(02-09-2015 02:14 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:07 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 01:30 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Typical response from one of the clueless.
Did you even read the OP?

What the OP said is ridiculous. If you want a poll then poll the real fans. The hardcore people and anyone else who has a clue about basketball that follows the team. Poll the opposing coaches while your at it too.
Poll Alan Graf a see what he says. He and his thick wallet buddies will do the final "polling."

The real fans who should be polled are those who buy season tickets AND pay the per seat donation. It us what keeps Tiger BB afloat. Then weigh those counts on a point system by amount and length of donation. Real supporters would voice their opinion.

Not saying to ignore others but I know too many graduates of other schools who watch Tiger BB religiously but don't put a dime into program. It would be interesting to see how those two groups differ in their opinion.

Interesting.
Perhaps you should suggest that idea to someone who counts.

I have a feeling that the big money guys will openly discuss their point of view and it will be weighted accordingly. The middle class Tiger fans will be part of the money poll that they participate in (as 1125 said, tickets and scholarship foundations) and I assume that the ebbs and flows of attendance and giving will be weighed that way.

I certainly don't know if mt.org users are out of touch, but I know that the people whose views matter in real life will be accorded due respect and those that matter less will be given less influence.

Let's be clear, I am firmly in the second camp and I can't imagine that the people at the AD's office would care a lick what I think. I'm an architect for god's sake, not an investment banker, shaking my wallet will likely just net you coins

(02-09-2015 02:14 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:07 AM)450bench Wrote:  Poll Alan Graf a see what he says. He and his thick wallet buddies will do the final "polling."

The real fans who should be polled are those who buy season tickets AND pay the per seat donation. It us what keeps Tiger BB afloat. Then weigh those counts on a point system by amount and length of donation. Real supporters would voice their opinion.

Money talks. A guy that gives a million is worth the opinion of an army of guys who give far, far less.

If I say the sky is blue and Alan Graf says it's purple, well damned if it isn't actually purple...

(02-09-2015 02:10 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:07 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 01:30 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Typical response from one of the clueless.
Did you even read the OP?

What the OP said is ridiculous. If you want a poll then poll the real fans. The hardcore people and anyone else who has a clue about basketball that follows the team. Poll the opposing coaches while your at it too.
Poll Alan Graf a see what he says. He and his thick wallet buddies will do the final "polling."

Why don't you do that, instead of acting like you know the whole truth.

I know that josh is one of my the worst x and o coaches at this level that I've ever seen. And I know that he doesn't have the ability to change that because if he did he would have already done it. I know his success rate against quality competition is beyond horrible. I also know he's divided the fan base to the point of anger. Lastly, I know he's sinking the program to depths that are going to take years to overcome and many, like me, simply want to stop that speeding locomotive before it's too late.

(02-09-2015 02:31 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:10 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:07 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 01:30 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Typical response from one of the clueless.
Did you even read the OP?

What the OP said is ridiculous. If you want a poll then poll the real fans. The hardcore people and anyone else who has a clue about basketball that follows the team. Poll the opposing coaches while your at it too.
Poll Alan Graf a see what he says. He and his thick wallet buddies will do the final "polling."

Why don't you do that, instead of acting like you know the whole truth.

I know that josh is one of my the worst x and o coaches at this level that I've ever seen. And I know that he doesn't have the ability to change that because if he did he would have already done it. I know his success rate against quality competition is beyond horrible. I also know he's divided the fan base to the point of anger. Lastly, I know he's sinking the program to depths that are going to take years to overcome and many, like me, simply want to stop that speeding locomotive before it's too late.

And you know all these things how?

Just because you're unhappy?

(02-09-2015 02:31 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:10 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:07 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 01:30 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Typical response from one of the clueless.
Did you even read the OP?

What the OP said is ridiculous. If you want a poll then poll the real fans. The hardcore people and anyone else who has a clue about basketball that follows the team. Poll the opposing coaches while your at it too.
Poll Alan Graf a see what he says. He and his thick wallet buddies will do the final "polling."

Why don't you do that, instead of acting like you know the whole truth.

I know that josh is one of my the worst x and o coaches at this level that I've ever seen. And I know that he doesn't have the ability to change that because if he did he would have already done it. I know his success rate against quality competition is beyond horrible. I also know he's divided the fan base to the point of anger. Lastly, I know he's sinking the program to depths that are going to take years to overcome and many, like me, simply want to stop that speeding locomotive before it's too late.

I don't know if he is one of the worst X/O coaches I've seen all time, but will grant he is below average there.

I certainly don't know if he can or can't fix that. I would be willing to bet work ethic and intelligence actually that he can, but I am not sure it will happen in time for him to succeed here.

His success rate against top competition is disappointing and below average, but horrible, imo, seems a bit harsh.

If he leaves, we're improved in year two with the correct hire... and far worse with a worse one (i.e. Tic Price type).

I'm not saying Pastner is aces, I am saying that you might be overstating it a bit. But, as always, my opinion, which is worth VERY little in real currency...

Carry on mate.

How did I know Tiger Greg would be dancing a jig on this thread before I opened it?

All of this is just a matter of opinion of course. What's not a matter of opinion is his record against quality competition and his complete lack of ability to adjust or make in game changes. And those things go hand in hand. There is no evidence to support either of those things changing. His head scratching decisions add up and are clearly evident to fans and players and all those in between.
He has placed himself in a very tough spot but his massive income provides quite a soft landing.
The program needs a change. Soon.

(02-09-2015 02:45 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  How did I know Tiger Greg would be dancing a jig on this thread before I opened it?

You funny.

(02-09-2015 02:48 AM)450bench Wrote:  All of this is just a matter of opinion of course. What's not a matter of opinion is his record against quality competition and his complete lack of ability to adjust or make in game changes. And those things go hand in hand. There is no evidence to support either of those things changing. His head scratching decisions add up and are clearly evident to fans and players and all those in between.
He has placed himself in a very tough spot but his massive income provides quite a soft landing.
The program needs a change. Soon.

Almost everything in this post is opinion.

(02-09-2015 02:51 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:48 AM)450bench Wrote:  All of this is just a matter of opinion of course. What's not a matter of opinion is his record against quality competition and his complete lack of ability to adjust or make in game changes. And those things go hand in hand. There is no evidence to support either of those things changing. His head scratching decisions add up and are clearly evident to fans and players and all those in between.
He has placed himself in a very tough spot but his massive income provides quite a soft landing.
The program needs a change. Soon.

Almost everything in this post is opinion.

Really?
His record against teams with a pulse is horrendous - fact
You think he makes changes/adjustments on the court? - wrong
Is there any evidence that he will make changes or will beat teams of equal or better talent - no
Is he second guessed by the fans and even his own players - yes, see transfers, this message board and the mile long suspended list.
Is he in a tough spot and facing serious pressure and heat? Absolutely
Will he ever have to work again if he quits or gets fired? Probably not

Those aren't just opinions, they are realities.

(02-09-2015 03:11 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:51 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:48 AM)450bench Wrote:  All of this is just a matter of opinion of course. What's not a matter of opinion is his record against quality competition and his complete lack of ability to adjust or make in game changes. And those things go hand in hand. There is no evidence to support either of those things changing. His head scratching decisions add up and are clearly evident to fans and players and all those in between.
He has placed himself in a very tough spot but his massive income provides quite a soft landing.
The program needs a change. Soon.

Almost everything in this post is opinion.

Really?
His record against teams with a pulse is horrendous - fact
You think he makes changes/adjustments on the court? - wrong
Is there any evidence that he will make changes or will beat teams of equal or better talent - no
Is he second guessed by the fans and even his own players - yes, see transfers, this message board and the mile long suspended list.
Is he in a tough spot and facing serious pressure and heat? Absolutely
Will he ever have to work again if he quits or gets fired? Probably not

Those aren't just opinions, they are realities.

Still with a list of opinions that you deem facts.

Some of them I actually agree with, but that's just my opinion.

(02-09-2015 03:14 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:11 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:51 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 02:48 AM)450bench Wrote:  All of this is just a matter of opinion of course. What's not a matter of opinion is his record against quality competition and his complete lack of ability to adjust or make in game changes. And those things go hand in hand. There is no evidence to support either of those things changing. His head scratching decisions add up and are clearly evident to fans and players and all those in between.
He has placed himself in a very tough spot but his massive income provides quite a soft landing.
The program needs a change. Soon.

Almost everything in this post is opinion.

Really?
His record against teams with a pulse is horrendous - fact
You think he makes changes/adjustments on the court? - wrong
Is there any evidence that he will make changes or will beat teams of equal or better talent - no
Is he second guessed by the fans and even his own players - yes, see transfers, this message board and the mile long suspended list.
Is he in a tough spot and facing serious pressure and heat? Absolutely
Will he ever have to work again if he quits or gets fired? Probably not

Those aren't just opinions, they are realities.

Still with a list of opinions that you deem facts.

Some of them I actually agree with, but that's just my opinion.

Which of those points are you disputing as not factual?

All of them beside the fact that he won't really have to work again, although I suspect that he will.

(02-09-2015 03:20 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  All of them beside the fact that he won't really have to work again, although I suspect that he will.

So you think his record is good against quality competition, you think he makes adjustments in games, you don't think he gets second guessed by anybody and you don't think he's put himself in a tough spot. BUT you agree that he won't have to work again but he probably will?

If that's the case then all I can say is WOW.

(02-09-2015 03:24 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:20 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  All of them beside the fact that he won't really have to work again, although I suspect that he will.

So you think his record is good against quality competition, you think he makes adjustments in games, you don't think he gets second guessed by anybody and you don't think he's put himself in a tough spot. BUT you agree that he won't have to work again but he probably will?

If that's the case then all I can say is WOW.

I didn't say any of that. You did.

I simply think you're overstating the problems.

(02-09-2015 03:27 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:24 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:20 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  All of them beside the fact that he won't really have to work again, although I suspect that he will.

So you think his record is good against quality competition, you think he makes adjustments in games, you don't think he gets second guessed by anybody and you don't think he's put himself in a tough spot. BUT you agree that he won't have to work again but he probably will?

If that's the case then all I can say is WOW.

I didn't say any of that. You did.

I simply think you're overstating the problems.

You said you didn't agree with any of those points other than the fact that Josh probably wouldn't have to work again BUT that he probably would.

(02-09-2015 03:36 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:27 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:24 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:20 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  All of them beside the fact that he won't really have to work again, although I suspect that he will.

So you think his record is good against quality competition, you think he makes adjustments in games, you don't think he gets second guessed by anybody and you don't think he's put himself in a tough spot. BUT you agree that he won't have to work again but he probably will?

If that's the case then all I can say is WOW.

I didn't say any of that. You did.

I simply think you're overstating the problems.

You said you didn't agree with any of those points other than the fact that Josh probably wouldn't have to work again BUT that he probably would.

Apparently you have a problem with reading skills.

I said before Thanksgiving if Josh is our HC next season I’m gone. I learned a good hard lesson supporting football until the end while the money boys allowed it to rot. Not this time.

Think it’s time to join the rest of my buds (who were part of the initial Tiger supporters in my generation) and get off this train before it completely jumps the tracks.

Time for the “Me” generation to do their thing with their “Mine” coach.

(02-09-2015 03:40 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:36 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:27 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:24 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:20 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  All of them beside the fact that he won't really have to work again, although I suspect that he will.

So you think his record is good against quality competition, you think he makes adjustments in games, you don't think he gets second guessed by anybody and you don't think he's put himself in a tough spot. BUT you agree that he won't have to work again but he probably will?

If that's the case then all I can say is WOW.

I didn't say any of that. You did.

I simply think you're overstating the problems.

You said you didn't agree with any of those points other than the fact that Josh probably wouldn't have to work again BUT that he probably would.

Apparently you have a problem with reading skills.

Then you do agree with those points?