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RE: When does the NCAA start boycotting Indiana?
(03-25-2015 04:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: (03-25-2015 04:04 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: (03-25-2015 03:22 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: ^^^Long-winded, leftist way of saying, "I could care less about people exercising their religious freedoms."
Segregation Issues =/= Religious Issues Regarding Sodomites.
You'd be wise to have a conversation with a Christian Black man from the South before you go spouting your opinions of how "It's no different..." As much as you leftists might not like it, they are not even remotely equal. Let's face it, these guys/girls/its don't ACTUALLY want the cake the Christians are making, they just want to . If I don't agree with somebody's politics my solution is pretty simple. Don't shop there. The issue is akin to any other religious discrimination laws, which ironically passed in the Civil Rights era. How can you force somebody to perform or participate in wedding ceremonies for homosexuals when this is a clear violation of their religious beliefs?
Indiana.
Where the law is in many places (including in a partial sense in Indiana), it IS the same where sexual orientation is a protected class.
Reference my last post... 19 other states have enacted similar legislation.
(03-25-2015 04:04 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: Furthermore, I'm far from a leftist, as noted that I've voted GOP in every presidential election since I turned 18, which was a long time ago. The crazy thing about this whole issue is that it's the business groups that financially support the Republican Party, such as the US Chamber of Commerce (which the Daily Kos, MSNBC and the Huffington Post would hardly call leftist), absolutely HATE these "religious freedom for businesses" proposals. They're Republican supporters, like myself, that wish that the party would completely drop anything related to social issues altogether (both philosophically and politically), especially anything pertaining to gay rights. This legislation that is supposedly in place to protect the freedom of business is being completely rejected by businesses!!! It's a social wedge issue being couched as a faux business issue that businesses, at best, actually don't care about, and at worst, negatively impact the companies in growth industries (like Salesforce mentioned in the article) that lose young and educated talent because they absolutely abhor these homophobic environments.
Clearly it's an important enough issue that states continue to make these laws.
(03-25-2015 04:04 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: People can try to pass off the gay rights movement as supposedly "not as important" as the Civil Rights movement, but for Millennials, this is absolutely their equivalent. There are not two sides of the gay rights issue for them in the same way that there were not two sides of the civil rights issues for Baby Boomers.
If that's really how Millenials feel... wow. To use what African Americans endured during the Civil Rights movement as an equivalent is frankly insulting to most people's intelligence. You're comparing a group people who were enslaved, hanged, beaten, blasted with fire hoses, etc. to a group of people who were not allowed to get married. If that's not the height of self-importance, I'm not sure what is. That just goes to show how disconnected Millennials are from history and reality.
(03-25-2015 04:04 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: It's as black and white of an issue for Millennials as you can get and, from a pure political opportunist standpoint, it continues to boggle my mind why Republicans would commit political suicide with an entire generation when the party isn't going to be able to stem these changes, anyway. You can find plenty of fiscal conservatives among Millennials, but they won't hear the GOP message as long as the social conservatives exist.
Frankly, I couldn't care less what is or is not an issue for Millennials right now. If the Republicans never win another election because of this so be it but I personally think that any impact is blown completely out of proportion. By the time the Millennials get out of their parents' basements and start paying taxes, they'll hopefully have figured out simple economics the hard way.
So only those who's civil rights have been violated as bad as African Americans can say their cause is also a civil rights issue? that's a really, really poor way of looking at things.
Coretta Scott King over the years on gay rights...
On April 1, 1998 at the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago, Mrs. King called on the civil rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias. "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood", she stated.[133] "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."
In a speech in November 2003 at the opening session of the 13th annual Creating Change Conference, organized by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Coretta Scott King made her now famous appeal linking the Civil Rights Movement to LGBT rights: "I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people. ... But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.' I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream, to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people."
Coretta Scott King's support of LGBT rights was strongly criticized by some black pastors. She called her critics "misinformed" and said that Martin Luther King's message to the world was one of equality and inclusion.
In 2003, she invited the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force to take part in observances of the 40th anniversary of the March on Washington and Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech. It was the first time that an LGBT rights group had been invited to a major event of the African-American community.
On March 23, 2004, she told an audience at The Richard Stockton College of New Jersey in Pomona, New Jersey, that same-sex marriage is a civil rights issue. She denounced a proposed amendment advanced by President George W. Bush to the United States Constitution that would ban equal marriage rights for same-sex couples. In her speech King also criticized a group of black pastors in her home state of Georgia for backing a bill to amend that state's constitution to block gay and lesbian couples from marrying. Scott King is quoted as saying "Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union. A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriage."
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