point. They are delivering a small fraction of the ratings to FS1. If you don't think that will be pounded on relentlessly in negotiations, you don't understand high-level deals of this nature. They also don't deliver the huge alumni bases or the markets. Achievements will be stressed, so that's something the AAC will have to continue in the positive direction. I'd say you've done that very well to this point.

BE Homer you're back. And with the phony UAB connection to boot. Knew you wouldn't be able to stay away for long. Let's hope you do a little better job this time around, of keeping things somewhat real.

LOL that explains it....this db has had it in for UC/me since he showed his face here....pathetic.

You are BE Homer ala Fight Club

(05-19-2015 09:54 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:08 PM)rallen Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:58 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:52 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:39 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  This is a pipe dream of the highest order, but if the TV deal were to increase so that it matches/barely exceeds the Big East deal (unlikely but certainly possible)...

...would anyone consider the thought of trying to add either Marquette or Georgetown?

They would do the following:

- Add a fourth school in the top 60 of the USNWR (Georgetown is top 25, Marquette is a more-than-respectable 58ish)
- Add a new metropolitan market
- Add a tournament bid to the conference
- Give a few teams a more natural rival (I'm sure Cincy and Memphis would enjoy games against Marquette)
- Balance the Navy addition

IF the TV deal increases in time (which is a hope and not a sure thing), then the AAC could offer those programs better rates of exposure on better networks (ratings-wise).

Not bad but I don't think they would leave the Big East for this conference

From what I have read, both sides seem to be happily aligned with other similarly focused universities (along the football/olympics divide). I don't see any overtures being made to any basketball school, including the VCUs, Wichitas, St Louises, etc.
I think we're seeing why with UAB. Football is extremely important for brand. That's why the Big East deal, imo, is more of a starting off point. They are delivering a small fraction of the ratings to FS1. If you don't think that will be pounded on relentlessly in negotiations, you don't understand high-level deals of this nature. They also don't deliver the huge alumni bases or the markets. Achievements will be stressed, so that's something the AAC will have to continue in the positive direction. I'd say you've done that very well to this point.

BE Homer you're back. And with the phony UAB connection to boot. Knew you wouldn't be able to stay away for long. Let's hope you do a little better job this time around, of keeping things somewhat real.

LOL that explains it....this db has had it in for UC/me since he showed his face here....pathetic.

It is pathetic, but it's still pretty funny. Now that he's been busted, I wonder what the next step is.

(05-19-2015 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Did part of that money break down to also include a loss of TV revenue to CUSA. Second, anyone know how much Louisville's and Rutger's presence added to the AAC contract? Clearly, those two have TV value as witnessed by their invites to P5s.

Current AAC contract was signed after Rutgers and UofL Left. Remember they left before the C7 did (that actually caused the C7 to leave)

(05-19-2015 12:50 PM)Clarence Iba Wrote:  The Big East is learning the hard way that going with Fox is a bad idea. No exposure, pitiful ratings, all in a chase for cash.

We made the wise decision going with ESPN at almost any price.

The AAC made the same decision as the BE. Remember the AAC signed with NBC

(05-19-2015 10:27 PM)rallen Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:54 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:08 PM)rallen Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:58 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:52 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  Not bad but I don't think they would leave the Big East for this conference

From what I have read, both sides seem to be happily aligned with other similarly focused universities (along the football/olympics divide). I don't see any overtures being made to any basketball school, including the VCUs, Wichitas, St Louises, etc.
I think we're seeing why with UAB. Football is extremely important for brand. That's why the Big East deal, imo, is more of a starting off point. They are delivering a small fraction of the ratings to FS1. If you don't think that will be pounded on relentlessly in negotiations, you don't understand high-level deals of this nature. They also don't deliver the huge alumni bases or the markets. Achievements will be stressed, so that's something the AAC will have to continue in the positive direction. I'd say you've done that very well to this point.

BE Homer you're back. And with the phony UAB connection to boot. Knew you wouldn't be able to stay away for long. Let's hope you do a little better job this time around, of keeping things somewhat real.

LOL that explains it....this db has had it in for UC/me since he showed his face here....pathetic.

It is pathetic, but it's still pretty funny. Now that he's been busted, I wonder what the next step is.

lmao. You sound like a couple of popular little guys.

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I'll let you stew on that one. I wear a size 13 shoe.

(05-19-2015 10:27 PM)rallen Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:54 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:08 PM)rallen Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:58 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:52 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  Not bad but I don't think they would leave the Big East for this conference

From what I have read, both sides seem to be happily aligned with other similarly focused universities (along the football/olympics divide). I don't see any overtures being made to any basketball school, including the VCUs, Wichitas, St Louises, etc.
I think we're seeing why with UAB. Football is extremely important for brand. That's why the Big East deal, imo, is more of a starting off point. They are delivering a small fraction of the ratings to FS1. If you don't think that will be pounded on relentlessly in negotiations, you don't understand high-level deals of this nature. They also don't deliver the huge alumni bases or the markets. Achievements will be stressed, so that's something the AAC will have to continue in the positive direction. I'd say you've done that very well to this point.

BE Homer you're back. And with the phony UAB connection to boot. Knew you wouldn't be able to stay away for long. Let's hope you do a little better job this time around, of keeping things somewhat real.

LOL that explains it....this db has had it in for UC/me since he showed his face here....pathetic.

It is pathetic, but it's still pretty funny. Now that he's been busted, I wonder what the next step is.

Holy crap, it is, what a freaking clown.

(05-20-2015 07:43 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 10:27 PM)rallen Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:54 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:08 PM)rallen Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:58 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  From what I have read, both sides seem to be happily aligned with other similarly focused universities (along the football/olympics divide). I don't see any overtures being made to any basketball school, including the VCUs, Wichitas, St Louises, etc.
I think we're seeing why with UAB. Football is extremely important for brand. That's why the Big East deal, imo, is more of a starting off point. They are delivering a small fraction of the ratings to FS1. If you don't think that will be pounded on relentlessly in negotiations, you don't understand high-level deals of this nature. They also don't deliver the huge alumni bases or the markets. Achievements will be stressed, so that's something the AAC will have to continue in the positive direction. I'd say you've done that very well to this point.

BE Homer you're back. And with the phony UAB connection to boot. Knew you wouldn't be able to stay away for long. Let's hope you do a little better job this time around, of keeping things somewhat real.

LOL that explains it....this db has had it in for UC/me since he showed his face here....pathetic.

It is pathetic, but it's still pretty funny. Now that he's been busted, I wonder what the next step is.

Holy crap, it is, what a freaking clown.

lol. Where Neal goes, Bob will come. If you'd like to know me, pm me.

Id say if we stay with the teams we have $4-5 million. If we can add a couple pieces (say two out of Army, Air Force, BYU, Boise St) then we may be looking at $6 possibly $7.

This next contract wont be huge. I think there may be a bit more bidding but you have to remember that AAC, MWC and BYU contracts are all coming up. Theres plenty of content. This is why I want Aresco to raid the MWC a bit. We need to make our product better and theirs worse. If we can keep them at say $3 million and get us to $6-7 then we begin to seperate.

I do think its important for us to try to gain control of anything that ESPN chooses to not put on TV. Theres alot of room for the AAC to make deals with regional partners. We have a local network that shows quite a bit of FSU and Miami content but they will lose that when the ACC makes their network. USF and UCF could fill that need and pickup some cash if we have any content to sell.

Id be happy with $6 - $7 million and control of any content that ESPN doesnt put on tv. Then Aresco needs to work hard on getting the AAC a better situation with the Playoff. I dont think well get anything special as far as access, but I would like to see a better cut of the money. If we can show were the solid #6, then we could see a significant bump.... and maybe a decent landing spot for our champ game.

The AAC's best option is for ESPN or Fox to get all of the B1G contract. Then the one that is left out will be motivated to acquire content in those states. ESPN may want to add a couple northern states to the conference to extend our coverage in the region and provide them content for advertisers. Fox may want an eastern conference to call their own. Either of those would benefit us. It all hinges on the B1G and what they do with their contract.

At least that's the way I see it.

(05-20-2015 08:05 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 07:43 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 10:27 PM)rallen Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:54 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:08 PM)rallen Wrote:  BE Homer you're back. And with the phony UAB connection to boot. Knew you wouldn't be able to stay away for long. Let's hope you do a little better job this time around, of keeping things somewhat real.

LOL that explains it....this db has had it in for UC/me since he showed his face here....pathetic.

It is pathetic, but it's still pretty funny. Now that he's been busted, I wonder what the next step is.

Holy crap, it is, what a freaking clown.

lol. Where Neal goes, Bob will come. If you'd like to know me, pm me.

BE Homer is back... and more insane than ever!