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OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
Woah. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...holarships

The NCAA on Friday suspended Syracuse basketball coach Jim Boeheim for nine ACC games, took away 12 scholarships and ordered that 108 wins be vacated as a result of a multiyear investigation into the university's athletic programs.

"Over the course of a decade, Syracuse University did not control and monitor its athletics programs," the NCAA said in a statement, "and its head men's basketball coach failed to monitor his program."
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
Sounds like it was deserved, what i don't understand is how UNC gets what is seemingly a slap on the wrist?
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(03-06-2015 01:39 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Sounds like it was deserved, what i don't understand is how UNC gets what is seemingly a slap on the wrist?

I'm pretty sure theirs is still coming. I don't think they've finished that investigation yet.
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
(03-06-2015 01:41 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  
(03-06-2015 01:39 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Sounds like it was deserved, what i don't understand is how UNC gets what is seemingly a slap on the wrist?

I'm pretty sure theirs is still coming. I don't think they've finished that investigation yet.

It's been ongoing for years, whereas it seems the Cuse thing came on pretty quickly
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
Quote:The school must vacate 108 wins -- the most ever taken away from a program, according to Syracuse.com. As a result, Boeheim -- who had only needed 34 wins to join Duke's Mike Krzyzewski as the only coaches to reach 1,000 career wins -- is left with 858, which drops him to sixth on the all-time list.
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
(03-06-2015 01:43 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-06-2015 01:41 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  
(03-06-2015 01:39 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Sounds like it was deserved, what i don't understand is how UNC gets what is seemingly a slap on the wrist?

I'm pretty sure theirs is still coming. I don't think they've finished that investigation yet.

It's been ongoing for years, whereas it seems the Cuse thing came on pretty quickly

To be fair though, that was probably elevated by that AC a few years back that got a little too touchy feely if you know what I mean...
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
When it comes down the to the UNC Academic Scandal, it is to my understanding the case was closed but was reopened after UNC completed its own private investigation. The NCAA does not want to have another Penn St case where they overreacted and eventually had to admit that and lift the sanctions early.
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
Glass houses, hoops.

But, Carolina's fate is certainly still uncertain. If you read the report though, it states, "The school initiated the case, which includes academics, when it self-reported potential athletic department violations to the NCAA in 2007." Doesn't sound like the decision was made quickly. It also included booster problems, players receiving extra benefits and failure to follow drug policy, which aren't comparable to what happened in CH.
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
(03-06-2015 02:27 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Glass houses, hoops.

But, Carolina's fate is certainly still uncertain. If you read the report though, it states, "The school initiated the case, which includes academics, when it self-reported potential athletic department violations to the NCAA in 2007." Doesn't sound like the decision was made quickly. It also included booster problems, players receiving extra benefits and failure to follow drug policy, which aren't comparable to what happened in CH.

Unlike most UNC fans i admit wrong doing. So not a glass house at all You are right, not comparable. Creating an entire department with the sole purpose of passing athletes is on a planet of it's own!
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
I didn't know it was established that UNCH created the department just to pass athletes.Did I miss that or it is just your thought on the deal?They have some serious issues for sure but I don't see it going in the direction of the Syracuse outcome.Not a good start in the ACC for a school I thought would really help.
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OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
They're all cheats.
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
(03-06-2015 03:39 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I didn't know it was established that UNCH created the department just to pass athletes.Did I miss that or it is just your thought on the deal?They have some serious issues for sure but I don't see it going in the direction of the Syracuse outcome.Not a good start in the ACC for a school I thought would really help.
There was an entire department, that disbanned after the investigation, and 65% of it's students were athletes. They didn't show up for class, didn't do work and got A's. Seems pretty simple to draw the conclusion no? I'm not defending what Cuse did, it appears they did some crap and they will pay for it. For UNC fans to blindly dismiss what happened as 90% of their fan base does is laughable. NCAA always protects UNC, Always.

BTW MR Pepperdine fan, they were in some $hit not long ago:
http://community.pepperdine.edu/today/ne...ations.htm
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
90% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Carolina's issues appear to be academic, with no evidence of grades weren't earned.i have no idea what the NCAA will decide, but Im not surprised the "Carolina is protected" excuses have already started.

On the bright side, that jerk of a coach won't have to eat at Denny's in G'boro.

Go Hawks!
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
(03-06-2015 04:19 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  On the bright side, that jerk of a coach won't have to eat at Denny's in G'boro.

Go Hawks!

No JB is a jerk, SMDH. I've met the guy in person at camp and he was the nicest guy i've ever met. You are so in denial it's not even funny. Carolina is protected and everyone i america sees that except for UNC fans(why do you think there are so many ABC fans out there?!?!?!?). Name one other team that would lose 5 of 7 games and still be ranked?
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(03-06-2015 04:33 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-06-2015 04:19 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  On the bright side, that jerk of a coach won't have to eat at Denny's in G'boro.

Go Hawks!

No JB is a jerk, SMDH. I've met the guy in person at camp and he was the nicest guy i've ever met. You are so in denial it's not even funny. Carolina is protected and everyone i america sees that except for UNC fans(why do you think there are so many ABC fans out there?!?!?!?). Name one other team that would lose 5 of 7 games and still be ranked?

You're hilarious. "Name one other team that would lose 5 of 7 games and still be ranked?" Yeah, I'm the delusional one. AP, ESPN, RPI, BPI are all colluding to keep Carolina propped up...and the "ABC fans" are the only ones smart enough to see through their twisted ways, despite the 4th toughest schedule in the nation. Am I missing anything?

FWIW...

"YOUR JOB IS TO STAND THERE AND BE QUIET," Boeheim shouted to his security detail, who immediately apologized and insisted he was only trying to tell the coach how to exit the arena.

Boehiem cut off the man's explanation, emphatically telling him, "YOU SAY NOTHING."
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
(03-06-2015 04:33 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-06-2015 04:19 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  On the bright side, that jerk of a coach won't have to eat at Denny's in G'boro.

Go Hawks!

No JB is a jerk, SMDH. I've met the guy in person at camp and he was the nicest guy i've ever met. You are so in denial it's not even funny. Carolina is protected and everyone i america sees that except for UNC fans(why do you think there are so many ABC fans out there?!?!?!?). Name one other team that would lose 5 of 7 games and still be ranked?

ummmm really???

Duke. That's what they're famous for!

I bet if the NCAA could figure out a way without ticking everyone in the country off, they'd find a way to keep Duke in the tournament after first round losses to teams like Lehigh or Mercer.
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
(03-06-2015 04:56 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  
(03-06-2015 04:33 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-06-2015 04:19 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  On the bright side, that jerk of a coach won't have to eat at Denny's in G'boro.

Go Hawks!

No JB is a jerk, SMDH. I've met the guy in person at camp and he was the nicest guy i've ever met. You are so in denial it's not even funny. Carolina is protected and everyone i america sees that except for UNC fans(why do you think there are so many ABC fans out there?!?!?!?). Name one other team that would lose 5 of 7 games and still be ranked?

ummmm really???

Duke. That's what they're famous for!

I bet if the NCAA could figure out a way without ticking everyone in the country off, they'd find a way to keep Duke in the tournament after first round losses to teams like Lehigh or Mercer.
Less duke fans=less annoying. Not to mention i'd guess it's been 20 years since they had a stretch that bad

Bricks everyone has their moments, aside from one outburst last season he had never been tossed from a game.

Look back at this thread aside form saying i dind't think JB was a jerk i haven't defended anything. At the same time the UNcheater fans have blindly supported them. UNC was a clean run program back when Dean was there who i very much respect. After that, notsomuch!
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Yep.Pepperdine giving undo finicial aid to players and giving grades for parking cars.
Does not compare to what the Cuse was up to or even close.It seems to be the caught and the next one to be caught these days.No excuse for it other than greed and arrogance.BTW-its not the first time for Pepperdine or the last IMO.
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(03-06-2015 04:12 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-06-2015 03:39 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I didn't know it was established that UNCH created the department just to pass athletes.Did I miss that or it is just your thought on the deal?They have some serious issues for sure but I don't see it going in the direction of the Syracuse outcome.Not a good start in the ACC for a school I thought would really help.
There was an entire department, that disbanned after the investigation, and 65% of it's students were athletes. They didn't show up for class, didn't do work and got A's. Seems pretty simple to draw the conclusion no? I'm not defending what Cuse did, it appears they did some crap and they will pay for it. For UNC fans to blindly dismiss what happened as 90% of their fan base does is laughable. NCAA always protects UNC, Always.

BTW MR Pepperdine fan, they were in some $hit not long ago:
http://community.pepperdine.edu/today/ne...ations.htm
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RE: OT: Syracuse suspends Boeheim; 108 wins vacated and 12 scholarships cut
(03-06-2015 04:59 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-06-2015 04:56 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  
(03-06-2015 04:33 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-06-2015 04:19 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  On the bright side, that jerk of a coach won't have to eat at Denny's in G'boro.

Go Hawks!

No JB is a jerk, SMDH. I've met the guy in person at camp and he was the nicest guy i've ever met. You are so in denial it's not even funny. Carolina is protected and everyone i america sees that except for UNC fans(why do you think there are so many ABC fans out there?!?!?!?). Name one other team that would lose 5 of 7 games and still be ranked?

ummmm really???

Duke. That's what they're famous for!

I bet if the NCAA could figure out a way without ticking everyone in the country off, they'd find a way to keep Duke in the tournament after first round losses to teams like Lehigh or Mercer.
Less duke fans=less annoying. Not to mention i'd guess it's been 20 years since they had a stretch that bad

Bricks everyone has their moments, aside from one outburst last season he had never been tossed from a game.

Look back at this thread aside form saying i dind't think JB was a jerk i haven't defended anything. At the same time the UNcheater fans have blindly supported them. UNC was a clean run program back when Dean was there who i very much respect. After that, notsomuch!

1. People very quickly forget the Josh McRoberts/Greg Paulus Duke era.
2. I haven't defended Carolina at all. There is a legitimate debate about whether or not the issues are academic or athletic, but it is still bad for the university. What is unclear is how the NCAA will/should treat Carolina basketball. The Weinstein report, had many flaws for a concluding report, but even with the assumptions he made, he didn't implicate Roy Williams in anything.
3. JB has openly made disparaging about the South as he was joining a conference based in the South. Perhaps he is a swell guy, but he sure comes off as smug and arrogant. I don't claim to know the guy, and although I've meet plenty of famous people, I am careful not to speak to their character based on a few random encounters.
4. You suppose that you represent all Cuse fans, while continuously referencing all of the "UNCheater" fans that you know. Why is that?
5. Are we seriously supposed to debate with someone that references Carolina as "UNCheater"? It's pretty obvious that you have your narrative set, facts be damned. You're an enigma. In many ways, I respect your opinion, but when it comes to Carolina you're totally biased.
6. I apologize for contributing to this thread for two reasons. First, as a Cuse fan, I understand that today's news is disappointing regardless of what occurred at SU. Today isn't the day to discuss this with you. Secondly, UNCW plays in the CAA tourney tomorrow night, with a legit chance to win three straight, and make it back to the NCAAT. That is where our focus should be.



Good day!
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5. Are we seriously supposed to debate with someone that references Carolina as "UNCheater"? It's pretty obvious that you have your narrative set, facts be damned.
My narrative is set based on the facts that i've seen presented. It seems pretty clear to me and to everyone else that is a non UNC fan.

And Even when Duke was average during the "ERA" you suggest i'd still bet they never lost 5 of 7.
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