(10-29-2014 01:44 PM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 11:11 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 10:58 AM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 09:24 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 08:59 AM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  I live two minutes from KSU and I don't see it happening. 10-20 years down the road maybe but they will not be in on this round of alignment. They haven't even played a game of football yet and play in an 8,000 (just a guess) seat stadium. It's nice for a small stadium but they would need significant upgrades for FBS football. They need to make sure they can consistently fill that stadium before they even think about it.

It did not take Georgia State that long.

And many could argue how ready they were to make the jump. The reality is that GASt plays in a 70,000+ seat stadium so they didn't need to make as large of a financial commitment that many other schools would have to. It would be a much larger risk for KSU as they would have to get their stadium to 15,000 minimum. Right now they have no idea if it's worth the risk as they haven't even played a game. If in a few years they are consistently selling out their stadium and they put forth the money for expansion then I wouldn't mind pulling them in. I personally want them to do well as my Mom has a nursing degree from them, my sister is about to graduate with a nursing degree from them, and my brother is getting his Masters in education from them.

Okay. Now reverse it. How beneficial would a Sun Belt invite be for Kennesaw State? In terms of:

1. Building Stadium
2. Attendance
3. Recognition

They might surprise some people but the smart way to go is to get the program started and then see what you have. It's too high of a risk to them if things don't work out.

I agree. KSU has time.

(10-29-2014 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  What is this love you have for Kennesaw State dude? LOL. Anyone who lives in Georgia will tell you as a student body and alumni base Kennesaw State is where GSU was in like 1990 and likely where GS was in 1975. We are still talking about a program that announced football BEFORE Mercer and still hast kicked off. Mercer is in season 2 and has built a stadium and a football operations building. Kennesaw not so much...

To compare them to either GSU or GS is pretty funny and even funnier to talk about them in FBS. They have no cash and are doing it with mirrors and a ssytem of levers and pulleys. LOL

are you saying we should jump on the mercer train?

all aboard the mercer express! toot toot.

(10-29-2014 01:59 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  What is this love you have for Kennesaw State dude? LOL. Anyone who lives in Georgia will tell you as a student body and alumni base Kennesaw State is where GSU was in like 1990 and likely where GS was in 1975. We are still talking about a program that announced football BEFORE Mercer and still hast kicked off. Mercer is in season 2 and has built a stadium and a football operations building. Kennesaw not so much...

To compare them to either GSU or GS is pretty funny and even funnier to talk about them in FBS. They have no cash and are doing it with mirrors and a ssytem of levers and pulleys. LOL

are you saying we should jump on the mercer train?

all aboard the mercer express! toot toot.

I would be on that train if they were a public and had more than 4500 students.

(10-29-2014 01:59 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  What is this love you have for Kennesaw State dude? LOL. Anyone who lives in Georgia will tell you as a student body and alumni base Kennesaw State is where GSU was in like 1990 and likely where GS was in 1975. We are still talking about a program that announced football BEFORE Mercer and still hast kicked off. Mercer is in season 2 and has built a stadium and a football operations building. Kennesaw not so much...

To compare them to either GSU or GS is pretty funny and even funnier to talk about them in FBS. They have no cash and are doing it with mirrors and a ssytem of levers and pulleys. LOL

are you saying we should jump on the mercer train?

all aboard the mercer express! toot toot.

LOL

(10-29-2014 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't understand why people think adding football is so darn easy.

To play FBS you are going to spend about $3 million a year. Not all of it will be charged to football but the costs are there even if placed in a different category.

Between coaches, trainers, additional administrative support, additional academic counselors, video support staff you are going to have to hire 24 to 28 new people. That doesn't count non-full-time people like GA's, tutors, and such.

You need at a minimum a practice field, preferably two and ideally least one with a different surface than your home field. (ie. a field turf practice field if you have grass in the stadium or grass if you have field turf).

You need to buy at least 120 helmets, 240 jerseys, 120 pants, 120 seats of pads (that's for a "boring" one home look one road look uniform) but you also need some place large enough to store all that gear and 120 is hoping you only have a couple failures per year. You also need some way to get that gear from your campus to road games.

The school has to have a facility large enough for 105 players to lift weights and do aerobic conditioning and all the associated equipment.

You need at a minimum 15 computers capable of handling large amounts of high resolution video with the capacity to mark plays, annotate them pull the clips and re-sort the clips based on a variety of data points with large displays as well as several projection sets for team meetings, plus similarly equipped laptops for time on the road. Ideally you are also outfitting another dozen or so with tablets.

You have to add another dozen or so people to your school cell phone and cellular data plans because they are either staffers who travel frequently or they are people who need to be reachable after hours.

You need a significant travel budget. Not just chartering busses or airplanes and renting hotels with meeting rooms and the capacity to feed 70-80 people at least two meals, you also have to have money for coaches to fly around the country looking at prospects and staying in hotels and renting cars and for closer trips, you quickly learn paying mileage and such is a major paperwork hassle and it is easier administratively and cost effective to just provide them with a vehicle and cover the fuel and upkeep because the last thing you want is to waste a recruiting trip when some low paid assistant is driving an old beater car that breaks down on Friday night 100 miles from campus and fifty miles from where that linebacker prospect is playing.

Three million bucks will get you in the game as lower end G5 but you better have an administrative staff that can monitor not just compliance with the NCAA rules but also how the money is spent because if your head coach sends nine guys out on the road and all of them are flying commercial and a couple of the bigger guys have to rent SUV's because 6-3 275 former football players don't fit well in economy rental cars and they skip the free breakfast at the hotel for one that doesn't have crappy reheated scrambled eggs, you can blow your recruiting budget the first weekend of visits.

Hire the wrong charter company or pick the wrong hotels and that $1 million road trip isn't as profitable. I know of a case where a bus company had a bus run out of fuel 200 miles out from where they were going and 100 miles from home base. The owner wouldn't pay for a truck service company deliver fuel and they waited three hours for a truck with fuel to arrive from their own garage. I know of a case where the bus driver pulled into a truck stop refuel and none of the companies credit cards would work because they were either maxed or suspended for non-payment and the coach had to put the fuel on his school issued credit card. I know of a school that played a road game arrived at the airport and their charter plane wasn't there. It had blown a tire while making another run and was grounded for inspection three states over delaying departure by five hours. So you have to get people with real experience to deal with your travel.

It's not just buy some uniforms and footballs and you have a team.

That is a very weak argument.

1. KSU already has an athletic department with a compliance officer. They have their own buses and charters already lined up to transport 6 foot 5 basketball and volley ball players.

2. KSU has over 25,000 students which would make it third in the Sun Belt behind Texas State and Georgia State excluding UTA which means:

3. KSU probably graduates about 4,000 every year which means 4,000 new supporters entering the work force.

4. If the average graduation is 3,000 over the last 10 years then that is 30,000 alumni mainly in the Atlanta Metro.

5. 50,000 nearby alumni means economic and some political power which means money for KSU athletics.

6. This means KSU gets more money for scholarships, equipment, facilities, fields and stadiums.

7. Using your $3 million minimum, KSU could get 50 percent from students and 50 percent from business donation.

That works out to an increase of $20 per semester for each student and donations of $750,000 donations from Coca Cola and Delta. Guess who gets the concession deal at the all the ball games? Guess which airline benefits from all those Sun Belt travelers?

There are probably a few more but I think this handles the money situation.

Do they have a football operations building?

No

They barely have money to start-up FCS. Why do you keep glossing over that pertinent fact.

They are 10 - 15 years off

(10-29-2014 02:12 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:59 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  What is this love you have for Kennesaw State dude? LOL. Anyone who lives in Georgia will tell you as a student body and alumni base Kennesaw State is where GSU was in like 1990 and likely where GS was in 1975. We are still talking about a program that announced football BEFORE Mercer and still hast kicked off. Mercer is in season 2 and has built a stadium and a football operations building. Kennesaw not so much...

To compare them to either GSU or GS is pretty funny and even funnier to talk about them in FBS. They have no cash and are doing it with mirrors and a ssytem of levers and pulleys. LOL

are you saying we should jump on the mercer train?

all aboard the mercer express! toot toot.

I would be on that train if they were a public and had more than 4500 students.

So you are saying 4500 students out weighs KSU graduating 4000 each year. How does 4500 students get to 40,000 in a stadium? I think you suffer from "Mercer Envy: LMAO

(10-29-2014 02:15 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't understand why people think adding football is so darn easy.

To play FBS you are going to spend about $3 million a year. Not all of it will be charged to football but the costs are there even if placed in a different category.

Between coaches, trainers, additional administrative support, additional academic counselors, video support staff you are going to have to hire 24 to 28 new people. That doesn't count non-full-time people like GA's, tutors, and such.

You need at a minimum a practice field, preferably two and ideally least one with a different surface than your home field. (ie. a field turf practice field if you have grass in the stadium or grass if you have field turf).

You need to buy at least 120 helmets, 240 jerseys, 120 pants, 120 seats of pads (that's for a "boring" one home look one road look uniform) but you also need some place large enough to store all that gear and 120 is hoping you only have a couple failures per year. You also need some way to get that gear from your campus to road games.

The school has to have a facility large enough for 105 players to lift weights and do aerobic conditioning and all the associated equipment.

You need at a minimum 15 computers capable of handling large amounts of high resolution video with the capacity to mark plays, annotate them pull the clips and re-sort the clips based on a variety of data points with large displays as well as several projection sets for team meetings, plus similarly equipped laptops for time on the road. Ideally you are also outfitting another dozen or so with tablets.

You have to add another dozen or so people to your school cell phone and cellular data plans because they are either staffers who travel frequently or they are people who need to be reachable after hours.

You need a significant travel budget. Not just chartering busses or airplanes and renting hotels with meeting rooms and the capacity to feed 70-80 people at least two meals, you also have to have money for coaches to fly around the country looking at prospects and staying in hotels and renting cars and for closer trips, you quickly learn paying mileage and such is a major paperwork hassle and it is easier administratively and cost effective to just provide them with a vehicle and cover the fuel and upkeep because the last thing you want is to waste a recruiting trip when some low paid assistant is driving an old beater car that breaks down on Friday night 100 miles from campus and fifty miles from where that linebacker prospect is playing.

Three million bucks will get you in the game as lower end G5 but you better have an administrative staff that can monitor not just compliance with the NCAA rules but also how the money is spent because if your head coach sends nine guys out on the road and all of them are flying commercial and a couple of the bigger guys have to rent SUV's because 6-3 275 former football players don't fit well in economy rental cars and they skip the free breakfast at the hotel for one that doesn't have crappy reheated scrambled eggs, you can blow your recruiting budget the first weekend of visits.

Hire the wrong charter company or pick the wrong hotels and that $1 million road trip isn't as profitable. I know of a case where a bus company had a bus run out of fuel 200 miles out from where they were going and 100 miles from home base. The owner wouldn't pay for a truck service company deliver fuel and they waited three hours for a truck with fuel to arrive from their own garage. I know of a case where the bus driver pulled into a truck stop refuel and none of the companies credit cards would work because they were either maxed or suspended for non-payment and the coach had to put the fuel on his school issued credit card. I know of a school that played a road game arrived at the airport and their charter plane wasn't there. It had blown a tire while making another run and was grounded for inspection three states over delaying departure by five hours. So you have to get people with real experience to deal with your travel.

It's not just buy some uniforms and footballs and you have a team.

That is a very weak argument.

1. KSU already has an athletic department with a compliance officer. They have their own buses and charters already lined up to transport 6 foot 5 basketball and volley ball players.

2. KSU has over 25,000 students which would make it third in the Sun Belt behind Texas State and Georgia State excluding UTA which means:

3. KSU probably graduates about 4,000 every year which means 4,000 new supporters entering the work force.

4. If the average graduation is 3,000 over the last 10 years then that is 30,000 alumni mainly in the Atlanta Metro.

5. 50,000 nearby alumni means economic and some political power which means money for KSU athletics.

6. This means KSU gets more money for scholarships, equipment, facilities, fields and stadiums.

7. Using your $3 million minimum, KSU could get 50 percent from students and 50 percent from business donation.

That works out to an increase of $20 per semester for each student and donations of $750,000 donations from Coca Cola and Delta. Guess who gets the concession deal at the all the ball games? Guess which airline benefits from all those Sun Belt travelers?

There are probably a few more but I think this handles the money situation.

Do they have a football operations building?

No

They barely have money to start-up FCS. Why do you keep glossing over that pertinent fact.

They are 10 - 15 years off

Oh really, what did Ga State have 5 years ago?

Did it have a Football practice field? No
Does it have a Football stadium? No
Did it take Ga State 10 to 15 years to get to FBS? No

Your arguements are weak. I think you are just scared of the competition that KSU brings to Ga State. You made some of these same money arguments against Ga Southern. What is a pertinent fact to you? LOL

(10-29-2014 02:21 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:15 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't understand why people think adding football is so darn easy.

To play FBS you are going to spend about $3 million a year. Not all of it will be charged to football but the costs are there even if placed in a different category.

Between coaches, trainers, additional administrative support, additional academic counselors, video support staff you are going to have to hire 24 to 28 new people. That doesn't count non-full-time people like GA's, tutors, and such.

You need at a minimum a practice field, preferably two and ideally least one with a different surface than your home field. (ie. a field turf practice field if you have grass in the stadium or grass if you have field turf).

You need to buy at least 120 helmets, 240 jerseys, 120 pants, 120 seats of pads (that's for a "boring" one home look one road look uniform) but you also need some place large enough to store all that gear and 120 is hoping you only have a couple failures per year. You also need some way to get that gear from your campus to road games.

The school has to have a facility large enough for 105 players to lift weights and do aerobic conditioning and all the associated equipment.

You need at a minimum 15 computers capable of handling large amounts of high resolution video with the capacity to mark plays, annotate them pull the clips and re-sort the clips based on a variety of data points with large displays as well as several projection sets for team meetings, plus similarly equipped laptops for time on the road. Ideally you are also outfitting another dozen or so with tablets.

You have to add another dozen or so people to your school cell phone and cellular data plans because they are either staffers who travel frequently or they are people who need to be reachable after hours.

You need a significant travel budget. Not just chartering busses or airplanes and renting hotels with meeting rooms and the capacity to feed 70-80 people at least two meals, you also have to have money for coaches to fly around the country looking at prospects and staying in hotels and renting cars and for closer trips, you quickly learn paying mileage and such is a major paperwork hassle and it is easier administratively and cost effective to just provide them with a vehicle and cover the fuel and upkeep because the last thing you want is to waste a recruiting trip when some low paid assistant is driving an old beater car that breaks down on Friday night 100 miles from campus and fifty miles from where that linebacker prospect is playing.

Three million bucks will get you in the game as lower end G5 but you better have an administrative staff that can monitor not just compliance with the NCAA rules but also how the money is spent because if your head coach sends nine guys out on the road and all of them are flying commercial and a couple of the bigger guys have to rent SUV's because 6-3 275 former football players don't fit well in economy rental cars and they skip the free breakfast at the hotel for one that doesn't have crappy reheated scrambled eggs, you can blow your recruiting budget the first weekend of visits.

Hire the wrong charter company or pick the wrong hotels and that $1 million road trip isn't as profitable. I know of a case where a bus company had a bus run out of fuel 200 miles out from where they were going and 100 miles from home base. The owner wouldn't pay for a truck service company deliver fuel and they waited three hours for a truck with fuel to arrive from their own garage. I know of a case where the bus driver pulled into a truck stop refuel and none of the companies credit cards would work because they were either maxed or suspended for non-payment and the coach had to put the fuel on his school issued credit card. I know of a school that played a road game arrived at the airport and their charter plane wasn't there. It had blown a tire while making another run and was grounded for inspection three states over delaying departure by five hours. So you have to get people with real experience to deal with your travel.

It's not just buy some uniforms and footballs and you have a team.

That is a very weak argument.

1. KSU already has an athletic department with a compliance officer. They have their own buses and charters already lined up to transport 6 foot 5 basketball and volley ball players.

2. KSU has over 25,000 students which would make it third in the Sun Belt behind Texas State and Georgia State excluding UTA which means:

3. KSU probably graduates about 4,000 every year which means 4,000 new supporters entering the work force.

4. If the average graduation is 3,000 over the last 10 years then that is 30,000 alumni mainly in the Atlanta Metro.

5. 50,000 nearby alumni means economic and some political power which means money for KSU athletics.

6. This means KSU gets more money for scholarships, equipment, facilities, fields and stadiums.

7. Using your $3 million minimum, KSU could get 50 percent from students and 50 percent from business donation.

That works out to an increase of $20 per semester for each student and donations of $750,000 donations from Coca Cola and Delta. Guess who gets the concession deal at the all the ball games? Guess which airline benefits from all those Sun Belt travelers?

There are probably a few more but I think this handles the money situation.

Do they have a football operations building?

No

They barely have money to start-up FCS. Why do you keep glossing over that pertinent fact.

They are 10 - 15 years off

Oh really, what did Ga State have 5 years ago?

MONEY

Did it have a Football practice field? Football complex was being constructed in 2009 and was operational in 2010
Does it have a Football stadium? YES
Did it take Ga State change their startup year 3 times? NO

Your arguements are weak. I think you are just scared of the competition that KSU brings to Ga State. You made some of these same money arguments against Ga Southern. What is a pertinent fact to you? LOL

Answered above

As far as scared, you have got to be kidding...

http://www.georgiastatesports.com/ViewAr...=209735505

Quote:The Phil and Jeanne Oneacre family has committed a $1 million planned gift to Georgia State University to support the Department of Athletics, Honors College and J. Mack Robinson College of Business.

Phil and Jeanne Oneacre are longtime supporters of Panther athletics and are committed to the development of students and athletes. Their $1 million planned gift will be used to support athletic scholarships as well as provide scholarships in the Honors College and J. Mack Robinson College of Business.

Quote:The support shown by the Oneacres adds to the recent success of the Panther Athletic Club, which has undergone a growth of more than 40 percent in membership during the 2014 calendar year. Since the fall of 2013, the Panther Athletic Club has received several major gifts including a $1 million commitment from Angela and Alan Giles, an anonymous gift of $500,000, a $350,000 pledge from Frank and Judy Strickland and several supporters’ gifts combining to exceed $100,000 for the Basketball Excellence Fund.

Yep, pretty scared.

(10-29-2014 02:17 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:12 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:59 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  What is this love you have for Kennesaw State dude? LOL. Anyone who lives in Georgia will tell you as a student body and alumni base Kennesaw State is where GSU was in like 1990 and likely where GS was in 1975. We are still talking about a program that announced football BEFORE Mercer and still hast kicked off. Mercer is in season 2 and has built a stadium and a football operations building. Kennesaw not so much...

To compare them to either GSU or GS is pretty funny and even funnier to talk about them in FBS. They have no cash and are doing it with mirrors and a ssytem of levers and pulleys. LOL

are you saying we should jump on the mercer train?

all aboard the mercer express! toot toot.

I would be on that train if they were a public and had more than 4500 students.

So you are saying 4500 students out weighs KSU graduating 4000 each year. How does 4500 students get to 40,000 in a stadium? I think you suffer from "Mercer Envy: LMAO

I am saying that at 4500 students they are too small to move to FBS. But it is not in question that they have run circles around KSU. Its not even close.

Mercer envy? I am a GSU Panther. I HATE Mercer.

(10-29-2014 02:21 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:15 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't understand why people think adding football is so darn easy.

To play FBS you are going to spend about $3 million a year. Not all of it will be charged to football but the costs are there even if placed in a different category.

Between coaches, trainers, additional administrative support, additional academic counselors, video support staff you are going to have to hire 24 to 28 new people. That doesn't count non-full-time people like GA's, tutors, and such.

You need at a minimum a practice field, preferably two and ideally least one with a different surface than your home field. (ie. a field turf practice field if you have grass in the stadium or grass if you have field turf).

You need to buy at least 120 helmets, 240 jerseys, 120 pants, 120 seats of pads (that's for a "boring" one home look one road look uniform) but you also need some place large enough to store all that gear and 120 is hoping you only have a couple failures per year. You also need some way to get that gear from your campus to road games.

The school has to have a facility large enough for 105 players to lift weights and do aerobic conditioning and all the associated equipment.

You need at a minimum 15 computers capable of handling large amounts of high resolution video with the capacity to mark plays, annotate them pull the clips and re-sort the clips based on a variety of data points with large displays as well as several projection sets for team meetings, plus similarly equipped laptops for time on the road. Ideally you are also outfitting another dozen or so with tablets.

You have to add another dozen or so people to your school cell phone and cellular data plans because they are either staffers who travel frequently or they are people who need to be reachable after hours.

You need a significant travel budget. Not just chartering busses or airplanes and renting hotels with meeting rooms and the capacity to feed 70-80 people at least two meals, you also have to have money for coaches to fly around the country looking at prospects and staying in hotels and renting cars and for closer trips, you quickly learn paying mileage and such is a major paperwork hassle and it is easier administratively and cost effective to just provide them with a vehicle and cover the fuel and upkeep because the last thing you want is to waste a recruiting trip when some low paid assistant is driving an old beater car that breaks down on Friday night 100 miles from campus and fifty miles from where that linebacker prospect is playing.

Three million bucks will get you in the game as lower end G5 but you better have an administrative staff that can monitor not just compliance with the NCAA rules but also how the money is spent because if your head coach sends nine guys out on the road and all of them are flying commercial and a couple of the bigger guys have to rent SUV's because 6-3 275 former football players don't fit well in economy rental cars and they skip the free breakfast at the hotel for one that doesn't have crappy reheated scrambled eggs, you can blow your recruiting budget the first weekend of visits.

Hire the wrong charter company or pick the wrong hotels and that $1 million road trip isn't as profitable. I know of a case where a bus company had a bus run out of fuel 200 miles out from where they were going and 100 miles from home base. The owner wouldn't pay for a truck service company deliver fuel and they waited three hours for a truck with fuel to arrive from their own garage. I know of a case where the bus driver pulled into a truck stop refuel and none of the companies credit cards would work because they were either maxed or suspended for non-payment and the coach had to put the fuel on his school issued credit card. I know of a school that played a road game arrived at the airport and their charter plane wasn't there. It had blown a tire while making another run and was grounded for inspection three states over delaying departure by five hours. So you have to get people with real experience to deal with your travel.

It's not just buy some uniforms and footballs and you have a team.

That is a very weak argument.

1. KSU already has an athletic department with a compliance officer. They have their own buses and charters already lined up to transport 6 foot 5 basketball and volley ball players.

2. KSU has over 25,000 students which would make it third in the Sun Belt behind Texas State and Georgia State excluding UTA which means:

3. KSU probably graduates about 4,000 every year which means 4,000 new supporters entering the work force.

4. If the average graduation is 3,000 over the last 10 years then that is 30,000 alumni mainly in the Atlanta Metro.

5. 50,000 nearby alumni means economic and some political power which means money for KSU athletics.

6. This means KSU gets more money for scholarships, equipment, facilities, fields and stadiums.

7. Using your $3 million minimum, KSU could get 50 percent from students and 50 percent from business donation.

That works out to an increase of $20 per semester for each student and donations of $750,000 donations from Coca Cola and Delta. Guess who gets the concession deal at the all the ball games? Guess which airline benefits from all those Sun Belt travelers?

There are probably a few more but I think this handles the money situation.

Do they have a football operations building?

No

They barely have money to start-up FCS. Why do you keep glossing over that pertinent fact.

They are 10 - 15 years off

Oh really, what did Ga State have 5 years ago?

Did it have a Football practice field? No
Does it have a Football stadium? No
Did it take Ga State 10 to 15 years to get to FBS? No

Your arguements are weak. I think you are just scared of the competition that KSU brings to Ga State. You made some of these same money arguments against Ga Southern. What is a pertinent fact to you? LOL

State had the advantage of the GA Dome. Unless Kennesaw decides to also play in the dome or possibly play in Sun Trust Park (not a viable option), they don't have a ready built FBS a sized stadium. Kennesaw's situation is way different than GASt.

(10-29-2014 02:54 PM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:21 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:15 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't understand why people think adding football is so darn easy.

To play FBS you are going to spend about $3 million a year. Not all of it will be charged to football but the costs are there even if placed in a different category.

Between coaches, trainers, additional administrative support, additional academic counselors, video support staff you are going to have to hire 24 to 28 new people. That doesn't count non-full-time people like GA's, tutors, and such.

You need at a minimum a practice field, preferably two and ideally least one with a different surface than your home field. (ie. a field turf practice field if you have grass in the stadium or grass if you have field turf).

You need to buy at least 120 helmets, 240 jerseys, 120 pants, 120 seats of pads (that's for a "boring" one home look one road look uniform) but you also need some place large enough to store all that gear and 120 is hoping you only have a couple failures per year. You also need some way to get that gear from your campus to road games.

The school has to have a facility large enough for 105 players to lift weights and do aerobic conditioning and all the associated equipment.

You need at a minimum 15 computers capable of handling large amounts of high resolution video with the capacity to mark plays, annotate them pull the clips and re-sort the clips based on a variety of data points with large displays as well as several projection sets for team meetings, plus similarly equipped laptops for time on the road. Ideally you are also outfitting another dozen or so with tablets.

You have to add another dozen or so people to your school cell phone and cellular data plans because they are either staffers who travel frequently or they are people who need to be reachable after hours.

You need a significant travel budget. Not just chartering busses or airplanes and renting hotels with meeting rooms and the capacity to feed 70-80 people at least two meals, you also have to have money for coaches to fly around the country looking at prospects and staying in hotels and renting cars and for closer trips, you quickly learn paying mileage and such is a major paperwork hassle and it is easier administratively and cost effective to just provide them with a vehicle and cover the fuel and upkeep because the last thing you want is to waste a recruiting trip when some low paid assistant is driving an old beater car that breaks down on Friday night 100 miles from campus and fifty miles from where that linebacker prospect is playing.

Three million bucks will get you in the game as lower end G5 but you better have an administrative staff that can monitor not just compliance with the NCAA rules but also how the money is spent because if your head coach sends nine guys out on the road and all of them are flying commercial and a couple of the bigger guys have to rent SUV's because 6-3 275 former football players don't fit well in economy rental cars and they skip the free breakfast at the hotel for one that doesn't have crappy reheated scrambled eggs, you can blow your recruiting budget the first weekend of visits.

Hire the wrong charter company or pick the wrong hotels and that $1 million road trip isn't as profitable. I know of a case where a bus company had a bus run out of fuel 200 miles out from where they were going and 100 miles from home base. The owner wouldn't pay for a truck service company deliver fuel and they waited three hours for a truck with fuel to arrive from their own garage. I know of a case where the bus driver pulled into a truck stop refuel and none of the companies credit cards would work because they were either maxed or suspended for non-payment and the coach had to put the fuel on his school issued credit card. I know of a school that played a road game arrived at the airport and their charter plane wasn't there. It had blown a tire while making another run and was grounded for inspection three states over delaying departure by five hours. So you have to get people with real experience to deal with your travel.

It's not just buy some uniforms and footballs and you have a team.

That is a very weak argument.

1. KSU already has an athletic department with a compliance officer. They have their own buses and charters already lined up to transport 6 foot 5 basketball and volley ball players.

2. KSU has over 25,000 students which would make it third in the Sun Belt behind Texas State and Georgia State excluding UTA which means:

3. KSU probably graduates about 4,000 every year which means 4,000 new supporters entering the work force.

4. If the average graduation is 3,000 over the last 10 years then that is 30,000 alumni mainly in the Atlanta Metro.

5. 50,000 nearby alumni means economic and some political power which means money for KSU athletics.

6. This means KSU gets more money for scholarships, equipment, facilities, fields and stadiums.

7. Using your $3 million minimum, KSU could get 50 percent from students and 50 percent from business donation.

That works out to an increase of $20 per semester for each student and donations of $750,000 donations from Coca Cola and Delta. Guess who gets the concession deal at the all the ball games? Guess which airline benefits from all those Sun Belt travelers?

There are probably a few more but I think this handles the money situation.

Do they have a football operations building?

No

They barely have money to start-up FCS. Why do you keep glossing over that pertinent fact.

They are 10 - 15 years off

Oh really, what did Ga State have 5 years ago?

Did it have a Football practice field? No
Does it have a Football stadium? No
Did it take Ga State 10 to 15 years to get to FBS? No

Your arguements are weak. I think you are just scared of the competition that KSU brings to Ga State. You made some of these same money arguments against Ga Southern. What is a pertinent fact to you? LOL

State had the advantage of the GA Dome. Unless Kennesaw decides to also play in the dome or possibly play in Sun Trust Park (not a viable option), they don't have a ready built FBS a sized stadium. Kennesaw's situation is way different than GASt.

What prevents KSU from playing home games in the dome?

(10-29-2014 02:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:54 PM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:21 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:15 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  That is a very weak argument.

1. KSU already has an athletic department with a compliance officer. They have their own buses and charters already lined up to transport 6 foot 5 basketball and volley ball players.

2. KSU has over 25,000 students which would make it third in the Sun Belt behind Texas State and Georgia State excluding UTA which means:

3. KSU probably graduates about 4,000 every year which means 4,000 new supporters entering the work force.

4. If the average graduation is 3,000 over the last 10 years then that is 30,000 alumni mainly in the Atlanta Metro.

5. 50,000 nearby alumni means economic and some political power which means money for KSU athletics.

6. This means KSU gets more money for scholarships, equipment, facilities, fields and stadiums.

7. Using your $3 million minimum, KSU could get 50 percent from students and 50 percent from business donation.

That works out to an increase of $20 per semester for each student and donations of $750,000 donations from Coca Cola and Delta. Guess who gets the concession deal at the all the ball games? Guess which airline benefits from all those Sun Belt travelers?

There are probably a few more but I think this handles the money situation.

Do they have a football operations building?

No

They barely have money to start-up FCS. Why do you keep glossing over that pertinent fact.

They are 10 - 15 years off

Oh really, what did Ga State have 5 years ago?

Did it have a Football practice field? No
Does it have a Football stadium? No
Did it take Ga State 10 to 15 years to get to FBS? No

Your arguements are weak. I think you are just scared of the competition that KSU brings to Ga State. You made some of these same money arguments against Ga Southern. What is a pertinent fact to you? LOL

State had the advantage of the GA Dome. Unless Kennesaw decides to also play in the dome or possibly play in Sun Trust Park (not a viable option), they don't have a ready built FBS a sized stadium. Kennesaw's situation is way different than GASt.

What prevents KSU from playing home games in the dome?

LOL...and people consider the Dome as being "off campus" for Georgia State.

(10-29-2014 02:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:54 PM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:21 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:15 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  That is a very weak argument.

1. KSU already has an athletic department with a compliance officer. They have their own buses and charters already lined up to transport 6 foot 5 basketball and volley ball players.

2. KSU has over 25,000 students which would make it third in the Sun Belt behind Texas State and Georgia State excluding UTA which means:

3. KSU probably graduates about 4,000 every year which means 4,000 new supporters entering the work force.

4. If the average graduation is 3,000 over the last 10 years then that is 30,000 alumni mainly in the Atlanta Metro.

5. 50,000 nearby alumni means economic and some political power which means money for KSU athletics.

6. This means KSU gets more money for scholarships, equipment, facilities, fields and stadiums.

7. Using your $3 million minimum, KSU could get 50 percent from students and 50 percent from business donation.

That works out to an increase of $20 per semester for each student and donations of $750,000 donations from Coca Cola and Delta. Guess who gets the concession deal at the all the ball games? Guess which airline benefits from all those Sun Belt travelers?

There are probably a few more but I think this handles the money situation.

Do they have a football operations building?

No

They barely have money to start-up FCS. Why do you keep glossing over that pertinent fact.

They are 10 - 15 years off

Oh really, what did Ga State have 5 years ago?

Did it have a Football practice field? No
Does it have a Football stadium? No
Did it take Ga State 10 to 15 years to get to FBS? No

Your arguements are weak. I think you are just scared of the competition that KSU brings to Ga State. You made some of these same money arguments against Ga Southern. What is a pertinent fact to you? LOL

State had the advantage of the GA Dome. Unless Kennesaw decides to also play in the dome or possibly play in Sun Trust Park (not a viable option), they don't have a ready built FBS a sized stadium. Kennesaw's situation is way different than GASt.

What prevents KSU from playing home games in the dome?

They havent started football

Its 'bout to be imploded

Its 20 miles from their campus

On more question?

Who owns the land east of the KSU baseball stadioum across Interstate 575? Looks like more than enough for an on campus stadium.

(10-29-2014 03:02 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:54 PM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:21 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 02:15 PM)panama Wrote:  Do they have a football operations building?

No

They barely have money to start-up FCS. Why do you keep glossing over that pertinent fact.

They are 10 - 15 years off

Oh really, what did Ga State have 5 years ago?

Did it have a Football practice field? No
Does it have a Football stadium? No
Did it take Ga State 10 to 15 years to get to FBS? No

Your arguements are weak. I think you are just scared of the competition that KSU brings to Ga State. You made some of these same money arguments against Ga Southern. What is a pertinent fact to you? LOL

State had the advantage of the GA Dome. Unless Kennesaw decides to also play in the dome or possibly play in Sun Trust Park (not a viable option), they don't have a ready built FBS a sized stadium. Kennesaw's situation is way different than GASt.

What prevents KSU from playing home games in the dome?

LOL...and people consider the Dome as being "off campus" for Georgia State.

Ya know?! LOL

(10-29-2014 03:04 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  On more question?

Who owns the land east of the KSU baseball stadioum across Interstate 575? Looks like more than enough for an on campus stadium.

They are going to play in the soccer stadium they already have.

(10-29-2014 03:05 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:04 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  On more question?

Who owns the land east of the KSU baseball stadioum across Interstate 575? Looks like more than enough for an on campus stadium.

They are going to play in the soccer stadium they already have.

For the time being. The site across the interstate looks like a prime location for a Football Stadium/classrooms bldg like Florida State's.

Ah Mr. Jordan...how I have missed you....

(10-29-2014 03:05 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:04 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  On more question?

Who owns the land east of the KSU baseball stadioum across Interstate 575? Looks like more than enough for an on campus stadium.

They are going to play in the soccer stadium they already have.

It's a nice little stadium that is fine for FCS but nowhere near large enough for FBS.

(10-29-2014 03:10 PM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:05 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:04 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  On more question?

Who owns the land east of the KSU baseball stadioum across Interstate 575? Looks like more than enough for an on campus stadium.

They are going to play in the soccer stadium they already have.

It's a nice little stadium that is fine for FCS but nowhere near large enough for FBS.

They arent goin FBS