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(10-26-2014 05:54 AM)monarx Wrote:  

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(10-25-2014 06:51 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  Sadly, I see only 1 or 2 wins over the next 16 games. .500 at best in 2016. Hopefully 2017 will be a year we can be excited again. As it turns out, we are no better than any other program that made the jump.

But it's still better than pre-2009.

I think, our FBS priorities were misplaced. First we asked CUSA for a delay so the seniors can play for an FCS championship. Then we asked for a complete CUSA schedule in our 2nd year of transition so Taylor and the seniors have something to play for.

So we asked for a delay, then we sped things up by wanting a full CUSA schedule when we could have tried to schedule a few top FCS opponents just to get our young team a chance to iron out the wrinkles and taste victory.

Don't forget that a big component of asking for a CUSA slate this season was to avoid having to go to the swap meet to jury-rig another independent schedule -- one that could not have seven FCS teams on it.

ODU could have had a mix of CUSA and FCS teams in its second year of transition. Instead a decision was made to throw an unprepared FCS team into the mouth of a full FBS slate in hopes of landing in a bowl game. Even though ODU is technically ineligible. A bowl game? In a transition period, playing a full FBS schedule for the first time in history??? Shear arrogance.

Ga So is doing it and is in first place in the Belt.

Tell me what RGSU has that ODU doesn't.

A defense

(10-26-2014 06:27 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 05:54 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 11:22 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 07:29 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 07:12 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I think, our FBS priorities were misplaced. First we asked CUSA for a delay so the seniors can play for an FCS championship. Then we asked for a complete CUSA schedule in our 2nd year of transition so Taylor and the seniors have something to play for.

So we asked for a delay, then we sped things up by wanting a full CUSA schedule when we could have tried to schedule a few top FCS opponents just to get our young team a chance to iron out the wrinkles and taste victory.

Don't forget that a big component of asking for a CUSA slate this season was to avoid having to go to the swap meet to jury-rig another independent schedule -- one that could not have seven FCS teams on it.

ODU could have had a mix of CUSA and FCS teams in its second year of transition. Instead a decision was made to throw an unprepared FCS team into the mouth of a full FBS slate in hopes of landing in a bowl game. Even though ODU is technically ineligible. A bowl game? In a transition period, playing a full FBS schedule for the first time in history??? Shear arrogance.

Ga So is doing it and is in first place in the Belt.

Tell me what RGSU has that ODU doesn't.

A Sun Belt schedule and a defense

And a Sun Belt schedule.

I know this has been said ad nauseum, but we need to not panic and show patience. Most of the DI-A recruits are redshirting, the head coach is learning DI-A, the defense is grinding it against much tougher competition week in and week out.

Some of you will say that you've heard it enough, but I remind you of other transition teams in their 2nd year, and we're about right on schedule. It's going to be a tough year, we knew that; or at least some of us did. The rest heard it but didn't apparently didn't process it.

I was watching W&M/Delaware yesterday, and I'd much rather be in our position than theirs right now. Their players looked so small, and the play was much slower. It is a night and day difference, and right now we are on the cusp of having enough athletes that can handle it.

Don't give up on these guys yet, and don't start calling for BW's head just yet. Yes, it was over confidence that made us call for a full CUSA schedule, but this is what we have and we are going to have to deal with it.

Imagine what Charlotte will be going through next year!

So, it wasn't the helmets.

I was at a a mini and informal Granby/Norview high school/Northside middle school reunion in Norfolk last night so all I got was the first half on the Radio.

I did go look at the stats this morning and some commentary.
It seems that it mostly came down to tackling .....again.
Supposedly our scheme was good, our gap coverage was good, and our positional awareness was good. Apparently a large chunk of WKU's offense was because of yardage after the catch.

I am at a loss as to our continued inability to tackle since 2009. Multiple DCs later and it is still inexplicable.

However, before you guys throw in the towel, just remember that we are still in FBS transition, yet except for a top #25 Marshall team, we have been in every game, including a win.
To me that is very impressive. Additionally, with better personnel waiting in the wings at almost every position, things look very promising for the future.

Probably doesn't help but we could've been rooting for a century-old program that is in a rare hunt for a NC where its coach pulled a game tying FG unit off the field w 9 secs on the clock, brought the QB back in to try to improve field position, only to have the QB throw a game ending pick. Ole Miss fans must be destroying the coach today.

(10-26-2014 08:01 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Supposedly our scheme was good, our gap coverage was good, and our positional awareness was good. Apparently a large chunk of WKU's offense was because of yardage after the catch.

Our defensive scheme, gap coverage, and positional awareness were good?

Are you serious?

(10-26-2014 08:01 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  However, before you guys throw in the towel, just remember that we are still in FBS transition, yet except for a top #25 Marshall team, we have been in every game, including a win.
To me that is very impressive. Additionally, with better personnel waiting in the wings at almost every position, things look very promising for the future.

^THIS

Just relax people. Even if we didn't win another game this year, I'm still optimistic. I'm certain the better players will make a difference next year.


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We still can't tackle. haven't been able to tackle for six years.

(10-26-2014 08:41 AM)Sithlord Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 08:01 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  However, before you guys throw in the towel, just remember that we are still in FBS transition, yet except for a top #25 Marshall team, we have been in every game, including a win.
To me that is very impressive. Additionally, with better personnel waiting in the wings at almost every position, things look very promising for the future.

^THIS
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Just relax people. Even if we didn't win another game this year, I'm still optimistic. I'm certain the better players will make a difference next year.


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Agree. ▲
I get all of the frustration. I have quite a bit of it as a fan as well. Some people deal with it differently. I choose to be patient given the reality of the Monarchs being a second year transitional FBS team which is facing it's first full FBS slate. I would have loved for our defense to have made a greater, or at least some amount of progress from last season to this, as I firmly believe that, given the nature of many of the games this year ODU is merely an acceptable defense away from being a bowl eligible team this season. Looking at the freshman we are redshirting, especially on defense, it is easy for me to reasonably speculate that had BW chosen to activate a group of them that ODU could be sitting at 6-2 at this point.

I saw somebody post that they think ODU will win 1 or 2 of their next 16 games. I don't agree with that at all. I'm not going to make any win total projections for next season. I think it would be a good idea to wait until the schedule is released, or at least the current season is over to do that, but based on the talented personnel which is currently gaining stength and maturity while redshirting, and the number of games we probably would have won so far given the ability to stop a drive here or there, I think it possible for ODU to become bowl eligible next season in it's first season of full FBS membership. Of course all of this is predicated on how quickly Shuler Bentley acclimates to the college game.

GO MONARCHS!!!

(10-26-2014 08:01 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I was at a a mini and informal Granby/Norview high school/Northside middle school reunion in Norfolk last night so all I got was the first half on the Radio.

I did go look at the stats this morning and some commentary.
It seems that it mostly came down to tackling .....again.
Supposedly our scheme was good, our gap coverage was good, and our positional awareness was good. Apparently a large chunk of WKU's offense was because of yardage after the catch.

I am at a loss as to our continued inability to tackle since 2009. Multiple DCs later and it is still inexplicable.

However, before you guys throw in the towel, just remember that we are still in FBS transition, yet except for a top #25 Marshall team, we have been in every game, including a win.
To me that is very impressive. Additionally, with better personnel waiting in the wings at almost every position, things look very promising for the future.

When the skies are brighter canary yellow
I forget ev'ry cloud I've ever seen,
So they called me a cockeyed optimist
Immature and incurably green.

I have heard people rant and rave and bellow
That we're done and we might as well be dead,
But I'm only a cockeyed optimist
And I can't get it into my head.

I hear the human race
Is fallin' on its face
And hasn't very far to go,
But ev'ry whippoorwill
Is sellin' me a bill,
And tellin' me it just ain't so.

I could say life is just a bowl of Jello
And appear more intelligent and smart,
But I'm stuck like a dope
With a thing called hope,
And I can't get it out of my heart!
Not this heart...

(10-26-2014 08:14 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Probably doesn't help but we could've been rooting for a century-old program that is in a rare hunt for a NC where its coach pulled a game tying FG unit off the field w 9 secs on the clock, brought the QB back in to try to improve field position, only to have the QB throw a game ending pick. Ole Miss fans must be destroying the coach today.

A 42 yard FG is doable, 47 is tough. One of their kickers is 1/2 from 40+, the other is 0/2. The delay penalty lost it for them, it forced their hand.

If they win out, they're still going to the playoffs.

(10-26-2014 09:32 AM)paintedblue Wrote:  Agree. ▲
I get all of the frustration. I have quite a bit of it as a fan as well. Some people deal with it differently. I choose to be patient given the reality of the Monarchs being a second year transitional FBS team which is facing it's first full FBS slate. I would have loved for our defense to have made a greater, or at least some amount of progress from last season to this, as I firmly believe that, given the nature of many of the games this year ODU is merely an acceptable defense away from being a bowl eligible team this season. Looking at the freshman we are redshirting, especially on defense, it is easy for me to reasonably speculate that had BW chosen to activate a group of them that ODU could be sitting at 6-2 at this point.

I saw somebody post that they think ODU will win 1 or 2 of their next 16 games. I don't agree with that at all. I'm not going to make any win total projections for next season. I think it would be a good idea to wait until the schedule is released, or at least the current season is over to do that, but based on the talented personnel which is currently gaining stength and maturity while redshirting, and the number of games we probably would have won so far given the ability to stop a drive here or there, I think it possible for ODU to become bowl eligible next season in it's first season of full FBS membership. Of course all of this is predicated on how quickly Shuler Bentley acclimates to the college game.

GO MONARCHS!!!

We have a different team next year. A bunch of FBS level recruits that redshirted this year that will take the jobs of the last of the FCS era recruits, and what appears to be a talented quarterback that has had a year under the tutelage of TH. Not writing off the rest of this year, but I am excited about the future!

Just throwing this out there. Does anyone see a little bit of Al Davis in BW? I am a lifelong Raiders fan and admire his accomplishments, he was a brilliant football mind.

Aim high, commitment to excellence. Both love to create a brand.

His problem later on was he became a players owner and this created a revolving door with coaches. The players knew as long as they were good with AD they could shift blame to the coaches. Now BW is a players HC. He knows these are good players, he recruited them. When days like this happen, who does he hold accountable?

Once again, these are not my final thoughts, just wanted to bounce them off of this board.


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The teams will get better based on recruiting, but while we wait for that reality, Wilder needs to go to some clinics run by top FBS coaches. All his training is at low level FCS assistant. One game he will on-side at the worse possible time, just when we get momentum, next game he kicks away when he should on-side. One game he goes for 4th in his own territory, next-game will punt late in the 4th when every fan knows our D can't get the ball back. Yes the talent will get better, Wilder needs to also improve for this program to get to a bowl level. Head coach is responsible for everything on and off the field. 3 straight games our team has been poorly prepared. We won before Heinicke, we will win after Heinicke. QB is one of the easiest positions to fill, every team we played had a quality FBS QB. Nothing against Heinicke, but stating the obvious. But that game raiseed many questions and concerns beyond who's red-shirted.

(10-25-2014 11:22 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 07:29 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 07:12 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 06:51 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  Sadly, I see only 1 or 2 wins over the next 16 games. .500 at best in 2016. Hopefully 2017 will be a year we can be excited again. As it turns out, we are no better than any other program that made the jump.

But it's still better than pre-2009.

I think, our FBS priorities were misplaced. First we asked CUSA for a delay so the seniors can play for an FCS championship. Then we asked for a complete CUSA schedule in our 2nd year of transition so Taylor and the seniors have something to play for.

So we asked for a delay, then we sped things up by wanting a full CUSA schedule when we could have tried to schedule a few top FCS opponents just to get our young team a chance to iron out the wrinkles and taste victory.

Don't forget that a big component of asking for a CUSA slate this season was to avoid having to go to the swap meet to jury-rig another independent schedule -- one that could not have seven FCS teams on it.

ODU could have had a mix of CUSA and FCS teams in its second year of transition. Instead a decision was made to throw an unprepared FCS team into the mouth of a full FBS slate in hopes of landing in a bowl game. Even though ODU is technically ineligible. A bowl game? In a transition period, playing a full FBS schedule for the first time in history??? Shear arrogance.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but because ODU is a second-year transitional team and counts as an FBS foe for other teams, I think they have to play by FBS scheduling rules. Which would preclude five FCS opponents, as was the case last season.

And even if your solution is OK by NCAA regulations, you're only kicking the can down the road. Next year, a slightly better prepared team gets thrown into the mouth of a full FBS slate -- with a new starting quarterback. Whatever benefits they gain from experienced players elsewhere gets undercut by having an inexperienced QB. At some point you have to bite the bullet and jump in, whether you're ready or not. There's no way ODU could have transitioned into a full CUSA schedule without taking lumps.

True but this defense is horrific, even by fcs standards. I've never seen a defense consistently play this bad. Our defense was better two years ago and it wasn't very good them.

We haven't made a single solitary sound adjustment all season long.

No......that's not even an overstatement.

I don't know what to think about our defense, but I do know this........it's a consistent and constant disappointment.

At some point, it's on wilder.

(10-25-2014 11:28 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 07:34 PM)ODU_KA Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 06:21 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 06:15 PM)ODU_KA Wrote:  I still have faith in BW, I have no faith in our defensive head coach, time for him to go back to coaching Hampton HS.

You know Billy Dee hasn't been the Defensive coordinator for several years now don't you? Way to keep up with the team.

And not to be too picky but it was Pheobus High school.

No I didn't know that but living 1,000 miles away sometimes makes it tough to stay abreast. However, I do take the time on most weeks to update this: https://www.facebook.com/OldDominionUniv...bookmarks. What are you doing to help spread the brand True Blue?

Bragging on a page when you post false info on here makes think I'm glad I'm not a Florida alum. If you can't keep up with coaching changes from 3 years ago doesn't bode well for your page. I would think someone boasting about that would maybe do some fact checking.

Nice, I think I will let the Mod's decide if your demeaning comments are appropriate or not.