(11-25-2014 03:10 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:50 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:06 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Michael Brown committed a strong-arm robbery, then beat up a cop and tried to take his gun, and after the officer discharged his weapon in self-defense, he ran. The officer pursued and with his gun drawn, gave a lawful order for Michael Brown to stop. Brown turned around and charged the officer and the officer fired his weapon several times until Brown fell.

Given the facts of this incident, Michael Brown was in the wrong and the officer acted in self-defense both in the car and the street.

If this is not something we can all agree on, then how can we have an honest conversation about race? And, how does changing the race of the officer change the outcome of the situation (except the race hucksters would not come to Ferguson)?

If it truly went down like that, then race isn't an issue. However, this isn't an isolated incident in Ferguson. This was just the straw that broke the camels back.

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These are the FACTS of the case. I would like to see the facts of the other incidents you allege built up the camel.

I guess the working theory is that if this cop had been black he would have valued MB's life as much or more than his own and when being charged by a 300 man who had just strong armed a store owner he wouldn't have shot him.

Anyone that believes that is a fool.

Further, anyone that doesn't believe that the lack of respect openly illustrated by dead Mike "Watchya gonna do cop? Shoot me?" is part of a larger cultural problem in these areas is also a fool. It's pervasive.

Conversation relayed to me about a shooting in Chicago (I think) recently.
Cop to young black kid shot in chest- "Do you know who shot you? Do you know his name?"

Kid's last words- "I know who it was, but I ain't telling you."

That's not due to economics...

it really is easy to point out how brainwashing techniques define humanity.....and it's written verbatim in front of all......

all of 'they' (regardless of race) has appeared daily through ignorance....that's why it's funny......

(11-25-2014 04:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 03:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMCaubJ3tY

It's NSFW.. So if you listen to it, keep the speakers low.

WE GON GIT JUSTIS! WE GON GET JUSTIS!

Quote:Dey wrong... dey wrong... errboe wan' me be calm...

We out here wit 'choo....

Ignorant ******.

(11-25-2014 04:31 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 03:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMCaubJ3tY

It's NSFW.. So if you listen to it, keep the speakers low.

WE GON GIT JUSTIS! WE GON GET JUSTIS!

Quote:Dey wrong... dey wrong... errboe wan' me be calm...

We out here wit 'choo....

Ignorant ******.

We luh yoo Mih Le'leh, we luh yoo!

(11-25-2014 04:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  it really is easy to point out how brainwashing techniques define humanity.....and it's written verbatim in front of all......

all of 'they' (regardless of race) has appeared daily through ignorance....that's why it's funny......

The fact that we have to reiterate that one point lets you know that we've just fallen further in the hand basket to hell. If you hadn't pointed that out, you'd be called a racist. Most overused term in the English language.

Well, their lead council, Bubba Gump Crump says:

Querstion

Chherdrin

Improper diction to no end!!

Times like this make me thankful my son is Canadian.

(11-25-2014 04:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Times like this make me thankful my son is Canadian.

I have four sons. Two wanna be cops. Thankfully they're just 8 and 9, hopefully they'll change their minds. I don't want my kids killing someone else in a potential life or death situation and having to deal with racist maniacs like this. I'd rather support them until they're 50.

(11-25-2014 03:10 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:50 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:06 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Michael Brown committed a strong-arm robbery, then beat up a cop and tried to take his gun, and after the officer discharged his weapon in self-defense, he ran. The officer pursued and with his gun drawn, gave a lawful order for Michael Brown to stop. Brown turned around and charged the officer and the officer fired his weapon several times until Brown fell.

Given the facts of this incident, Michael Brown was in the wrong and the officer acted in self-defense both in the car and the street.

If this is not something we can all agree on, then how can we have an honest conversation about race? And, how does changing the race of the officer change the outcome of the situation (except the race hucksters would not come to Ferguson)?

If it truly went down like that, then race isn't an issue. However, this isn't an isolated incident in Ferguson. This was just the straw that broke the camels back.

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These are the FACTS of the case. I would like to see the facts of the other incidents you allege built up the camel.

I guess the working theory is that if this cop had been black he would have valued MB's life as much or more than his own and when being charged by a 300 man who had just strong armed a store owner he wouldn't have shot him.

Anyone that believes that is a fool.

Further, anyone that doesn't believe that the lack of respect openly illustrated by dead Mike "Watchya gonna do cop? Shoot me?" is part of a larger cultural problem in these areas is also a fool. It's pervasive.

Conversation relayed to me about a shooting in Chicago (I think) recently.
Cop to young black kid shot in chest- "Do you know who shot you? Do you know his name?"

Kid's last words- "I know who it was, but I ain't telling you."

That's not due to economics...

Give this man a medal because you get it!

(11-25-2014 04:42 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Times like this make me thankful my son is Canadian.

I have four sons. Two wanna be cops. Thankfully they're just 8 and 9, hopefully they'll change their minds. I don't want my kids killing someone else in a potential life or death situation and having to deal with racist maniacs like this. I'd rather support them until they're 50.

This whole thing was ridiculous and it is hard to find people willing to do this job when they are called racists without proof.

As you watch the looting and rioting on TV <-----How many do you think were Democrats and how many do you think were Repubs?

(11-25-2014 02:50 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:06 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Michael Brown committed a strong-arm robbery, then beat up a cop and tried to take his gun, and after the officer discharged his weapon in self-defense, he ran. The officer pursued and with his gun drawn, gave a lawful order for Michael Brown to stop. Brown turned around and charged the officer and the officer fired his weapon several times until Brown fell.

Given the facts of this incident, Michael Brown was in the wrong and the officer acted in self-defense both in the car and the street.

If this is not something we can all agree on, then how can we have an honest conversation about race? And, how does changing the race of the officer change the outcome of the situation (except the race hucksters would not come to Ferguson)?

If it truly went down like that, then race isn't an issue. However, this isn't an isolated incident in Ferguson. This was just the straw that broke the camels back.

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These are the FACTS of the case. I would like to see the facts of the other incidents you allege built up the camel.

Supposedly, there is a lot of resentment over the increase in black population. Ferguson PD apparently has a reputation of profiling there. One police chief had to resign because of his "black day" policies. Etc etc

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(11-25-2014 04:46 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  This whole thing was ridiculous and it is hard to find people willing to do this job when they are called racists without proof.

Exactly. Before too long no white people are gonna want to be cops.

For at least a decade, there have been complaints about racial tensions between police and black communities in the St. Louis County area. Communities, some residents say, can have less-experienced, poorly-equipped police departments and highly uneven levels of protection.


This year, St. Louis County invited researchers from the University of California at Los Angeles to help study complaints that county police had engaged in racial profiling and to help them improve protocols for matters ranging from traffic stops to neighborhood monitoring.

This came after a former lieutenant with the county police who had been accused of ordering officers to target black people at stores was fired. An investigation determined that he had made “inappropriate racial references.”

A St. Louis Post-Dispatch investigation in 2003 found that dozens of small police departments in the region suffered from poor training owing to a lack of funding, leading to inadequate investigations of complex crimes and an uneven use of force. The newspaper further found that this led to problematic officers moving easily between one city’s force to another without punishment.

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(11-25-2014 05:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:50 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:06 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Michael Brown committed a strong-arm robbery, then beat up a cop and tried to take his gun, and after the officer discharged his weapon in self-defense, he ran. The officer pursued and with his gun drawn, gave a lawful order for Michael Brown to stop. Brown turned around and charged the officer and the officer fired his weapon several times until Brown fell.

Given the facts of this incident, Michael Brown was in the wrong and the officer acted in self-defense both in the car and the street.

If this is not something we can all agree on, then how can we have an honest conversation about race? And, how does changing the race of the officer change the outcome of the situation (except the race hucksters would not come to Ferguson)?

If it truly went down like that, then race isn't an issue. However, this isn't an isolated incident in Ferguson. This was just the straw that broke the camels back.

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These are the FACTS of the case. I would like to see the facts of the other incidents you allege built up the camel.

Supposedly, there is a lot of resentment over the increase in black population. Ferguson PD apparently has a reputation of profiling there. One police chief had to resign because of his "black day" policies. Etc etc

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But, if the issue was with the policies of the previous chief and he resigned, then what is the specific problem now.

As to profiling, let me tell you of a way to end it. Stop committing crime. If traffic stops of Blacks weren't 8 or 9 times more likely to result in a criminal offenses (which is about the low avg in most places), then cops wouldn't do it to make their quotas. It isn't racism, it is just numbers. I guarantee you if Blacks in this area stop committing crimes and the Whites were more likely to be found with warrants, stolen property, drugs, etc. then the profiling would go the other way. That is, if it exists at all.

Regardless, adding Black cops isn't going to solve things. The community and its priorities have to change. The morality and ethics have to change. The community needs to get back to God, without the race hucksters and false ministers.

Michael Brown is a product of the community, not the cops. He has been a troubled young man and according to reports, been known to the criminal justice system. Before we even get to his encounter with Officer Wilson, you have to ask yourself, what upbringing made Mike Brown think it was okay to steal? What morality or believe in God (which used to be present in the Black community) taught him that stealing is okay? What ethical teaching taught him that he should use his size to intimidate and terrorize those smaller than himself?

Blaming the cops is an excuse. The real conversation should start in the community and in the home.

(11-25-2014 05:25 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 05:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:50 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:06 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Michael Brown committed a strong-arm robbery, then beat up a cop and tried to take his gun, and after the officer discharged his weapon in self-defense, he ran. The officer pursued and with his gun drawn, gave a lawful order for Michael Brown to stop. Brown turned around and charged the officer and the officer fired his weapon several times until Brown fell.

Given the facts of this incident, Michael Brown was in the wrong and the officer acted in self-defense both in the car and the street.

If this is not something we can all agree on, then how can we have an honest conversation about race? And, how does changing the race of the officer change the outcome of the situation (except the race hucksters would not come to Ferguson)?

If it truly went down like that, then race isn't an issue. However, this isn't an isolated incident in Ferguson. This was just the straw that broke the camels back.

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These are the FACTS of the case. I would like to see the facts of the other incidents you allege built up the camel.

Supposedly, there is a lot of resentment over the increase in black population. Ferguson PD apparently has a reputation of profiling there. One police chief had to resign because of his "black day" policies. Etc etc

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But, if the issue was with the policies of the previous chief and he resigned, then what is the specific problem now.

As to profiling, let me tell you of a way to end it. Stop committing crime. If traffic stops of Blacks weren't 8 or 9 times more likely to result in a criminal offenses (which is about the low avg in most places), then cops wouldn't do it to make their quotas. It isn't racism, it is just numbers. I guarantee you if Blacks in this area stop committing crimes and the Whites were more likely to be found with warrants, stolen property, drugs, etc. then the profiling would go the other way. That is, if it exists at all.

Regardless, adding Black cops isn't going to solve things. The community and its priorities have to change. The morality and ethics have to change. The community needs to get back to God, without the race hucksters and false ministers.

Michael Brown is a product of the community, not the cops. He has been a troubled young man and according to reports, been known to the criminal justice system. Before we even get to his encounter with Officer Wilson, you have to ask yourself, what upbringing made Mike Brown think it was okay to steal? What morality or believe in God (which used to be present in the Black community) taught him that stealing is okay? What ethical teaching taught him that he should use his size to intimidate and terrorize those smaller than himself?

Blaming the cops is an excuse. The real conversation should start in the community and in the home.

Exactly.

Just like fishing. If you want the best chance to catch a fish you go to an area with a high concentration of fish. If you want to catch criminals you go to an area with a high concentration of criminals.

(11-25-2014 05:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  For at least a decade, there have been complaints about racial tensions between police and black communities in the St. Louis County area. Communities, some residents say, can have less-experienced, poorly-equipped police departments and highly uneven levels of protection.


This year, St. Louis County invited researchers from the University of California at Los Angeles to help study complaints that county police had engaged in racial profiling and to help them improve protocols for matters ranging from traffic stops to neighborhood monitoring.

This came after a former lieutenant with the county police who had been accused of ordering officers to target black people at stores was fired. An investigation determined that he had made “inappropriate racial references.”

A St. Louis Post-Dispatch investigation in 2003 found that dozens of small police departments in the region suffered from poor training owing to a lack of funding, leading to inadequate investigations of complex crimes and an uneven use of force. The newspaper further found that this led to problematic officers moving easily between one city’s force to another without punishment.

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Yes, this WaPo article, which is slanted, does not say anything. It mentions the officer, but he was fired, as he should have been. It mentions UCLA doing a study, but no results. It mentions a 2003 newspaper investigation that doesn't even mention race.

If we are going to solve a problem, we need to first figure out what that problem actually is. I still haven't heard specifics as to what the police dept (its current makeup) has done to offend the community besides arresting Black people for committing actual crimes.

I understand what you are saying. However, the increase in crime among blacks isn't because they are black but because they are poor. If you must profile, profile poor people. They come in all colors.

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(11-25-2014 04:46 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:42 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Times like this make me thankful my son is Canadian.

I have four sons. Two wanna be cops. Thankfully they're just 8 and 9, hopefully they'll change their minds. I don't want my kids killing someone else in a potential life or death situation and having to deal with racist maniacs like this. I'd rather support them until they're 50.

This whole thing was ridiculous and it is hard to find people willing to do this job when they are called racists without proof.

So many of these areas are the f$%^ing Wild wild west most weekend nights and early mornings, yet what does the black "leadership" do?

Run down cops, en masse. Am I a fan of bad cops? Of course not, I've had my experiences with that, including nearly having a gun pulled on me because I tripped on a door transom coming out of my basement apartment to talk with them. But, of course, that's NOT who or what we're dealing with here. How do we know? Cause the Prosecutor (note- hired to PROSECUTE crimes) found no case, as did the Grand Jury after having heard ALL the evidence from local police, the mass of Feds that Holder flooded in there and 3 different freaking autopsies.

So what would they like? Street justice in cases like this? Well, it seems to me that's exactly what they get in places like Chicago on the weekends as it is, and they don't seem to care for it then. They claim to want justice? Well, that's exactly what they got. They were heard, the evidence presented and the jury found no reason to indict on any of 5 different charges. The threshold is far lower, akin to reasonable suspicion, not beyond a reasonable doubt- far from it. So now we should change the rules? To what?

Apparently change the rules to simply be mob rule, that should work out well. Maybe these "troubled" towns like Ferguson should simply self-police, kinda like Chicago does.

(11-25-2014 05:34 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:46 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:42 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Times like this make me thankful my son is Canadian.

I have four sons. Two wanna be cops. Thankfully they're just 8 and 9, hopefully they'll change their minds. I don't want my kids killing someone else in a potential life or death situation and having to deal with racist maniacs like this. I'd rather support them until they're 50.

This whole thing was ridiculous and it is hard to find people willing to do this job when they are called racists without proof.

So many of these areas are the f$%^ing Wild wild west most weekend nights and early mornings, yet what does the black "leadership" do?

Run down cops, en masse. Am I a fan of bad cops? Of course not, I've had my experiences with that, including nearly having a gun pulled on me because I tripped on a door transom coming out of my basement apartment to talk with them. But, of course, that's NOT who or what we're dealing with here. How do we know? Cause the Prosecutor (note- hired to PROSECUTE crimes) found no case, as did the Grand Jury after having heard ALL the evidence from local police, the mass of Feds that Holder flooded in there and 3 different freaking autopsies.

So what would they like? Street justice in cases like this? Well, it seems to me that's exactly what they get in places like Chicago on the weekends as it is, and they don't seem to care for it then. They claim to want justice? Well, that's exactly what they got. They were heard, the evidence presented and the jury found no reason to indict on any of 5 different charges. The threshold is far lower, akin to reasonable suspicion, not beyond a reasonable doubt- far from it. So now we should change the rules? To what?

Apparently change the rules to simply be mob rule, that should work out well. Maybe these "troubled" towns like Ferguson should simply self-police, kinda like Chicago does.

Interesting notion. Perhaps that is already happening to some extent.

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(11-25-2014 05:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I understand what you are saying. However, the increase in crime among blacks isn't because they are black but because they are poor. If you must profile, profile poor people. They come in all colors.

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Wtf does poor have to do with it? Spent much time in rural Appalachia? Plenty of poor folks there. My dad was dirt poor and never acted this way.