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Too many media timeouts in CBB. Makes the game almost unwatchable
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(11-14-2014 11:39 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Nice foul by Reid but not called. For all the negatives about our shooting and yet you look up and we are only 7 down with under 4 to play.
But still, so frustrating! A few little things and it's a different game
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Folks, we may be down right now, but I sure like what I am seeing from this team.
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Walt we don't get those calls at home when we play a "Major". Hopefully that will change.
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Boy we foul they miss they get the rebound...
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(11-14-2014 11:50 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Boy we foul they miss they get the rebound...

Can't buy a rebound!
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Falling apart at the end. Rhoades will not be happy.
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Great effort by the team.. just a little overmatched still. Looking forward to the future!
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We are 14-15 from the FT line.
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Denzel Davis will help (hopefully) on the rebounding situation.
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(11-14-2014 11:51 PM)NoodleOwl Wrote:  Great effort by the team.. just a little overmatched still. Looking forward to the future!
Yes, great effort. But am I too out there when I think this was a winnable game for us?
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(11-15-2014 12:00 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Denzel Davis will help (hopefully) on the rebounding situation.

Good point. It will take him some time to get his shooting touch but if he can help on the boards right away that would be huge.
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(11-15-2014 12:00 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Denzel Davis will help (hopefully) on the rebounding situation.

we will be okay, especially when we get Davis on the floor
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(11-15-2014 12:01 AM)4GOwls Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 11:51 PM)NoodleOwl Wrote:  Great effort by the team.. just a little overmatched still. Looking forward to the future!
Yes, great effort. But am I too out there when I think this was a winnable game for us?

Yes but besides Max and Marcus being stone cold I think Reid was a big surprise for them. Also some big 3's in the first half made a difference but in the end we made 8 3's they made 4. In the end it was probably an 5 -8 point difference based on talent and game plan.

More positives than negatives from my perspective.
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(11-15-2014 12:04 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(11-15-2014 12:01 AM)4GOwls Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 11:51 PM)NoodleOwl Wrote:  Great effort by the team.. just a little overmatched still. Looking forward to the future!
Yes, great effort. But am I too out there when I think this was a winnable game for us?

Yes but besides Max and Marcus being stone cold I think Reid was a big surprise for them. Also some big 3's in the first half made a difference but in the end we made 8 3's they made 4. In the end it was probably an 5 -8 point difference based on talent and game plan.

More positives than negatives from my perspective.
I value that perspective and look forward to Prairie View!
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Well this wouldn't be the Parliament without some wild overreaction, so here we go...

I'm really not seeing the same positives as most of you. All I saw was a team nearly identical to the past two years, but in many aspects, a little worse. That doesn't mean there aren't things we do well, but everything I think that we did well, we've done well already.

The interior defense remains solid, especially for being undersized. We made a lot of very good plays down low, especially early. But my biggest defensive complaint from Ben's squads remain- far to many open shots allowed late in the shot clock. I also thought that our half-court defense was appreciably less-effective after the full press. Enough to offset the few good outcomes of the press.

Offensively, the sets looked a bit wasteful. We didn't appear to even try to establish an inside presence in half-court sets until it was too late. This was especially frustrating after seeing Andrew clear himself a lot of space. They had size inside, but even if he immediately passes out of it, I think that helps the shooters. We did work (and I do mean work, harder than should be necessary) to get a lot of open looks, but that only matters if we can hit them. I hope that isn't the game plan too often going forward without someone hitting at a clip like Ramljak. Even when we rained it in from 3 last year to put the fear of God into A&M, UH, and UTEP, we did it with surgical inside out plays against zone defenses much better than OSU's.

On the whole, it felt like we were playing playground ball- frenetic ball pressure on defense and jacking up every available three on offense. I'm sure that there is a method to the madness, but it all looks purposeless, like running for the sake of running. That leads to the most alarming thing for me- the tank was empty with 10 to go. What I'd really like to see going forward is two things: a small slowdown on offense, and a lesser reliance on the press (use it liberally, but not after every basket).

Can't fault the effort- I do think that we worked harder than them. But I've said that a lot over the past two years. Either way, these guys will get win #1 sooner rather than later, and I look forward to it.

To conclude with two specific things I'd like to highlight- Dan matched his career high in points, and as a team we hit 93% from the line (14/15). Good work, guys!
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(11-15-2014 12:01 AM)4GOwls Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 11:51 PM)NoodleOwl Wrote:  Great effort by the team.. just a little overmatched still. Looking forward to the future!
Yes, great effort. But am I too out there when I think this was a winnable game for us?
No doubt.. Had we made even 40% of our shots (instead of 30) we'd be in celebration mode this morning. Note the D1 average for FG% was 43.3 last year.

That and some sloppy ball handling at the end sunk us.
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Watched most of the game last night and felt pretty good about it. I'm even less knowledgeable about basketball intricacies than I am with football details, but I was impressed with the pressure and the speed of play. We shot poorly. As stated above, even a modest increase in our shooting percentage from the field would've put the game in our pocket.
When was the last time Rice shot that well from the line?

I have to remind myself where this program has been the past few years. Pretty much in the wilderness. Even with this patch-work team we will be better this year, I think. And beginning next year we should start to shine.
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(11-15-2014 12:00 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Denzel Davis will help (hopefully) on the rebounding situation.

Even more important, his big, athletic body will help keep guys like Reid away from the basket.
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(11-15-2014 12:53 AM)That Guy 2012 Wrote:  Well this wouldn't be the Parliament without some wild overreaction, so here we go...

I'm really not seeing the same positives as most of you. All I saw was a team nearly identical to the past two years, but in many aspects, a little worse. That doesn't mean there aren't things we do well, but everything I think that we did well, we've done well already.

The interior defense remains solid, especially for being undersized. We made a lot of very good plays down low, especially early. But my biggest defensive complaint from Ben's squads remain- far to many open shots allowed late in the shot clock. I also thought that our half-court defense was appreciably less-effective after the full press. Enough to offset the few good outcomes of the press.

Offensively, the sets looked a bit wasteful. We didn't appear to even try to establish an inside presence in half-court sets until it was too late. This was especially frustrating after seeing Andrew clear himself a lot of space. They had size inside, but even if he immediately passes out of it, I think that helps the shooters. We did work (and I do mean work, harder than should be necessary) to get a lot of open looks, but that only matters if we can hit them. I hope that isn't the game plan too often going forward without someone hitting at a clip like Ramljak. Even when we rained it in from 3 last year to put the fear of God into A&M, UH, and UTEP, we did it with surgical inside out plays against zone defenses much better than OSU's.

On the whole, it felt like we were playing playground ball- frenetic ball pressure on defense and jacking up every available three on offense. I'm sure that there is a method to the madness, but it all looks purposeless, like running for the sake of running. That leads to the most alarming thing for me- the tank was empty with 10 to go. What I'd really like to see going forward is two things: a small slowdown on offense, and a lesser reliance on the press (use it liberally, but not after every basket).

Can't fault the effort- I do think that we worked harder than them. But I've said that a lot over the past two years. Either way, these guys will get win #1 sooner rather than later, and I look forward to it.

To conclude with two specific things I'd like to highlight- Dan matched his career high in points, and as a team we hit 93% from the line (14/15). Good work, guys!

Are you sure you're talking about our team the past several years? The defensive intensity and switch offs were MUCH better than previous Rice teams under Braun....and the ball movement on offense was similarly much improved. Yes, we were ice cold from outside offensively, but at least we were finding the open man and taking the open shot. Clearly, given our outside shooting woes, we're going to be a better team against man-to-man defenses, but I'm confident that as the year progresses, Coach Rhoades will find a way to work the ball in against the zone....and getting Denzel Davis back will certainly help in that regard.

Defensively, they killed us inside every time Andrew Drone sat on the bench. Pollard needs to become more of a presence inside, and learn to switch off better....but given he's a Freshman and this was his first game, that will come in time. And, again, the presence of Davis will help. As for OSU's open looks from the 3-point line as the play clock wound down, I think that's more a credit to OSU's patience on offense and passing (which were excellent, IMO) than any negatives on our defensive effort or scheming. The difference was that they made 40+% of their 3s and we made less than 25%. We had just as many wide open 3s, if not more.

The one big problem with relying on the outside 3-pointers, especially when in the half-court offense (as opposed to fast break) is that when missed they inevitably result in long rebounds and fast breaks the other way, which negates our pressure back court defense.

Overall, very solid effort IMO, and positive signs of what's to come. Remember also, this was a road game, and a distant one at that. OSU may be in a rebuilding year, but they are very obviously well coached, as their passing and defensive work were outstanding.
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