(11-10-2014 11:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 11:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I didn't run my mouth. All I did was state the facts. Notre Dame desires independence in football because of tradition, yet has to find a conference stupid enough to let them leech away bowl slots from full members. An ACC school is going to get screwed this bowl season because of the Parasites.

And we did it for a measly $2.5 million a year.

And people wonder why I think this conference is hot garbage.

I just wanted to point out in this thread that when you dog ND's record over the last five to twenty years, you are inadvertently dogging Clemson's as well.

Again, Clemson has the option of marketing itself to the nation and the networks as an independent or find another conference.

Trouble is, nobody really cares all that much about Clemson athletics outside of northwest South Carolina, hence your leaders' conundrum.

The ACC didn't do the ND deal for just the extra $2.5 million per school per year. It did it to save itself.

Without ND joining in 2012, there would probably be only a truncated ACC right now and Clemson fans would be enjoying trips to Lubbock, Ames and Stillwater, at best.

The SEC and Big Ten didn't/don't want Clemson. The Big 12 only wanted Clemson if FSU, at least, maybe Miami and Georgia Tech, came as well.

Clemson has few options and literally no place else to go. How do I know this? No invitations extended and Clemson signed off on ND, the $52 million buyout and the GOR.

If Clemson had anyone who wanted it, the school would have made a move. So, here you are.

Clemson's leaders, then and now, were/are smart enough to know that, even if you are not.

Nobody put a gun to Clemson or the ACC's head.

Your constant whining notwithstanding, everyone else in the ACC knows this and were only too happy to agree to the ND deal.

Terry,

I dont have any ill will towards ND and Im glad that the Acc has a deal with ND. But the bolded part of your statement, I think you are very much overstating ND's importance to the ACC. ND is the most unique program in all of college fb, although, that uniqueness is eroding with every year that passes, but I just dont believe that ND's relationship with the Acc is a matter of survival of the Acc. If ND were all that powerful. that they single handedly saved the ACC, then they themselves would not have needed the ACC. Thats just my opinion.

(11-11-2014 12:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 11:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 11:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I didn't run my mouth. All I did was state the facts. Notre Dame desires independence in football because of tradition, yet has to find a conference stupid enough to let them leech away bowl slots from full members. An ACC school is going to get screwed this bowl season because of the Parasites.

And we did it for a measly $2.5 million a year.

And people wonder why I think this conference is hot garbage.

I just wanted to point out in this thread that when you dog ND's record over the last five to twenty years, you are inadvertently dogging Clemson's as well.

Again, Clemson has the option of marketing itself to the nation and the networks as an independent or find another conference.

Trouble is, nobody really cares all that much about Clemson athletics outside of northwest South Carolina, hence your leaders' conundrum.

The ACC didn't do the ND deal for just the extra $2.5 million per school per year. It did it to save itself.

Without ND joining in 2012, there would probably be only a truncated ACC right now and Clemson fans would be enjoying trips to Lubbock, Ames and Stillwater, at best.

The SEC and Big Ten didn't/don't want Clemson. The Big 12 only wanted Clemson if FSU, at least, maybe Miami and Georgia Tech, came as well.

Clemson has few options and literally no place else to go. How do I know this? No invitations extended and Clemson signed off on ND, the $52 million buyout and the GOR.

If Clemson had anyone who wanted it, the school would have made a move. So, here you are.

Clemson's leaders, then and now, were/are smart enough to know that, even if you are not.

Nobody put a gun to Clemson or the ACC's head.

Your constant whining notwithstanding, everyone else in the ACC knows this and were only too happy to agree to the ND deal.

Terry,

I dont have any ill will towards ND and Im glad that the Acc has a deal with ND. But the bolded part of your statement, I think you are very much overstating ND's importance to the ACC. ND is the most unique program in all of college fb, although, that uniqueness is eroding with every year that passes, but I just dont believe that ND's relationship with the Acc is a matter of survival of the Acc. If ND were all that powerful. that they single handedly saved the ACC, then they themselves would not have needed the ACC. Thats just my opinion.

ND did not "save" the ACC, but it did make the ACC "better". As far as the "measly" $2.5 million a year, that's $2.5 million a year times 14 or $35 million annually, not to mention the exposure the ACC teams get when playing at ND on NBC national telecasts. It's a good deal for both.

As far as "taking" a bowl, the new playoff focus has rendered any bowl below the Orange Bowl or the Access Bowls as secondary bowls. What does getting bumped from the Sun to the Belk, to the Music City, to the Pinstripe really matter anymore?

(11-11-2014 12:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 11:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 11:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I didn't run my mouth. All I did was state the facts. Notre Dame desires independence in football because of tradition, yet has to find a conference stupid enough to let them leech away bowl slots from full members. An ACC school is going to get screwed this bowl season because of the Parasites.

And we did it for a measly $2.5 million a year.

And people wonder why I think this conference is hot garbage.

I just wanted to point out in this thread that when you dog ND's record over the last five to twenty years, you are inadvertently dogging Clemson's as well.

Again, Clemson has the option of marketing itself to the nation and the networks as an independent or find another conference.

Trouble is, nobody really cares all that much about Clemson athletics outside of northwest South Carolina, hence your leaders' conundrum.

The ACC didn't do the ND deal for just the extra $2.5 million per school per year. It did it to save itself.

Without ND joining in 2012, there would probably be only a truncated ACC right now and Clemson fans would be enjoying trips to Lubbock, Ames and Stillwater, at best.

The SEC and Big Ten didn't/don't want Clemson. The Big 12 only wanted Clemson if FSU, at least, maybe Miami and Georgia Tech, came as well.

Clemson has few options and literally no place else to go. How do I know this? No invitations extended and Clemson signed off on ND, the $52 million buyout and the GOR.

If Clemson had anyone who wanted it, the school would have made a move. So, here you are.

Clemson's leaders, then and now, were/are smart enough to know that, even if you are not.

Nobody put a gun to Clemson or the ACC's head.

Your constant whining notwithstanding, everyone else in the ACC knows this and were only too happy to agree to the ND deal.

Terry,

I dont have any ill will towards ND and Im glad that the Acc has a deal with ND. But the bolded part of your statement, I think you are very much overstating ND's importance to the ACC. ND is the most unique program in all of college fb, although, that uniqueness is eroding with every year that passes, but I just dont believe that ND's relationship with the Acc is a matter of survival of the Acc. If ND were all that powerful. that they single handedly saved the ACC, then they themselves would not have needed the ACC. Thats just my opinion.

I think each side needed the other.

I also think that the wolves were stalking the ACC in 2012.

What might have happened to the ACC if ND had signed a partial deal with the Big 12 or a full deal with the Big 10?

Would The ACC have survived in its current form? Would the exit fee had been increased? Would a GOR had been signed? The exit fee was signed when ND joined.

My personal belief is that the balance would have been tipped (it was a close thing as is) and the ACC raided and gutted, if not then, some time later.

But, that is just my personal opinion.

Rather have half a ND then no ND.

(11-11-2014 01:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 12:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 11:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 11:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I didn't run my mouth. All I did was state the facts. Notre Dame desires independence in football because of tradition, yet has to find a conference stupid enough to let them leech away bowl slots from full members. An ACC school is going to get screwed this bowl season because of the Parasites.

And we did it for a measly $2.5 million a year.

And people wonder why I think this conference is hot garbage.

I just wanted to point out in this thread that when you dog ND's record over the last five to twenty years, you are inadvertently dogging Clemson's as well.

Again, Clemson has the option of marketing itself to the nation and the networks as an independent or find another conference.

Trouble is, nobody really cares all that much about Clemson athletics outside of northwest South Carolina, hence your leaders' conundrum.

The ACC didn't do the ND deal for just the extra $2.5 million per school per year. It did it to save itself.

Without ND joining in 2012, there would probably be only a truncated ACC right now and Clemson fans would be enjoying trips to Lubbock, Ames and Stillwater, at best.

The SEC and Big Ten didn't/don't want Clemson. The Big 12 only wanted Clemson if FSU, at least, maybe Miami and Georgia Tech, came as well.

Clemson has few options and literally no place else to go. How do I know this? No invitations extended and Clemson signed off on ND, the $52 million buyout and the GOR.

If Clemson had anyone who wanted it, the school would have made a move. So, here you are.

Clemson's leaders, then and now, were/are smart enough to know that, even if you are not.

Nobody put a gun to Clemson or the ACC's head.

Your constant whining notwithstanding, everyone else in the ACC knows this and were only too happy to agree to the ND deal.

Terry,

I dont have any ill will towards ND and Im glad that the Acc has a deal with ND. But the bolded part of your statement, I think you are very much overstating ND's importance to the ACC. ND is the most unique program in all of college fb, although, that uniqueness is eroding with every year that passes, but I just dont believe that ND's relationship with the Acc is a matter of survival of the Acc. If ND were all that powerful. that they single handedly saved the ACC, then they themselves would not have needed the ACC. Thats just my opinion.

I think each side needed the other.

I also think that the wolves were stalking the ACC in 2012.

What might have happened to the ACC if ND had signed a partial deal with the Big 12 or a full deal with the Big 10?

Would The ACC have survived in its current form? Would the exit fee had been increased? Would a GOR had been signed? The exit fee was signed when ND joined.

My personal belief is that the balance would have been tipped (it was a close thing as is) and the ACC raided and gutted, if not then, some time later.

But, that is just my personal opinion.

or stayed in the Big East. ND was going no where if the BE stayed together so REALLY Syracuse and Pittsburgh saved the ACC not ND. And that is fact.

That also means that they destroyed the old BE

(11-11-2014 07:22 PM)Dasville Wrote:  That also means that they destroyed the old BE

This is true. That more than anything concerning sports has bothered me, that Syracuse and Pitt left the BE and that league was destroyed because of it. I take solace in the the fact that if SU and Pitt didn't leave, then someone else would have taken their spots.

Another week in the books:

Eligible: FSU, Duke, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, Miami, BC, NC State
Ineligible: Syracuse, Wake Forest

Still Alive (listed from most likely to least likely to qualify IMO):
VaTech (5-5)- @Wake, UVA
UNC (5-5)- @ Duke, NC State
Pitt (4-6)- Cuse, @ Miami
UVA (4-6)- Miami, @ VaTech

The picture is more clear after UNC beat Pitt and the Hokies upset Duke along with NC State becoming eligible. We have 8 eligible and Wake appears to be the perfect opponent in allowing VT to become #9.

Pitt and UVA appear longshots to get back to 6-6 although I'd like Pitt's chances more than the Cavs. The real question is can UNC make it 10 eligible from the ACC by beating Duke or NC State?

Nothing against Duke, but I'd really like to see UNC beat Duke, thus sending Ga Tech back to the ACC CG to face FSU. That would really be sweet if the Jackets can upset the Bulldogs, too, and make it a Top 15 matchup (I'm assuming FSU beats UF).

(11-17-2014 09:53 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Nothing against Duke, but I'd really like to see UNC beat Duke, thus sending Ga Tech back to the ACC CG to face FSU. That would really be sweet if the Jackets can upset the Bulldogs, too, and make it a Top 15 matchup (I'm assuming FSU beats UF).

I agree. Not only would that give the ACC 10 bowl teams, but I believe the ACCCG would draw more eyeballs with GT than it would with Duke. That being said, a Duke win over UNC would make the Heels' season finale against NC State a lot more compelling. The Pack are really hoping for a chance to keep Carolina home for the holidays.

One week to go and 3 question marks remain:

9 Eligible: FSU, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, Duke, Miami, BC, NC State, North Carolina
2 Ineligible: Syracuse, Wake Forest

Still Alive:
UVA (5-6)- @ VaTech
VaTech (5-6)- UVA
Pitt (5-6)- @ Miami

Someone from Virginia gets win #6 to become the 10th eligible team, and Pitt could become #11 if they upset Miami.

(11-24-2014 03:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  One week to go and 3 question marks remain:

9 Eligible: FSU, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, Duke, Miami, BC, NC State, North Carolina
2 Ineligible: Syracuse, Wake Forest

Still Alive:
UVA (5-6)- @ VaTech
VaTech (5-6)- UVA
Pitt (5-6)- @ Miami

Someone from Virginia gets win #6 to become the 10th eligible team, and Pitt could become #11 if they upset Miami.

By rights VT and Pitt should already be bowl-eligible already.

ACC fans are you going to fill all your bowl tie ins. From the outside it looks like yes but I don't know all the ins and outs of your tie ins.

(11-29-2014 09:39 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  ACC fans are you going to fill all your bowl tie ins. From the outside it looks like yes but I don't know all the ins and outs of your tie ins.

ACC adds the Citrus if Michigan State goes to Orange.

(11-29-2014 09:39 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  ACC fans are you going to fill all your bowl tie ins. From the outside it looks like yes but I don't know all the ins and outs of your tie ins.

Still too early to tell (believe it or not). We don't know yet...
...If Pitt will be bowl-eligible
...If FSU will be in the playoffs
...If the ACC will get a New Year's Six at-large (3rd) bid
...If the B1G will play in the Orange Bowl (thus giving the Citrus Bowl to the ACC).

We won't know some of this until the bowl match-ups are announced.

(11-24-2014 03:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  One week to go and 3 question marks remain:

9 Eligible: FSU, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, Duke, Miami, BC, NC State, North Carolina
2 Ineligible: Syracuse, Wake Forest

Still Alive:
UVA (5-6)- @ VaTech
VaTech (5-6)- UVA
Pitt (5-6)- @ Miami

Someone from Virginia gets win #6 to become the 10th eligible team, and Pitt could become #11 if they upset Miami.

Nd is also eligible and since there eligible for any of non orange bowl slots they should be listed

(11-29-2014 10:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 09:39 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  ACC fans are you going to fill all your bowl tie ins. From the outside it looks like yes but I don't know all the ins and outs of your tie ins.

Still too early to tell (believe it or not). We don't know yet...
...If Pitt will be bowl-eligible
...If FSU will be in the playoffs
...If the ACC will get a New Year's Six at-large (3rd) bid
...If the B1G will play in the Orange Bowl (thus giving the Citrus Bowl to the ACC).

We won't know some of this until the bowl match-ups are announced.

Pitt is eligible. This gives you 12 teams with ND, so I am assuming you'll fill them all now, even if FSU is in playoffs. If that assumption is bad, let me know.

Who do you project to play in Military and St Pete vs. AAC (versus probably ECU and UCF).

(11-29-2014 10:52 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 10:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 09:39 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  ACC fans are you going to fill all your bowl tie ins. From the outside it looks like yes but I don't know all the ins and outs of your tie ins.

Still too early to tell (believe it or not). We don't know yet...
...If Pitt will be bowl-eligible
...If FSU will be in the playoffs
...If the ACC will get a New Year's Six at-large (3rd) bid
...If the B1G will play in the Orange Bowl (thus giving the Citrus Bowl to the ACC).

We won't know some of this until the bowl match-ups are announced.

Pitt is eligible. This gives you 12 teams with ND, so I am assuming you'll fill them all now, even if FSU is in playoffs. If that assumption is bad, let me know.

Who do you project to play in Military and St Pete vs. AAC (versus probably ECU and UCF).

my guess

fsu-playoff
Georgia Tech-orange/at large New Years 6
Clemson-Orange/New Years 6
Louisville-citrus
Duke to Russell athletic
should fill top tier acc bowl games
nd and BC get belk and sun
unc to music
pitt to pinstripe
nc state to military
VT to Detroit
Miami to bitcoin

I've also seen an ACC in the Armed Forces filling in for army/B12 not filling spot there.

Pitt could go to Detroit to play Penn State.