(01-21-2015 12:38 PM)sfg22 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 11:10 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:17 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:07 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 08:57 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  So are you trying to convince me that todays American Athletic conference is just as good as it was when it was called the Big East and included such names as Louisville, Rutgers, Pitt etc? Including the basketball schools. Seriously? But yet YOU talk about someone else being dumb?

The Marshall AD worked the phones to get into the AAC in its current state, I can't imagine that the long term goal for Marshall to get out of Conference USA and join the AAC is no longer part of the plan. Conference USA AD's are very nervous about the tv deal. The AAC represnts the best of what is left. It's a no brainer that every Conference USA school wants into the AAC. If ECU had been left out of the AAC, you can bet our AD would be trying to get in as well. This is not a slam, but cold business facts.

No doubt there was interest prior to the latest tv deal that the American got. Back when you guys were estimating you would be getting 7-8 Mill per school. Obviously that didnt happen. Would it still make good financial sense to pay an exit fee and entry fee to a league that currently makes only 500k more annually? A league with the same access as CUSA? Stop and think about that for a minute. Does it really make sense financially? If Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers was still there its an absolute yes. But those schools are gone and so is the Big East name. You guys make it sound like it would be an easy decision. Truth is, it isnt. Thats the cold business reality.

We make $1 million more per year on tv alone. Then millions more on ncaa credits. More on conference sponsors. More on the aac bb championship games. I think the league distribuTed over 300% more than the c-usa, but keep telling us you would rather play north Texas and FIU and make much less with zero games on national tv.

The AAC did distribute three times more last year, as a BCS conference. You are getting about $25M less in bowl revenue alone this year. Granted BB credits are much higher, however as time passes those will dry up quite a bit as well?

Right even though we will have 3-5 bids 99% of the time

(01-21-2015 12:38 PM)sfg22 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 11:10 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:17 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:07 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 08:57 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  So are you trying to convince me that todays American Athletic conference is just as good as it was when it was called the Big East and included such names as Louisville, Rutgers, Pitt etc? Including the basketball schools. Seriously? But yet YOU talk about someone else being dumb?

The Marshall AD worked the phones to get into the AAC in its current state, I can't imagine that the long term goal for Marshall to get out of Conference USA and join the AAC is no longer part of the plan. Conference USA AD's are very nervous about the tv deal. The AAC represnts the best of what is left. It's a no brainer that every Conference USA school wants into the AAC. If ECU had been left out of the AAC, you can bet our AD would be trying to get in as well. This is not a slam, but cold business facts.

No doubt there was interest prior to the latest tv deal that the American got. Back when you guys were estimating you would be getting 7-8 Mill per school. Obviously that didnt happen. Would it still make good financial sense to pay an exit fee and entry fee to a league that currently makes only 500k more annually? A league with the same access as CUSA? Stop and think about that for a minute. Does it really make sense financially? If Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers was still there its an absolute yes. But those schools are gone and so is the Big East name. You guys make it sound like it would be an easy decision. Truth is, it isnt. Thats the cold business reality.

We make $1 million more per year on tv alone. Then millions more on ncaa credits. More on conference sponsors. More on the aac bb championship games. I think the league distribuTed over 300% more than the c-usa, but keep telling us you would rather play north Texas and FIU and make much less with zero games on national tv.

The AAC did distribute three times more last year, as a BCS conference. You are getting about $25M less in bowl revenue alone this year. Granted BB credits are much higher, however as time passes those will dry up quite a bit as well?

As a North Texas fan would you rather be in Conference USA or the AAC? Honesty question

Money aside, as its been argued ad nauseum, Marshall would still make the jump and pay the minor fees just for our TV exposure. This conference had every single game available at the very minimum on ESPN 3. Old cusa's, remember the days of searching for illegal streams to watch a grainy rendition of football?

We were on the main ESPN channels as often as the ACC. You couldn't find a CUSA game if you tried.

As to TV deal negotiation, we need only look at history. The big East went from 4 mill before realignment, to 2+ mill after, from just ESPN to ESPN. CUSA is likely capped at half their current payout (especially considering the majority of their teams are comprised from former sun belt teams or less, who make something like 40k per school ), and that's assuming they find a suitor that is interested.

(01-21-2015 01:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Money aside, as its been argued ad nauseum, Marshall would still make the jump and pay the minor fees just for our TV exposure. This conference had every single game available at the very minimum on ESPN 3. Old cusa's, remember the days of searching for illegal streams to watch a grainy rendition of football?

We were on the main ESPN channels as often as the ACC. You couldn't find a CUSA game if you tried.

As to TV deal negotiation, we need only look at history. The big East went from 4 mill before realignment, to 2+ mill after, from just ESPN to ESPN. CUSA is likely capped at half their current payout (especially considering the majority of their teams are comprised from former sun belt teams or less, who make something like 40k per school ), and that's assuming they find a suitor that is interested.

The question is who wants to broadcast Conference USA games? Aresco , the tv exec, took the best of what was availble to him from Conference USA. Conference USA then had to dip into the SUn BElt which had an even worse tv deal than Conference USA did.

CBS has all but stopped showing Conference USA games and Fox gave them fewer national games this year than last year. Conference USA big tv deal this year was with a station that did not even pay to broadcast their games.

What type of value does this league have. Consider that Conference USA has no basketball to speak of and I think the league is looking at some serious sticker shock. Add in the whole G5 stigma and it does not look good for their conference. Who takes them and why? I know that that they previous ECU AD said that ECU essentially got out on the last train survivors. I think he may be right.

(01-21-2015 12:17 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 12:11 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  You keep talking about the MVC....I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Nowhere in the OP's original post/links do I see anything talking about the MVC.

because in the OP they are comparing computer ranking of only G5,

you are using those ranking as justification for being bettter than us...im saying, if you actually go into those rankings and look at the ones that include FCS , like sagarin youd see they ranked the Missouri valley confernce high than C-usa

ill simplify it for you, you are using computers to justify being better than us, those same computers also say a FCS conference is better than C-usa.
if that is your guage for who is better, you are admitting that an FCS conference is better than C-usa

Those arent my numbers. Im looking at the rankings as posted in the article. Besides, I dont think the new official computer rankings being used to determine conference strength and distribution of money has the sagarin rankings included which makes that a moot point. I do remember them stating the Massey system would play a role though.

(01-21-2015 01:17 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Money aside, as its been argued ad nauseum, Marshall would still make the jump and pay the minor fees just for our TV exposure. This conference had every single game available at the very minimum on ESPN 3. Old cusa's, remember the days of searching for illegal streams to watch a grainy rendition of football?

We were on the main ESPN channels as often as the ACC. You couldn't find a CUSA game if you tried.

As to TV deal negotiation, we need only look at history. The big East went from 4 mill before realignment, to 2+ mill after, from just ESPN to ESPN. CUSA is likely capped at half their current payout (especially considering the majority of their teams are comprised from former sun belt teams or less, who make something like 40k per school ), and that's assuming they find a suitor that is interested.

The question is who wants to broadcast Conference USA games? Aresco , the tv exec, took the best of what was availble to him from Conference USA. Conference USA then had to dip into the SUn BElt which had an even worse tv deal than Conference USA did.

CBS has all but stopped showing Conference USA games and Fox gave them fewer national games this year than last year. Conference USA big tv deal this year was with a station that did not even pay to broadcast their games.

What type of value does this league have. Consider that Conference USA has no basketball to speak of and I think the league is looking at some serious sticker shock. Add in the whole G5 stigma and it does not look good for their conference. Who takes them and why? I know that that they previous ECU AD said that ECU essentially got out on the last train survivors. I think he may be right.

Very harsh but that is reality for the c-usa. They have literally no basketball content. The old c-usa had at least Memphis that was a regular top 25. On the football side, there really isn't any punch either. No schools that will put 40k in the stands for tv execs to get excited and draw ratings. ESPN doesn't need content so it is down to fox, nbc, and cbs. CBS already shown it lost interest in showing c-USA games. Fox sports might take some content but likely a filler for FS1 or Fs2.

The aac should root for a good deal though. The escrow money is likely gone if they can't get at least $300k per team.

(01-21-2015 01:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:17 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Money aside, as its been argued ad nauseum, Marshall would still make the jump and pay the minor fees just for our TV exposure. This conference had every single game available at the very minimum on ESPN 3. Old cusa's, remember the days of searching for illegal streams to watch a grainy rendition of football?

We were on the main ESPN channels as often as the ACC. You couldn't find a CUSA game if you tried.

As to TV deal negotiation, we need only look at history. The big East went from 4 mill before realignment, to 2+ mill after, from just ESPN to ESPN. CUSA is likely capped at half their current payout (especially considering the majority of their teams are comprised from former sun belt teams or less, who make something like 40k per school ), and that's assuming they find a suitor that is interested.

The question is who wants to broadcast Conference USA games? Aresco , the tv exec, took the best of what was availble to him from Conference USA. Conference USA then had to dip into the SUn BElt which had an even worse tv deal than Conference USA did.

CBS has all but stopped showing Conference USA games and Fox gave them fewer national games this year than last year. Conference USA big tv deal this year was with a station that did not even pay to broadcast their games.

What type of value does this league have. Consider that Conference USA has no basketball to speak of and I think the league is looking at some serious sticker shock. Add in the whole G5 stigma and it does not look good for their conference. Who takes them and why? I know that that they previous ECU AD said that ECU essentially got out on the last train survivors. I think he may be right.

Very harsh but that is reality for the c-usa. They have literally no basketball content. The old c-usa had at least Memphis that was a regular top 25. On the football side, there really isn't any punch either. No schools that will put 40k in the stands for tv execs to get excited and draw ratings. ESPN doesn't need content so it is down to fox, nbc, and cbs. CBS already shown it lost interest in showing c-USA games. Fox sports might take some content but likely a filler for FS1 or Fs2.

The aac should root for a good deal though. The escrow money is likely gone if they can't get at least $300k per team.

I disagree on the basketball content. Sure Memphis was a loss but its not like we didnt gain some good basketball schools in return. If anything, our basketball profile got slightly better overall as a league with the tradition of WKU, Old Dominion and Charlotte. For the first time in a long time, the talking heads are saying two teams from CUSA to the dance.

(01-21-2015 01:17 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Money aside, as its been argued ad nauseum, Marshall would still make the jump and pay the minor fees just for our TV exposure. This conference had every single game available at the very minimum on ESPN 3. Old cusa's, remember the days of searching for illegal streams to watch a grainy rendition of football?

We were on the main ESPN channels as often as the ACC. You couldn't find a CUSA game if you tried.

As to TV deal negotiation, we need only look at history. The big East went from 4 mill before realignment, to 2+ mill after, from just ESPN to ESPN. CUSA is likely capped at half their current payout (especially considering the majority of their teams are comprised from former sun belt teams or less, who make something like 40k per school ), and that's assuming they find a suitor that is interested.

The question is who wants to broadcast Conference USA games? Aresco , the tv exec, took the best of what was availble to him from Conference USA. Conference USA then had to dip into the SUn BElt which had an even worse tv deal than Conference USA did.

CBS has all but stopped showing Conference USA games and Fox gave them fewer national games this year than last year. Conference USA big tv deal this year was with a station that did not even pay to broadcast their games.

What type of value does this league have. Consider that Conference USA has no basketball to speak of and I think the league is looking at some serious sticker shock. Add in the whole G5 stigma and it does not look good for their conference. Who takes them and why? I know that that they previous ECU AD said that ECU essentially got out on the last train survivors. I think he may be right.

You literally may be retarded.

(01-21-2015 01:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  ...This conference had every single game available at the very minimum on ESPN 3. Old cusa's, remember the days of searching for illegal streams to watch *(---) football? ...

I worked on a response that would have added to Kruciff's comments, but in the end those two sentences above state everything that needs to be said about TV coverage.

*(I removed some of the more potentially offensive comments, I'm not interested in participating in open fights with good former conference members)

(01-21-2015 02:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:17 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Money aside, as its been argued ad nauseum, Marshall would still make the jump and pay the minor fees just for our TV exposure. This conference had every single game available at the very minimum on ESPN 3. Old cusa's, remember the days of searching for illegal streams to watch a grainy rendition of football?

We were on the main ESPN channels as often as the ACC. You couldn't find a CUSA game if you tried.

As to TV deal negotiation, we need only look at history. The big East went from 4 mill before realignment, to 2+ mill after, from just ESPN to ESPN. CUSA is likely capped at half their current payout (especially considering the majority of their teams are comprised from former sun belt teams or less, who make something like 40k per school ), and that's assuming they find a suitor that is interested.

The question is who wants to broadcast Conference USA games? Aresco , the tv exec, took the best of what was availble to him from Conference USA. Conference USA then had to dip into the SUn BElt which had an even worse tv deal than Conference USA did.

CBS has all but stopped showing Conference USA games and Fox gave them fewer national games this year than last year. Conference USA big tv deal this year was with a station that did not even pay to broadcast their games.

What type of value does this league have. Consider that Conference USA has no basketball to speak of and I think the league is looking at some serious sticker shock. Add in the whole G5 stigma and it does not look good for their conference. Who takes them and why? I know that that they previous ECU AD said that ECU essentially got out on the last train survivors. I think he may be right.

Very harsh but that is reality for the c-usa. They have literally no basketball content. The old c-usa had at least Memphis that was a regular top 25. On the football side, there really isn't any punch either. No schools that will put 40k in the stands for tv execs to get excited and draw ratings. ESPN doesn't need content so it is down to fox, nbc, and cbs. CBS already shown it lost interest in showing c-USA games. Fox sports might take some content but likely a filler for FS1 or Fs2.

The aac should root for a good deal though. The escrow money is likely gone if they can't get at least $300k per team.

I disagree on the basketball content. Sure Memphis was a loss but its not like we didnt gain some good basketball schools in return. If anything, our basketball profile got slightly better overall as a league with the tradition of WKU, Old Dominion and Charlotte. For the first time in a long time, the talking heads are saying two teams from CUSA to the dance.

Yes watching mediocre to bad teams beat up on each other has greatly improved your basketball product.

(01-21-2015 02:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:17 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Money aside, as its been argued ad nauseum, Marshall would still make the jump and pay the minor fees just for our TV exposure. This conference had every single game available at the very minimum on ESPN 3. Old cusa's, remember the days of searching for illegal streams to watch a grainy rendition of football?

We were on the main ESPN channels as often as the ACC. You couldn't find a CUSA game if you tried.

As to TV deal negotiation, we need only look at history. The big East went from 4 mill before realignment, to 2+ mill after, from just ESPN to ESPN. CUSA is likely capped at half their current payout (especially considering the majority of their teams are comprised from former sun belt teams or less, who make something like 40k per school ), and that's assuming they find a suitor that is interested.

The question is who wants to broadcast Conference USA games? Aresco , the tv exec, took the best of what was availble to him from Conference USA. Conference USA then had to dip into the SUn BElt which had an even worse tv deal than Conference USA did.

CBS has all but stopped showing Conference USA games and Fox gave them fewer national games this year than last year. Conference USA big tv deal this year was with a station that did not even pay to broadcast their games.

What type of value does this league have. Consider that Conference USA has no basketball to speak of and I think the league is looking at some serious sticker shock. Add in the whole G5 stigma and it does not look good for their conference. Who takes them and why? I know that that they previous ECU AD said that ECU essentially got out on the last train survivors. I think he may be right.

Very harsh but that is reality for the c-usa. They have literally no basketball content. The old c-usa had at least Memphis that was a regular top 25. On the football side, there really isn't any punch either. No schools that will put 40k in the stands for tv execs to get excited and draw ratings. ESPN doesn't need content so it is down to fox, nbc, and cbs. CBS already shown it lost interest in showing c-USA games. Fox sports might take some content but likely a filler for FS1 or Fs2.

The aac should root for a good deal though. The escrow money is likely gone if they can't get at least $300k per team.

I disagree on the basketball content. Sure Memphis was a loss but its not like we didnt gain some good basketball schools in return. If anything, our basketball profile got slightly better overall as a league with the tradition of WKU, Old Dominion and Charlotte. For the first time in a long time, the talking heads are saying two teams from CUSA to the dance.

C-USA moved up from #19 ranked to #17 ranked conference in real time rpi. 8 teams in the c-USA in the 200+ RPI club. I can assure you that the basketball side won't get you any tv money at all. CBS basically stopped broadcasting your games. So they see it as a net loss just to broadcast c-usa games.

Trust me...I want the c-USA deal too. Likely in the 300k range is my top end guess.

The only c-USA team on the bubble is odu. Their sos is about to get whacked in the coming 3-4 weeks though. Everyone else is way outside with no signature wins.

(01-21-2015 02:06 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  ...This conference had every single game available at the very minimum on ESPN 3. Old cusa's, remember the days of searching for illegal streams to watch *(---) football? ...

I worked on a response that would have added to Kruciff's comments, but in the end those to sentences above state everything that needs to be said about TV coverage. There isn't anything else that needs to be said.

*(I removed some of the more potentially offensive comments, I'm not interested in participating in open fights with good former conference members)

ASN really improved CUSA's exposure. AFAIK, there's no money involved...other than a possible outlay from CUSA. But, if you live in the footprint, many games can be seen on this channel/subchannels.

Congrats to CUSA! They earned it, just like the SBC was the top NonAQ the year before last. I suspect the order will change as conferences move up and down on a yearly basis.

(01-21-2015 02:11 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 02:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:17 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Money aside, as its been argued ad nauseum, Marshall would still make the jump and pay the minor fees just for our TV exposure. This conference had every single game available at the very minimum on ESPN 3. Old cusa's, remember the days of searching for illegal streams to watch a grainy rendition of football?

We were on the main ESPN channels as often as the ACC. You couldn't find a CUSA game if you tried.

As to TV deal negotiation, we need only look at history. The big East went from 4 mill before realignment, to 2+ mill after, from just ESPN to ESPN. CUSA is likely capped at half their current payout (especially considering the majority of their teams are comprised from former sun belt teams or less, who make something like 40k per school ), and that's assuming they find a suitor that is interested.

The question is who wants to broadcast Conference USA games? Aresco , the tv exec, took the best of what was availble to him from Conference USA. Conference USA then had to dip into the SUn BElt which had an even worse tv deal than Conference USA did.

CBS has all but stopped showing Conference USA games and Fox gave them fewer national games this year than last year. Conference USA big tv deal this year was with a station that did not even pay to broadcast their games.

What type of value does this league have. Consider that Conference USA has no basketball to speak of and I think the league is looking at some serious sticker shock. Add in the whole G5 stigma and it does not look good for their conference. Who takes them and why? I know that that they previous ECU AD said that ECU essentially got out on the last train survivors. I think he may be right.

Very harsh but that is reality for the c-usa. They have literally no basketball content. The old c-usa had at least Memphis that was a regular top 25. On the football side, there really isn't any punch either. No schools that will put 40k in the stands for tv execs to get excited and draw ratings. ESPN doesn't need content so it is down to fox, nbc, and cbs. CBS already shown it lost interest in showing c-USA games. Fox sports might take some content but likely a filler for FS1 or Fs2.

The aac should root for a good deal though. The escrow money is likely gone if they can't get at least $300k per team.

I disagree on the basketball content. Sure Memphis was a loss but its not like we didnt gain some good basketball schools in return. If anything, our basketball profile got slightly better overall as a league with the tradition of WKU, Old Dominion and Charlotte. For the first time in a long time, the talking heads are saying two teams from CUSA to the dance.

Yes watching mediocre to bad teams beat up on each other has greatly improved your basketball product.

I understand your point and logic, Ramen; however I do think that CUSA upgraded it's basketball profile in the re-org. ODU and particularly the Hilltoppers bring a lot of really good history. I think that the Hilltoppers are in the top 10 for most wins (or maybe winning % ?) in NCAA history. Charlotte brings some historical success but I don't think that it's as significant as ODU/WKU.

(01-21-2015 02:24 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 02:11 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 02:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:17 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  The question is who wants to broadcast Conference USA games? Aresco , the tv exec, took the best of what was availble to him from Conference USA. Conference USA then had to dip into the SUn BElt which had an even worse tv deal than Conference USA did.

CBS has all but stopped showing Conference USA games and Fox gave them fewer national games this year than last year. Conference USA big tv deal this year was with a station that did not even pay to broadcast their games.

What type of value does this league have. Consider that Conference USA has no basketball to speak of and I think the league is looking at some serious sticker shock. Add in the whole G5 stigma and it does not look good for their conference. Who takes them and why? I know that that they previous ECU AD said that ECU essentially got out on the last train survivors. I think he may be right.

Very harsh but that is reality for the c-usa. They have literally no basketball content. The old c-usa had at least Memphis that was a regular top 25. On the football side, there really isn't any punch either. No schools that will put 40k in the stands for tv execs to get excited and draw ratings. ESPN doesn't need content so it is down to fox, nbc, and cbs. CBS already shown it lost interest in showing c-USA games. Fox sports might take some content but likely a filler for FS1 or Fs2.

The aac should root for a good deal though. The escrow money is likely gone if they can't get at least $300k per team.

I disagree on the basketball content. Sure Memphis was a loss but its not like we didnt gain some good basketball schools in return. If anything, our basketball profile got slightly better overall as a league with the tradition of WKU, Old Dominion and Charlotte. For the first time in a long time, the talking heads are saying two teams from CUSA to the dance.

Yes watching mediocre to bad teams beat up on each other has greatly improved your basketball product.

I understand your point and logic, Ramen; however I do think that CUSA upgraded it's basketball profile in the re-org. ODU and particularly the Hilltoppers bring a lot of really good history. I think that the Hilltoppers are in the top 10 for most wins (or maybe winning % ?) in NCAA history. Charlotte brings some historical success but I don't think that it's as significant as ODU/WKU.

Yes. I just don't think those teams bring what Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, or Marquette bought as national brands to the CUSA.

(01-21-2015 02:30 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 02:24 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 02:11 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 02:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Very harsh but that is reality for the c-usa. They have literally no basketball content. The old c-usa had at least Memphis that was a regular top 25. On the football side, there really isn't any punch either. No schools that will put 40k in the stands for tv execs to get excited and draw ratings. ESPN doesn't need content so it is down to fox, nbc, and cbs. CBS already shown it lost interest in showing c-USA games. Fox sports might take some content but likely a filler for FS1 or Fs2.

The aac should root for a good deal though. The escrow money is likely gone if they can't get at least $300k per team.

I disagree on the basketball content. Sure Memphis was a loss but its not like we didnt gain some good basketball schools in return. If anything, our basketball profile got slightly better overall as a league with the tradition of WKU, Old Dominion and Charlotte. For the first time in a long time, the talking heads are saying two teams from CUSA to the dance.

Yes watching mediocre to bad teams beat up on each other has greatly improved your basketball product.

I understand your point and logic, Ramen; however I do think that CUSA upgraded it's basketball profile in the re-org. ODU and particularly the Hilltoppers bring a lot of really good history. I think that the Hilltoppers are in the top 10 for most wins (or maybe winning % ?) in NCAA history. Charlotte brings some historical success but I don't think that it's as significant as ODU/WKU.

Yes. I just don't think those teams bring what Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, or Marquette bought as national brands to the CUSA.

Oh, I missed the fact that we were talking the comparison back that far. My bad.....sorry. In no way does this re-org restore CUSA back to pre-BE raid #1 days.

(01-21-2015 02:06 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  ...This conference had every single game available at the very minimum on ESPN 3. Old cusa's, remember the days of searching for illegal streams to watch *(---) football? ...

I worked on a response that would have added to Kruciff's comments, but in the end those two sentences above state everything that needs to be said about TV coverage.

*(I removed some of the more potentially offensive comments, I'm not interested in participating in open fights with good former conference members)

Lol I wasn't trying to insult with the term grainy, I was merely reminding people of the quality of the Internet feeds, as in grainy low resolution.

I'm glad their bb profile is so high ranked #17 best conference. Hey ivy league, watch out! They are coming for your #16 ranking.

(01-21-2015 02:46 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I'm glad their bb profile is so high ranked #17 best conference. Hey ivy league, watch out! They are coming for your #16 ranking.

As ucf fans, we have no right to cast stones in basketball discussions. Let the temple, Memphis, SMU et al fans take those reins, we'll stick to the Fiesta bowl, Orlando market, top recruiting hot bed, and 8 straight victories over marshall arguments lol

(01-21-2015 02:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 02:46 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I'm glad their bb profile is so high ranked #17 best conference. Hey ivy league, watch out! They are coming for your #16 ranking.

As ucf fans, we have no right to cast stones in basketball discussions. Let the temple, Memphis, SMU et al fans take those reins, we'll stick to the Fiesta bowl, Orlando market, top recruiting hot bed, and 8 straight victories over marshall arguments lol

Speaking as a conference as a whole. Ucf in no way is helping the hoops profile of the aac right now. I expect that to change next 2 years, but we shall see.

(01-21-2015 02:30 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 02:24 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 02:11 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 02:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 01:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Very harsh but that is reality for the c-usa. They have literally no basketball content. The old c-usa had at least Memphis that was a regular top 25. On the football side, there really isn't any punch either. No schools that will put 40k in the stands for tv execs to get excited and draw ratings. ESPN doesn't need content so it is down to fox, nbc, and cbs. CBS already shown it lost interest in showing c-USA games. Fox sports might take some content but likely a filler for FS1 or Fs2.

The aac should root for a good deal though. The escrow money is likely gone if they can't get at least $300k per team.

I disagree on the basketball content. Sure Memphis was a loss but its not like we didnt gain some good basketball schools in return. If anything, our basketball profile got slightly better overall as a league with the tradition of WKU, Old Dominion and Charlotte. For the first time in a long time, the talking heads are saying two teams from CUSA to the dance.

Yes watching mediocre to bad teams beat up on each other has greatly improved your basketball product.

I understand your point and logic, Ramen; however I do think that CUSA upgraded it's basketball profile in the re-org. ODU and particularly the Hilltoppers bring a lot of really good history. I think that the Hilltoppers are in the top 10 for most wins (or maybe winning % ?) in NCAA history. Charlotte brings some historical success but I don't think that it's as significant as ODU/WKU.

Yes. I just don't think those teams bring what Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, or Marquette bought as national brands to the CUSA.

Uh...duh...Louisville and Marquette hasnt been in CUSA for ages....lol