(01-29-2015 03:12 PM)cmullinsTU Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:05 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  I have a question, do you guys think the AAC basketball league is held in as high esteem as the P5 group and the BE around the country and if not, would Tulsa winning the league instead of UConn, UC or Memphis tarnish it farther (trying not to be an ass), a serious question.

I'm not sure why some of my fellow TU fans are saying UC has been irrelevant the past 20 years, I know if we made the NCAA tournament 14 out of the past 20 years we'd be pretty excited too. We have had a rough past decade with most of the decade being under Wojcik who could win against crappy teams and completely lay eggs against any Top 50 teams.

With that said I do not believe Tulsa winning the league instead of UConn, UC, or Memphis will tarnish the league reputation at all. We have a proud history and many college basketball talking heads and fans have respect for our program. We have made a serious recommitment to basketball in the money we spent on the coaching staff and budgets for recruiting. We have a very nice and fairly new arena for basketball thanks to the Bill Self era of TU basketball. Also, have one of the nicest video boards in the country when it was installed in 2011 it was the highest resolution video board in a college basketball arena.

I hope Cronin is able to get his health issues taken care of and is able to return to the sideline for UC.

Thank you sir for answering the question intelligently.

Will this be the highest rated AAC game of the season? I know our Memphis game is CBS and their might be a few others on networks like that.

(01-29-2015 02:12 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:52 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:09 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:52 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:20 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  Tulsa made an elite eight 15 years ago, made the tourney last year and are back on the rise. Our league has the team who won the national championship LAST YEAR. I don't think people view the AAC as pushovers. Don't know why you threw UC in there with Memphis and UConn.

Because in every poll ever done by any newspaper, magazine or internet site, Cincinnati is always a Top 15 or 20 program of all time a couple they were top 10. Do your homework.

I have done my Homework and Cincy hasn't been relevant in the past 20 years. Last elite eight appearance was in 1996. The only reason they are rated so high all-time is because of what they did in the 60's. In the last 20 years Uconn and Memphis have been relevant, Cincy has not.

In basketball, Cincy is a national name as is Temple, UCONN and Memphis no matter what has happened in the last twenty years, Tulsa is not. Simple as that.

Never said Tulsa was, I was not the one who included my team on the same level with Memphis and Uconn. All i said was Memphis and Uconn are on a different level then Cincy. Funny how upset Cincy fans get when they are told they are not the best.

With nearly 1700 wins UC is one of the 25 winningest basketball in Division 1 basketball. The school's merits include two national titles, six final fours, and 28 NCAA basketball tournaments. Cincinnati has appeared in the last four tournament (18 out of the last 23). They have had 30 All-Americans.

The school self-imposed a death penalty. In 2004 the coaching staff was not allowed to recruit and in 2005 the coaches were fired. When Mick Cronin took over the program in 2006 he had one scholarship player on his roster. The rest of the team were guys he picked up from the trash heaps of NAIA. He even had to get a couple players from the football team. It took time to rebuild, but UC has now gone to the last four tournaments in a row and look to make it five this year.

UC's resume aside, a factor you are not considering is also brand awareness. Other than UConn, nobody has the brand strength that UC has in basketball in this conference (and we have it for football too).

(01-29-2015 02:26 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:14 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:12 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:52 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:09 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  I have done my Homework and Cincy hasn't been relevant in the past 20 years. Last elite eight appearance was in 1996. The only reason they are rated so high all-time is because of what they did in the 60's. In the last 20 years Uconn and Memphis have been relevant, Cincy has not.

In basketball, Cincy is a national name as is Temple, UCONN and Memphis no matter what has happened in the last twenty years, Tulsa is not. Simple as that.

Never said Tulsa was, I was not the one who included my team on the same level with Memphis and Uconn. All i said was Memphis and Uconn are on a different level then Cincy. Funny how upset Cincy fans get when they are told they are not the best.

Given their history, UC is certainly on the same level as Memphis and UConn.

San Francisco also has one two championships, given their's were 60 years ago instead of 50, but I wouldn't include them on the same level as Memphis and Uconn. From a nation perspective, what a team has done in the last 20 is more important than the 90 years before that.

So what you're saying is San Francisco is the real USF.

How did Memphis get bought up in this thread?

(01-29-2015 03:12 PM)cmullinsTU Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:05 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  I have a question, do you guys think the AAC basketball league is held in as high esteem as the P5 group and the BE around the country and if not, would Tulsa winning the league instead of UConn, UC or Memphis tarnish it farther (trying not to be an ass), a serious question.

I'm not sure why some of my fellow TU fans are saying UC has been irrelevant the past 20 years, I know if we made the NCAA tournament 14 out of the past 20 years we'd be pretty excited too. We have had a rough past decade with most of the decade being under Wojcik who could win against crappy teams and completely lay eggs against any Top 50 teams.

With that said I do not believe Tulsa winning the league instead of UConn, UC, or Memphis will tarnish the league reputation at all. We have a proud history and many college basketball talking heads and fans have respect for our program. We have made a serious recommitment to basketball in the money we spent on the coaching staff and budgets for recruiting. We have a very nice and fairly new arena for basketball thanks to the Bill Self era of TU basketball. Also, have one of the nicest video boards in the country when it was installed in 2011 it was the highest resolution video board in a college basketball arena.

I hope Cronin is able to get his health issues taken care of and is able to return to the sideline for UC.

I used relevant as in competing for a national championship, like Memphis and Uconn have been. Which is why I said they are in a different realm.

As for the "question," Uccheese said "Lol good point. Tulsa sucks." Then Cincybro said "lol. agree." Then you asked the question, "Will Tulsa winning the league hurt the AAC(paraphrasing.)" So I assumed it was more Tulsa bashing, instead of an actual question.

I am not saying UC is not a good program, I believe they are. I am saying they are not viewed on the same level that Uconn and Memphis are nationally, in particular Uconn.

T-Town Cane doesn't speak for all Tulsa fans. The rest of us have a tremendous amount of respect for the Cincinnati program.

In terms of conference perception, I think the current state of ECU, USF, UCF, and Houston programs at the bottom is currently more damaging than Tulsa leading the standings. Those top 6 conferences don't have 4 200+ RPI teams. IMO, that is what's keeping us in the same tier as conferences like the A-10 and Mountain West.

There's no shame in belonging to that group, but it's clearly a cut below the big boys.

(01-29-2015 05:10 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 03:12 PM)cmullinsTU Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:05 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  I have a question, do you guys think the AAC basketball league is held in as high esteem as the P5 group and the BE around the country and if not, would Tulsa winning the league instead of UConn, UC or Memphis tarnish it farther (trying not to be an ass), a serious question.

I'm not sure why some of my fellow TU fans are saying UC has been irrelevant the past 20 years, I know if we made the NCAA tournament 14 out of the past 20 years we'd be pretty excited too. We have had a rough past decade with most of the decade being under Wojcik who could win against crappy teams and completely lay eggs against any Top 50 teams.

With that said I do not believe Tulsa winning the league instead of UConn, UC, or Memphis will tarnish the league reputation at all. We have a proud history and many college basketball talking heads and fans have respect for our program. We have made a serious recommitment to basketball in the money we spent on the coaching staff and budgets for recruiting. We have a very nice and fairly new arena for basketball thanks to the Bill Self era of TU basketball. Also, have one of the nicest video boards in the country when it was installed in 2011 it was the highest resolution video board in a college basketball arena.

I hope Cronin is able to get his health issues taken care of and is able to return to the sideline for UC.

I used relevant as in competing for a national championship, like Memphis and Uconn have been. Which is why I said they are in a different realm.

As for the "question," Uccheese said "Lol good point. Tulsa sucks." Then Cincybro said "lol. agree." Then you asked the question, "Will Tulsa winning the league hurt the AAC(paraphrasing.)" So I assumed it was more Tulsa bashing, instead of an actual question.

I am not saying UC is not a good program, I believe they are. I am saying they are not viewed on the same level that Uconn and Memphis are nationally, in particular Uconn.

Read the whole thread from the start and you will see that UC Cheese was being facetious and so was I. Nobody thinks Tulsa sucks.

(01-29-2015 12:05 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  I have a question, do you guys think the AAC basketball league is held in as high esteem as the P5 group and the BE around the country and if not, would Tulsa winning the league instead of UConn, UC or Memphis tarnish it farther (trying not to be an ass), a serious question.

no tulsa has a gd history

(01-29-2015 02:26 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:14 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:12 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:52 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:09 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  I have done my Homework and Cincy hasn't been relevant in the past 20 years. Last elite eight appearance was in 1996. The only reason they are rated so high all-time is because of what they did in the 60's. In the last 20 years Uconn and Memphis have been relevant, Cincy has not.

In basketball, Cincy is a national name as is Temple, UCONN and Memphis no matter what has happened in the last twenty years, Tulsa is not. Simple as that.

Never said Tulsa was, I was not the one who included my team on the same level with Memphis and Uconn. All i said was Memphis and Uconn are on a different level then Cincy. Funny how upset Cincy fans get when they are told they are not the best.

Given their history, UC is certainly on the same level as Memphis and UConn.

San Francisco also has one two championships, given their's were 60 years ago instead of 50, but I wouldn't include them on the same level as Memphis and Uconn. From a nation perspective, what a team has done in the last 20 is more important than the 90 years before that.

yeah but San fran has been invisible since their national titles. UC has not. We are regularly voted in the top 12 programs of all time anytime that type of poll comes out in SI, Sporting New etc. Comparing UC to San Fran is stupid and laughable at the same time.

(01-29-2015 02:12 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:52 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:09 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:52 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:20 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  Tulsa made an elite eight 15 years ago, made the tourney last year and are back on the rise. Our league has the team who won the national championship LAST YEAR. I don't think people view the AAC as pushovers. Don't know why you threw UC in there with Memphis and UConn.

Because in every poll ever done by any newspaper, magazine or internet site, Cincinnati is always a Top 15 or 20 program of all time a couple they were top 10. Do your homework.

I have done my Homework and Cincy hasn't been relevant in the past 20 years. Last elite eight appearance was in 1996. The only reason they are rated so high all-time is because of what they did in the 60's. In the last 20 years Uconn and Memphis have been relevant, Cincy has not.

In basketball, Cincy is a national name as is Temple, UCONN and Memphis no matter what has happened in the last twenty years, Tulsa is not. Simple as that.

Never said Tulsa was, I was not the one who included my team on the same level with Memphis and Uconn. All i said was Memphis and Uconn are on a different level then Cincy. Funny how upset Cincy fans get when they are told they are not the best.

"Best" what Bearcat fan said we are the "Best"? Red Herring Troll.

Settle down Tulsa fans....

Lol who heard Bob Knight trying to compare a technical to pass interference?

Cinci your trolls remind me of Fresno St. trolls when Tulsa was in the WAC. Totally full of yourself and no reason for it.

(01-29-2015 09:16 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  Truthfully, I expect UC to win by more than 10. Just a feeling.

Just had that feeling. Good game UCONN, typical BE game tonight. Good luck the rest of the way.

(01-29-2015 01:09 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:52 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:20 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:05 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  I have a question, do you guys think the AAC basketball league is held in as high esteem as the P5 group and the BE around the country and if not, would Tulsa winning the league instead of UConn, UC or Memphis tarnish it farther (trying not to be an ass), a serious question.

Tulsa made an elite eight 15 years ago, made the tourney last year and are back on the rise. Our league has the team who won the national championship LAST YEAR. I don't think people view the AAC as pushovers. Don't know why you threw UC in there with Memphis and UConn.

Because in every poll ever done by any newspaper, magazine or internet site, Cincinnati is always a Top 15 or 20 program of all time a couple they were top 10. Do your homework.

I have done my Homework and Cincy hasn't been relevant in the past 20 years. Last elite eight appearance was in 1996. The only reason they are rated so high all-time is because of what they did in the 60's. In the last 20 years Uconn and Memphis have been relevant, Cincy has not.

Maybe you can understand this. We won the league last year.

(01-29-2015 10:19 PM)TulsaEye Wrote:  Cinci your trolls remind me of Fresno St. trolls when Tulsa was in the WAC. Totally full of yourself and no reason for it.

One of yours said out program is not "relevant" We did not start this, your a s s clown did.

(01-29-2015 02:40 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:26 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:14 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:12 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:52 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  In basketball, Cincy is a national name as is Temple, UCONN and Memphis no matter what has happened in the last twenty years, Tulsa is not. Simple as that.

Never said Tulsa was, I was not the one who included my team on the same level with Memphis and Uconn. All i said was Memphis and Uconn are on a different level then Cincy. Funny how upset Cincy fans get when they are told they are not the best.

Given their history, UC is certainly on the same level as Memphis and UConn.

San Francisco also has one two championships, given their's were 60 years ago instead of 50, but I wouldn't include them on the same level as Memphis and Uconn. From a nation perspective, what a team has done in the last 20 is more important than the 90 years before that.

If we look at the last 20 years, UConn is in a league of their own.

Funny how time works. If we just look at tonight, UC is in a league of their own against UConn

UC won the game tonight, which is what I thought this thread was about.

Caupain played great but got carried away with the talking, and paid for it. He needs to continue to play aggressive and with that emotion, but stop the jawing/taunting.

UConn is pretty much a two man team in Boatright and Brimah, but they get a lot out of both. Brimah gets away with a lot of fouls though.

(01-29-2015 10:23 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:40 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:26 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:14 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:12 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  Never said Tulsa was, I was not the one who included my team on the same level with Memphis and Uconn. All i said was Memphis and Uconn are on a different level then Cincy. Funny how upset Cincy fans get when they are told they are not the best.

Given their history, UC is certainly on the same level as Memphis and UConn.

San Francisco also has one two championships, given their's were 60 years ago instead of 50, but I wouldn't include them on the same level as Memphis and Uconn. From a nation perspective, what a team has done in the last 20 is more important than the 90 years before that.

If we look at the last 20 years, UConn is in a league of their own.

Funny how time works. If we just look at tonight, UC is in a league of their own against UConn

UConn is there with the blue bloods. There is no doubt about.