(10-11-2014 10:29 PM)AppinATL Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 08:35 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Well so I'm glad that is over......I will start the list.

Jamey Chadwell
http://www.csusports.com/sports/fball/co...well_jamey

Tim Horton
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-foo...33537.html

Its not over...You just extended his contract after last weeks loss. Enjoy Satterfield for a while.

Will everyone please get it thru their heads that Satterfield's contract was NOT EXTENDED? he was given a raise to bring his salary more inline with Sun Belt head coaches. No years were added to his contract.

Satterfield is NOT the problem. We have defensive coaching staff which has proven for two consecutive years now that they cannot put a product on the field that stops anyone. Woody needs to be fired, period.

Through six games we are getting out scored 34.8 to 30.5 (average) even though we have the edge on total offense 2634 to 2563. That tells me that we cannot stop teams from scoring and then of course our red zone scoring percentage is lower than the opponents.

(10-11-2014 09:20 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 09:09 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 09:05 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Is it really that bad? Sure, App's going to almost certainly have a miserable season, but almost everyone struggles in their first few seasons moving to FBS. Even a good first season isn't enough to stave off growing pains -- UTSA was shockingly good last season; this year they're 1-4 and struggling at home against FIU right now.

It's a learning process. At ODU, we're learning that first-hand after two blowout losses at home and now watching UTEP carve up the defense. There's no shame in losing early. It's what you do with it going forward that makes the difference.

And don't drive yourself crazy with the football tradition line. It's a different world in FBS, and it's unfair to expect the transition to be easy, no matter how great you were there.

Tradition is big at App. You don't get to stay when you lose AT HOME to middle of the road FCS teams....even if we were still FCS people would lose it.

Sure, but if you stayed in FCS it'd be a different scene anyway and hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison. For starters, you'd ONLY play Michigan out of the FBS, and your run-up to Liberty would probably be SoCon and FCS OOC games. This year, you had three games against full FBS programs and one against a transitioning team before Liberty. Two years ago, a win against Liberty would be crucial to your FCS playoff/bye hopes. This year, it's a dangerous game where a loss means something but a win really doesn't.

Fans of transitioning teams and teams that recently finished the transition -- App, GS, GSU, ODU, USA, UTSA, Tex. St. -- have to be patient and think long game. You'll go nuts otherwise.

You are being too rational for our fans who don't have the patience to wade through this transition period. This is likely a lost year and I certainly haven't liked what I have seen to date. I do believe some staff changes are necessary but I do believe better days are ahead. But, I think many of our fans underestimated the transition and overestimated what we were capable of doing this year. Quite Frankly I thought we could win 4-5 games this year. That seems very remote at this point but this downturn will be a test of both our programs resolve as well as our fans loyalty.

(10-11-2014 09:48 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  We all know that Satterfield will be our coach next year.
This is tongue in cheek.

GoApps70' The only seat hotter than Satt's is Woody. A span of 1-21 on third down over the last two games is inexcusable. This staff hasn't seen pressure yet compared to what's coming starting Monday. We need to scrap the defense and start trying to figure out something for next year. This season is lost.

I agree time to go back to a 4-3 defense and press more on the QB and WRs. Our defense is set up now to take advantage of mistakes by a QB, but with no pressure and soft coverage that doesn't happen with solid passing teams.

(10-11-2014 09:20 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 09:09 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 09:05 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Is it really that bad? Sure, App's going to almost certainly have a miserable season, but almost everyone struggles in their first few seasons moving to FBS. Even a good first season isn't enough to stave off growing pains -- UTSA was shockingly good last season; this year they're 1-4 and struggling at home against FIU right now.

It's a learning process. At ODU, we're learning that first-hand after two blowout losses at home and now watching UTEP carve up the defense. There's no shame in losing early. It's what you do with it going forward that makes the difference.

And don't drive yourself crazy with the football tradition line. It's a different world in FBS, and it's unfair to expect the transition to be easy, no matter how great you were there.

Tradition is big at App. You don't get to stay when you lose AT HOME to middle of the road FCS teams....even if we were still FCS people would lose it.

Sure, but if you stayed in FCS it'd be a different scene anyway and hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison. For starters, you'd ONLY play Michigan out of the FBS, and your run-up to Liberty would probably be SoCon and FCS OOC games. This year, you had three games against full FBS programs and one against a transitioning team before Liberty. Two years ago, a win against Liberty would be crucial to your FCS playoff/bye hopes. This year, it's a dangerous game where a loss means something but a win really doesn't.

Fans of transitioning teams and teams that recently finished the transition -- App, GS, GSU, ODU, USA, UTSA, Tex. St. -- have to be patient and think long game. You'll go nuts otherwise.

I would accept your argument except Liberty doesn't have the offense of Georgia southern or south Alabama or Michigan, there is simply no excuse to give up 55 points to them. Right now, we are below average by FCS standards, let alone FBS. There is nothing that convinces me or helps me justify 55 points against a 3-3 FCS school. We are quite simply completely inept on defense. This game should have never come down to over time or a shaky kicking game. Our defense is abhorrent.

APP State is essentially a JV football team with so many freshman and sophmore's.

I think our JV team is doing pretty well. The coaches need to make adjustments, go back to 4-3 defense, cut down on self inflicked penalties, and we will win 2-3 more games this year.

I am 100% behind APP, as David jackson said last night

"Give a Mountaineer a chance" , and i will

My ankles are strong and ready for the future !!!! ;-)

(10-12-2014 11:05 AM)PhillyApp1 Wrote:  APP State is essentially a JV football team with so many freshman and sophmore's.

I think our JV team is doing pretty well. The coaches need to make adjustments, go back to 4-3 defense, cut down on self inflicked penalties, and we will win 2-3 more games this year.

I am 100% behind APP, as David jackson said last night

"Give a Mountaineer a chance" , and i will

My ankles are strong and ready for the future !!!! ;-)

David can't say what he really thinks because he is a company man. He said as much last night. You can be the last one on the roof if you want, but that doesn't earn you a badge of honor. I put my money where my mouth is, but I can vote with my feet as well. That's how change happens in this world.

92 can I get your club seats for the remaining games?

(10-11-2014 06:40 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:35 PM)asupatch Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Well so I'm glad that is over......I will start the list.

Jamey Chadwell
http://www.csusports.com/sports/fball/co...well_jamey

Tim Horton
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-foo...33537.html

Agreed.......you run and pass up and down a team for 630 yards and you have the WORST KICKING GAME in division 1 football and you center the ball twice for a field goal. Sheer ignorance. Liberty didt stop us all night. We handed them a win. Your welcome.

What can he possibly say after this one, we are young, again? It isn't youth, it is fundamentals and coaching we don't have either down, but one draws on the other. Pack up his office.

I personally like Chadwell, he does more with less at Charleston Southern and they play well disciplined football. The guy wins everywhere he goes.

Chadwell wanted to return to his alma mater. There's a really good reason he wasn't hired.
He's a nice guy, but he's not someone App wants.

(10-12-2014 07:30 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I agree time to go back to a 4-3 defense and press more on the QB and WRs. Our defense is set up now to take advantage of mistakes by a QB, but with no pressure and soft coverage that doesn't happen with solid passing teams.

Naw, I may calm down and change my mind. This one is going to take a while.

Almost all last year and most of this year it is normal that right after a loss Saturday that everyone is ready for blood, ready to storm the castle moats and walls and chop off some heads. As the week goes by there are less hateful assertions and more hope. Just before the next kick off there seems like almost acceptance and maybe real actual hope. Then the pendulum swings back with another loss and it starts all over.

(10-12-2014 07:23 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 09:48 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  We all know that Satterfield will be our coach next year.
This is tongue in cheek.

GoApps70' The only seat hotter than Satt's is Woody. A span of 1-21 on third down over the last two games is inexcusable. This staff hasn't seen pressure yet compared to what's coming starting Monday. We need to scrap the defense and start trying to figure out something for next year. This season is lost.

Take it the 1-21 you are writing about was LU's for their last two games. That was against other teams, but is a good indicator that our defense sure did not do the job. Our defense is pathetic. We sometimes play so far off opponent receivers our defense just as well to be sitting in the stands. We just cannot hope to win any games unless there is much improvement in our defense. A good defense would give our offense a lot more time with the ball to produce.
Heat is justified. This is not normal for us. Not acceptable. Inexcusable. Both should be doing a lot better. Do not see that you disagree with me on who the head coach will be next year though.

(10-12-2014 01:33 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:40 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:35 PM)asupatch Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Well so I'm glad that is over......I will start the list.

Jamey Chadwell
http://www.csusports.com/sports/fball/co...well_jamey

Tim Horton
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-foo...33537.html

Agreed.......you run and pass up and down a team for 630 yards and you have the WORST KICKING GAME in division 1 football and you center the ball twice for a field goal. Sheer ignorance. Liberty didt stop us all night. We handed them a win. Your welcome.

What can he possibly say after this one, we are young, again? It isn't youth, it is fundamentals and coaching we don't have either down, but one draws on the other. Pack up his office.

I personally like Chadwell, he does more with less at Charleston Southern and they play well disciplined football. The guy wins everywhere he goes.

Chadwell wanted to return to his alma mater. There's a really good reason he wasn't hired.
He's a nice guy, but he's not someone App wants.

Do tell then......or is it a secret? I'm pretty sure from what I can tell he would be a great fit.

(10-11-2014 06:46 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:44 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Well so I'm glad that is over......I will start the list.

Jamey Chadwell
http://www.csusports.com/sports/fball/co...well_jamey

Tim Horton
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-foo...33537.html

Tim Horton

I will take VanGorder at this point. Personally I like the guy regardless of how he ran GaSouth into the dirt, he has Notre Dame's defense aggressive and playing above their abilities with a number of starters out.

(10-11-2014 08:47 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 08:35 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Well so I'm glad that is over......I will start the list.

Jamey Chadwell
http://www.csusports.com/sports/fball/co...well_jamey

Tim Horton
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-foo...33537.html

Its not over...You just extended his contract after last weeks loss. Enjoy Satterfield for a while.

You have been misinformed sir, he only received a salary adjustment since we are sorta FBS now. The media clarified after initially reporting an extension.

Even more proof you know nothing about our program.

(10-11-2014 06:46 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:44 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Well so I'm glad that is over......I will start the list.

Jamey Chadwell
http://www.csusports.com/sports/fball/co...well_jamey

Tim Horton
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-foo...33537.html

Tim Horton

I will take VanGorder at this point. Personally I like the guy regardless of how he ran GaSouth into the dirt, he has Notre Dame's defense aggressive and playing above their abilities with a number of starters out.

(10-11-2014 09:05 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Is it really that bad? Sure, App's going to almost certainly have a miserable season, but almost everyone struggles in their first few seasons moving to FBS. Even a good first season isn't enough to stave off growing pains -- UTSA was shockingly good last season; this year they're 1-4 and struggling at home against FIU right now.

It's a learning process. At ODU, we're learning that first-hand after two blowout losses at home and now watching UTEP carve up the defense. There's no shame in losing early. It's what you do with it going forward that makes the difference.

And don't drive yourself crazy with the football tradition line. It's a different world in FBS, and it's unfair to expect the transition to be easy, no matter how great you were there.

Your mistake is using logic and common sense. Those traits do not apply to a large portion of the App fan base. After the Michigan win they became spoiled and entitled to a winning program no matter the circumstances. Before the season some knuckleheads on another messageboard were "expecting", not predicting or hoping for, but "EXPECTING" 6-7 wins this season. They thought we would just walk right in to the SB and win from day one. Some said we should be in a bowl in two years.

Most of our fans suffer from the illusion that we were still a dominant FCS program the last 3-4 years. We were not. We struggled to beat teams we had tremendous advantages over and in the playoffs going 1-3 during Jerry Moore's last three years. While coach was traveling around the country taking vacations, making speeches, attending conferences and being the toast of the town (not saying it wasn't well deserved) no one was at home minding the ship. Recruiting suffered badly, discipline went out the window and team infrastructure dwindled away. When he was released at the end of 2012 the program was in a mess and we (or should I say Scott) is paying the price.

Unfortunately most of our fans do not realize what was really going on. Obviously nothing can be said publicly about how bad of shape the program was in. I mean, say something negative about the great and powerful Oz? Surely you jest. Meanwhile a number of fans have bailed on Scott. Funny how the most boisterous fans are always the first to cut and run, unwilling to support the program in bad times. App has always had a very good core group of die hard supporters. They've been going to games win or lose, rain or shine for years. They'll continue to be at the games. The others will come back, eventually.....

(10-13-2014 08:45 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Most of our fans suffer from the illusion that we were still a dominant FCS program the last 3-4 years. We were not. We struggled to beat teams we had tremendous advantages over and in the playoffs going 1-3 during Jerry Moore's last three years. While coach was traveling around the country taking vacations, making speeches, attending conferences and being the toast of the town (not saying it wasn't well deserved) no one was at home minding the ship.

You're decline under Moore is GREATLY exaggerated.

2009....11-3 #5
2010....10-3 #4
2011....8-4 #12
2012... 8-4 #9

Even if this was a minor step back, after a run you guys had that should have been expected.

Quote:Recruiting suffered badly, discipline went out the window and team infrastructure dwindled away. When he was released at the end of 2012 the program was in a mess and we (or should I say Scott) is paying the price.

Yep, according to the apologists it's always the coaches fault before when things bomb like this. I guess it's easier to believe a no name, done nothing ever green assistant actually isn't the problem here it's really the guy with Jerry Moore's resume that's derailed this program years ago underneath those top 15 recent seasons was actually running the program in the ground secretly.

Quote:Unfortunately most of our fans do not realize what was really going on.

or you're just delusional?

You seriously think had Moore coached through this transition you would have won 3 games in the FCS last year or whatever it was, or would be this bad today? Sure bro.

You are getting what you deserve IMO for pushing Moore out after he stayed with you for years with you paying him nothing basically and throwing him away like he was nothing. What you should have done was beg him to coach you through this transition period, and now you got this instead at the worst possible time to derail your program and dismantled it yourself.

(10-13-2014 07:51 AM)The Black Flag Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:46 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:44 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 06:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Well so I'm glad that is over......I will start the list.

Jamey Chadwell
http://www.csusports.com/sports/fball/co...well_jamey

Tim Horton
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-foo...33537.html

Tim Horton

I will take VanGorder at this point. Personally I like the guy regardless of how he ran GaSouth into the dirt, he has Notre Dame's defense aggressive and playing above their abilities with a number of starters out.

I would not wish VanGooberNutz on anyone. All may be well at ND right now, but let one lug nut fall off (not even the whole wheel) and VGNutz will throw everyone under the bus because there is no way it could be his fault. And I'm with the majority of App posters it seems there needs to be a change at APP, just not sure who could fix that mess right now, as it is not just a this years mess.

(10-13-2014 09:10 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 08:45 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Most of our fans suffer from the illusion that we were still a dominant FCS program the last 3-4 years. We were not. We struggled to beat deserved) no one was at home minding the ship.

teams we had tremendous advantages over and in the playoffs going 1-3 during Jerry Moore's last three years. While coach was traveling around the country taking vacations, making speeches, attending conferences and being the toast of the town (not saying it wasn't well
You're decline under Moore is GREATLY exaggerated.

2009....11-3 #5
2010....10-3 #4
2011....8-4 #12
2012... 8-4 #9

Even if this was a minor step back, after a run you guys had that should have been expected.

Quote:Recruiting suffered badly, discipline went out the window and team infrastructure dwindled away. When he was released at the end of 2012 the program was in a mess and we (or should I say Scott) is paying the price.

Yep, according to the apologists it's always the coaches fault before when things bomb like this. I guess it's easier to believe a no name, done nothing ever green assistant actually isn't the problem here it's really the guy with Jerry Moore's resume that's derailed this program years ago underneath those top 15 recent seasons was actually running the program in the ground secretly.

Quote:Unfortunately most of our fans do not realize what was really going on.

or you're just delusional?

You seriously think had Moore coached through this transition you would have won 3 games in the FCS last year or whatever it was, or would be this bad today? Sure bro.

You are getting what you deserve IMO for pushing Moore out after he stayed with you for years with you paying him nothing basically and throwing him away like he was nothing. What you should have done was beg him to coach you through this transition period, and now you got this instead at the worst possible time to derail your program and dismantled it yourself.

Jones, You have NO idea what you're talking about.