....and talking about "Who's in?", like the networks are dying for us to do, is juvenile, pointless, and very, very BORING.

No matter who they select, there will be around 10 schools who would have legit claims to the tourney, and just as possible of winning 2 more games as the 4 schools selected.

They may as well put 10 schools in a hat and pick 4. It is meaningless.

This playoff will be without merit until they at least have 12-16 schools involved.

I have been doing the Mother playoff plan for several years after the season is over. That one is 24 schools and is completely doable. It also keeps the bowl system intact. Search my thread history if you want to check it out.

Personally, I don't think there's a need for 24 to be involved in a playoff. The only reason to bump the numbers beyond eight or so would be to ensure that G5 champs get in (which may be worthwhile). If your season doesn't put you into the discussion for top 8 (or maybe 12 or 16), I don't have a problem with missing the playoffs.

8 teams would do it for me.

(10-31-2014 12:16 PM)HCJag Wrote:  8 teams would do it for me.

I'd like to see the top ten in the playoffs. Whether that means 16 team playoff or less with a play in game.

It should be conference champions, plus some top-ranked wildcards. This would make college football much healthier. Every single team in college football would have their own fate in their own hands. Every single one would be playing for a slot. No matter where you chose to go to school as a student-athlete every student-athlete would have a known route to the top.

It would be real sports. Not popularity polls, not beauty contests, not committees of suits.....just "win your conference". The popularity polls would be used for the wildcards.

(10-31-2014 12:42 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  It should be conference champions, plus some top-ranked wildcards. This would make college football much healthier. Every single team in college football would have their own fate in their own hands. Every single one would be playing for a slot. No matter where you chose to go to school as a student-athlete every student-athlete would have a known route to the top.

It would be real sports. Not popularity polls, not beauty contests, not committees of suits.....just "win your conference". The popularity polls would be used for the wildcards.

Said almost this same thing verbatim somewhere else. This is the only sport in the pros or college I can think of that basically starts the season guaranteeing that only 50% of the teams even have a chance at playing for a national championship.

(10-31-2014 12:42 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  It should be conference champions, plus some top-ranked wildcards. This would make college football much healthier. Every single team in college football would have their own fate in their own hands. Every single one would be playing for a slot. No matter where you chose to go to school as a student-athlete every student-athlete would have a known route to the top.

It would be real sports. Not popularity polls, not beauty contests, not committees of suits.....just "win your conference". The popularity polls would be used for the wildcards.

This would be great...win your conference or be a top (like top two) also-ran. I don't know that I see this happening though.

I think 6 teams is perfect. They take the champion from each P5 conference and one G5 team. The committee seeds each team and picks the G5 school. This would give you two weekends with an afternoon and prime time game, then the rest of the bowls leading up to the championship.

4 is better than what we had but until you have a system that won't leave out an undefeated conference champion we will not have a true champion.

6(byes for 1 and 2, no autobids)

8(P5 champs, plus 3 at large, one G5 conditional spot)

12(P5 champs, top G5 champ, 6 at large, one additional conditional G5 spot)

16(10 conference champs, 6 at large)

Anything over 16 is utter silliness.

(10-31-2014 01:00 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  I think 6 teams is perfect. They take the champion from each P5 conference and one G5 team. The committee seeds each team and picks the G5 school. This would give you two weekends with an afternoon and prime time game, then the rest of the bowls leading up to the championship.

You think the SEC will be content with just 1 seat at the dance? Or how about the years when the Big XII champ is a joke, and can't stop the number 4 seed in SEC?

6 will not work for the P5, and they will make every argument they can to make that 6th seed an at-large for them.

It needs to be a 12 team playoff. 10 conference champs, 2 at large. Committee ranks the 12, and bam... you're on your way. Top 4 have byes in first week (or you can call the first week a play in game, whatever) 4 games, 4 games, 2 games, 1 game, champ.

(10-31-2014 01:29 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 01:00 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  I think 6 teams is perfect. They take the champion from each P5 conference and one G5 team. The committee seeds each team and picks the G5 school. This would give you two weekends with an afternoon and prime time game, then the rest of the bowls leading up to the championship.

You think the SEC will be content with just 1 seat at the dance? Or how about the years when the Big XII champ is a joke, and can't stop the number 4 seed in SEC?

6 will not work for the P5, and they will make every argument they can to make that 6th seed an at-large for them.

It needs to be a 12 team playoff. 10 conference champs, 2 at large. Committee ranks the 12, and bam... you're on your way. Top 4 have byes in first week (or you can call the first week a play in game, whatever) 4 games, 4 games, 2 games, 1 game, champ.

You think the P5 is going to sign up for having just two more spots than the G5? Your plan is equally as flawed.

6 won't be the P5 champs plus 1 G5 champ, or the P5 champs plus an at-large. 6 would work the same way as 4, just 6 seeded teams.

If you want to see all ten conference champs, 16 is the number.

This how it would look right now if we had a 16-team playoff. If you read the comments at the bottom sounds like people are scared of this format.

http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/2kv...look_right

Of course I would like all 10 conferences to get their champion into the playoffs but with the big boys calling the shots here is probably the best the G5 could get:

1. An 8 team playoff with the best G5 champion (as decided by the committee) to be 1 of the 8 participants
2. An 12 or 16 team playoff with 2-3 slots designated for the G5 (the committee would decide which 2-3 G5 teams get in).

I wish it was different but I cannot see an circumstance in which all 5 G5 conference champions get in.

(10-31-2014 11:45 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  ....and talking about "Who's in?", like the networks are dying for us to do, is juvenile, pointless, and very, very BORING.

No matter who they select, there will be around 10 schools who would have legit claims to the tourney, and just as possible of winning 2 more games as the 4 schools selected.

They may as well put 10 schools in a hat and pick 4. It is meaningless.

This playoff will be without merit until they at least have 12-16 schools involved.

I have been doing the Mother playoff plan for several years after the season is over. That one is 24 schools and is completely doable. It also keeps the bowl system intact. Search my thread history if you want to check it out.

Nothing has changed. Its the same schools who were in the hunt for a National Title 30 years ago. FBS football is the only team sport i this country based upon how much is payed into a program rather than an equitable playoff system and championship. The bottom line is the America wants to see Bama and USC and Notre Dame and Florida State and Texas. Disney has tapped into that want ( funny how its Disney) and fueled it so that everyone is morally opposed to seeing an NIU or Marshall or ECU. If the CFP goes to 8 or 10 or 12 it will be because "Murica wants more P5 schools in the hunt.

The Mother plan was modeled after the basketball tourney.

24 FB schools would be generally the same % of schools as the basketball tourney.

In order to get the same ratio of P5 schools to G5 schools as in the basketball tourney you have to go to at least 24. This is key. The P5 schools will never give the G5 schools equal access until they can guarantee they will still get the majority of the revenue.

In essence, the networks would have to offer a substantially larger dollar value to a 16 or 24 tournament than a 4 or 8 to give us access.

They did it for the basketball tourney. I think a football tourney of the same model would generate super-ridiculous numbers.

Also, the Mother plan has built in bonuses for hosting a first or second round game that a 4 or 8 team tourney does not offer.

Bottom line is that I believe that each individual school and each conference would bank more cash in an extended Mother format than they would in a BCS model or a 4 or 8 school model.

It needs to be a 20 team playoff.

Every conference that meets the FBS criteria should get an auto-bid. Every other sport (including all other levels of football works that way.

So that is 10 champs. NCAA rules require at least as many at-larges as auto-bids. That is 10 more.

20 team playoff, bottom eight play first round to get to 16.

Last season's Mother plan....


Mother of all Playoffs 2013

RULES

-- All 10 conference champions get bid
-- Next 14 highest BCS ranked schools get bid
-- Highest 8 seeds get first round bye
-- Seeds 9-24 begin First round action at higher seed's home field on 3rd Saturday of December
-- Sweet 16 would play on 4th Saturday at higher seed's home field
-- Elite 8 would be 1st Saturday of January. This would begin use of "BCS" bowls, Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange
-- Final 4 next weekend as 2 of the 4 BCS bowls re-host
-- National Championship next weekend as 1 of the other 2 BCS bowls re-hosts


FIRST-ROUND

#24 LOUISIANA at #9 SOUTH CAROLINA
#23 RICE at #10 OREGON
#22 BOWLNG GREEN at #11 OKLAHOMA
#21 FRESNO STATE at #12 CLEMSON
#20 TEXAS A&M at #13 OKLAHOMA STATE
#19 WISCONSIN at #14 ARIZONA STATE
#18 LOUISVILLE at #15 UCF
#17 UCLA at #16 LSU

SWEET 16

(UCLA/LSU winner) at #1 FLORIDA STATE
(Louisville/UCF winner) at #2 AUBURN
(Wisconsin/Arizona State winner) at #3 ALABAMA
(Texas A&M/Oklahoma State winner) at #4 MICHIGAN STATE
(Fresno State/Clemson winner) at #5 STANFORD
(Bowling Green/Oklahoma winner) at #6 BAYLOR
(Rice/Oregon winner) at #7 OHIO STATE
(Louisiana/South Carolina winner) at #8 MISSOURI


ELITE 8
Rose/Fiesta/Sugar/Orange

FINAL 4
Rose/Orange

CHAMPIONSHIP
Sugar

(10-31-2014 02:51 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It needs to be a 20 team playoff.

Every conference that meets the FBS criteria should get an auto-bid. Every other sport (including all other levels of football works that way.

So that is 10 champs. NCAA rules require at least as many at-larges as auto-bids. That is 10 more.

20 team playoff, bottom eight play first round to get to 16.

The only issue with these large team play off systems with football is that this is a much more physical sport than basketball. That potential extra 4 to 6 weeks of games is asking a lot of those student athletes who have more to worry about than just football. They have class time to make up as well as potential missed finals and extra injuries. I would love more opportunities for the G5 to get recognition on this stage, but not at the expense of the student athletes.
Max 14 teams. 10 conference champs, 4 at large

(10-31-2014 04:28 PM)JbirdGata Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 02:51 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It needs to be a 20 team playoff.

Every conference that meets the FBS criteria should get an auto-bid. Every other sport (including all other levels of football works that way.

So that is 10 champs. NCAA rules require at least as many at-larges as auto-bids. That is 10 more.

20 team playoff, bottom eight play first round to get to 16.

The only issue with these large team play off systems with football is that this is a much more physical sport than basketball. That potential extra 4 to 6 weeks of games is asking a lot of those student athletes who have more to worry about than just football. They have class time to make up as well as potential missed finals and extra injuries. I would love more opportunities for the G5 to get recognition on this stage, but not at the expense of the student athletes.
Max 14 teams. 10 conference champs, 4 at large

Play-offs don't seem to be all that hard on the players in the FCS, DII, or DIII. Even the NAIA has a sixteen team play-off that lasts four weeks and most of those teams are from tiny private schools with far more emphasis on academics than the bigger state schools.