(02-01-2015 12:47 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  People need to realize something like this will probably happen in the future. All it will take is one lawsuit of schools threatening Anti-Trust by not allowing other schools a chance move up or create a new conference. I could see making the rule putting the teams are not eligible for the CFP until the next contract but are allowed bowls and other recognition after the traditional FCS move up.

Ironically, I see the P5 for it and the G5 against it. Because the financial impact would be harder on the G5. While the P5 expands inventory for home only series and forcing G5 to less H/H series.

Or you can solve the "new conference" dilemma by having the Big West revive football . After all, it was once an FBS conference so technically it wouldn't be new.

Cal Poly, UC Davis and say, Portland State all move up to join Hawaii, NMSU, Idaho and two MW teams (let's say Utah State and either SJSU or Nevada).

Voila, your "new" western FBS conference.

(02-01-2015 02:07 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Alabama would drop football before they ever played @ Abilene Christian.

Incarnate Word is another story, though.

ACU would move its "home" game to Jerry's World



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I could see C-USA splitting Big East-style by 2025:

West:
North Texas/UTEP
Rice/UTSA
New Mexico/Colorado State
Louisiana Tech/Southern Miss
Arkansas State/Missouri State*
Illinois State*/Wichita State*

At this point Wichita State pretty much had to start a football program to maintain any relevance nationally.

East
WKU/MTSU
FAU/FIU
Charlotte/Marshall
UAB/Georgia State
Old Dominion/James Madison*
Delaware*/Towson*

The CAA-that-never-was finally forms. Towson is a bit of a long shot right now, but there will be interest in getting a team in Maryland. UMass could work here if they aren't in the American.



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(02-02-2015 08:56 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I could see C-USA splitting Big East-style by 2025:

West:
North Texas/UTEP
Rice/UTSA
New Mexico/Colorado State
Louisiana Tech/Southern Miss
Arkansas State/Missouri State*
Illinois State*/Wichita State*

At this point Wichita State pretty much had to start a football program to maintain any relevance nationally.

East
WKU/MTSU
FAU/FIU
Charlotte/Marshall
UAB/Georgia State
Old Dominion/James Madison*
Delaware*/Towson*

The CAA-that-never-was finally forms. Towson is a bit of a long shot right now, but there will be interest in getting a team in Maryland. UMass could work here if they aren't in the American.



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Too funny

(02-02-2015 12:35 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 12:47 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  People need to realize something like this will probably happen in the future. All it will take is one lawsuit of schools threatening Anti-Trust by not allowing other schools a chance move up or create a new conference. I could see making the rule putting the teams are not eligible for the CFP until the next contract but are allowed bowls and other recognition after the traditional FCS move up.

Ironically, I see the P5 for it and the G5 against it. Because the financial impact would be harder on the G5. While the P5 expands inventory for home only series and forcing G5 to less H/H series.

Or you can solve the "new conference" dilemma by having the Big West revive football . After all, it was once an FBS conference so technically it wouldn't be new.

Cal Poly, UC Davis and say, Portland State all move up to join Hawaii, NMSU, Idaho and two MW teams (let's say Utah State and either SJSU or Nevada).

Voila, your "new" western FBS conference.

yea cause Utah State and Nevada would be all over that invite

(02-03-2015 01:16 AM)billings Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 12:35 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 12:47 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  People need to realize something like this will probably happen in the future. All it will take is one lawsuit of schools threatening Anti-Trust by not allowing other schools a chance move up or create a new conference. I could see making the rule putting the teams are not eligible for the CFP until the next contract but are allowed bowls and other recognition after the traditional FCS move up.

Ironically, I see the P5 for it and the G5 against it. Because the financial impact would be harder on the G5. While the P5 expands inventory for home only series and forcing G5 to less H/H series.

Or you can solve the "new conference" dilemma by having the Big West revive football . After all, it was once an FBS conference so technically it wouldn't be new.

Cal Poly, UC Davis and say, Portland State all move up to join Hawaii, NMSU, Idaho and two MW teams (let's say Utah State and either SJSU or Nevada).

Voila, your "new" western FBS conference.

yea cause Utah State and Nevada would be all over that invite

You won't need both, just one since SJSU is a shoe-in. Utah State was in the BW for almost 30 years so they make as good a candidate for member #8 as any.

A Big West that returns to the FBS ranks would solve some major representation issues this side of St. Louis, even though it would rank as the lowest G5 conference. And as a bonus, no lawsuits of any kind would be needed to force the creation of this "new" conference as it was once in the FBS ranks before.

or to make things really simple, billings... the entire MW western division rejoins the BW with Cal Poly and UCD moving up and gives it 8 members. The MW adds Idaho and NMSU in response to keep its FBS status with 8 members as well.

Of course, that won't happen anytime soon but the logistics make sense more than carving out something "new". Think of the stipends issue going forward and the reduction in travel costs the MW western teams will earn by rejoining the Big West. You'd have five California FBS teams, two in Nevada and Hawaii. Minus a trip every other year to the Islands, that's about as compact as a conference can get.

(02-03-2015 04:10 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  or to make things really simple, billings... the entire MW western division rejoins the BW with Cal Poly and UCD moving up and gives it 8 members. The MW adds Idaho and NMSU in response to keep its FBS status with 8 members as well.

Of course, that won't happen anytime soon but the logistics make sense more than carving out something "new". Think of the stipends issue going forward and the reduction in travel costs the MW western teams will earn by rejoining the Big West. You'd have five California FBS teams, two in Nevada I and Hawaii. Minus a trip every other year to the Islands, that's about as compact as a conference can get.

Given the three Cal State campuses pretty much have to support Cal Poly's attempt to join, I could see the Mountain West adding them even without splitting. The Mountain Division cuts down on trips to Hawaii that way, and even if Boise State is in the opposite division, it could give them an extra conference game in California. Then of course, some of California's smaller markets are still pretty large.

If you don't need divisions, you can pretty much take care of everyone - Boise gets their California games, the old WAC gang plays each other, etc.


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(02-01-2015 12:05 AM)msu_bears Wrote:  since we are doing dumb ideas, I'll throw this one out there. It's all about TV markets yo...

UMASS (Boston, New England)
Army (National following, New York City/State)
Navy (National following, Washington DC, Baltimore)
Temple (Philadelphia)
Georgia State (Atlanta)
Illinois State (Chicago)
Missouri State (Kansas City, St. Louis)
Rice (Houston, Texas)

Other than the fact that that conference is all over the place it seems okay. That would okay, especially since this would mean that ISU and MSU would have moved up to the FBS.

(02-01-2015 12:52 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Right they are sitting at 14 with 1 private school included.

Replace EMU with Illinois State and then you have a nice G5 football conference full of rivalries.

I think it would be hard to break up the directional Michigan schools, but I would like ISU to be in a conference like that. With JMU, Liberty, and Buffalo that could be difficult on travel.

(02-01-2015 12:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I was talking more about geographical entities than I was public vs private. The Big Ten and MAC often work in Home/Away/Home relationships. That means Big Ten teams visit once. Those two locations would be two good visit locations for Big Ten teams, especially since Maryland and Rutgers are now part of The Big Ten.

There is a very strong working relationship between the two conferences. So that type of move would make sense. I don't know about any potential removal of a team. I will admit I don't know enough about that to make a comment in either direction. My internal opinion is that they wouldn't do it despite the strong argument that could be made that lessening the presence in Michigan but I am not sure doubling up in Illinois is the best possible move if you are going to resort to such drastic measures such as removing EMU.

I would feel bad for those folks and I would imagine there are some good relationships between the folks of CMU, WMU and EMU. They are all pretty much in the same boat and in a way, voting to kick one of them out then kind of feels like a blow to them all or a potential future blow. Top that off with the worry that would then be felt by the Ohio schools. There are more Ohio schools than there are Michigan schools. I just don't see how a vote to remove EMU could happen due to the Ohio/Michigan centered nature of the conference.

I would say get rid of Liberty and JMU and look for one in the corridor of schools along the way. Youngstown State?

(02-02-2015 08:56 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I could see C-USA splitting Big East-style by 2025:

West:
North Texas/UTEP
Rice/UTSA
New Mexico/Colorado State
Louisiana Tech/Southern Miss
Arkansas State/Missouri State*
Illinois State*/Wichita State*

At this point Wichita State pretty much had to start a football program to maintain any relevance nationally.

East
WKU/MTSU
FAU/FIU
Charlotte/Marshall
UAB/Georgia State
Old Dominion/James Madison*
Delaware*/Towson*

The CAA-that-never-was finally forms. Towson is a bit of a long shot right now, but there will be interest in getting a team in Maryland. UMass could work here if they aren't in the American.

Never say never, but Wichita starting up a football program again doesn't sound very probable.

Those are some fine teams, and it really encompasses the idea of C-USA being all over, but the travelling would be horrible.

UMass
Buffalo
Army
Temple
James Madison
Marshall
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
FIU

(02-03-2015 08:00 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UMass
Buffalo
Army
Temple
James Madison
Marshall
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
FIU

East Carolina
Charlotte
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Old Dominion
Liberty
Army
Marshal
James Madison

(02-03-2015 07:16 AM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 12:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I was talking more about geographical entities than I was public vs private. The Big Ten and MAC often work in Home/Away/Home relationships. That means Big Ten teams visit once. Those two locations would be two good visit locations for Big Ten teams, especially since Maryland and Rutgers are now part of The Big Ten.

There is a very strong working relationship between the two conferences. So that type of move would make sense. I don't know about any potential removal of a team. I will admit I don't know enough about that to make a comment in either direction. My internal opinion is that they wouldn't do it despite the strong argument that could be made that lessening the presence in Michigan but I am not sure doubling up in Illinois is the best possible move if you are going to resort to such drastic measures such as removing EMU.

I would feel bad for those folks and I would imagine there are some good relationships between the folks of CMU, WMU and EMU. They are all pretty much in the same boat and in a way, voting to kick one of them out then kind of feels like a blow to them all or a potential future blow. Top that off with the worry that would then be felt by the Ohio schools. There are more Ohio schools than there are Michigan schools. I just don't see how a vote to remove EMU could happen due to the Ohio/Michigan centered nature of the conference.

I would say get rid of Liberty and JMU and look for one in the corridor of schools along the way. Youngstown State?

Why, oh why would you think that the MAC would want to add a seventh university in Ohio?

(02-03-2015 01:08 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  East Carolina
Charlotte
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Old Dominion
Liberty
Army
Marshal
James Madison

I guess Old Dominion should just take our basketball program behind the back of the proverbial house make a quick end of it. I'm sure ECU would feel the same way about their football program should they ever have the misfortune of ending up in a conference like proposed above.

These threads are great. After reading them I always feel better about myself.

(02-03-2015 03:23 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 01:08 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  East Carolina
Charlotte
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Old Dominion
Liberty
Army
Marshal
James Madison

I guess Old Dominion should just take our basketball program behind the back of the proverbial house make a quick end of it. I'm sure ECU would feel the same way about their football program should they ever have the misfortune of ending up in a conference like proposed above.

These threads are great. After reading them I always feel better about myself.

I think Old Dominion and Georgia Southern are two of the best bets for future college athletic growth. Both public state institutes in big populated southeast states. They can be like East Carolina and grow. Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia all have room for a third large fan base college school. Also Georgia Southern, East Carolina, and Old Dominion are in their own region in their states and away from other FBS universities.

Out of that made up conference I could see 6-7 of them being feasible.

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(02-03-2015 08:00 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UMass
Buffalo
Army
Temple
James Madison
Marshall
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
FIU

What, ECU is too good for that **** show of a conference?

(02-03-2015 06:14 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 08:00 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UMass
Buffalo
Army
Temple
James Madison
Marshall
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
FIU

What, ECU is too good for that **** show of a conference?

No I was just going off of his original conference and added Charlotte because why would a new eastern conference of mostly FBS startups not include Charlotte. Did not mean to offend Temple.

(02-03-2015 04:10 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  or to make things really simple, billings... the entire MW western division rejoins the BW with Cal Poly and UCD moving up and gives it 8 members. The MW adds Idaho and NMSU in response to keep its FBS status with 8 members as well.

Of course, that won't happen anytime soon but the logistics make sense more than carving out something "new". Think of the stipends issue going forward and the reduction in travel costs the MW western teams will earn by rejoining the Big West. You'd have five California FBS teams, two in Nevada and Hawaii. Minus a trip every other year to the Islands, that's about as compact as a conference can get.

Probably cheaper for USU for travel in the MWC then it is in the Big West frankly and much better basketball. UNLV anf Nevada will stay in the same conference and they also won't move their BB programs.

Pipe dream

(02-03-2015 07:27 PM)billings Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 04:10 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  or to make things really simple, billings... the entire MW western division rejoins the BW with Cal Poly and UCD moving up and gives it 8 members. The MW adds Idaho and NMSU in response to keep its FBS status with 8 members as well.

Of course, that won't happen anytime soon but the logistics make sense more than carving out something "new". Think of the stipends issue going forward and the reduction in travel costs the MW western teams will earn by rejoining the Big West. You'd have five California FBS teams, two in Nevada and Hawaii. Minus a trip every other year to the Islands, that's about as compact as a conference can get.

Probably cheaper for USU for travel in the MWC then it is in the Big West frankly and much better basketball. UNLV anf Nevada will stay in the same conference and they also won't move their BB programs.

Pipe dream

It's a more realistic possibility than what others have come up with, multiple Big Sky move ups to help out Idaho. The conference has an FBS history and except for Cal Poly or Davis everyone else is already in the FBS ranks.

As far as "much better basketball goes," that's not quite the case this year. The MW is 12th in conference RPI and the Big West 13th, 11th vs 14th in Sagarin rankings, and 13th vs 15th in Massey. Not much difference.

The question then becomes, is this just a one year thing or are the two likely to be in the same neighborhood going forward?

(02-03-2015 01:13 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 07:16 AM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 12:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I was talking more about geographical entities than I was public vs private. The Big Ten and MAC often work in Home/Away/Home relationships. That means Big Ten teams visit once. Those two locations would be two good visit locations for Big Ten teams, especially since Maryland and Rutgers are now part of The Big Ten.

There is a very strong working relationship between the two conferences. So that type of move would make sense. I don't know about any potential removal of a team. I will admit I don't know enough about that to make a comment in either direction. My internal opinion is that they wouldn't do it despite the strong argument that could be made that lessening the presence in Michigan but I am not sure doubling up in Illinois is the best possible move if you are going to resort to such drastic measures such as removing EMU.

I would feel bad for those folks and I would imagine there are some good relationships between the folks of CMU, WMU and EMU. They are all pretty much in the same boat and in a way, voting to kick one of them out then kind of feels like a blow to them all or a potential future blow. Top that off with the worry that would then be felt by the Ohio schools. There are more Ohio schools than there are Michigan schools. I just don't see how a vote to remove EMU could happen due to the Ohio/Michigan centered nature of the conference.

I would say get rid of Liberty and JMU and look for one in the corridor of schools along the way. Youngstown State?

Why, oh why would you think that the MAC would want to add a seventh university in Ohio?

Natural rivalries and a quality team that is in a location that makes sense.