(02-14-2015 12:44 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Paper recruiting champions. Congratulations. Still hasn't proven a damn thing on the field.

Id beg to differ. Our recruiting in all sports has gotten significantly better since we upgraded basically everything.
Weve already seen dividends in Womens Basketball and Mens soccer, which both have had long term stable coaching.

Now we have brand new Baseball, Basketball and 2nd year football. Given a little more time, I think those coaches develop the new talent and do very well with it.

and for all the UCiF fans making jokes about football... just take a look what Oliar did his first two years in a much easier conference. It took him time too. I still believe in Taggart and hope he gets at least two years. Skippy killed the program. It cant be fixed over night.

(02-15-2015 10:09 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 12:44 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Paper recruiting champions. Congratulations. Still hasn't proven a damn thing on the field.

Id beg to differ. Our recruiting in all sports has gotten significantly better since we upgraded basically everything.
Weve already seen dividends in Womens Basketball and Mens soccer, which both have had long term stable coaching.

Now we have brand new Baseball, Basketball and 2nd year football. Given a little more time, I think those coaches develop the new talent and do very well with it.

and for all the UCiF fans making jokes about football... just take a look what Oliar did his first two years in a much easier conference. It took him time too. I still believe in Taggart and hope he gets at least two years. Skippy killed the program. It cant be fixed over night.

Lol it just shows how bitter you are every time you call him oliar. It's obvi you're jealous of our success. And just don't even start with the whole you just cheat wah wah wah. You sound like a whiny girl when you do that.

(02-15-2015 12:05 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 10:09 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 12:44 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Paper recruiting champions. Congratulations. Still hasn't proven a damn thing on the field.

Id beg to differ. Our recruiting in all sports has gotten significantly better since we upgraded basically everything.
Weve already seen dividends in Womens Basketball and Mens soccer, which both have had long term stable coaching.

Now we have brand new Baseball, Basketball and 2nd year football. Given a little more time, I think those coaches develop the new talent and do very well with it.

and for all the UCiF fans making jokes about football... just take a look what Oliar did his first two years in a much easier conference. It took him time too. I still believe in Taggart and hope he gets at least two years. Skippy killed the program. It cant be fixed over night.

Lol it just shows how bitter you are every time you call him oliar. It's obvi you're jealous of our success. And just don't even start with the whole you just cheat wah wah wah. You sound like a whiny girl when you do that.

Jealous of UCF...HA! I am sorry but I like to hold my head up high. Id have walked away from my program after the second round of cheating and killing a player.
Integrity matters to me. Id rather never win the big game then have my school tarnished by that mans actions but you go ahead and be proud. It shows your level of class.

(02-15-2015 02:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:05 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 10:09 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 12:44 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Paper recruiting champions. Congratulations. Still hasn't proven a damn thing on the field.

Id beg to differ. Our recruiting in all sports has gotten significantly better since we upgraded basically everything.
Weve already seen dividends in Womens Basketball and Mens soccer, which both have had long term stable coaching.

Now we have brand new Baseball, Basketball and 2nd year football. Given a little more time, I think those coaches develop the new talent and do very well with it.

and for all the UCiF fans making jokes about football... just take a look what Oliar did his first two years in a much easier conference. It took him time too. I still believe in Taggart and hope he gets at least two years. Skippy killed the program. It cant be fixed over night.

Lol it just shows how bitter you are every time you call him oliar. It's obvi you're jealous of our success. And just don't even start with the whole you just cheat wah wah wah. You sound like a whiny girl when you do that.

Jealous of UCF...HA! I am sorry but I like to hold my head up high. Id have walked away from my program after the second round of cheating and killing a player.
Integrity matters to me. Id rather never win the big game then have my school tarnished by that mans actions but you go ahead and be proud. It shows your level of class.

Lucky for you USF isn't gonna win the "big game" for a long time.
What is your "big game"?
I'm guessing the Meineke Car Care Bowl?

(02-15-2015 02:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:05 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 10:09 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 12:44 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Paper recruiting champions. Congratulations. Still hasn't proven a damn thing on the field.

Id beg to differ. Our recruiting in all sports has gotten significantly better since we upgraded basically everything.
Weve already seen dividends in Womens Basketball and Mens soccer, which both have had long term stable coaching.

Now we have brand new Baseball, Basketball and 2nd year football. Given a little more time, I think those coaches develop the new talent and do very well with it.

and for all the UCiF fans making jokes about football... just take a look what Oliar did his first two years in a much easier conference. It took him time too. I still believe in Taggart and hope he gets at least two years. Skippy killed the program. It cant be fixed over night.

Lol it just shows how bitter you are every time you call him oliar. It's obvi you're jealous of our success. And just don't even start with the whole you just cheat wah wah wah. You sound like a whiny girl when you do that.

Jealous of UCF...HA! I am sorry but I like to hold my head up high. Id have walked away from my program after the second round of cheating and killing a player.
Integrity matters to me. Id rather never win the big game then have my school tarnished by that mans actions but you go ahead and be proud. It shows your level of class.

"Killing a player"..really? Seems you guys suffered a tragic death of one of your players during a workout too back in 2007. But of course, being the tool you are, you like to take the below the belt shot regarding our tragedy...

(02-15-2015 03:05 PM)knight-stick Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 02:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:05 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 10:09 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 12:44 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Paper recruiting champions. Congratulations. Still hasn't proven a damn thing on the field.

Id beg to differ. Our recruiting in all sports has gotten significantly better since we upgraded basically everything.
Weve already seen dividends in Womens Basketball and Mens soccer, which both have had long term stable coaching.

Now we have brand new Baseball, Basketball and 2nd year football. Given a little more time, I think those coaches develop the new talent and do very well with it.

and for all the UCiF fans making jokes about football... just take a look what Oliar did his first two years in a much easier conference. It took him time too. I still believe in Taggart and hope he gets at least two years. Skippy killed the program. It cant be fixed over night.

Lol it just shows how bitter you are every time you call him oliar. It's obvi you're jealous of our success. And just don't even start with the whole you just cheat wah wah wah. You sound like a whiny girl when you do that.

Jealous of UCF...HA! I am sorry but I like to hold my head up high. Id have walked away from my program after the second round of cheating and killing a player.
Integrity matters to me. Id rather never win the big game then have my school tarnished by that mans actions but you go ahead and be proud. It shows your level of class.

Lucky for you USF isn't gonna win the "big game" for a long time.
What is your "big game"?
I'm guessing the Meineke Car Care Bowl?

Their big game was the mascot challenge.

(02-15-2015 03:08 PM)Mike the Knight Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 02:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:05 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 10:09 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 12:44 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Paper recruiting champions. Congratulations. Still hasn't proven a damn thing on the field.

Id beg to differ. Our recruiting in all sports has gotten significantly better since we upgraded basically everything.
Weve already seen dividends in Womens Basketball and Mens soccer, which both have had long term stable coaching.

Now we have brand new Baseball, Basketball and 2nd year football. Given a little more time, I think those coaches develop the new talent and do very well with it.

and for all the UCiF fans making jokes about football... just take a look what Oliar did his first two years in a much easier conference. It took him time too. I still believe in Taggart and hope he gets at least two years. Skippy killed the program. It cant be fixed over night.

Lol it just shows how bitter you are every time you call him oliar. It's obvi you're jealous of our success. And just don't even start with the whole you just cheat wah wah wah. You sound like a whiny girl when you do that.

Jealous of UCF...HA! I am sorry but I like to hold my head up high. Id have walked away from my program after the second round of cheating and killing a player.
Integrity matters to me. Id rather never win the big game then have my school tarnished by that mans actions but you go ahead and be proud. It shows your level of class.

"Killing a player"..really? Seems you guys suffered a tragic death of one of your players during a workout too back in 2007. But of course, being the tool you are, you like to take the below the belt shot regarding our tragedy...

We had a player who died in the weight room when he was training. It was his workout that he was doing and didn't have coaches directing him to work harder.

Oliar was physically on the field and saw the kid fall to his knees, not once, not twice but three times and yet he continued to ridicule the kid and yell for him to work harder.

This is why UCF was found guilt and to be culpably negligent and there was never any charges or discussion of charges at USF.

When you are found guilty, it is considered "killing a player". No matter how UCiF fans try to spin it, the courts have ruled and all I am doing is saying what they did. Dont like it? Take it up with the US court system.

and lastly... you say Tragedy. A tragedy is a mistake or accident. This was not either of those, otherwise the court would have ruled different. Check your history and read a little deeper. This isnt the first time Oliar has pushed a kid well beyond where he should have.... hell, this isnt even the first school hes done it at.

(02-15-2015 02:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:05 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 10:09 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 12:44 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Paper recruiting champions. Congratulations. Still hasn't proven a damn thing on the field.

Id beg to differ. Our recruiting in all sports has gotten significantly better since we upgraded basically everything.
Weve already seen dividends in Womens Basketball and Mens soccer, which both have had long term stable coaching.

Now we have brand new Baseball, Basketball and 2nd year football. Given a little more time, I think those coaches develop the new talent and do very well with it.

and for all the UCiF fans making jokes about football... just take a look what Oliar did his first two years in a much easier conference. It took him time too. I still believe in Taggart and hope he gets at least two years. Skippy killed the program. It cant be fixed over night.

Lol it just shows how bitter you are every time you call him oliar. It's obvi you're jealous of our success. And just don't even start with the whole you just cheat wah wah wah. You sound like a whiny girl when you do that.

Jealous of UCF...HA! I am sorry but I like to hold my head up high. Id have walked away from my program after the second round of cheating and killing a player.
Integrity matters to me. Id rather never win the big game then have my school tarnished by that mans actions but you go ahead and be proud. It shows your level of class.

Again here comes the whining. We did a few minor things and served the time for it. Its in the past get over it. If you knew anything about the details or inside information on what actually happened you'd realize how stupid you sound. But arguing with you is a lost cause because you'd rather plug your earns and keep yelling "but UCF cheated". Maybe if usif was successful we would have something else to argue about lol

Killing a kid, having your AD cheat is minor. Lol, your such a ******* homer. pointless debating someone who cant smell their own ****.

(02-15-2015 03:22 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 03:08 PM)Mike the Knight Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 02:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:05 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 10:09 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Id beg to differ. Our recruiting in all sports has gotten significantly better since we upgraded basically everything.
Weve already seen dividends in Womens Basketball and Mens soccer, which both have had long term stable coaching.

Now we have brand new Baseball, Basketball and 2nd year football. Given a little more time, I think those coaches develop the new talent and do very well with it.

and for all the UCiF fans making jokes about football... just take a look what Oliar did his first two years in a much easier conference. It took him time too. I still believe in Taggart and hope he gets at least two years. Skippy killed the program. It cant be fixed over night.

Lol it just shows how bitter you are every time you call him oliar. It's obvi you're jealous of our success. And just don't even start with the whole you just cheat wah wah wah. You sound like a whiny girl when you do that.

Jealous of UCF...HA! I am sorry but I like to hold my head up high. Id have walked away from my program after the second round of cheating and killing a player.
Integrity matters to me. Id rather never win the big game then have my school tarnished by that mans actions but you go ahead and be proud. It shows your level of class.

"Killing a player"..really? Seems you guys suffered a tragic death of one of your players during a workout too back in 2007. But of course, being the tool you are, you like to take the below the belt shot regarding our tragedy...

We had a player who died in the weight room when he was training. It was his workout that he was doing and didn't have coaches directing him to work harder.

Oliar was physically on the field and saw the kid fall to his knees, not once, not twice but three times and yet he continued to ridicule the kid and yell for him to work harder.

This is why UCF was found guilt and to be culpably negligent and there was never any charges or discussion of charges at USF.

When you are found guilty, it is considered "killing a player". No matter how UCiF fans try to spin it, the courts have ruled and all I am doing is saying what they did. Dont like it? Take it up with the US court system.

Whatever man. Seems to me the end result is two tragic deaths. Sorry I don't see it as an opportunity to take shots at my schools rival.

And the continued use of "if" with UCF's name is pretty lame. Given that we accomplished something in our 1 year in a BCS Conference that you couldn't do in your 10 or whatever it was...

(02-15-2015 03:29 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Killing a kid, having your AD cheat is minor. Lol, your such a ******* homer. pointless debating someone who cant smell their own ****.

Again, he didn't kill anyone it was a really tragic situation that you know nothing about. Do you consider bobby bowden a murderer because the same thing happened at fsu a while back? We fired the AD. Get over it. Remember when usf used to talk smack about athletics (not women's basketball) lol. Now its just this whiny stuff about big bad mean old O'Leary. And you forget that Leavitt choked out and punched a player twice in the face but I'm guessing you still like him. O'Leary was never cited in any NCAA investigation it was the AD and an assistant coach and both were fired immediately. No recruit in question ever played for us.

(02-15-2015 03:30 PM)Mike the Knight Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 03:22 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 03:08 PM)Mike the Knight Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 02:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:05 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  Lol it just shows how bitter you are every time you call him oliar. It's obvi you're jealous of our success. And just don't even start with the whole you just cheat wah wah wah. You sound like a whiny girl when you do that.

Jealous of UCF...HA! I am sorry but I like to hold my head up high. Id have walked away from my program after the second round of cheating and killing a player.
Integrity matters to me. Id rather never win the big game then have my school tarnished by that mans actions but you go ahead and be proud. It shows your level of class.

"Killing a player"..really? Seems you guys suffered a tragic death of one of your players during a workout too back in 2007. But of course, being the tool you are, you like to take the below the belt shot regarding our tragedy...

We had a player who died in the weight room when he was training. It was his workout that he was doing and didn't have coaches directing him to work harder.

Oliar was physically on the field and saw the kid fall to his knees, not once, not twice but three times and yet he continued to ridicule the kid and yell for him to work harder.

This is why UCF was found guilt and to be culpably negligent and there was never any charges or discussion of charges at USF.

When you are found guilty, it is considered "killing a player". No matter how UCiF fans try to spin it, the courts have ruled and all I am doing is saying what they did. Dont like it? Take it up with the US court system.

Whatever man. Seems to me the end result is two tragic deaths. Sorry I don't see it as an opportunity to take shots at my schools rival.

And the continued use of "if" with UCF's name is pretty lame. Given that we accomplished something in our 1 year in a BCS Conference that you couldn't do in your 10 or whatever it was...

Hes grasping at straws trying to use anything he can to take a shot at UCF because he is butthurt about our sucess. Thats just not an appropriate topic to talk about like that imo. Mostly because he doesn't know anything about what happened other than what he's read in some newspaper lol.

But he says "atleast our program can hold our head up high". Yeah right. McNeese state has something to say about that. And their coach assaulted a player lol but other than when he calls out O'Leary no one brings that up

(02-15-2015 03:30 PM)Mike the Knight Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 03:22 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 03:08 PM)Mike the Knight Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 02:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:05 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  Lol it just shows how bitter you are every time you call him oliar. It's obvi you're jealous of our success. And just don't even start with the whole you just cheat wah wah wah. You sound like a whiny girl when you do that.

Jealous of UCF...HA! I am sorry but I like to hold my head up high. Id have walked away from my program after the second round of cheating and killing a player.
Integrity matters to me. Id rather never win the big game then have my school tarnished by that mans actions but you go ahead and be proud. It shows your level of class.

"Killing a player"..really? Seems you guys suffered a tragic death of one of your players during a workout too back in 2007. But of course, being the tool you are, you like to take the below the belt shot regarding our tragedy...

We had a player who died in the weight room when he was training. It was his workout that he was doing and didn't have coaches directing him to work harder.

Oliar was physically on the field and saw the kid fall to his knees, not once, not twice but three times and yet he continued to ridicule the kid and yell for him to work harder.

This is why UCF was found guilt and to be culpably negligent and there was never any charges or discussion of charges at USF.

When you are found guilty, it is considered "killing a player". No matter how UCiF fans try to spin it, the courts have ruled and all I am doing is saying what they did. Dont like it? Take it up with the US court system.

Whatever man. Seems to me the end result is two tragic deaths. Sorry I don't see it as an opportunity to take shots at my schools rival.

And the continued use of "if" with UCF's name is pretty lame. Given that we accomplished something in our 1 year in a BCS Conference that you couldn't do in your 10 or whatever it was...

I honestly have like you on this board, but you cannot honestly say the two are anywhere NEAR the same. UCF was found guilty in court... that doesnt happen easily. USF wasnt even looked at since no coaches had any role.
In one situation you have a coach verbally abusing a player and pushing him till he died.
The other, he had a medical condition and no coach had any role in it. A simple heart defect.

Can you really tell me those are the same?

and I wouldnt be talking about it, if it wasnt for some of your fans attempting to defend your coach. The man has a history of abuse, a history of lying... just be cool with what it is and dont defend it and people will leave it alone. It only becomes an issue when people try to act like hes a saint. The man is a scumbag. He made UCF win but at what cost?

UCF killed a player? I thought that happened at Baylor?

(02-15-2015 03:34 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 03:29 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Killing a kid, having your AD cheat is minor. Lol, your such a ******* homer. pointless debating someone who cant smell their own ****.

Again, he didn't kill anyone it was a really tragic situation that you know nothing about. Do you consider bobby bowden a murderer because the same thing happened at fsu a while back? We fired the AD. Get over it. Remember when usf used to talk smack about athletics (not women's basketball) lol. Now its just this whiny stuff about big bad mean old O'Leary. And you forget that Leavitt choked out and punched a player twice in the face but I'm guessing you still like him. O'Leary was never cited in any NCAA investigation it was the AD and an assistant coach and both were fired immediately. No recruit in question ever played for us.

I lived in Orlando when this went down. 1/4 mile from campus in the Ashington Park subdivision and worked on the campus at the UBC... I am fully aware of what went down... or I can read the court testimony.

You can say all you want BUT A COURT FOUND UCF GUILTY. No way around it. Your coach was found to have been negligent and responsible for the death of an athlete.

Tap dance all you want. He did it. No way of arguing anything else because ALL the proof is on my side.

(02-15-2015 03:38 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  UCF killed a player? I thought that happened at Baylor?

No, it was SMU and it was hookers.

(02-15-2015 03:38 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  UCF killed a player? I thought that happened at Baylor?

It's happened at few different schools. Its mostly associated with a rare hearth condition called sickle cell anemia which causes the blood to clot when under physical stress like a football offseason workout. Its always very sad when something like it happens.

I don't know if that other guy has ever been to a football practice but coaches are constantly yelling at player to push themselves. In our case the kids parents didn't even know about the condition. O'Leary didn't know about it either.

(02-15-2015 03:37 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 03:30 PM)Mike the Knight Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 03:22 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 03:08 PM)Mike the Knight Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 02:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Jealous of UCF...HA! I am sorry but I like to hold my head up high. Id have walked away from my program after the second round of cheating and killing a player.
Integrity matters to me. Id rather never win the big game then have my school tarnished by that mans actions but you go ahead and be proud. It shows your level of class.

"Killing a player"..really? Seems you guys suffered a tragic death of one of your players during a workout too back in 2007. But of course, being the tool you are, you like to take the below the belt shot regarding our tragedy...

We had a player who died in the weight room when he was training. It was his workout that he was doing and didn't have coaches directing him to work harder.

Oliar was physically on the field and saw the kid fall to his knees, not once, not twice but three times and yet he continued to ridicule the kid and yell for him to work harder.

This is why UCF was found guilt and to be culpably negligent and there was never any charges or discussion of charges at USF.

When you are found guilty, it is considered "killing a player". No matter how UCiF fans try to spin it, the courts have ruled and all I am doing is saying what they did. Dont like it? Take it up with the US court system.

Whatever man. Seems to me the end result is two tragic deaths. Sorry I don't see it as an opportunity to take shots at my schools rival.

And the continued use of "if" with UCF's name is pretty lame. Given that we accomplished something in our 1 year in a BCS Conference that you couldn't do in your 10 or whatever it was...

I honestly have like you on this board, but you cannot honestly say the two are anywhere NEAR the same. UCF was found guilty in court... that doesnt happen easily. USF wasnt even looked at since no coaches had any role.
In one situation you have a coach verbally abusing a player and pushing him till he died.
The other, he had a medical condition and no coach had any role in it. A simple heart defect.

Can you really tell me those are the same?

and I wouldnt be talking about it, if it wasnt for some of your fans attempting to defend your coach. The man has a history of abuse, a history of lying... just be cool with what it is and dont defend it and people will leave it alone. It only becomes an issue when people try to act like hes a saint. The man is a scumbag. He made UCF win but at what cost?

Oh he's no saint, but his resume issue cost him his dream job.

As for the player deaths, all I know 100% is that we both lost someone tragically. I wasn't there when Plancher collapsed and ultimately died. I've heard many stories that paint a different picture of what happened that day and I know how the court ruled, but that doesn't mean they are correct either.

And talking to numerous players families over the years, O'Leary is tough but he turns out men that are ready for the real world and the families typically respect the hell out of O'Leary.

I get the dislike for my school, I just don't see why you continue to take it to such a dark place?

(02-15-2015 03:43 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 03:38 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  UCF killed a player? I thought that happened at Baylor?

It's happened at few different schools. Its mostly associated with a rare hearth condition called sickle cell anemia which causes the blood to clot when under physical stress like a football offseason workout. Its always very sad when something like it happens.

I don't know if that other guy has ever been to a football practice but coaches are constantly yelling at player to push themselves. In our case the kids parents didn't even know about the condition. O'Leary didn't know about it either.

Yep, several schools indeed. How many were found guilty in court?


maybe we should talk about Brandon Davis. His initial statements when he went to the hospital were interesting. Amazing how quick they got him to shut up.

(02-15-2015 03:22 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 03:08 PM)Mike the Knight Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 02:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:05 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 10:09 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Id beg to differ. Our recruiting in all sports has gotten significantly better since we upgraded basically everything.
Weve already seen dividends in Womens Basketball and Mens soccer, which both have had long term stable coaching.

Now we have brand new Baseball, Basketball and 2nd year football. Given a little more time, I think those coaches develop the new talent and do very well with it.

and for all the UCiF fans making jokes about football... just take a look what Oliar did his first two years in a much easier conference. It took him time too. I still believe in Taggart and hope he gets at least two years. Skippy killed the program. It cant be fixed over night.

Lol it just shows how bitter you are every time you call him oliar. It's obvi you're jealous of our success. And just don't even start with the whole you just cheat wah wah wah. You sound like a whiny girl when you do that.

Jealous of UCF...HA! I am sorry but I like to hold my head up high. Id have walked away from my program after the second round of cheating and killing a player.
Integrity matters to me. Id rather never win the big game then have my school tarnished by that mans actions but you go ahead and be proud. It shows your level of class.

"Killing a player"..really? Seems you guys suffered a tragic death of one of your players during a workout too back in 2007. But of course, being the tool you are, you like to take the below the belt shot regarding our tragedy...

We had a player who died in the weight room when he was training. It was his workout that he was doing and didn't have coaches directing him to work harder.

Oliar was physically on the field and saw the kid fall to his knees, not once, not twice but three times and yet he continued to ridicule the kid and yell for him to work harder.

This is why UCF was found guilt and to be culpably negligent and there was never any charges or discussion of charges at USF.

When you are found guilty, it is considered "killing a player". No matter how UCiF fans try to spin it, the courts have ruled and all I am doing is saying what they did. Dont like it? Take it up with the US court system.

and lastly... you say Tragedy. A tragedy is a mistake or accident. This was not either of those, otherwise the court would have ruled different. Check your history and read a little deeper. This isnt the first time Oliar has pushed a kid well beyond where he should have.... hell, this isnt even the first school hes done it at.

You talk about it like the court found him guilty of murder. It is not murder because no one killed anyone. It's a tragic situation. Just leave it alone. Why don't you argue about usf sports instead? Oh...