(03-26-2015 09:43 AM)gusrob Wrote:  Source: Cal's agent

Cal will receive raise based on this crap. Bottom line: Cal can't win on level playing field. He needs the edge KY gives him.

Couldn't disagree more.

Whether or not Cal leaves after this year or not, the proof is in the pudding...KY made a great deal when they scooped him up. Even if he left them on probation, they should still be very happy with this result. But for the one NIT season, he has done exactly what they hired him to do. KY has been THE STORY in college basketball since his arrival. He has won a title, probably will win two and take them to 40-0 (for bracket reasons I pray this does not happen, c'mon Arizona). My point is, the deal worked out exactly, so when he does leave, I think their fan base will be sad, and I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there (talk about a guy who will be a short timer), but I don't think the crazy KY fans will even be mad at this point. He will leave in the next few years, and they will immediately start trying to name some stuff after him. We got the short end of the stick on this deal, but from their view it all went according to plan.

Cal ain't going back to the NBA

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Whether or not Cal leaves after this year or not, the proof is in the pudding...KY made a great deal when they scooped him up. Even if he left them on probation, they should still be very happy with this result. But for the one NIT season, he has done exactly what they hired him to do. KY has been THE STORY in college basketball since his arrival. He has won a title, probably will win two and take them to 40-0 (for bracket reasons I pray this does not happen, c'mon Arizona). My point is, the deal worked out exactly, so when he does leave, I think their fan base will be sad, and I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there (talk about a guy who will be a short timer), but I don't think the crazy KY fans will even be mad at this point. He will leave in the next few years, and they will immediately start trying to name some stuff after him. We got the short end of the stick on this deal, but from their view it all went according to plan.

CJP is the ONLY qulaified candidate.

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Whether or not Cal leaves after this year or not, the proof is in the pudding...KY made a great deal when they scooped him up. Even if he left them on probation, they should still be very happy with this result. But for the one NIT season, he has done exactly what they hired him to do. KY has been THE STORY in college basketball since his arrival. He has won a title, probably will win two and take them to 40-0 (for bracket reasons I pray this does not happen, c'mon Arizona). My point is, the deal worked out exactly, so when he does leave, I think their fan base will be sad, and I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there (talk about a guy who will be a short timer), but I don't think the crazy KY fans will even be mad at this point. He will leave in the next few years, and they will immediately start trying to name some stuff after him. We got the short end of the stick on this deal, but from their view it all went according to plan.

Yeah, you have to think too that this will be the first time (assuming) he's left a program that's not on NCAA probation. Think that causes a bitter taste too to some degree with fans.

(03-26-2015 11:34 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Whether or not Cal leaves after this year or not, the proof is in the pudding...KY made a great deal when they scooped him up. Even if he left them on probation, they should still be very happy with this result. But for the one NIT season, he has done exactly what they hired him to do. KY has been THE STORY in college basketball since his arrival. He has won a title, probably will win two and take them to 40-0 (for bracket reasons I pray this does not happen, c'mon Arizona). My point is, the deal worked out exactly, so when he does leave, I think their fan base will be sad, and I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there (talk about a guy who will be a short timer), but I don't think the crazy KY fans will even be mad at this point. He will leave in the next few years, and they will immediately start trying to name some stuff after him. We got the short end of the stick on this deal, but from their view it all went according to plan.

CJP is the ONLY qulaified candidate.

No faith in bruiser flint?

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there

I don't weep, but I wonder who the hell will want to take that job.

(03-26-2015 11:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there

I don't weep, but I wonder who the hell will want to take that job.

Really? Why? (just curious)

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Whether or not Cal leaves after this year or not, the proof is in the pudding...KY made a great deal when they scooped him up. Even if he left them on probation, they should still be very happy with this result. But for the one NIT season, he has done exactly what they hired him to do. KY has been THE STORY in college basketball since his arrival. He has won a title, probably will win two and take them to 40-0 (for bracket reasons I pray this does not happen, c'mon Arizona). My point is, the deal worked out exactly, so when he does leave, I think their fan base will be sad, and I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there (talk about a guy who will be a short timer), but I don't think the crazy KY fans will even be mad at this point. He will leave in the next few years, and they will immediately start trying to name some stuff after him. We got the short end of the stick on this deal, but from their view it all went according to plan.

Disagree about Memphis getting the short end of the stick. Calipari left the program in the best shape it's ever been in, brand-wise. Whomever followed him should have had a relatively easy time, compared with the run-down program many coaches inherit (like Calipari inherited with Memphis). I don't personally like Calipari and hope KY gets beat in the NCAA's but if a coach leaves a program in the good shape ours was in when he departed, I think you should just count yourself fortunate.

(03-26-2015 11:24 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  Cal ain't going back to the NBA

Agree. Too cushy a situation where he is.

(03-26-2015 12:04 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Whether or not Cal leaves after this year or not, the proof is in the pudding...KY made a great deal when they scooped him up. Even if he left them on probation, they should still be very happy with this result. But for the one NIT season, he has done exactly what they hired him to do. KY has been THE STORY in college basketball since his arrival. He has won a title, probably will win two and take them to 40-0 (for bracket reasons I pray this does not happen, c'mon Arizona). My point is, the deal worked out exactly, so when he does leave, I think their fan base will be sad, and I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there (talk about a guy who will be a short timer), but I don't think the crazy KY fans will even be mad at this point. He will leave in the next few years, and they will immediately start trying to name some stuff after him. We got the short end of the stick on this deal, but from their view it all went according to plan.

Disagree about Memphis getting the short end of the stick. Calipari left the program in the best shape it's ever been in, brand-wise. Whomever followed him should have had a relatively easy time, compared with the run-down program many coaches inherit (like Calipari inherited with Memphis). I don't personally like Calipari and hope KY gets beat in the NCAA's but if a coach leaves a program in the good shape ours was in when he departed, I think you should just count yourself fortunate.

Outside of all those NCAA sanctions and money we had to return, you're right. LOL

In all seriousness, I don't hate Cal...he's jobbing the system and the NCAA is standing around with their thumb up their rear end watching it happy as a pig in slop. I hate the NCAA for allowing it to come to this.

Cal took the Memphis BRAND to new heights and made the program relevant for the first time since the early 90s. Sure, he did us wrong in the way he left and that part is hard to swallow, but he did bring us pretty far like it or not.

I still hate em, but it is what it is.

(03-26-2015 11:57 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there

I don't weep, but I wonder who the hell will want to take that job.

Really? Why? (just curious)

Kentucky fans are insane. I would gather they believe Cal is doing what he did at UK because he is at UK, not because he is Cal.

I'm going to assume UK wins it all this year. Here is what UK fans will have had in the six years before Cal and the six with him:

Before:
2004: 2nd round
2005: E8
2006: 2nd round
2007: 2nd round
2008: 1st round
2009: No NCAA

With Cal:
2010: Elite 8
2011: Final Four
2012: National Champs
2013: No NCAA
2014: NCAA Runner Up
2015: National Champs

IF Cal doesn't win it all this year, there will be a contingent that would be enraged. And if he didn't win it ALL again next year, the same.

Whoever comes in will be expected, at the least, to be making final four runs EVERY year. That just doesn't happen.

(03-26-2015 11:57 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there

I don't weep, but I wonder who the hell will want to take that job.

Really? Why? (just curious)

Because you never ever want to be the guy following the man, you want to be the guy following the guy who followed the man.

(03-26-2015 12:04 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Whether or not Cal leaves after this year or not, the proof is in the pudding...KY made a great deal when they scooped him up. Even if he left them on probation, they should still be very happy with this result. But for the one NIT season, he has done exactly what they hired him to do. KY has been THE STORY in college basketball since his arrival. He has won a title, probably will win two and take them to 40-0 (for bracket reasons I pray this does not happen, c'mon Arizona). My point is, the deal worked out exactly, so when he does leave, I think their fan base will be sad, and I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there (talk about a guy who will be a short timer), but I don't think the crazy KY fans will even be mad at this point. He will leave in the next few years, and they will immediately start trying to name some stuff after him. We got the short end of the stick on this deal, but from their view it all went according to plan.

Disagree about Memphis getting the short end of the stick. Calipari left the program in the best shape it's ever been in, brand-wise. Whomever followed him should have had a relatively easy time, compared with the run-down program many coaches inherit (like Calipari inherited with Memphis). I don't personally like Calipari and hope KY gets beat in the NCAA's but if a coach leaves a program in the good shape ours was in when he departed, I think you should just count yourself fortunate.

Understand your point, what I meant was we were a program on the rise and they were a program that was pretty far removed from their previous glory. Now they are on a high, and we have gotten fairly far removed from our previous glory. The deal worked out for them, for us, not so much.

(03-26-2015 12:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:57 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there

I don't weep, but I wonder who the hell will want to take that job.

Really? Why? (just curious)

Kentucky fans are insane. I would gather they believe Cal is doing what he did at UK because he is at UK, not because he is Cal.

I'm going to assume UK wins it all this year. Here is what UK fans will have had in the six years before Cal and the six with him:

Before:
2004: 2nd round
2005: E8
2006: 2nd round
2007: 2nd round
2008: 1st round
2009: No NCAA

With Cal:
2010: Elite 8
2011: Final Four
2012: National Champs
2013: No NCAA
2014: NCAA Runner Up
2015: National Champs

IF Cal doesn't win it all this year, there will be a contingent that would be enraged. And if he didn't win it ALL again next year, the same.

Whoever comes in will be expected, at the least, to be making final four runs EVERY year. That just doesn't happen.

BINGO

(03-26-2015 09:43 AM)gusrob Wrote:  Source: Cal's agent

Cal will receive raise based on this crap. Bottom line: Cal can't win on level playing field. He needs the edge KY gives him.

He won a few games at U of M. But you're right. He did the same thing at Memphis and could have gotten the Sterrick bldg if he'd wanted it to stay.

Cal just wants to jump to the #1 spot on the "highest paid coaches" list. Doubt he wants further sully his reputation by going back to the nba.

(03-26-2015 12:07 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 12:04 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:17 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Whether or not Cal leaves after this year or not, the proof is in the pudding...KY made a great deal when they scooped him up. Even if he left them on probation, they should still be very happy with this result. But for the one NIT season, he has done exactly what they hired him to do. KY has been THE STORY in college basketball since his arrival. He has won a title, probably will win two and take them to 40-0 (for bracket reasons I pray this does not happen, c'mon Arizona). My point is, the deal worked out exactly, so when he does leave, I think their fan base will be sad, and I weep for the poor bastard who has to follow him there (talk about a guy who will be a short timer), but I don't think the crazy KY fans will even be mad at this point. He will leave in the next few years, and they will immediately start trying to name some stuff after him. We got the short end of the stick on this deal, but from their view it all went according to plan.

Disagree about Memphis getting the short end of the stick. Calipari left the program in the best shape it's ever been in, brand-wise. Whomever followed him should have had a relatively easy time, compared with the run-down program many coaches inherit (like Calipari inherited with Memphis). I don't personally like Calipari and hope KY gets beat in the NCAA's but if a coach leaves a program in the good shape ours was in when he departed, I think you should just count yourself fortunate.

Outside of all those NCAA sanctions and money we had to return, you're right. LOL

In all seriousness, I don't hate Cal...he's jobbing the system and the NCAA is standing around with their thumb up their rear end watching it happy as a pig in slop. I hate the NCAA for allowing it to come to this.

Cal took the Memphis BRAND to new heights and made the program relevant for the first time since the early 90s. Sure, he did us wrong in the way he left and that part is hard to swallow, but he did bring us pretty far like it or not.

I still hate em, but it is what it is.

"Hard to swallow"…There might be someone to dispute that.

(03-26-2015 08:34 AM)holyterror Wrote:  Cal is either working this story for his financial benefit, of for that of his assistant coaches, which is kinda the same thing. He did that when he was Memphis, if mammary serves.

Stephen A Smith & Skip Bayless were just talking on ESPN.
Stephen said according to his sources...if Cal had not gone to the Final Four last year...that he would have been fired.
He has rubbed a lot of folks at UK the wrong way...as well as the NCAA.
They don't like the level of success that he has had using the one and done rule....said that they would rather have someone like Coach K from Duke be their poster boy.

Also said that because of all this...Cal may decide that he doesn't have to put up with all of this...and go to the pro game.

Cal's 10 year run - at Memphis and Kentucky - is insane for modern day basketball.

2005–06 Memphis 33–4 13–1 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2006–07 Memphis 33–4 16–0 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2007–08 Memphis 38–2 16–0 1st NCAA Runner-up
2008–09 Memphis 33–4 16–0 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2009–10 Kentucky 35–3 14–2 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2010–11 Kentucky 29–9 10–6 2nd NCAA Final Four
2011–12 Kentucky 38–2 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2012–13 Kentucky 21–12 12–6 T–2nd NIT First Round
2013–14 Kentucky 29–11 12–6 T–2nd NCAA Runner-up
2014–15 Kentucky 36–0 18–0 1st NCAA