Some 2-3 star players playing locally that signed elsewhere for 2015 as well.

I do think Avery has 3 years to play at DI though.

(03-02-2015 11:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:32 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  To go for a pedantic two-for-two:

There's a difference between "his fault" and "his responsibility".

The PG situation isn't his fault (Kedren's conditioning, Pookie's illness/inexperience, Cunningham's inexperience) but finding a solution IS his responsibility.

Being out of timeouts wasn't his "fault." He didn't waste any timeouts-- one or two had to be used when players dove to the floor to collect loose balls. If the game hadn't been managed the way it was, we might not have been in the position to have a shot for the win after the 5 second call.

Still, having his players ready to respond well with no timeouts IS his responsibility.

He's not at fault that Pookie didn't qualify, that Markel was hurt, that Kuran was a knucklehead, etc. So it's not entirely his "fault" that the development of talent vis a vis graduating classes got a bit out of sync. However, it IS his responsibility to manage these situations.

Our not being disciplined might or might not be his fault. Even Calipari had a hard time with local players so much that he didn't recruit them. When you have everyone from a kid's childhood in his ear opposing the coach, it can place a strain on the kid's ability to tune it out and listen to the coach. But whether or not it's his fault, it IS his responsibility to handle those things. Perhaps he does the best he can, who knows.

Some things Pastner has handled well, others not so much. We've caught a lot of bad breaks during his tenure here at crucial times. At other times we've looked underprepared and have underachieved.

I think he'll probably get one more year. We'll see.

It is all his fault because he has been on the job for 6 years. It is his fault we had great players for 4 years, it is his fault we do not have great players now.

the reason that Josh had to resort to bringing in an overweight point guard that does not have a passion for basketball is that he had no returning point guard that had played one minute at the D-1 level.

He could have brought one in last year, instead he brought in Dixon and Pellom (one year players) in order to 'go for broke' last year and it did not work out. -Another Second round debacle despite a presason ranking of top 10.

He could have brought in a point guard Joe's junior year, instead he choose to bring in Geron Johnson.

I know Pookie did not qualify and Josh did not cause that, but it was known that he was questionable when Josh recruited him.

So it is 100% Josh's fault that we have a poor situation at point guard. Who else could you blame?

With the 4 senior guards, including 3 that could play point guard, and another point guard in Pookie in the fold, there was ZERO chance a good point guard was going to come in.

The only way Pastner avoids this is if he passes on Geron; which would have been impossible.

The best move was for Pastner to swap out Barton for Dixon.

(03-02-2015 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:32 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  To go for a pedantic two-for-two:

There's a difference between "his fault" and "his responsibility".

The PG situation isn't his fault (Kedren's conditioning, Pookie's illness/inexperience, Cunningham's inexperience) but finding a solution IS his responsibility.

Being out of timeouts wasn't his "fault." He didn't waste any timeouts-- one or two had to be used when players dove to the floor to collect loose balls. If the game hadn't been managed the way it was, we might not have been in the position to have a shot for the win after the 5 second call.

Still, having his players ready to respond well with no timeouts IS his responsibility.

He's not at fault that Pookie didn't qualify, that Markel was hurt, that Kuran was a knucklehead, etc. So it's not entirely his "fault" that the development of talent vis a vis graduating classes got a bit out of sync. However, it IS his responsibility to manage these situations.

Our not being disciplined might or might not be his fault. Even Calipari had a hard time with local players so much that he didn't recruit them. When you have everyone from a kid's childhood in his ear opposing the coach, it can place a strain on the kid's ability to tune it out and listen to the coach. But whether or not it's his fault, it IS his responsibility to handle those things. Perhaps he does the best he can, who knows.

Some things Pastner has handled well, others not so much. We've caught a lot of bad breaks during his tenure here at crucial times. At other times we've looked underprepared and have underachieved.

I think he'll probably get one more year. We'll see.

It is all his fault because he has been on the job for 6 years. It is his fault we had great players for 4 years, it is his fault we do not have great players now.

the reason that Josh had to resort to bringing in an overweight point guard that does not have a passion for basketball is that he had no returning point guard that had played one minute at the D-1 level.

He could have brought one in last year, instead he brought in Dixon and Pellom (one year players) in order to 'go for broke' last year and it did not work out. -Another Second round debacle despite a presason ranking of top 10.

He could have brought in a point guard Joe's junior year, instead he choose to bring in Geron Johnson.

I know Pookie did not qualify and Josh did not cause that, but it was known that he was questionable when Josh recruited him.

So it is 100% Josh's fault that we have a poor situation at point guard. Who else could you blame?

With the 4 senior guards, including 3 that could play point guard, and another point guard in Pookie in the fold, there was ZERO chance a good point guard was going to come in.

The only way Pastner avoids this is if he passes on Geron; which would have been impossible.

The best move was for Pastner to swap out Barton for Dixon.

The best move for Pastner was to beat Virginia, make the Sweet 16 and not have to sweat a down year...

(03-02-2015 12:49 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:32 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  To go for a pedantic two-for-two:

There's a difference between "his fault" and "his responsibility".

The PG situation isn't his fault (Kedren's conditioning, Pookie's illness/inexperience, Cunningham's inexperience) but finding a solution IS his responsibility.

Being out of timeouts wasn't his "fault." He didn't waste any timeouts-- one or two had to be used when players dove to the floor to collect loose balls. If the game hadn't been managed the way it was, we might not have been in the position to have a shot for the win after the 5 second call.

Still, having his players ready to respond well with no timeouts IS his responsibility.

He's not at fault that Pookie didn't qualify, that Markel was hurt, that Kuran was a knucklehead, etc. So it's not entirely his "fault" that the development of talent vis a vis graduating classes got a bit out of sync. However, it IS his responsibility to manage these situations.

Our not being disciplined might or might not be his fault. Even Calipari had a hard time with local players so much that he didn't recruit them. When you have everyone from a kid's childhood in his ear opposing the coach, it can place a strain on the kid's ability to tune it out and listen to the coach. But whether or not it's his fault, it IS his responsibility to handle those things. Perhaps he does the best he can, who knows.

Some things Pastner has handled well, others not so much. We've caught a lot of bad breaks during his tenure here at crucial times. At other times we've looked underprepared and have underachieved.

I think he'll probably get one more year. We'll see.

It is all his fault because he has been on the job for 6 years. It is his fault we had great players for 4 years, it is his fault we do not have great players now.

the reason that Josh had to resort to bringing in an overweight point guard that does not have a passion for basketball is that he had no returning point guard that had played one minute at the D-1 level.

He could have brought one in last year, instead he brought in Dixon and Pellom (one year players) in order to 'go for broke' last year and it did not work out. -Another Second round debacle despite a presason ranking of top 10.

He could have brought in a point guard Joe's junior year, instead he choose to bring in Geron Johnson.

I know Pookie did not qualify and Josh did not cause that, but it was known that he was questionable when Josh recruited him.

So it is 100% Josh's fault that we have a poor situation at point guard. Who else could you blame?

With the 4 senior guards, including 3 that could play point guard, and another point guard in Pookie in the fold, there was ZERO chance a good point guard was going to come in.

The only way Pastner avoids this is if he passes on Geron; which would have been impossible.

The best move was for Pastner to swap out Barton for Dixon.

The best move for Pastner was to beat Virginia Houston and Split with Cincy avoid UVA , make the Sweet 16 and not have to sweat a down year...

Fixed it for you.

(03-02-2015 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:32 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  To go for a pedantic two-for-two:

There's a difference between "his fault" and "his responsibility".

The PG situation isn't his fault (Kedren's conditioning, Pookie's illness/inexperience, Cunningham's inexperience) but finding a solution IS his responsibility.

Being out of timeouts wasn't his "fault." He didn't waste any timeouts-- one or two had to be used when players dove to the floor to collect loose balls. If the game hadn't been managed the way it was, we might not have been in the position to have a shot for the win after the 5 second call.


Still, having his players ready to respond well with no timeouts IS his responsibility.

He's not at fault that Pookie didn't qualify, that Markel was hurt, that Kuran was a knucklehead, etc. So it's not entirely his "fault" that the development of talent vis a vis graduating classes got a bit out of sync. However, it IS his responsibility to manage these situations.

Our not being disciplined might or might not be his fault. Even Calipari had a hard time with local players so much that he didn't recruit them. When you have everyone from a kid's childhood in his ear opposing the coach, it can place a strain on the kid's ability to tune it out and listen to the coach. But whether or not it's his fault, it IS his responsibility to handle those things. Perhaps he does the best he can, who knows.

Some things Pastner has handled well, others not so much. We've caught a lot of bad breaks during his tenure here at crucial times. At other times we've looked underprepared and have underachieved.

I think he'll probably get one more year. We'll see.

It is all his fault because he has been on the job for 6 years. It is his fault we had great players for 4 years, it is his fault we do not have great players now.

the reason that Josh had to resort to bringing in an overweight point guard that does not have a passion for basketball is that he had no returning point guard that had played one minute at the D-1 level.

He could have brought one in last year, instead he brought in Dixon and Pellom (one year players) in order to 'go for broke' last year and it did not work out. -Another Second round debacle despite a presason ranking of top 10.

He could have brought in a point guard Joe's junior year, instead he choose to bring in Geron Johnson.

I know Pookie did not qualify and Josh did not cause that, but it was known that he was questionable when Josh recruited him.

So it is 100% Josh's fault that we have a poor situation at point guard. Who else could you blame?

With the 4 senior guards, including 3 that could play point guard, and another point guard in Pookie in the fold, there was ZERO chance a good point guard was going to come in.

The only way Pastner avoids this is if he passes on Geron; which would have been impossible.

The best move was for Pastner to swap out Barton for Dixon.

It proved to be a flawed strategy.

(03-02-2015 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:32 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  To go for a pedantic two-for-two:

There's a difference between "his fault" and "his responsibility".

The PG situation isn't his fault (Kedren's conditioning, Pookie's illness/inexperience, Cunningham's inexperience) but finding a solution IS his responsibility.

Being out of timeouts wasn't his "fault." He didn't waste any timeouts-- one or two had to be used when players dove to the floor to collect loose balls. If the game hadn't been managed the way it was, we might not have been in the position to have a shot for the win after the 5 second call.

Still, having his players ready to respond well with no timeouts IS his responsibility.

He's not at fault that Pookie didn't qualify, that Markel was hurt, that Kuran was a knucklehead, etc. So it's not entirely his "fault" that the development of talent vis a vis graduating classes got a bit out of sync. However, it IS his responsibility to manage these situations.

Our not being disciplined might or might not be his fault. Even Calipari had a hard time with local players so much that he didn't recruit them. When you have everyone from a kid's childhood in his ear opposing the coach, it can place a strain on the kid's ability to tune it out and listen to the coach. But whether or not it's his fault, it IS his responsibility to handle those things. Perhaps he does the best he can, who knows.

Some things Pastner has handled well, others not so much. We've caught a lot of bad breaks during his tenure here at crucial times. At other times we've looked underprepared and have underachieved.

I think he'll probably get one more year. We'll see.

It is all his fault because he has been on the job for 6 years. It is his fault we had great players for 4 years, it is his fault we do not have great players now.

the reason that Josh had to resort to bringing in an overweight point guard that does not have a passion for basketball is that he had no returning point guard that had played one minute at the D-1 level.

He could have brought one in last year, instead he brought in Dixon and Pellom (one year players) in order to 'go for broke' last year and it did not work out. -Another Second round debacle despite a presason ranking of top 10.

He could have brought in a point guard Joe's junior year, instead he choose to bring in Geron Johnson.

I know Pookie did not qualify and Josh did not cause that, but it was known that he was questionable when Josh recruited him.

So it is 100% Josh's fault that we have a poor situation at point guard. Who else could you blame?

With the 4 senior guards, including 3 that could play point guard, and another point guard in Pookie in the fold, there was ZERO chance a good point guard was going to come in.

The only way Pastner avoids this is if he passes on Geron; which would have been impossible.

The best move was for Pastner to swap out Barton for Dixon.

If he would not have taken Dixon, he would have had 3 guards, and really JJ was the only one capable of playing D-1 PG for any length of time.

Might be remembering wrong, but I never saw anyone say we shouldn't take Dixon. 99.99% of the posts were very pro Dixon. A few were hesitant because of his issues.

(03-02-2015 12:57 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:32 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  To go for a pedantic two-for-two:

There's a difference between "his fault" and "his responsibility".

The PG situation isn't his fault (Kedren's conditioning, Pookie's illness/inexperience, Cunningham's inexperience) but finding a solution IS his responsibility.

Being out of timeouts wasn't his "fault." He didn't waste any timeouts-- one or two had to be used when players dove to the floor to collect loose balls. If the game hadn't been managed the way it was, we might not have been in the position to have a shot for the win after the 5 second call.

Still, having his players ready to respond well with no timeouts IS his responsibility.

He's not at fault that Pookie didn't qualify, that Markel was hurt, that Kuran was a knucklehead, etc. So it's not entirely his "fault" that the development of talent vis a vis graduating classes got a bit out of sync. However, it IS his responsibility to manage these situations.

Our not being disciplined might or might not be his fault. Even Calipari had a hard time with local players so much that he didn't recruit them. When you have everyone from a kid's childhood in his ear opposing the coach, it can place a strain on the kid's ability to tune it out and listen to the coach. But whether or not it's his fault, it IS his responsibility to handle those things. Perhaps he does the best he can, who knows.

Some things Pastner has handled well, others not so much. We've caught a lot of bad breaks during his tenure here at crucial times. At other times we've looked underprepared and have underachieved.

I think he'll probably get one more year. We'll see.

It is all his fault because he has been on the job for 6 years. It is his fault we had great players for 4 years, it is his fault we do not have great players now.

the reason that Josh had to resort to bringing in an overweight point guard that does not have a passion for basketball is that he had no returning point guard that had played one minute at the D-1 level.

He could have brought one in last year, instead he brought in Dixon and Pellom (one year players) in order to 'go for broke' last year and it did not work out. -Another Second round debacle despite a presason ranking of top 10.

He could have brought in a point guard Joe's junior year, instead he choose to bring in Geron Johnson.

I know Pookie did not qualify and Josh did not cause that, but it was known that he was questionable when Josh recruited him.

So it is 100% Josh's fault that we have a poor situation at point guard. Who else could you blame?

With the 4 senior guards, including 3 that could play point guard, and another point guard in Pookie in the fold, there was ZERO chance a good point guard was going to come in.

The only way Pastner avoids this is if he passes on Geron; which would have been impossible.

The best move was for Pastner to swap out Barton for Dixon.

If he would not have taken Dixon, he would have had 3 guards, and really JJ was the only one capable of playing D-1 PG for any length of time.

If he had Payne he wouldn't have needed Dixon. He basically recruited two guards who he knew wouldn't play last year in Pookie and Markel. Chris Crawford played a lot of point for 4 years as well. It could have been done and we could have developed Wilson, King and Iverson at the 3.

(03-02-2015 12:41 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 10:47 AM)M_Tiger Wrote:  Look, if you think all of this is NOT coaching or recruiting, then what is it? Don't say rebuilding, either. We lost to a Stephen Austin team at HOME and compare the recruiting stats on us vs them. Memphis would not have bothered to look at any SFA players during recruiting.

You are 100% correct.

But, maybe we should start looking at some of those 3-star type players? Not an entire roster, mind you. But, keep our 5-star targets and try to find some role players that are a better 'fit'?

Just a thought.

3* players are what we should be filling our roster out with, instead we fill it with JUCOs and transfers with only or 2 years remaining. Which makes it impossible to build real depth, see this year for an example. Most 3* players can become very serviceable players given two or three years to develop in a system, like DJ Stephens. However, at this point I do not JP would have looked at a guy like DJ in the present time, he would instead give that spot to a guy like Godfrey...

Excellent point!

(03-02-2015 01:06 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:57 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:32 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  To go for a pedantic two-for-two:

There's a difference between "his fault" and "his responsibility".

The PG situation isn't his fault (Kedren's conditioning, Pookie's illness/inexperience, Cunningham's inexperience) but finding a solution IS his responsibility.

Being out of timeouts wasn't his "fault." He didn't waste any timeouts-- one or two had to be used when players dove to the floor to collect loose balls. If the game hadn't been managed the way it was, we might not have been in the position to have a shot for the win after the 5 second call.

Still, having his players ready to respond well with no timeouts IS his responsibility.

He's not at fault that Pookie didn't qualify, that Markel was hurt, that Kuran was a knucklehead, etc. So it's not entirely his "fault" that the development of talent vis a vis graduating classes got a bit out of sync. However, it IS his responsibility to manage these situations.

Our not being disciplined might or might not be his fault. Even Calipari had a hard time with local players so much that he didn't recruit them. When you have everyone from a kid's childhood in his ear opposing the coach, it can place a strain on the kid's ability to tune it out and listen to the coach. But whether or not it's his fault, it IS his responsibility to handle those things. Perhaps he does the best he can, who knows.

Some things Pastner has handled well, others not so much. We've caught a lot of bad breaks during his tenure here at crucial times. At other times we've looked underprepared and have underachieved.

I think he'll probably get one more year. We'll see.

It is all his fault because he has been on the job for 6 years. It is his fault we had great players for 4 years, it is his fault we do not have great players now.

the reason that Josh had to resort to bringing in an overweight point guard that does not have a passion for basketball is that he had no returning point guard that had played one minute at the D-1 level.

He could have brought one in last year, instead he brought in Dixon and Pellom (one year players) in order to 'go for broke' last year and it did not work out. -Another Second round debacle despite a presason ranking of top 10.

He could have brought in a point guard Joe's junior year, instead he choose to bring in Geron Johnson.

I know Pookie did not qualify and Josh did not cause that, but it was known that he was questionable when Josh recruited him.

So it is 100% Josh's fault that we have a poor situation at point guard. Who else could you blame?

With the 4 senior guards, including 3 that could play point guard, and another point guard in Pookie in the fold, there was ZERO chance a good point guard was going to come in.

The only way Pastner avoids this is if he passes on Geron; which would have been impossible.

The best move was for Pastner to swap out Barton for Dixon.

If he would not have taken Dixon, he would have had 3 guards, and really JJ was the only one capable of playing D-1 PG for any length of time.

If he had Payne he wouldn't have needed Dixon. He basically recruited two guards who he knew wouldn't play last year in Pookie and Markel. Chris Crawford played a lot of point for 4 years as well. It could have been done and we could have developed Wilson, King and Iverson at the 3.

You and your buddies are constantly complaining when we recruit players with less than 4 stars, with no offers, and now you are jumping all over Pastner for not recruiting a 3 star point guard not ranked in the Rivals 150. Seems fairly consistent with the way you think.

Players defecting? Not the problem. Your logic needs "disinfecting".

Pastner bear Pitino TWICE last year; owned Gonzaga before this year. Travis Ford beaten last year.

How could a "clown" beat the ranked and defending national champion coach Pitino.

The only "clown" appears to be you

(03-02-2015 01:01 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Might be remembering wrong, but I never saw anyone say we shouldn't take Dixon. 99.99% of the posts were very pro Dixon. A few were hesitant because of his issues.

Exactly.

(03-02-2015 04:01 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Pastner bear Pitino TWICE last year; owned Gonzaga before this year. Travis Ford beaten last year.

How could a "clown" beat the ranked and defending national champion coach Pitino.

I dunno.

How could the head coaches of SFA, ECU, Tulane, Tulsa, CBU, etc., beat the guy who beat Pitino???

(03-02-2015 04:01 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Players defecting? Not the problem. Your logic needs "disinfecting".

Pastner bear Pitino TWICE last year; owned Gonzaga before this year. Travis Ford beaten last year.

How could a "clown" beat the ranked and defending national champion coach Pitino.

The only "clown" appears to be you

Interesting that a thread calling our coach a clown, in the title has been up for 2 days.

Jalen Kendrick. Kicked off.
Tariq Black. Benched at Kansas same as here
Kuran Iverson? Picked up by Rhode Island, really? He did himself in


Defect(ive) logic

(03-02-2015 04:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:01 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Pastner bear Pitino TWICE last year; owned Gonzaga before this year. Travis Ford beaten last year.

How could a "clown" beat the ranked and defending national champion coach Pitino.

I dunno.

How could the head coaches of SFA, ECU, Tulane, Tulsa, CBU, etc., beat the guy who beat Pitino???

A little late to the party amigo. We lost to those teams last year?

(03-02-2015 04:05 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Jalen Kendrick. Kicked off.
Tariq Black. Benched at Kansas same as here
Kuran Iverson? Picked up by Rhode Island, really? He did himself in


Defect(ive) logic

Tarik Black; benched WORST than here. Antonio Barton didn't improve either.

(03-02-2015 04:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:01 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Pastner bear Pitino TWICE last year; owned Gonzaga before this year. Travis Ford beaten last year.

How could a "clown" beat the ranked and defending national champion coach Pitino.

I dunno.

How could the head coaches of SFA, ECU, Tulane, Tulsa, CBU, etc., beat the guy who beat Pitino???

A little late to the party amigo. We lost to those teams last year?

So, Pastner's not a good coach this year, just last year?

(03-02-2015 04:17 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:01 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Pastner bear Pitino TWICE last year; owned Gonzaga before this year. Travis Ford beaten last year.

How could a "clown" beat the ranked and defending national champion coach Pitino.

I dunno.

How could the head coaches of SFA, ECU, Tulane, Tulsa, CBU, etc., beat the guy who beat Pitino???

A little late to the party amigo. We lost to those teams last year?

So, Pastner's not a good coach

^^^^^this

I was really, really surprised we didn't see Cunningham at all in overtime. We really could have used some fresh legs (especially at point guard).