(12-19-2014 08:26 AM)stdatwmu Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 05:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 03:44 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I have a feeling that WMU is betting that the majority of the money in that contract will be paid to WMU by Fleck's next employer and not to Fleck by WMU for being their coach.

Did I get the impression that boosters are ponying up a lot of $ ?

That certainly appears to be the case:

Quote:The remaining $575,000 of the new contract, which runs to Jan. 31, 2021, will come from "external donors," according to the press release.

You could recoup that money with one more money road game. They are going to be harder to find, though. Ohio State has two MAC schools on future schedules and they are done. They have said they will no longer play MAC members. As the Big Ten requires more in conference games, schools like the MAC may have to look elsewhere.

(12-18-2014 09:31 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Wow!!! WMU has now changed the game.

I have a feeling these guys are going to the next NIU of the MAC and then some....

They'll only be able to make a claim as being the top program in the MAC (essentially in league with NIU & Toledo), if they maintain success after a coaching change.

NIU's been to 5 straight MACCs with 3 different head coaches and 1 interim HC, while Toledo's sustained success over the same timeframe with 2 different head coaches.

Fleck's gone after next year unless he crashes and burns again (which could very well happen because he has to go to Toledo and NIU). The median salary in the Big Ten currently is around $2 million, so those programs won't bat an eye about coming for him. Plus, I'm curious to see if his buyout was increased at all.

(12-19-2014 09:36 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 08:26 AM)stdatwmu Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 05:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 03:44 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I have a feeling that WMU is betting that the majority of the money in that contract will be paid to WMU by Fleck's next employer and not to Fleck by WMU for being their coach.

Did I get the impression that boosters are ponying up a lot of $ ?

That certainly appears to be the case:

Quote:The remaining $575,000 of the new contract, which runs to Jan. 31, 2021, will come from "external donors," according to the press release.

You could recoup that money with one more money road game. They are going to be harder to find, though. Ohio State has two MAC schools on future schedules and they are done. They have said they will no longer play MAC members. As the Big Ten requires more in conference games, schools like the MAC may have to look elsewhere.

I thought what was said was that they won't schedule FCS anymore and that they will cut back on the amount of MAC teams. I seriously doubt that they will be able to fill their schedule with all P5 every year. They will still need us.

(12-19-2014 11:04 AM)Y-CityCatFan Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 09:36 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 08:26 AM)stdatwmu Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 05:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 03:44 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I have a feeling that WMU is betting that the majority of the money in that contract will be paid to WMU by Fleck's next employer and not to Fleck by WMU for being their coach.

Did I get the impression that boosters are ponying up a lot of $ ?

That certainly appears to be the case:

Quote:The remaining $575,000 of the new contract, which runs to Jan. 31, 2021, will come from "external donors," according to the press release.

You could recoup that money with one more money road game. They are going to be harder to find, though. Ohio State has two MAC schools on future schedules and they are done. They have said they will no longer play MAC members. As the Big Ten requires more in conference games, schools like the MAC may have to look elsewhere.

I thought what was said was that they won't schedule FCS anymore and that they will cut back on the amount of MAC teams. I seriously doubt that they will be able to fill their schedule with all P5 every year. They will still need us.

+1 nor will they want to put their playoff resume at risk. (See VT)

(12-19-2014 09:36 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 08:26 AM)stdatwmu Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 05:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 03:44 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I have a feeling that WMU is betting that the majority of the money in that contract will be paid to WMU by Fleck's next employer and not to Fleck by WMU for being their coach.

Did I get the impression that boosters are ponying up a lot of $ ?

That certainly appears to be the case:

Quote:The remaining $575,000 of the new contract, which runs to Jan. 31, 2021, will come from "external donors," according to the press release.

You could recoup that money with one more money road game. They are going to be harder to find, though. Ohio State has two MAC schools on future schedules and they are done. They have said they will no longer play MAC members. As the Big Ten requires more in conference games, schools like the MAC may have to look elsewhere.

Ohio State plays 1 FCS team, 2 G5 buyout teams, and 1 low level P5 H/H to give them 7/8 OOC home games every 2yrs. They aren't suddenly going to replace 1/3 of their schedule with more challenging games. They are bluffing.

Well play the MAC leaders which they are next year in NIU.

NIU wins and OSU prolly will never play the MAC again.

(12-19-2014 11:04 AM)Y-CityCatFan Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 09:36 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 08:26 AM)stdatwmu Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 05:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 03:44 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I have a feeling that WMU is betting that the majority of the money in that contract will be paid to WMU by Fleck's next employer and not to Fleck by WMU for being their coach.

Did I get the impression that boosters are ponying up a lot of $ ?

That certainly appears to be the case:

Quote:The remaining $575,000 of the new contract, which runs to Jan. 31, 2021, will come from "external donors," according to the press release.

You could recoup that money with one more money road game. They are going to be harder to find, though. Ohio State has two MAC schools on future schedules and they are done. They have said they will no longer play MAC members. As the Big Ten requires more in conference games, schools like the MAC may have to look elsewhere.

I thought what was said was that they won't schedule FCS anymore and that they will cut back on the amount of MAC teams. I seriously doubt that they will be able to fill their schedule with all P5 every year. They will still need us.

Michigan State at home, @ OSU @ TOL @ NIU. @ Georgia Southern wont be a pushover either.

Tough schedule to replicate success

(12-19-2014 03:32 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how the Broncos do against Michigan State and Ohio State next season.

With that nice boost in his salary I wonder how much of all that new found WMU alumni money PJ will be willing to donate to his Alma mater which made it all possible for him?

(12-19-2014 03:30 PM)T-Town Wrote:  With that nice boost in his salary I wonder how much of all that new found WMU alumni money PJ will be willing to donate to his Alma mater which made it all possible for him?

You know how to hurt a guy...

Maybe buy 100 tickets for WMU @ NIU at a discount and donate them to the CYO. :)

(12-19-2014 01:54 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Ohio State plays 1 FCS team, 2 G5 buyout teams, and 1 low level P5 H/H to give them 7/8 OOC home games every 2yrs. They aren't suddenly going to replace 1/3 of their schedule with more challenging games. They are bluffing.

Youngstown in 2008 was their last FCS game, since then its been 3 Go5 buy games and 1 P5 H/H. In 2016, they are "suddenly" going to replace one of those Go5 games with a P5 game, because the conference is going to 9 conference games per season, so they will be 2 Go5 buy games, 1 P5 H/H OOC, with the H/H obviously lined up to be away when they have 5 Big10 schools at home, home when they have 4 Big10 schools at home.

As far as a reduction in the scheduling of MAC schools ... that seems like its automatic. In 2010, 2011, 2015 they had / will have two MAC schools on their schedule, which seems unlikely to happen again starting in 2016, with only 2 Go5 games to schedule.

Beyond that, a year without a MAC school on their schedule might be a year with 2 P5 schools, but is far more likely to be a year with two Go5 schools from other conferences. The scheduling of the open 2017 date will be the first opportunity to show an inclination to keep scheduling one MAC opponent a season.

Nope. Played FAMU last year.

The fallout is starting. Toledo just extended Matt Campbell through 2020, and bumped his base salary from $285k to $495k.

(12-18-2014 09:18 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  MAC fans, the price of playing poker just went up.

True and I wonder how players (schools) will have to drop out because the can't afford the higher stakes. I can see a big shakeup coming in college football because this ridiculous growth in TV/merchandising revenue of the past two decades is totally unsustainable and a lot of schools are not going to be able to justify the expenses required to stay in the game. UAB was the first in a long while to cash in their few remaining chips and get out, but I suspect more will follow and perhaps sooner rather than later.

(12-22-2014 05:50 PM)T-Town Wrote:  UAB was the first in a long while to cash in their few remaining chips and get out, but I suspect more will follow and perhaps sooner rather than later.

UAB was in a truly unique situation, and I'm sick of people using using their example as a portent of doom for an entire class of athletic programs.

(12-22-2014 05:50 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 09:18 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  MAC fans, the price of playing poker just went up.

True and I wonder how players (schools) will have to drop out because the can't afford the higher stakes. I can see a big shakeup coming in college football because this ridiculous growth in TV/merchandising revenue of the past two decades is totally unsustainable and a lot of schools are not going to be able to justify the expenses required to stay in the game. UAB was the first in a long while to cash in their few remaining chips and get out, but I suspect more will follow and perhaps sooner rather than later.

I'll make a few points I've made many times:

1). MAC teams will get say 750K / season for ESPN media money.

2). MAC teams will get say 750K / season for college FB playoff money.

3). MAC teams can get 1M or more for playing teams like OSU.

While expenses (e.g., coaching salaries) are starting to escalate, revenues have been going up faster in recent years (the trend for big money road guarantee games has been going on for a few years now).

So I see revenues rising faster then expenses.

Total cost of attendance does scare me as a new, significant expense item.

(12-22-2014 05:38 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  The fallout is starting. Toledo just extended Matt Campbell through 2020, and bumped his base salary from $285k to $495k.

Likely a direct result of Fleck's deal. Rod Carey will get a pay raise after the bowl game as well.

(12-22-2014 05:38 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  The fallout is starting. Toledo just extended Matt Campbell through 2020, and bumped his base salary from $285k to $495k.

I'm almost positive that is wrong - he is currently at $285k + media bonus = around $350k??? I think the $495k will be his base + media. I could be wrong, but I believe that is right.

(12-22-2014 07:14 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 05:38 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  The fallout is starting. Toledo just extended Matt Campbell through 2020, and bumped his base salary from $285k to $495k.

I'm almost positive that is wrong - he is currently at $285k + media bonus = around $350k??? I think the $495k will be his base + media. I could be wrong, but I believe that is right.

That's right. I thought it was just his base. To me, that's just semantics, though. If it's guaranteed pay, it's all "the base" of the salary that can get bumped up with performance bonuses.

(12-22-2014 08:05 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 07:14 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 05:38 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  The fallout is starting. Toledo just extended Matt Campbell through 2020, and bumped his base salary from $285k to $495k.

I'm almost positive that is wrong - he is currently at $285k + media bonus = around $350k??? I think the $495k will be his base + media. I could be wrong, but I believe that is right.

That's right. I thought it was just his base. To me, that's just semantics, though. If it's guaranteed pay, it's all "the base" of the salary that can get bumped up with performance bonuses.

I agree. So his total compensation is jumping up $20k/yr. It went up $20k with this extension, and will go up $20k/yr. Meanwhile, his buyout stayed the same. It's only $200k if he leaves in 2015.

(12-22-2014 08:21 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 08:05 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 07:14 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 05:38 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  The fallout is starting. Toledo just extended Matt Campbell through 2020, and bumped his base salary from $285k to $495k.

I'm almost positive that is wrong - he is currently at $285k + media bonus = around $350k??? I think the $495k will be his base + media. I could be wrong, but I believe that is right.

That's right. I thought it was just his base. To me, that's just semantics, though. If it's guaranteed pay, it's all "the base" of the salary that can get bumped up with performance bonuses.

I agree. So his total compensation is jumping up $20k/yr. It went up $20k with this extension, and will go up $20k/yr. Meanwhile, his buyout stayed the same. It's only $200k if he leaves in 2015.