(12-04-2014 03:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 03:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 02:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If team A wins by an average of 10 points, but has a 1-point loss,
while team F wins by an average of 5 points, but is undefeated,
which is better?

The thing about the loss is it defines the limit of the one-loss team; mathematically, we don't know what it takes to beat the undefeated team because it hasn't happened yet. Extrapolations based on margin of victory are just that.

If they played the same schedule yes. However, if Team A has played a much harder schedule- with say 8 Bowl Eligible P5 teams and a 58-37 record of all P5 teams they beat(best such record in the country), and a MOV of 16 in those games- compared to Team F with say 7 Bowl Eligible P5 teams and a 67-63 record of all P5 teams they beat, and a MOV of 13.9 in those games- pretty easy to rate team A ahead of team F.

Which team is which here?

TCU has played 6 bowl eligible P5 teams.
FSU has played 7 bowl eligible P5 teams & plays #8 this weekend.
Oregon has played 6 bowl eligible P5 teams & plays #7 this weekend.

If Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma this weekend, that gives FSU & TCU an extra win against a bowl eligible team, making TCU 6-1, FSU 9-0, and Oregon 6-1.

Unless you're talking about Alabama, because Alabama has played 9 bowl eligible P5 teams & plays #10 this weekend. But I don't think anyone's arguing about them taking the #1 spot.

Some of these dopes literally talk out of their butt as if they were born with no mouth.

It appears that's exactly what he did, compare FSU blindly to Alabama in a discussion primarily focused on FSU/TCU. Go figure. If both FSU and TCU win this weekend, FSU will still have more games against P5, still have more wins against bowl eligible P5, and its P5 wins will also have a better winning% than TCU's. Dane basically holds true in FSU vs Oregon/Ohio State/Baylor, too.

Not to mention SIX of FSU's opponents have had either a bye or hosted an FCS the week prior to facing FSU; literally half of our opponents.

http://www.fbschedules.com/2014/12/is-fl...justified/

(12-04-2014 10:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 10:12 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:18 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The idea that the committee is trying to match teams based on location is pure speculation on this board

I don't think their poll is much different than a power poll that Dennis Dodd or someone at ESPN might create

I agree. No way they are moving teams around right because of location/ matchups.

FSU has not played a top team, and they have struggled to win against several middling teams. It's that simple. The Massey composite has them 5th despite being undefeated, and Vegas type power rankings have them even worse. They are still ranked in the top 4 because they are undefeated and the defending champs. They will make the playoff if they win, but their body of work just doesn't match up well, other than being undefeated.

it changes though with a win this weekend. Gives them a 3rd ranked win(same as TCU).

FSU has four ranked wins. Remember when talking about alabama and Miss st, they made it clear they use rankings when games were played. so and was number 5, Clemson was 23, louisville 25, and Georgia tech 11. Its funny comparing who else has two top 12 wins (assuming a win on Saturday). Alabama has one. Oregon would have two (again assuming a win). TCU has two. Ohio state has one. Baylor would have two. Arizona would have two (it they bear Oregon). Two top -2 wins: only team with no losses. And yet they could actually find themselves outside the top four. SMH

No one can deny what the committee is doing to FSU is absolutely ridiculous. Margin of victory wasn't supposed to be a part of the equation but evidently it is. I keep hearing the, "well FSU has barely beaten average teams". Did anyone factor in whether they were rivalry games? Whether the other teams had bye weeks or played FCS opponents before playing FSU? Or the fact these "middling" teams are more than capable of beating good teams....like Florida crushing Georgia or BC beating USC.

TCU in no shape or form should be rated ahead of FSU. FSU has played a tougher schedule and is UNDEFEATED. So I don't even understand why it's up for debate. TCU struggled with Kansas, needed a last second FG to beat WV, and oh they lost by giving up 61 points to Baylor.

Seriously folks, go buy some tissues or something and take a reality pill. Where FSU plays is more important than whether they are ranked third or fourth.

It is like children fighting over two identical toys because one is red and one is blue. Just because you told the two kids that the red toy is better than the blue toy, doesn't mean that it is.

Alabama is pretty much the undisputed #1 team. Personally I think Oregon could have just as easily been there but Alabama was the easier choice. After that choice, the rest of the rankings matter less about whether FSU or TCU is better than about where is the best locations to put the two teams at.

This guy telling others to go buy tissues. O rly? Fascinating considering the topics you fixate on.

(12-04-2014 11:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Seriously folks, go buy some tissues or something and take a reality pill. Where FSU plays is more important than whether they are ranked third or fourth.

It is like children fighting over two identical toys because one is red and one is blue. Just because you told the two kids that the red toy is better than the blue toy, doesn't mean that it is.

Alabama is pretty much the undisputed #1 team. Personally I think Oregon could have just as easily been there but Alabama was the easier choice. After that choice, the rest of the rankings matter less about whether FSU or TCU is better than about where is the best locations to put the two teams at.

What is stopping the committee from dropping FSU again if they struggle against GT but still win the game? The logic doesn't make sense and the rules seem to change each week.

Who you play is just as important as where you play. The first semifinal game is slightly less than 1 month from now. SO teams get about 3 1/2 to 4 weeks to prepare. The second game in less than 2 weeks after the semifinal so you have less time to prepare. Would you like a month to prepare for Bama or a week and a half? Same goes for the other teams as well.

(12-04-2014 11:22 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  This guy telling others to go buy tissues. O rly? Fascinating considering the topics you fixate on.

So incredibly weak. This is one of the topics that I "fixate" on and low and behold.....here you are.


Don't make it so damn easy to laugh at you FSU fan. Would you really rather have FSU playing in the Rose Bowl than in the Sugar Bowl?

Something tells me you will just attack me again rather than answer the question but how about you go ahead and surprise me?

(12-04-2014 11:22 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Seriously folks, go buy some tissues or something and take a reality pill. Where FSU plays is more important than whether they are ranked third or fourth.

It is like children fighting over two identical toys because one is red and one is blue. Just because you told the two kids that the red toy is better than the blue toy, doesn't mean that it is.

Alabama is pretty much the undisputed #1 team. Personally I think Oregon could have just as easily been there but Alabama was the easier choice. After that choice, the rest of the rankings matter less about whether FSU or TCU is better than about where is the best locations to put the two teams at.

What is stopping the committee from dropping FSU again if they struggle against GT but still win the game? The logic doesn't make sense and the rules seem to change each week.

Who you play is just as important as where you play. The first semifinal game is slightly less than 1 month from now. SO teams get about 3 1/2 to 4 weeks to prepare. The second game in less than 2 weeks after the semifinal so you have less time to prepare. Would you like a month to prepare for Bama or a week and a half? Same goes for the other teams as well.

Oregon isn't a pushover and that is across the entire country. Have you ever had jet lag? FSU fans are terrible at following that team. They are much more likely to go to New Orleans than they are to Pasadena.

You think FSU has a better chance to beat Oregon with poor fan participation than the chance they have against Alabama close to home with a loud crowd? Alabama isn't THAT good and Oregon is pretty damn good with Mariota. He is better than Winston this year, by quite a bit.

(12-04-2014 11:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:22 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Seriously folks, go buy some tissues or something and take a reality pill. Where FSU plays is more important than whether they are ranked third or fourth.

It is like children fighting over two identical toys because one is red and one is blue. Just because you told the two kids that the red toy is better than the blue toy, doesn't mean that it is.

Alabama is pretty much the undisputed #1 team. Personally I think Oregon could have just as easily been there but Alabama was the easier choice. After that choice, the rest of the rankings matter less about whether FSU or TCU is better than about where is the best locations to put the two teams at.

What is stopping the committee from dropping FSU again if they struggle against GT but still win the game? The logic doesn't make sense and the rules seem to change each week.

Who you play is just as important as where you play. The first semifinal game is slightly less than 1 month from now. SO teams get about 3 1/2 to 4 weeks to prepare. The second game in less than 2 weeks after the semifinal so you have less time to prepare. Would you like a month to prepare for Bama or a week and a half? Same goes for the other teams as well.

Oregon isn't a pushover and that is across the entire country. Have you ever had jet lag? FSU fans are terrible at following that team. They are much more likely to go to New Orleans than they are to Pasadena.

You think FSU has a better chance to beat Oregon with poor fan participation than the chance they have against Alabama close to home with a loud crowd? Alabama isn't THAT good and Oregon is pretty damn good with Mariota. He is better than Winston this year, by quite a bit.

New Orleans is the closer location for Bama, FSU, TCU, Baylor, and Ohio State. Oregon is the only one close to the Rose Bowl. FSU went out there last year and won the national title so I think they'd be okay. If Oregon can lose at home to Arizona, they most certainly can lose to FSU or whomever in the Rose Bowl.

Yeah yeah Mariota is good. I just don't remember him being undefeated in 2 years.

(12-04-2014 11:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Seriously folks, go buy some tissues or something and take a reality pill. Where FSU plays is more important than whether they are ranked third or fourth.

It is like children fighting over two identical toys because one is red and one is blue. Just because you told the two kids that the red toy is better than the blue toy, doesn't mean that it is.

Alabama is pretty much the undisputed #1 team. Personally I think Oregon could have just as easily been there but Alabama was the easier choice. After that choice, the rest of the rankings matter less about whether FSU or TCU is better than about where is the best locations to put the two teams at.

It's worth mentioning that while more FSU fans can make it to the sugar bowl, it will be more of a road game than if they playee in the rose bowl. Also TCU is closer to the sugar bowl than FSU. So that argument doesn't jive to me.

(12-04-2014 11:48 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:22 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Seriously folks, go buy some tissues or something and take a reality pill. Where FSU plays is more important than whether they are ranked third or fourth.

It is like children fighting over two identical toys because one is red and one is blue. Just because you told the two kids that the red toy is better than the blue toy, doesn't mean that it is.

Alabama is pretty much the undisputed #1 team. Personally I think Oregon could have just as easily been there but Alabama was the easier choice. After that choice, the rest of the rankings matter less about whether FSU or TCU is better than about where is the best locations to put the two teams at.

What is stopping the committee from dropping FSU again if they struggle against GT but still win the game? The logic doesn't make sense and the rules seem to change each week.

Who you play is just as important as where you play. The first semifinal game is slightly less than 1 month from now. SO teams get about 3 1/2 to 4 weeks to prepare. The second game in less than 2 weeks after the semifinal so you have less time to prepare. Would you like a month to prepare for Bama or a week and a half? Same goes for the other teams as well.

Oregon isn't a pushover and that is across the entire country. Have you ever had jet lag? FSU fans are terrible at following that team. They are much more likely to go to New Orleans than they are to Pasadena.

You think FSU has a better chance to beat Oregon with poor fan participation than the chance they have against Alabama close to home with a loud crowd? Alabama isn't THAT good and Oregon is pretty damn good with Mariota. He is better than Winston this year, by quite a bit.

New Orleans is the closer location for Bama, FSU, TCU, Baylor, and Ohio State. Oregon is the only one close to the Rose Bowl. FSU went out there last year and won the national title so I think they'd be okay. If Oregon can lose at home to Arizona, they most certainly can lose to FSU or whomever in the Rose Bowl.

Yeah yeah Mariota is good. I just don't remember him being undefeated in 2 years.

Winning a title this year isn't a one game proposition like it was last year. Florida State didn't have to play again after doing that last year. It will make a difference. They will have travelled and the winner of Alabama/TCU won't have.

You cant win this argument, there is no argument you can make that travelling across the entire country is worth "the respect" of being ranked third instead of fourth. It's silly, I'm sorry. I am not saying you are silly, I am not attacking you. You aren't the only one caught up in all this madness. People just need to realize it doesn't matter as much as they think it does.

(12-04-2014 11:49 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Seriously folks, go buy some tissues or something and take a reality pill. Where FSU plays is more important than whether they are ranked third or fourth.

It is like children fighting over two identical toys because one is red and one is blue. Just because you told the two kids that the red toy is better than the blue toy, doesn't mean that it is.

Alabama is pretty much the undisputed #1 team. Personally I think Oregon could have just as easily been there but Alabama was the easier choice. After that choice, the rest of the rankings matter less about whether FSU or TCU is better than about where is the best locations to put the two teams at.

It's worth mentioning that while more FSU fans can make it to the sugar bowl, it will be more of a road game than if they playee in the rose bowl. Also TCU is closer to the sugar bowl than FSU. So that argument doesn't jive to me.

I'm not talking about TCU, I'm talking about FSU and all the people throwing a fit over the "massive insult" that being moved down to 4th place supposedly is.

As far as TCU goes, they just got into the top four and if Baylor wins Saturday, TCU wont even be the conference champion of their own conference. At least Florida State control their own destiny in that regard.

Your TCU counterpoint means nothing in a conversation about this. In fact, your little statement about TCU being even closer to the Sugar Bowl actually STRENGTHENS my argument that this likely was done to benefit FSU. TCU certainly would benefit from being in that #4 slot and going to the Sugar Bowl instead. They didn't get that though, instead the committee shocked everyone with a move that, on it's own, doesn't make any sense. Therefore the reasoning for it must be something different from the usual. The Committee is fixing the pairings and FSU actually got the better deal by being ranked #4.

(12-05-2014 12:10 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:48 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:22 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Seriously folks, go buy some tissues or something and take a reality pill. Where FSU plays is more important than whether they are ranked third or fourth.

It is like children fighting over two identical toys because one is red and one is blue. Just because you told the two kids that the red toy is better than the blue toy, doesn't mean that it is.

Alabama is pretty much the undisputed #1 team. Personally I think Oregon could have just as easily been there but Alabama was the easier choice. After that choice, the rest of the rankings matter less about whether FSU or TCU is better than about where is the best locations to put the two teams at.

What is stopping the committee from dropping FSU again if they struggle against GT but still win the game? The logic doesn't make sense and the rules seem to change each week.

Who you play is just as important as where you play. The first semifinal game is slightly less than 1 month from now. SO teams get about 3 1/2 to 4 weeks to prepare. The second game in less than 2 weeks after the semifinal so you have less time to prepare. Would you like a month to prepare for Bama or a week and a half? Same goes for the other teams as well.

Oregon isn't a pushover and that is across the entire country. Have you ever had jet lag? FSU fans are terrible at following that team. They are much more likely to go to New Orleans than they are to Pasadena.

You think FSU has a better chance to beat Oregon with poor fan participation than the chance they have against Alabama close to home with a loud crowd? Alabama isn't THAT good and Oregon is pretty damn good with Mariota. He is better than Winston this year, by quite a bit.

New Orleans is the closer location for Bama, FSU, TCU, Baylor, and Ohio State. Oregon is the only one close to the Rose Bowl. FSU went out there last year and won the national title so I think they'd be okay. If Oregon can lose at home to Arizona, they most certainly can lose to FSU or whomever in the Rose Bowl.

Yeah yeah Mariota is good. I just don't remember him being undefeated in 2 years.

Winning a title this year isn't a one game proposition like it was last year. Florida State didn't have to play again after doing that last year. It will make a difference. They will have travelled and the winner of Alabama/TCU won't have.

You cant win this argument, there is no argument you can make that travelling across the entire country is worth "the respect" of being ranked third instead of fourth. It's silly, I'm sorry. I am not saying you are silly, I am not attacking you. You aren't the only one caught up in all this madness. People just need to realize it doesn't matter as much as they think it does.

That wasn't even my argument. TCU isn't worthy of being third because FSU has a better resume period. The semifinal locations are just icing on the cake.

I don't recall you answering my question about what's stopping the committee from moving FSU to 5

(12-05-2014 12:14 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:49 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Seriously folks, go buy some tissues or something and take a reality pill. Where FSU plays is more important than whether they are ranked third or fourth.

It is like children fighting over two identical toys because one is red and one is blue. Just because you told the two kids that the red toy is better than the blue toy, doesn't mean that it is.

Alabama is pretty much the undisputed #1 team. Personally I think Oregon could have just as easily been there but Alabama was the easier choice. After that choice, the rest of the rankings matter less about whether FSU or TCU is better than about where is the best locations to put the two teams at.

It's worth mentioning that while more FSU fans can make it to the sugar bowl, it will be more of a road game than if they playee in the rose bowl. Also TCU is closer to the sugar bowl than FSU. So that argument doesn't jive to me.

I'm not talking about TCU, I'm talking about FSU and all the people throwing a fit over the "massive insult" that being moved down to 4th place supposedly is.

As far as TCU goes, they just got into the top four and if Baylor wins Saturday, TCU wont even be the conference champion of their own conference. At least Florida State control their own destiny in that regard.

Your TCU counterpoint means nothing in a conversation about this. In fact, your little statement about TCU being even closer to the Sugar Bowl actually STRENGTHENS my argument that this likely was done to benefit FSU. TCU certainly would benefit from being in that #4 slot and going to the Sugar Bowl instead. They didn't get that though, instead the committee shocked everyone with a move that, on it's own, doesn't make any sense. Therefore the reasoning for it must be something different from the usual. The Committee is fixing the pairings and FSU actually got the better deal by being ranked #4.

No. The TCU point proves your hypothesis is meaningless. You don't lower the rank of a team for placement and make them play a "better" team closer to that team's home turf as a "favor." Even the NCAA tournament, which does this thpe of thing, never moves teams from the one line for location: only the lower teams. This is so mind-numbingly stupid i don't know where to begin.

(12-05-2014 12:15 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:10 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:48 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:22 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  What is stopping the committee from dropping FSU again if they struggle against GT but still win the game? The logic doesn't make sense and the rules seem to change each week.

Who you play is just as important as where you play. The first semifinal game is slightly less than 1 month from now. SO teams get about 3 1/2 to 4 weeks to prepare. The second game in less than 2 weeks after the semifinal so you have less time to prepare. Would you like a month to prepare for Bama or a week and a half? Same goes for the other teams as well.

Oregon isn't a pushover and that is across the entire country. Have you ever had jet lag? FSU fans are terrible at following that team. They are much more likely to go to New Orleans than they are to Pasadena.

You think FSU has a better chance to beat Oregon with poor fan participation than the chance they have against Alabama close to home with a loud crowd? Alabama isn't THAT good and Oregon is pretty damn good with Mariota. He is better than Winston this year, by quite a bit.

New Orleans is the closer location for Bama, FSU, TCU, Baylor, and Ohio State. Oregon is the only one close to the Rose Bowl. FSU went out there last year and won the national title so I think they'd be okay. If Oregon can lose at home to Arizona, they most certainly can lose to FSU or whomever in the Rose Bowl.

Yeah yeah Mariota is good. I just don't remember him being undefeated in 2 years.

Winning a title this year isn't a one game proposition like it was last year. Florida State didn't have to play again after doing that last year. It will make a difference. They will have travelled and the winner of Alabama/TCU won't have.

You cant win this argument, there is no argument you can make that travelling across the entire country is worth "the respect" of being ranked third instead of fourth. It's silly, I'm sorry. I am not saying you are silly, I am not attacking you. You aren't the only one caught up in all this madness. People just need to realize it doesn't matter as much as they think it does.

That wasn't even my argument. TCU isn't worthy of being third because FSU has a better resume period. The semifinal locations are just icing on the cake.

I don't recall you answering my question about what's stopping the committee from moving FSU to 5

Well the argument about TCU is a different one entirely. It is also one where you wouldn't get an argument out of me. I deal with the here and now. Whether or not they deserve it is opinion and there are only 12 opinions that matter. Mine isn't one of them. I just try to get ahead of what happens.

You are right, I forgot to answer the FSU to #5 question. The honest answer is that there is nothing to stop them from doing that except....massive blowback. I really don't think they will kick out the undefeated defending champions. They might move them down to #4 but that is it in my opinion.

Take that for what you will.

(12-05-2014 12:19 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:14 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:49 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Seriously folks, go buy some tissues or something and take a reality pill. Where FSU plays is more important than whether they are ranked third or fourth.

It is like children fighting over two identical toys because one is red and one is blue. Just because you told the two kids that the red toy is better than the blue toy, doesn't mean that it is.

Alabama is pretty much the undisputed #1 team. Personally I think Oregon could have just as easily been there but Alabama was the easier choice. After that choice, the rest of the rankings matter less about whether FSU or TCU is better than about where is the best locations to put the two teams at.

It's worth mentioning that while more FSU fans can make it to the sugar bowl, it will be more of a road game than if they playee in the rose bowl. Also TCU is closer to the sugar bowl than FSU. So that argument doesn't jive to me.

I'm not talking about TCU, I'm talking about FSU and all the people throwing a fit over the "massive insult" that being moved down to 4th place supposedly is.

As far as TCU goes, they just got into the top four and if Baylor wins Saturday, TCU wont even be the conference champion of their own conference. At least Florida State control their own destiny in that regard.

Your TCU counterpoint means nothing in a conversation about this. In fact, your little statement about TCU being even closer to the Sugar Bowl actually STRENGTHENS my argument that this likely was done to benefit FSU. TCU certainly would benefit from being in that #4 slot and going to the Sugar Bowl instead. They didn't get that though, instead the committee shocked everyone with a move that, on it's own, doesn't make any sense. Therefore the reasoning for it must be something different from the usual. The Committee is fixing the pairings and FSU actually got the better deal by being ranked #4.

I don't know where to begin.

Don't worry, I wont hold that against you.

Alabama is the #1 line. There are not multiple brackets. Therefore everyone else gets maneuvered after Alabama as per your stated evidence from the NCAA Tournament. Come on now....keep up.

(12-05-2014 12:21 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:15 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:10 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:48 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Oregon isn't a pushover and that is across the entire country. Have you ever had jet lag? FSU fans are terrible at following that team. They are much more likely to go to New Orleans than they are to Pasadena.

You think FSU has a better chance to beat Oregon with poor fan participation than the chance they have against Alabama close to home with a loud crowd? Alabama isn't THAT good and Oregon is pretty damn good with Mariota. He is better than Winston this year, by quite a bit.

New Orleans is the closer location for Bama, FSU, TCU, Baylor, and Ohio State. Oregon is the only one close to the Rose Bowl. FSU went out there last year and won the national title so I think they'd be okay. If Oregon can lose at home to Arizona, they most certainly can lose to FSU or whomever in the Rose Bowl.

Yeah yeah Mariota is good. I just don't remember him being undefeated in 2 years.

Winning a title this year isn't a one game proposition like it was last year. Florida State didn't have to play again after doing that last year. It will make a difference. They will have travelled and the winner of Alabama/TCU won't have.

You cant win this argument, there is no argument you can make that travelling across the entire country is worth "the respect" of being ranked third instead of fourth. It's silly, I'm sorry. I am not saying you are silly, I am not attacking you. You aren't the only one caught up in all this madness. People just need to realize it doesn't matter as much as they think it does.

That wasn't even my argument. TCU isn't worthy of being third because FSU has a better resume period. The semifinal locations are just icing on the cake.

I don't recall you answering my question about what's stopping the committee from moving FSU to 5

Well the argument about TCU is a different one entirely. It is also one where you wouldn't get an argument out of me. I deal with the here and now. Whether or not they deserve it is opinion and there are only 12 opinions that matter. Mine isn't one of them. I just try to get ahead of what happens.

You are right, I forgot to answer the FSU to #5 question. The honest answer is that there is nothing to stop them from doing that except....massive blowback. I really don't think they will kick out the undefeated defending champions. They might move them down to #4 but that is it in my opinion.

Take that for what you will.

And if they do move them down I hope the ACC declines every bowl bid

(12-05-2014 12:33 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:21 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:15 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:10 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:48 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  New Orleans is the closer location for Bama, FSU, TCU, Baylor, and Ohio State. Oregon is the only one close to the Rose Bowl. FSU went out there last year and won the national title so I think they'd be okay. If Oregon can lose at home to Arizona, they most certainly can lose to FSU or whomever in the Rose Bowl.

Yeah yeah Mariota is good. I just don't remember him being undefeated in 2 years.

Winning a title this year isn't a one game proposition like it was last year. Florida State didn't have to play again after doing that last year. It will make a difference. They will have travelled and the winner of Alabama/TCU won't have.

You cant win this argument, there is no argument you can make that travelling across the entire country is worth "the respect" of being ranked third instead of fourth. It's silly, I'm sorry. I am not saying you are silly, I am not attacking you. You aren't the only one caught up in all this madness. People just need to realize it doesn't matter as much as they think it does.

That wasn't even my argument. TCU isn't worthy of being third because FSU has a better resume period. The semifinal locations are just icing on the cake.

I don't recall you answering my question about what's stopping the committee from moving FSU to 5

Well the argument about TCU is a different one entirely. It is also one where you wouldn't get an argument out of me. I deal with the here and now. Whether or not they deserve it is opinion and there are only 12 opinions that matter. Mine isn't one of them. I just try to get ahead of what happens.

You are right, I forgot to answer the FSU to #5 question. The honest answer is that there is nothing to stop them from doing that except....massive blowback. I really don't think they will kick out the undefeated defending champions. They might move them down to #4 but that is it in my opinion.

Take that for what you will.

And if they do move them down I hope the ACC declines every bowl bid

Very small chance that happens but...if it did, how in the hell does the ACC declining to go to any bowl games help their situation? That would be an emotional move, not a strong financial move.

(12-05-2014 12:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:33 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:21 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:15 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:10 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Winning a title this year isn't a one game proposition like it was last year. Florida State didn't have to play again after doing that last year. It will make a difference. They will have travelled and the winner of Alabama/TCU won't have.

You cant win this argument, there is no argument you can make that travelling across the entire country is worth "the respect" of being ranked third instead of fourth. It's silly, I'm sorry. I am not saying you are silly, I am not attacking you. You aren't the only one caught up in all this madness. People just need to realize it doesn't matter as much as they think it does.

That wasn't even my argument. TCU isn't worthy of being third because FSU has a better resume period. The semifinal locations are just icing on the cake.

I don't recall you answering my question about what's stopping the committee from moving FSU to 5

Well the argument about TCU is a different one entirely. It is also one where you wouldn't get an argument out of me. I deal with the here and now. Whether or not they deserve it is opinion and there are only 12 opinions that matter. Mine isn't one of them. I just try to get ahead of what happens.

You are right, I forgot to answer the FSU to #5 question. The honest answer is that there is nothing to stop them from doing that except....massive blowback. I really don't think they will kick out the undefeated defending champions. They might move them down to #4 but that is it in my opinion.

Take that for what you will.

And if they do move them down I hope the ACC declines every bowl bid

Very small chance that happens but...if it did, how in the hell does the ACC declining to go to any bowl games help their situation? That would be an emotional move, not a strong financial move.

If the committee devalues your undefeated champion by not including them in a playoff, what future message is that sending? That message also has financial ramifications. It would be the biggest slight in the history of college football and would basically put the ACC as a second rate conference in perception. How many millions would that cost?

(12-05-2014 12:43 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:33 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:21 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:15 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  That wasn't even my argument. TCU isn't worthy of being third because FSU has a better resume period. The semifinal locations are just icing on the cake.

I don't recall you answering my question about what's stopping the committee from moving FSU to 5

Well the argument about TCU is a different one entirely. It is also one where you wouldn't get an argument out of me. I deal with the here and now. Whether or not they deserve it is opinion and there are only 12 opinions that matter. Mine isn't one of them. I just try to get ahead of what happens.

You are right, I forgot to answer the FSU to #5 question. The honest answer is that there is nothing to stop them from doing that except....massive blowback. I really don't think they will kick out the undefeated defending champions. They might move them down to #4 but that is it in my opinion.

Take that for what you will.

And if they do move them down I hope the ACC declines every bowl bid

Very small chance that happens but...if it did, how in the hell does the ACC declining to go to any bowl games help their situation? That would be an emotional move, not a strong financial move.

If the committee devalues your undefeated champion by not including them in a playoff, what future message is that sending? That message also has financial ramifications. It would be the biggest slight in the history of college football and would basically put the ACC as a second rate conference in perception. How many millions would that cost?

I don't know but I don't think adding more millions to it is going to change anything except the bottom line of the ACC.

That being said, I would say there is zero percent chance that they bring either Ohio State or Baylor ahead of Florida State if FSU wins against GT.

Kansas State is ranked #9. GT is ranked #11. Wisconsin is ranked #13.

It is a wash between them. FSU wont go down if they win. Close wins and constant come from behind wins havnt cost a top 4 place for FSU yet so I highly doubt how a close win or a come from behind win against #11 ranked GT in the ACC Championship Game costs FSU a place in the top 4.

Come on, you are overreacting. FSU at #4 is only a slight if you refuse to see how it benefits FSU to be there instead of #3. Now, if FSU was worthy of being #1, you would have a strong argument. You would have to argue every other poll out there though as all of them have Alabama at #1. It is what it is. FSU at #4 instead of #3 is better for FSU. Hell it would have been better for TCU to be at #4 instead of #3. I guess that is hard for some folks to understand but location matters more than a number. Getting that Sugar Bowl spot is important for FSU.