(01-30-2015 08:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "You are critical of Israel for minor transgressions"

PUOSTFU.

Okay, Mr. "I love Palestinians", you asked for it.....

Quote:You can't fire missiles into Apartment buildings filled with innocent people. Start there. Put drones into the air with hellfire missiles. See a battery take it out.

YOU DON"T PUT MISSILES INTO APARTMENT BUILDINGS. That's freaking common sense if you have any speck of care in sparing innocent life. Whoever the decision makers over there need to be relieved of duty ASAP.

That's one post critical of Isreal and sympathetic to Palestinians. Do you really wish to go down this road more?

(01-30-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 08:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "You are critical of Israel for minor transgressions"

PUOSTFU.

Okay, Mr. "I love Palestinians", you asked for it.....

Quote:You can't fire missiles into Apartment buildings filled with innocent people. Start there. Put drones into the air with hellfire missiles. See a battery take it out.

YOU DON"T PUT MISSILES INTO APARTMENT BUILDINGS. That's freaking common sense if you have any speck of care in sparing innocent life. Whoever the decision makers over there need to be relieved of duty ASAP.

That's one post critical of Isreal and sympathetic to Palestinians. Do you really wish to go down this road more?

What is wrong with that statement?

I don't want to put words in your mouth but does that mean you are okay with killing innocent folks in the apartment buildings Mach was referring to?

Killing innocent Palestinians is a minor transgression I guess in DefConn's world.

Would you care to elaborate on this DefConn?

You can't possibly be making this argument. Can you?

(01-30-2015 01:10 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 08:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "You are critical of Israel for minor transgressions"

PUOSTFU.

Okay, Mr. "I love Palestinians", you asked for it.....

Quote:You can't fire missiles into Apartment buildings filled with innocent people. Start there. Put drones into the air with hellfire missiles. See a battery take it out.

YOU DON"T PUT MISSILES INTO APARTMENT BUILDINGS. That's freaking common sense if you have any speck of care in sparing innocent life. Whoever the decision makers over there need to be relieved of duty ASAP.

That's one post critical of Isreal and sympathetic to Palestinians. Do you really wish to go down this road more?

What is wrong with that statement?

I don't want to put words in your mouth but does that mean you are okay with killing innocent folks in the apartment buildings Mach was referring to?

The Palestinians put those innocent people in the building precisely to prevent what ended up happening. Why? Because Isreal knew there was a weapons stockpile (missiles, I believe) in said building and the Palestinians knew that Isreal knew. So they did what all cowardly scum do, they put innocent people in there and dared the Isrealis to do something about it. Isreal did.

(01-30-2015 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Killing innocent Palestinians is a minor transgression I guess in DefConn's world.

Would you care to elaborate on this DefConn?

You can't possibly be making this argument. Can you?

I'm using your own words against you, Mach. Try to keep up. Here's another anti-Isreal, pro-Palestinian post from you...

Quote:Here's a policy change I would make. Democracy for all. Democracy is a basic human right. If you're scared of what the Palestinian elected government will do to you, good. That's a great incentive to stop mistreating them. STOP SHOOTING MISSILES into Apartment buildings. You easily state that it was storing munitions without ANY EVIDENCE. It's quite clear that these people are second class citizens in Israeli eyes. It's an Apartheid state there now. That HAS TO END!

Again, do you really wish to continue this any more?

(01-30-2015 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  STOP SHOOTING MISSILES

Stop shooting missiles at them, but allow them to keep shooting missiles at you?

(01-30-2015 01:18 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:10 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 08:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "You are critical of Israel for minor transgressions"

PUOSTFU.

Okay, Mr. "I love Palestinians", you asked for it.....

Quote:You can't fire missiles into Apartment buildings filled with innocent people. Start there. Put drones into the air with hellfire missiles. See a battery take it out.

YOU DON"T PUT MISSILES INTO APARTMENT BUILDINGS. That's freaking common sense if you have any speck of care in sparing innocent life. Whoever the decision makers over there need to be relieved of duty ASAP.

That's one post critical of Isreal and sympathetic to Palestinians. Do you really wish to go down this road more?

What is wrong with that statement?

I don't want to put words in your mouth but does that mean you are okay with killing innocent folks in the apartment buildings Mach was referring to?

The Palestinians put those innocent people in the building precisely to prevent what ended up happening. Why? Because Isreal knew there was a weapons stockpile (missiles, I believe) in said building and the Palestinians knew that Isreal knew. So they did what all cowardly scum do, they put innocent people in there and dared the Isrealis to do something about it. Isreal did.

That doesn't make it okay to kill civilians. Civilized nations don't kill civilians, even if it means they are less effective at killing the bad guys.

You do know that Israel's willingness to kill civilians in those instances is precisely what drives the entire cycle. It is very easy to recruit somebody who has lost their entire family, their mother, their dad, their siblings, etc to an airstrike.

There is no good argument for bombing residential areas within what are tantamount to giant refugee camps. Gaza is one big slum. There is no place for civilians to go and bombing those areas will result in thousands of civilian casualties, which they do.

It isn't an effective way to fight terrorists. It is also morally unacceptable.

You gotta love Breitbart journalism!

But I can understand that it's uncomfortable for some to hear about what happened to black people.

Oh the humanity!

Yes, Let's 'Never Forget' but Let's Also Remember the Black Holocaust

Quote:I run the risk of being labelled an anti-semite, but I'm not. I'll trot out that well-worn defence against every sort of "ism", but it's true - my best friend is a half-Israeli, secular Jew. I admire the culture, the humour, the togetherness - in fact, I wish there could be a "black community" that stood together so firmly, without the tendency for infighting, jealousy and tearing each other down, but we're not as homogenised a group. I am only pointing out that Jews don't have a monopoly on suffering - nor am I saying that they they claim to. I just think it's time black people got their own 'day' to remember those that died, those that slaved away to lay the foundations for the economic strengths that many Western countries enjoy to this very day - sacrificing their lives for rewards they were excluded from.

The italicized part was left out of their posted snippet of the story.

And the author also clarified some things the next day.
Why I Should Have Chosen My Words More Carefully When Talking About the Holocaust

Carry on with the 'outrage'...

I thought 'I can say what I want because my best friend is black' logic didn't fly?

(01-30-2015 01:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:18 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:10 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 08:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "You are critical of Israel for minor transgressions"

PUOSTFU.

Okay, Mr. "I love Palestinians", you asked for it.....

Quote:You can't fire missiles into Apartment buildings filled with innocent people. Start there. Put drones into the air with hellfire missiles. See a battery take it out.

YOU DON"T PUT MISSILES INTO APARTMENT BUILDINGS. That's freaking common sense if you have any speck of care in sparing innocent life. Whoever the decision makers over there need to be relieved of duty ASAP.

That's one post critical of Isreal and sympathetic to Palestinians. Do you really wish to go down this road more?

What is wrong with that statement?

I don't want to put words in your mouth but does that mean you are okay with killing innocent folks in the apartment buildings Mach was referring to?

The Palestinians put those innocent people in the building precisely to prevent what ended up happening. Why? Because Isreal knew there was a weapons stockpile (missiles, I believe) in said building and the Palestinians knew that Isreal knew. So they did what all cowardly scum do, they put innocent people in there and dared the Isrealis to do something about it. Isreal did.

That doesn't make it okay to kill civilians. Civilized nations don't kill civilians, even if it means they are less effective at killing the bad guys.

You do know that Israel's willingness to kill civilians in those instances is precisely what drives the entire cycle. It is very easy to recruit somebody who has lost their entire family, their mother, their dad, their siblings, etc to an airstrike.

There is no good argument for bombing residential areas within what are tantamount to giant refugee camps. Gaza is one big slum. There is no place for civilians to go and bombing those areas will result in thousands of civilian casualties, which they do.

It isn't an effective way to fight terrorists. It is also morally unacceptable.

I'm going to use Owl's quote above you to point out exactly everything that is wrong with your post.

Quote:Stop shooting missiles at them, but allow them to keep shooting missiles at you?

The Palestinians are/were hoping you'd subscribe to everything you posted above regarding Isreal.

(01-30-2015 01:27 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:18 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:10 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Okay, Mr. "I love Palestinians", you asked for it.....


That's one post critical of Isreal and sympathetic to Palestinians. Do you really wish to go down this road more?

What is wrong with that statement?

I don't want to put words in your mouth but does that mean you are okay with killing innocent folks in the apartment buildings Mach was referring to?

The Palestinians put those innocent people in the building precisely to prevent what ended up happening. Why? Because Isreal knew there was a weapons stockpile (missiles, I believe) in said building and the Palestinians knew that Isreal knew. So they did what all cowardly scum do, they put innocent people in there and dared the Isrealis to do something about it. Isreal did.

That doesn't make it okay to kill civilians. Civilized nations don't kill civilians, even if it means they are less effective at killing the bad guys.

You do know that Israel's willingness to kill civilians in those instances is precisely what drives the entire cycle. It is very easy to recruit somebody who has lost their entire family, their mother, their dad, their siblings, etc to an airstrike.

There is no good argument for bombing residential areas within what are tantamount to giant refugee camps. Gaza is one big slum. There is no place for civilians to go and bombing those areas will result in thousands of civilian casualties, which they do.

It isn't an effective way to fight terrorists. It is also morally unacceptable.

I'm going to use Owl's quote above you to point out exactly everything that is wrong with your post.

Quote:Stop shooting missiles at them, but allow them to keep shooting missiles at you?

The Palestinians are/were hoping you'd subscribe to everything you posted above regarding Isreal.

So, you don't have an answer?

Israeli lives matter and Palestinian ones don't. That is your answer.

(01-30-2015 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You gotta love Breitbart journalism!

But I can understand that it's uncomfortable for some to hear about what happened to black people.

Oh the humanity!

Yes, Let's 'Never Forget' but Let's Also Remember the Black Holocaust

Quote:I run the risk of being labelled an anti-semite, but I'm not. I'll trot out that well-worn defence against every sort of "ism", but it's true - my best friend is a half-Israeli, secular Jew. I admire the culture, the humour, the togetherness - in fact, I wish there could be a "black community" that stood together so firmly, without the tendency for infighting, jealousy and tearing each other down, but we're not as homogenised a group. I am only pointing out that Jews don't have a monopoly on suffering - nor am I saying that they they claim to. I just think it's time black people got their own 'day' to remember those that died, those that slaved away to lay the foundations for the economic strengths that many Western countries enjoy to this very day - sacrificing their lives for rewards they were excluded from.

The italicized part was left out of their posted snippet of the story.

And the author also clarified some things the next day.
Why I Should Have Chosen My Words More Carefully When Talking About the Holocaust

Carry on with the 'outrage'...

Left out? Nah, more like inserted into the story after that person was exposed for the anti-semite they are.

No it was not missiles. It was a high level member of Hamas.

BTW.

You have proven nothing but I still would like you to continue to try. You are proving my point even further with your attempts.

I'll even say it nicer.

Pretty Please with a cherry on top, could you back up your assertions or claims. Put up or kindly Shut UP.

(01-30-2015 01:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:27 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:18 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:10 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  What is wrong with that statement?

I don't want to put words in your mouth but does that mean you are okay with killing innocent folks in the apartment buildings Mach was referring to?

The Palestinians put those innocent people in the building precisely to prevent what ended up happening. Why? Because Isreal knew there was a weapons stockpile (missiles, I believe) in said building and the Palestinians knew that Isreal knew. So they did what all cowardly scum do, they put innocent people in there and dared the Isrealis to do something about it. Isreal did.

That doesn't make it okay to kill civilians. Civilized nations don't kill civilians, even if it means they are less effective at killing the bad guys.

You do know that Israel's willingness to kill civilians in those instances is precisely what drives the entire cycle. It is very easy to recruit somebody who has lost their entire family, their mother, their dad, their siblings, etc to an airstrike.

There is no good argument for bombing residential areas within what are tantamount to giant refugee camps. Gaza is one big slum. There is no place for civilians to go and bombing those areas will result in thousands of civilian casualties, which they do.

It isn't an effective way to fight terrorists. It is also morally unacceptable.

I'm going to use Owl's quote above you to point out exactly everything that is wrong with your post.

Quote:Stop shooting missiles at them, but allow them to keep shooting missiles at you?

The Palestinians are/were hoping you'd subscribe to everything you posted above regarding Isreal.

So, you don't have an answer?

Israeli lives matter and Palestinian ones don't. That is your answer.

Stop shooting missiles at them (Palestinians), but allow them to keep shooting missiles at you (Isreal)? Are you really advocating that Palestinan lives matter more than Isreali lives?

(01-30-2015 01:25 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I thought 'I can say what I want because my best friend is black' logic didn't fly?

Yes...and the author realizes that. That's why she quantified her comment...and probably why Breitbart left it out of the quoted snippet in their article.

(01-30-2015 01:29 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You gotta love Breitbart journalism!

But I can understand that it's uncomfortable for some to hear about what happened to black people.

Oh the humanity!

Yes, Let's 'Never Forget' but Let's Also Remember the Black Holocaust

Quote:I run the risk of being labelled an anti-semite, but I'm not. I'll trot out that well-worn defence against every sort of "ism", but it's true - my best friend is a half-Israeli, secular Jew. I admire the culture, the humour, the togetherness - in fact, I wish there could be a "black community" that stood together so firmly, without the tendency for infighting, jealousy and tearing each other down, but we're not as homogenised a group. I am only pointing out that Jews don't have a monopoly on suffering - nor am I saying that they they claim to. I just think it's time black people got their own 'day' to remember those that died, those that slaved away to lay the foundations for the economic strengths that many Western countries enjoy to this very day - sacrificing their lives for rewards they were excluded from.

The italicized part was left out of their posted snippet of the story.

And the author also clarified some things the next day.
Why I Should Have Chosen My Words More Carefully When Talking About the Holocaust

Carry on with the 'outrage'...

Left out? Nah, more like inserted into the story after that person was exposed for the anti-semite they are.

What are you talking about? It was in the original story and when Breitbart pulled quotes from the story, they stopped and didn't include her logic behind her comment. Typical for them.

DefConn.

Would you be so kind to link the thread you have taken the liberty of my quotes. I don't believe it was a missile battery. I believe this to be false. They were taking out a high ranking member of Hamas and they didn't care if they toppled a building killing innocents in their wake. This is very important to your argument and I believe it to be patently FALSE!!!

Thank you in advance.

(01-30-2015 01:31 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:27 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 01:18 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  The Palestinians put those innocent people in the building precisely to prevent what ended up happening. Why? Because Isreal knew there was a weapons stockpile (missiles, I believe) in said building and the Palestinians knew that Isreal knew. So they did what all cowardly scum do, they put innocent people in there and dared the Isrealis to do something about it. Isreal did.

That doesn't make it okay to kill civilians. Civilized nations don't kill civilians, even if it means they are less effective at killing the bad guys.

You do know that Israel's willingness to kill civilians in those instances is precisely what drives the entire cycle. It is very easy to recruit somebody who has lost their entire family, their mother, their dad, their siblings, etc to an airstrike.

There is no good argument for bombing residential areas within what are tantamount to giant refugee camps. Gaza is one big slum. There is no place for civilians to go and bombing those areas will result in thousands of civilian casualties, which they do.

It isn't an effective way to fight terrorists. It is also morally unacceptable.

I'm going to use Owl's quote above you to point out exactly everything that is wrong with your post.

Quote:Stop shooting missiles at them, but allow them to keep shooting missiles at you?

The Palestinians are/were hoping you'd subscribe to everything you posted above regarding Isreal.

So, you don't have an answer?

Israeli lives matter and Palestinian ones don't. That is your answer.

Stop shooting missiles at them (Palestinians), but allow them to keep shooting missiles at you (Isreal)? Are you really advocating that Palestinan lives matter more than Isreali lives?

That logic doesn't fly because all things aren't equal. Several thousand Palestinians die for every Israeli who does.

If you are saying it is justified then you stating that an Israeli is worth a certain quantifiable number of Palestinians.

Therefore, to you, Israeli lives matter more than Palestinian ones.

It's simple logic.

If you don't think that any innocent human being is inherently worth more than any other innocent human being then you can't hold the stance you do on the subject.

(01-30-2015 01:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No it was not missiles. It was a high level member of Hamas.

BTW.

You have proven nothing but I still would like you to continue to try. You are proving my point even further with your attempts.

I'll even say it nicer.

Pretty Please with a cherry on top, could you back up your assertions or claims. Put up or kindly Shut UP.

I am putting up. I'm amused at your assertion, that I'm proving YOUR point while at the same time falling to "put up". There's an entire thread of you cheering on the Palestinians and advocating for the destruction of Isreal. I just posted TWO of your insane posts. It's time for you to put up or stfu!!

DefConn

Here is a link to a story that may be the one that you are attributing to me. They were going after a high level PLO commander. They KILLED 22 innocent lives including 15 women and children.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-airs...ent-tower/

Please do continue with your Mr. Pro Palestinian line of discourse. i don't believe you have shown any evidence that helps your case. Don't give up though. It may be out there. Don't quit!!!!