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CBS: Big 12 will probably move toward championship
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“What we heard is if we don't go to a championship game we're at a disadvantage,” Bowlsby said. “All things being equal, 13 games are better than 12 games. That's what we heard. So that gives us clear enough direction that we're coming in at least at a modest disadvantage. We need to do whatever we can to mitigate that.”

This was a significant statement by Bowlsby. He had previously said that even if the Big 12 got the option from the NCAA to add a conference championship game, it wouldn't necessarily move toward a title game. But Bowlsby signaled Wednesday that he heard enough to suggest a title game is coming for the only major conference without one. The topic will surely be discussed at next week's Big 12 spring meetings in Phoenix.

The Big 12 played a conference championship game from 1996 to 2010 and was hurt in the BCS era more than any conference by having a national contender lose that game. The conference championship game ended when the Big 12 contracted to 10 teams.

Current NCAA rules require a conference to have 12 teams in two-team divisions to stage a championship game, but the Big 12 and ACC want to change the rules. The other option for the Big 12 would be to expand to 12 teams to stage a conference championship game.


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RE: CBS: Big 12 will probably move toward championship
Yes, the ACC wants to change the rules but so do The Big Ten, PAC and SEC. What none of those four want is to change the 12 team requirement.
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Makes sense that the other leagues want to change the rule while still keeping the 12 team rule.
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(04-29-2015 09:16 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Makes sense that the other leagues want to change the rule while still keeping the 12 team rule.

that is why the only one claiming that is the absolute case happens to be a dolt as well
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RE: CBS: Big 12 will probably move toward championship
Kendrick Melville ‏@KendrickMelvill 1h1 hour ago
@McMurphyESPN I sincerely hope the NCAA denies their 10-team Conf. Championship Game request.


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(04-29-2015 09:24 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Kendrick Melville ‏@KendrickMelvill 1h1 hour ago
@McMurphyESPN I sincerely hope the NCAA denies their 10-team Conf. Championship Game request.


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No he won't. Who is Kendrick Melvill anyways?
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ND, BYU, and the Big 12 should try and get an exhibition setup for title week. B12 champ takes on best ranked indy. Helps all sides in years they have playoff hopes. With autonomy they might be able to push it through.
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RE: CBS: Big 12 will probably move toward championship
(04-29-2015 09:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:24 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Kendrick Melville ‏@KendrickMelvill 1h1 hour ago
@McMurphyESPN I sincerely hope the NCAA denies their 10-team Conf. Championship Game request.


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@KendrickMelvill you’ll be disappointed

No he won't. Who is Kendrick Melvill anyways?

Some guy who tweeted at McMurphy who is typically well informed.
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(04-29-2015 09:27 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:24 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Kendrick Melville ‏@KendrickMelvill 1h1 hour ago
@McMurphyESPN I sincerely hope the NCAA denies their 10-team Conf. Championship Game request.


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@KendrickMelvill you’ll be disappointed

No he won't. Who is Kendrick Melvill anyways?

Some guy who tweeted at McMurphy who is typically well informed.

There is being well informed about day to day **** and then there is truly being well informed.

If big 12 people listen to the guy then I would tell him that the big 12 will get the rule change so that everyone is primed for maximum disappointment. When that happens they wont fight so hard against the dissolution.
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RE: CBS: Big 12 will probably move toward championship
(04-29-2015 09:30 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:27 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:24 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Kendrick Melville ‏@KendrickMelvill 1h1 hour ago
@McMurphyESPN I sincerely hope the NCAA denies their 10-team Conf. Championship Game request.


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No he won't. Who is Kendrick Melvill anyways?

Some guy who tweeted at McMurphy who is typically well informed.

There is being well informed about day to day **** and then there is truly being well informed.

If big 12 people listen to the guy then I would tell him that the big 12 will get the rule change so that everyone is primed for maximum disappointment. When that happens they wont fight so hard against the dissolution.

You seem more interested in Big12 demise than the ACC'ers on this board- which is saying something.

Time will tell what happens but I doubt you are anywhere close to being right in the near term future.
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RE: CBS: Big 12 will probably move toward championship
(04-29-2015 09:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Yes, the ACC wants to change the rules but so do The Big Ten, PAC and SEC. What none of those four want is to change the 12 team requirement.

Do we know this for sure? Are you intuiting it (which is no insult since you have shown good instincts before)?

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RE: CBS: Big 12 will probably move toward championship
12 is an arbitrary number so why not amend the rule to say: To stage a championship game a conference must have a minimum of 10 teams (with or without divisions) and must not play a round robin schedule. Once you do that the Big 12 can drop to an 8 game conference schedule and stage a title game.
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RE: CBS: Big 12 will probably move toward championship
(04-29-2015 09:33 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Yes, the ACC wants to change the rules but so do The Big Ten, PAC and SEC. What none of those four want is to change the 12 team requirement.

Do we know this for sure? Are you intuiting it (which is no insult since you have shown good instincts before)?

Cheers,
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Um, how about I say it is a "mixture of both"? I would rather not explain further. I will say that the ACC is acting as the mouthpiece and I will point out that they lack something that the other three major conferences have. You are very intelligent so I know you will connect the dots that others do not see Neil.
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Yayyyy room in the AAC for NIU
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RE: CBS: Big 12 will probably move toward championship
(04-29-2015 09:35 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  12 is an arbitrary number so why not amend the rule to say: To stage a championship game a conference must have a minimum of 10 teams (with or without divisions) and must not play a round robin schedule. Once you do that the Big 12 can drop to an 8 game conference schedule and stage a title game.

Yes, they could but why would any of the Majors vote for that? What would compel them to help out the big 12 like that while not gaining anything themselves out of such an action. What could the big 12 give them?
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(04-29-2015 09:37 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Yayyyy room in the AAC for NIU

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RE: CBS: Big 12 will probably move toward championship
(04-29-2015 09:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:35 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  12 is an arbitrary number so why not amend the rule to say: To stage a championship game a conference must have a minimum of 10 teams (with or without divisions) and must not play a round robin schedule. Once you do that the Big 12 can drop to an 8 game conference schedule and stage a title game.

Yes, they could but why would any of the Majors vote for that? What would compel them to help out the big 12 like that while not gaining anything themselves out of such an action. What could the big 12 give them?

Since they are all in autonomy decisions together it's easy to envision a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" situation regarding a different big issue that could impact recruiting, playoff selection, etc where the Big 12 schools could be key swing votes.
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(04-29-2015 09:47 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:35 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  12 is an arbitrary number so why not amend the rule to say: To stage a championship game a conference must have a minimum of 10 teams (with or without divisions) and must not play a round robin schedule. Once you do that the Big 12 can drop to an 8 game conference schedule and stage a title game.

Yes, they could but why would any of the Majors vote for that? What would compel them to help out the big 12 like that while not gaining anything themselves out of such an action. What could the big 12 give them?

Since they are all in autonomy decisions together it's easy to envision a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" situation regarding a different big issue that could impact recruiting, playoff selection, etc where the Big 12 schools could be key swing votes.

That's a very generalized response. It is not surprising that you had to answer in such a way because it would be extremely hard to come up with exact actions and details.

I still await someone coming up with such.
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There is no real reason for the other four to help out the Big 12. I can't see why anyway, but maybe they'll do it out of the goodness of there hearts. Heck it may pass, I just don't know why the others will allow it.
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(04-29-2015 09:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:47 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 09:35 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  12 is an arbitrary number so why not amend the rule to say: To stage a championship game a conference must have a minimum of 10 teams (with or without divisions) and must not play a round robin schedule. Once you do that the Big 12 can drop to an 8 game conference schedule and stage a title game.

Yes, they could but why would any of the Majors vote for that? What would compel them to help out the big 12 like that while not gaining anything themselves out of such an action. What could the big 12 give them?

Since they are all in autonomy decisions together it's easy to envision a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" situation regarding a different big issue that could impact recruiting, playoff selection, etc where the Big 12 schools could be key swing votes.

That's a very generalized response. It is not surprising that you had to answer in such a way because it would be extremely hard to come up with exact actions and details.

I still await someone coming up with such.

Well one possibility is that had the B12 been allowed a CCG last year with a 10 team conference, then Baylor or TCU would have had a second loss on their resume. So, it ensures the likelihood that only one gets in instead of two had let's say Oregon lost to Arizona and FSU lost to GT.

Just food for thought.

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