(12-07-2014 06:39 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  I was in the minority last time when UCF left CUSA.

I'll probably be in the minority again if any team from the AAC moves to the Big 12.

I'm sick of it. I like playing USF, ECU, Tulsa, and the rest every year. Money shouldn't exist, burn all of it.

I completely understand this point of view.

Obvious disclaimer: of course you take the upgrade if you get the chance. The TV money alone is sufficient reason.

Otherwise, IF ALL THINGS WERE EQUAL, I love the AAC. I love my away games in Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Memphis, Cinci, New Orleans, etc. I don't want my away games in Waco, Ames Iowa, Lubbock, Oklahoma, etc. Horrible destinations, can't get a direct flight to these places from anywhere.

I also love being in a conference with largely similar schools. Big schools in urban environments. Houston, USF, UCF, Temple, etc. have much in common. When you are in these cities, after the game there is TONS to do and see! Plus many of us have the same 'big brother' problem.

This conference from top to bottom feels very right. It's just a darn shame that ESPN totally SCREWED us. It was only the instability that resulted in us getting shafted for 2 mil per school. My hope is that in just a couple years, our early look in, that Aresco somehow manages to get us the 4-5 mil we're worth. That, plus a few years of stability under our belts, and folks may view the AAC as a legit conference.

Ok a couple of things. Fsu and tech aren't going anywhere due to the gor. Second fsu is still miffed it was being held off waiting while the b12 tried to get ND to join. Third tech isn't going anywhere because of the academics and research ties they have with the ACC. Fourth UCF was #94 among public universities and 170 overall. Up until this year I believe usf and Ucf were within a couple of spots of eachother. UL is 161 with a 71% acceptance rate. Not anything like most of the ACC but not dogs either. Fifth the B12 would absolutely take UCF. Fifth the key to any B12 move is money and the look in isn't for two years. They will exhaust their 10 team championship and 8 team playoff options first. They will look at candidates this summer in earnest as a backup plan for the 2016 look in. The b1gs contract will affect the payout. Currently espn has a piece. If the b1g goes on it's own they will try to build another brand. The b12 has a problem with tier three rights, a media deal that is split between fox/espn, and the LHN. Unless those are all resolved it's immaterial. Our value and everyone else's is tied to markets. If espn starts losing them or fox decides to spend money due to low viewership I expect things to happen. Remember fox has the nfl and espn has cfb. Espn will protect it's turf. The b1g making money independently will be a big driver going forward.

(12-07-2014 09:24 PM)Wavetime Wrote:  I don't think anyone from any P5 school will be going to the Big 12. I also don't think the Big 12 is going to expand. If Ga Tech beats Fla St and Wisconsin shows up then people would be asking how the Big 12 got 2 teams in. The Big 12 is not broken they just had 2 smaller schools get dukes by a large connected school with money.

The Big 12 just signed a new contract and will not water down their revenue stream.

Not only that but they were penalized for their nonconference schedule where betweeen the two only played 1 P5 team Minnesota.

If you aren't called Texas or Oklahoma you can't afford the nonconference both those schools played.

Now on a flip side think what would had happened had FSU and OSU lost their championship games?
TCU and Baylor would BOTH had been in and we would be here talking about how smart the Big12 was by not having a championship game.

Lastly bowlsby wears his heart on his sleeve and shoots from the hip. You have a coach of a team who may have missed out on a national championship chewing him out. A conference who lost out on serious bowl money and a lot of pissed off presidents. They will be talking Monday and he will have to have a plan together stat. If the b12 hopes to stick together after the gor expires they better have an answer for tx if there are multiple winners/co champions.

(12-07-2014 09:43 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Lastly bowlsby wears his heart on his sleeve and shoots from the hip. You have a coach of a team who may have missed out on a national championship chewing him out. A conference who lost out on serious bowl money and a lot of pissed off presidents. They will be talking Monday and he will have to have a plan together stat. If the b12 hopes to stick together after the gor expires they better have an answer for tx if there are multiple winners/co champions.

See my post above. That's exactly what he will point out to them

(12-07-2014 07:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:15 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:08 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I think going to an 8 team playoff will stop the Big 12 from expanding.

That and if the big 12 would have just had a conference championship game, either TCU or Baylor would be in instead of Ohio St.

I still think the committee would have found a way to get OSU in. This is all about money and TV ratings and OSU trumps both Baylor and TCU

Or even more realistic yet; if Texas Christian was Texas or if Baylor was Oklahoma; then the B12 would have had a representative in the playoff.

TCU and Baylor just learned their place in the World of playoff college football. Only about 15 schools (maybe a just of couple more) will play for a championship, but it is not likely be Baylor, Texas Tech, North Carolina State, Wake Forest, Northwestern, TCU, Rutgers, Minnesota and the Vanderbilt's of the P5.

(12-07-2014 09:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:43 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Lastly bowlsby wears his heart on his sleeve and shoots from the hip. You have a coach of a team who may have missed out on a national championship chewing him out. A conference who lost out on serious bowl money and a lot of pissed off presidents. They will be talking Monday and he will have to have a plan together stat. If the b12 hopes to stick together after the gor expires they better have an answer for tx if there are multiple winners/co champions.

See my post above. That's exactly what he will point out to them

Maybe. It wasn't bowlsby that was against expansion. Tx has new leadership that is supposed to be more expansion friendly. He could take this opportunity as I told you so. Would be a heck of a legacy builder. Fwiw he followed up with a PC answer.

Baylors future schedules includes only 1 P5 school
Duke
The rest is made of Rice,SMU,UTSA
1AA Lamar, NWST,Liberty
And somebody named
Incarnate Word

Give me a break if you think that's something that should put you in the playoffs.

That's what the commish will tell them

(12-07-2014 09:49 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:43 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Lastly bowlsby wears his heart on his sleeve and shoots from the hip. You have a coach of a team who may have missed out on a national championship chewing him out. A conference who lost out on serious bowl money and a lot of pissed off presidents. They will be talking Monday and he will have to have a plan together stat. If the b12 hopes to stick together after the gor expires they better have an answer for tx if there are multiple winners/co champions.

See my post above. That's exactly what he will point out to them

Maybe. It wasn't bowlsby that was against expansion. Tx has new leadership that is supposed to be more expansion friendly. He could take this opportunity as I told you so. Would be a heck of a legacy builder. Fwiw he followed up with a PC answer.

But once again expansion is NOT the answer for them at this point. First it doesn't cure the crappy nonconference that both Baylor and TCU had. Their TV contract is NOT based on TV markets as the others, so expansion would not bring them more money until the contract runs out.
I know many here are salivating at getting the Big 12 golden ticket but the facts are that expanding with AAC schools does NOT solve their issues and would cost them money.

NVM

(12-07-2014 09:53 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:49 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:43 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Lastly bowlsby wears his heart on his sleeve and shoots from the hip. You have a coach of a team who may have missed out on a national championship chewing him out. A conference who lost out on serious bowl money and a lot of pissed off presidents. They will be talking Monday and he will have to have a plan together stat. If the b12 hopes to stick together after the gor expires they better have an answer for tx if there are multiple winners/co champions.

See my post above. That's exactly what he will point out to them

Maybe. It wasn't bowlsby that was against expansion. Tx has new leadership that is supposed to be more expansion friendly. He could take this opportunity as I told you so. Would be a heck of a legacy builder. Fwiw he followed up with a PC answer.

But once again expansion is NOT the answer for them at this point. First it doesn't cure the crappy nonconference that both Baylor and TCU had. Their TV contract is NOT based on TV markets as the others, so expansion would not bring them more money until the contract runs out.
I know many here are salivating at getting the Big 12 golden ticket but the facts are that expanding with AAC schools does NOT solve their issues and would cost them money.

Agreed that was my point. These decisions aren't followed through with over night unless you are the big east as it falls apart. They will explore the other options first and the b1g will be a factor. After that it will be how much fox or espn have to pay to buy eachother out. Then the lhn would have to be negotiated. The wildcard is Memphis paying for themselves and cincy for a few years. Another option is byu signs and Memphis pays for itself

UCF is never going to be in a conference with Texas and Oklahoma.

I'll be more pissed if someone else from our conference moves up and we don't. If no one moves I'll be fine with that. Slim chance that 1 or 2 teams don't move on.

(12-07-2014 07:02 PM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  Big 12 is a better conference in football and Georgia Tech is a football school not a basketball school. I could also see Florida St. leaving after going undefeated and almost being snubbed by the play-off committee. Regardless there is no way the big 12 takes UCF in my opinion.

Recently, the Big 12 has had better basketball than the ACC, so it's not just a football conference.

(12-07-2014 10:07 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  UCF is never going to be in a conference with Texas and Oklahoma.

Do some research on orangebloods

Orangeboods doesn't have a vote. The Florida twins are no longer being considered

Any school in this conference will jump at an invite to a P5 conference. If it happens to be UCF, I'll be overjoyed.

That being said, I don't think any of us are going anywhere any time soon.

I notice a trend from USF fans...you guys just don't want any conference realignment bc your program is in a very bad spot right now. Cinci, UCF, and Memphis would probably be the 3 most likely candidates then BYU as an independent. This ACC poach talk is crazy, their members are happy there

(12-07-2014 10:21 PM)knightastic Wrote:  I notice a trend from USF fans...you guys just don't want any conference realignment bc your program is in a very bad spot right now. Cinci, UCF, and Memphis would probably be the 3 most likely candidates then BYU as an independent. This ACC poach talk is crazy, their members are happy there

Dude are you crazy! USF is for sure the 1st choice! and then BYU! and UCF is behind Houston and SMU and there is like 5 schools in front of them.

(12-07-2014 10:29 PM)The_Goat Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 10:21 PM)knightastic Wrote:  I notice a trend from USF fans...you guys just don't want any conference realignment bc your program is in a very bad spot right now. Cinci, UCF, and Memphis would probably be the 3 most likely candidates then BYU as an independent. This ACC poach talk is crazy, their members are happy there

Dude are you crazy! USF is for sure the 1st choice! and then BYU! and UCF is behind Houston and SMU and there is like 5 schools in front of them.

step your troll game up.

What is with these Memphis fans? You guys are acting like you went undefeated this season