(11-10-2014 05:35 PM)Hail Southern Wrote: The difference in GS and ULL conference schedule: We play Idaho, you play Ark St. Every other opponent is the same.
OOC: ULL lost the three FBS games. Who cares about strength of losses, this isn't a self-esteem battle. Both schools played a garbage FCS as the fourth OOC.
For all of the non-sense towards GS supposed weak schedule, it really only comes down to one game in conference, and our Navy game. That's it.
If we both win out, an argument could be made that Navy/ArkSt wins are on the same scale based on most rankings. That would put the quality of wins as the same. GS would have the bonus of Idaho, but there's really no doubt that ULL could handle them.
If we lose to Navy and beat ULM, then you can hang your hat on one game. That's really the only difference.
You also aren't playing ULL. Best win over #123! It just shows you beat the teams you are supposed to and have the weakest schedule. Every team in the conference would like to have your conference schedule. If Georgia Southern were to play ULL and Arkansas State...almost everyone would agree you'd have two conference loses.
(11-10-2014 05:35 PM)Hail Southern Wrote: The difference in GS and ULL conference schedule: We play Idaho, you play Ark St. Every other opponent is the same.
OOC: ULL lost the three FBS games. Who cares about strength of losses, this isn't a self-esteem battle. Both schools played a garbage FCS as the fourth OOC.
For all of the non-sense towards GS supposed weak schedule, it really only comes down to one game in conference, and our Navy game. That's it.
If we both win out, an argument could be made that Navy/ArkSt wins are on the same scale based on most rankings. That would put the quality of wins as the same. GS would have the bonus of Idaho, but there's really no doubt that ULL could handle them.
If we lose to Navy and beat ULM, then you can hang your hat on one game. That's really the only difference.
You also aren't playing ULL. Best win over #123! It just shows you beat the teams you are supposed to and have the weakest schedule. Every team in the conference would like to have your conference schedule. If Georgia Southern were to play ULL and Arkansas State...almost everyone would agree you'd have two conference loses.
Why are somone people talking about the committee and their field of selection guide lines? Who is talking about making the 4 team playoff?
I mean - If we win out, and the MWC-West implodes, Marshall and NIU drop a game.. THEN in that miracle of stars aligning - We could be looking at the access bowl. Which is a different criteria.
THAT would be being the highest ranked G5 Champion.
I thought this thread was about being ranked high and climbing.
In that regard, apparently our close losses are better than UL's losses. Judging that from how much higher we are ranked than UL, even considering how much weaker our SOS is.. if must be the difference in the losses right?
Also - APPARENTLY in this argument for ranking (again talking about a path to the Access Bowl) - SOS means little when stacked up against straight win/losses. Just look at Marshall and you will see that.
Now if they lose a game on that schedule - they will drop hard. And I'd say that if we had only lost the GT game, that would have put us ahead of Marshall. That's just to point out that not all losses are equal
. A narrow loss to a top 25 P5 team is better than a narrow lose to a G5 unranked. A blow out against the top 25 team may be equal to the G5 loss though.
Anyway, what I gather is this. Win/Loss trunks SOS. But if you are going to have losses - Close loss to high ranked power team trumps other losses. And apparently enough for us to overcome a SLIGHTLY better SOS for UL.
(11-11-2014 12:45 AM)The4thOption Wrote: Why are somone people talking about the committee and their field of selection guide lines? Who is talking about making the 4 team playoff?
I mean - If we win out, and the MWC-West implodes, Marshall and NIU drop a game.. THEN in that miracle of stars aligning - We could be looking at the access bowl. Which is a different criteria.
THAT would be being the highest ranked G5 Champion.
I thought this thread was about being ranked high and climbing.
In that regard, apparently our close losses are better than UL's losses. Judging that from how much higher we are ranked than UL, even considering how much weaker our SOS is.. if must be the difference in the losses right?
Also - APPARENTLY in this argument for ranking (again talking about a path to the Access Bowl) - SOS means little when stacked up against straight win/losses. Just look at Marshall and you will see that.
Now if they lose a game on that schedule - they will drop hard. And I'd say that if we had only lost the GT game, that would have put us ahead of Marshall. That's just to point out that not all losses are equal
. A narrow loss to a top 25 P5 team is better than a narrow lose to a G5 unranked. A blow out against the top 25 team may be equal to the G5 loss though.
Anyway, what I gather is this. Win/Loss trunks SOS. But if you are going to have losses - Close loss to high ranked power team trumps other losses. And apparently enough for us to overcome a SLIGHTLY better SOS for UL.
Your chances of losing to Navy are greater than Marshall dropping a game.
(11-11-2014 12:45 AM)The4thOption Wrote: Why are somone people talking about the committee and their field of selection guide lines? Who is talking about making the 4 team playoff?
I mean - If we win out, and the MWC-West implodes, Marshall and NIU drop a game.. THEN in that miracle of stars aligning - We could be looking at the access bowl. Which is a different criteria.
THAT would be being the highest ranked G5 Champion.
I thought this thread was about being ranked high and climbing.
In that regard, apparently our close losses are better than UL's losses. Judging that from how much higher we are ranked than UL, even considering how much weaker our SOS is.. if must be the difference in the losses right?
Also - APPARENTLY in this argument for ranking (again talking about a path to the Access Bowl) - SOS means little when stacked up against straight win/losses. Just look at Marshall and you will see that.
Now if they lose a game on that schedule - they will drop hard. And I'd say that if we had only lost the GT game, that would have put us ahead of Marshall. That's just to point out that not all losses are equal
. A narrow loss to a top 25 P5 team is better than a narrow lose to a G5 unranked. A blow out against the top 25 team may be equal to the G5 loss though.
Anyway, what I gather is this. Win/Loss trunks SOS. But if you are going to have losses - Close loss to high ranked power team trumps other losses. And apparently enough for us to overcome a SLIGHTLY better SOS for UL.
You gather what you want because it any common sense conflicts with your statements. Your old argument was a close loss to a ranked P5 trumps SOS, and you have flipped your statement to this late tonight. Your new argument puts you no closer to being discussed in the same breath with Marshall as the old one.
The thing that gets me is I'm all for GS getting a bowl game if the stars align but to think it will be the access bowl is just crazy talk if you think anyone outside of the SBC and apparently not even our commissioner would allow this to happen is worst than the Cajuns thinking we are going to the SEC. I think that is where you start to lose our support because you think you are owed something that you are not. If you get a bowl great but to tell all G5 school that's not only do I want a bowl I want all the marbles is just crazy talk. You can put yourself anywhere you want in the rankings you're not getting the access bowl. Every time I get on board to support you for a bowl game, you all find a way to alienate me.
(11-11-2014 05:50 AM)AstroCajun Wrote: Your losses are no better (or worse) than ours. They are all losses. Period.
It makes no difference how much better you looked doing it.
If you were the better team you'd have won.
That's why the transitive property is so ******* stupid.
There is a reason the national pundits are talking about GS and not about ULL.
When they look at our wins and losses, they see GS's only losses were in the last minute to P5 schools one of which is ranked.
When they look at ULL they see the 3 blowouts including the 48-20 shellacking by LaTech. Once that loss occurred, ULL was eliminated from any national discussion.
ULL is playing better and is a solid team right now, but those bad losses are part of the resume. If we lose to Navy, the national pundits will no longer be talking about us this season. Without a doubt from a national perspective we are judged more by our P5 game performances than anything else. They are just not paying attention to the conference games.
Here is another article this morning by the respected Pat Forde.
There have been plenty of current assistant coaches mentioned, but a current FBS head coach whose name has come up is Georgia Southern’s Willie Fritz (6). In his first season there after successful tenures at FCS Sam Houston State, Division II Central Missouri State and Blinn (Texas) Junior College, Fritz has the Eagles 8-2 and atop the Sun Belt Conference. Their two losses were by a combined five points against ACC schools Georgia Tech and North Carolina State, and in both games Georgia Southern took a lead into the final two minutes.
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(11-11-2014 07:47 AM)CajunExpress Wrote: MoanROW beat Wake Forest, so there you go....................ACC not too strong. this season. Duke in control of one division and barely ranked.
Georgia Tech escaped with a late victory agains the Lamers in NOLA.
I think you're on to something. We'll find out more in the next couple of weeks when several ACC members play their SEC rivals.
Not taking anything away from the Eagles, they are good, very good. Just trying to value near wins against bad teams. LTU had a similar run in 2012, and reached the top 25 only to fall back. Johnny Football was seen in a self inflicted black out on the sidelines as LTU faltered late against TAMU.
(11-11-2014 05:50 AM)AstroCajun Wrote: Your losses are no better (or worse) than ours. They are all losses. Period.
It makes no difference how much better you looked doing it.
If you were the better team you'd have won.
That's why the transitive property is so ******* stupid.
There is a reason the national pundits are talking about GS and not about ULL.
When they look at our wins and losses, they see GS's only losses were in the last minute to P5 schools one of which is ranked.
When they look at ULL they see the 3 blowouts including the 48-20 shellacking by LaTech. Once that loss occurred, ULL was eliminated from any national discussion.
ULL is playing better and is a solid team right now, but those bad losses are part of the resume. If we lose to Navy, the national pundits will no longer be talking about us this season. Without a doubt from a national perspective we are judged more by our P5 game performances than anything else. They are just not paying attention to the conference games.
Here is another article this morning by the respected Pat Forde.
There have been plenty of current assistant coaches mentioned, but a current FBS head coach whose name has come up is Georgia Southern’s Willie Fritz (6). In his first season there after successful tenures at FCS Sam Houston State, Division II Central Missouri State and Blinn (Texas) Junior College, Fritz has the Eagles 8-2 and atop the Sun Belt Conference. Their two losses were by a combined five points against ACC schools Georgia Tech and North Carolina State, and in both games Georgia Southern took a lead into the final two minutes.
Of course the pundits are talking about you. You are the new kid doing some unexpected. Its an archetype.
They creamed over Monroe beating an overrated Arkansas team too.
Edited to add that you see how quickly they turn.
Neither of us have arrived.
(This post was last modified: 11-11-2014 08:24 AM by AstroCajun.)
(11-11-2014 08:12 AM)CajunExpress Wrote: Not taking anything away from the Eagles, they are good, very good. Just trying to value near wins against bad teams. LTU had a similar run in 2012, and reached the top 25 only to fall back. Johnny Football was seen in a self inflicted black out on the sidelines as LTU faltered late against TAMU.
Just looked at LTUs schedule for 2012 and they did win at Houston, Illinois, and Virginia. Wouldn't call what GS is doing a similar run...
(11-10-2014 05:35 PM)Hail Southern Wrote: The difference in GS and ULL conference schedule: We play Idaho, you play Ark St. Every other opponent is the same.
OOC: ULL lost the three FBS games. Who cares about strength of losses, this isn't a self-esteem battle. Both schools played a garbage FCS as the fourth OOC.
For all of the non-sense towards GS supposed weak schedule, it really only comes down to one game in conference, and our Navy game. That's it.
If we both win out, an argument could be made that Navy/ArkSt wins are on the same scale based on most rankings. That would put the quality of wins as the same. GS would have the bonus of Idaho, but there's really no doubt that ULL could handle them.
If we lose to Navy and beat ULM, then you can hang your hat on one game. That's really the only difference.
You also aren't playing ULL. Best win over #123! It just shows you beat the teams you are supposed to and have the weakest schedule. Every team in the conference would like to have your conference schedule. If Georgia Southern were to play ULL and Arkansas State...almost everyone would agree you'd have two conference loses.
I doubt any reasonable person would call those automatic losses for GS.
Again, there's only one game difference in our conference schedule. Bashing our conference schedule is just childish.
By that reasoning, an argument could be made that most of the other teams in the conference had it tougher than ULL and stAte because they had to play two or three of the top three, while ULL and stAte only had to play each other (one of the top three). So, every other team could say ULL and stAte had the second weakest conference schedule. See? It's silly. The best teams can't play themselves, so by default it weakens their schedule.
(11-10-2014 05:35 PM)Hail Southern Wrote: The difference in GS and ULL conference schedule: We play Idaho, you play Ark St. Every other opponent is the same.
OOC: ULL lost the three FBS games. Who cares about strength of losses, this isn't a self-esteem battle. Both schools played a garbage FCS as the fourth OOC.
For all of the non-sense towards GS supposed weak schedule, it really only comes down to one game in conference, and our Navy game. That's it.
If we both win out, an argument could be made that Navy/ArkSt wins are on the same scale based on most rankings. That would put the quality of wins as the same. GS would have the bonus of Idaho, but there's really no doubt that ULL could handle them.
If we lose to Navy and beat ULM, then you can hang your hat on one game. That's really the only difference.
You also aren't playing ULL. Best win over #123! It just shows you beat the teams you are supposed to and have the weakest schedule. Every team in the conference would like to have your conference schedule. If Georgia Southern were to play ULL and Arkansas State...almost everyone would agree you'd have two conference loses.
I doubt any reasonable person would call those automatic losses for GS.
Again, there's only one game difference in our conference schedule. Bashing our conference schedule is just childish.
By that reasoning, an argument could be made that most of the other teams in the conference had it tougher than ULL and stAte because they had to play two or three of the top three, while ULL and stAte only had to play each other (one of the top three). So, every other team could say ULL and stAte had the second weakest conference schedule. See? It's silly. The best teams can't play themselves, so by default it weakens their schedule.
nothing we say will convince the ulala fans otherwise. so just stop. the UL fans understand this and have recognized what we have done so far and appreciated it. no need to keep this conversation going.
