http://www.accuracy.org/release/colin-po...ed-to-war/

(02-19-2015 07:06 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://www.accuracy.org/release/colin-po...ed-to-war/

Really? That's your source?




http://www.accuracy.org/about-us/

Quote:Background on the Institute for Public Accuracy:

The Institute for Public Accuracy was founded in mid-1997 by Norman Solomon with the support of a two-year $100,000-per-year Public Interest Pioneer grant from the Stern Family Fund. IPA opened its national office in San Francisco in October 1997. Several months later, IPA established its media office in the National Press Building in Washington, D.C. It is a 501©(3) organization.

IPA increases the reach and capacity of progressive and grassroots organizations (at no cost to them) to address public policy by getting them and their ideas into the mainstream media.

You want to quit now or you want to keep digging and look like an even bigger fool?

It was a piece arguing the problems with Powell's speech. Just Google "Problems with Poweell's UN speech". Hundreds more for you to read. Hell Colin Powell has expressed regret over the speech.

Someone is a fool here and it's not me.

There is no glory in me debating you Kaplony. The outcome is already known.

How about Powell's own words. Would they suffice?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/politi....html?_r=0

Asked by Ms. Walters how painful this was for him, Mr. Powell replied: "It was painful. It's painful now." Asked further how he felt upon learning that he had been misled about the accuracy of intelligence on which he relied, Mr. Powell said, "Terrible." He added that it was "devastating" to learn later that some intelligence agents knew the information he had was unreliable but did not speak up.

This is more defendable ground than Thermopylae but if you wish to continue............. I especially love the "foolish" part. It's cute.

Powell very well may have problems with his speech but it doesn't prove your point that the Iraq invasion was just about nuclear weapons when in said speech he covers in one significant section the chemical weapons.....you know the one's we now know we recovered during the occupation.

Now since you seem dead set on digging in your heels and not admitting you made a factually incorrect statement go ahead and find a legitimate news source to back up your claims. Not Accuracy.org. Not Mother Jones. Not MSNBC. A legitimate news source. Remember that this is the Richard Simmons room and you are required to back up your claims.

Powell, every person in the world with an IQ above 60 has problems with the UN speech.

We didn't go to war to find chemical weapons we all knew they had. It was about stopping a mushroom cloud over Manhattan.


This is a pathetic attempt to whitewash history.

This shyt might fly up in Newberry.......

But Not up in here!!!

UPON FURTHER REVIEW:

Kaplony I have treated you unfairly. Your assessment of the WMD program in Iraq is on solid footing. Please keep up this narrative. Americans would be eternally indebted to you if you brought this up in October of 2016. October of 2020...... October of 2024............

Carry on you mighty warrior for truth and justice. I'm right behind you clapping. Cheering you on. Please Please Please keep reminding the American people of the invasion of Iraq. It's a winning strategery.

But the weapons did exist, as evidenced by the article in the hardly Conservative friendly NY Times linked in the original post in this thread. That trumps what Powell said in 2005 by a long shot, especially since he was no longer in the administration and wouldn't have been privy to the results of a top secret program anyway.

And no article that YOU have linked from any legitimate news source backs up YOUR claims that it was solely about nuclear weapons.

Here's your statement:

Quote:Wmd's

Yellow cake....... Nuclear weapon variety wmds boys. You know it and so do I. Appreciate the effort though!

Now prove it.

"Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof--the smoking gun--that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." --George W. Bush, Oct. 7

Kaplony............


Never has the shining light of truth been needed more in this vast expanse of darkness of confusion and tomfoolery. You are right and I am wrong. I apologize. Please keep reminding us all about chemical weapons and wmd's. You have me convinced.

Carry on soldier.

I can see the GOP CAMPAIGN 2016 commercials now.............

WMD's and IRAQ! Bush was RIGHT!
VOTE GOP!!!!!

The possibilities are endless...............

G Damn Kaplony you are Genius.

This is good stuff.

OMGOODY GOODY GOODNESS!!!!!!!

I forgot Jeb may just be your candidate too!!!!!!! Do you think some people might, just might, put two and two together and figure out Jeb and George are brothers??????

I bet you. I would bet you my last nickel that people just may link George, Jeb, and the Iraq War invasion together when they are casting their vote in 16.

You may want to get out in front of this one Kaplony. Rock SOLID here buddy.

Keep up the good work.

I'm just spitballing here but I have a strong inkling Jeb may be your guy. We need more Kaplony message warriors out there. I say............

Fiat justitia ruat caelum

Beautiful...................

(02-19-2015 08:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof--the smoking gun--that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." --George W. Bush, Oct. 7

Nice little edit of one small statement in a very lengthy and detailed speech.

Here's some more snippets from the same speech, I'll highlight some pertinent points for you since you seem to have missed them when you cherry picked your statement

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/oct/07/usa.iraq

Quote:Eleven years ago, as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War, the Iraqi regime was required to destroy its weapons of mass destruction, to cease all development of such weapons and to stop all support for terrorist groups. The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism and practices terror against its own people. The entire world has witnessed Iraq's 11-year history of defiance, deception and bad faith.

Quote: We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, Sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas. Saddam Hussein also has experience in using chemical weapons. He's ordered chemical attacks on Iran and on more than 40 villages in his own country. These actions killed or injured at least 20,000 people: more than six times the number of people who died in the attacks of September 11.

And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons. Every chemical and biological weapon that Iraq has or makes is a direct violation of the truce that ended the Persian Gulf War in 1991.Yet Saddam Hussein has chosen to build and keep these weapons, despite international sanctions, UN demands and isolation from the civilized world.

Quote: We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles [UAVs] that could be used to disperse chemical and biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States.

And, of course, sophisticated delivery systems aren't required for a chemical or biological attack. All that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it. And that is the source of our urgent concern about Saddam Hussein's links to international terrorist groups.

Quote: Some al-Qaida leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al-Qaida leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks.

We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaida members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September 11 Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America.

Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists. Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints.

Quote:After 11 years during which we've tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon.

Now tell me again how it was just about nuclear WMDs again.

Nope.... not at all. You have me convinced. Spread the word!

After 11 years during which we've tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon.

Just curious? Was this, albeit cherry pick, true? Was Saddam closer to developing a nuclear weapon? I may be going out on a limb here but I would bet you that, this was the part that garnered people's attentions. The mushroom cloud thingy majingy is a hook for sure. Attention grabber without a doubt.

Don't get me wrong here Kaplony. You have me convinced. You have done some serious legwork here and need to spread this message. This is a means tested fool proof approach. Rock Solid work my good man. I'll make sure to bookmark this for October of 16.

LOL You know how we know when we have you beaten? You go off the deep end and start with the personal attacks.

As for my candidate, it ain't Jeb Bush unless he wins the nomination. I'll vote for my neighbor's trash can before I'll vote for a leftist.


Right now I don't have a candidate, but I am leaning towards Walker. I figure he's done such a good job cleaning up that viper's nest of unions in Wisconsin I would like to see him do the same on a national level.