(10-07-2014 01:58 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:07 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Oh its exactly what I meant Kruciff. You see, ECU can no longer take Non Q's like they used to now that they are in the American.

I wish we'd NEVER taken them to be brutally honest. They don't belong on a college campus and all it did was give us a bad reputation with other schools in NC.

100% ******* False Blunderpuss. How can you say that and be happy about it? Just because a kid has a qualifying GPA but might have a bad test score does not mean that kid should be denied a college education. You are way out of line with those comments. I'd much rather see a kid get a college education and the chance to be a good citizen vs living the street life selling drugs or killing somebody. Just because a kid did bad on a test score doesnt necessarily mean he or she is a bad person or should be denied an education. Did you ever stop to think that maybe some kids just arent brought up in conditions like we are? Some of these kids make it but most never do. For those that do, I'm very happy for them.

Why shouldn't he be denied a college education? He or she didn't make the minimum requirements. Why should an athlete get special treatment that don't apply to non-athletes? Why do you make the assumption that it has to be one (murderer / drug dealer) or the other (great student athlete citizen)?

FWIW, I wasn't brought up in "ideal" conditions either but I worked my butt off and eventually was able to go to ECU.

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Doesn't bother me personally. If that's what Marshall wants to do as a school, that's their prerogative. At least they don't flaunt the **** like other schools. How many guys at every year's NBA or NFL draft do we really think could pass a college class, let alone multiple years? The system is all sorts of jacked up, and Marshall is doing no more harm than any of those other schools.

You say you got a bad name in North Carolina, but the average sports fan heard about UNCs scandal and doesn't know crap about ECU admission policies.

Its not just UNC thats a problem in NC. People seem to forget that ECU got put on academic probation by the NCAA just a couple years ago for academic fraud. For those that forgot or never heard about it:



http://www.thewashingtondailynews.com/20...penalized/

I don't really care either way. It does seem to be an advantage and could help level the playing field if the P5 don't use them. My bigger concern is that everyone in the conference play by the same rules and I wish the conference would mandate that. Then again, CUSA obviously is OK with it, and its most of the schools other than Marshall that have an issue using them.

(10-07-2014 02:08 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:58 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:07 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Oh its exactly what I meant Kruciff. You see, ECU can no longer take Non Q's like they used to now that they are in the American.

I wish we'd NEVER taken them to be brutally honest. They don't belong on a college campus and all it did was give us a bad reputation with other schools in NC.

100% ******* False Blunderpuss. How can you say that and be happy about it? Just because a kid has a qualifying GPA but might have a bad test score does not mean that kid should be denied a college education. You are way out of line with those comments. I'd much rather see a kid get a college education and the chance to be a good citizen vs living the street life selling drugs or killing somebody. Just because a kid did bad on a test score doesnt necessarily mean he or she is a bad person or should be denied an education. Did you ever stop to think that maybe some kids just arent brought up in conditions like we are? Some of these kids make it but most never do. For those that do, I'm very happy for them.

Why shouldn't he be denied a college education? He or she didn't make the minimum requirements. Why should an athlete get special treatment that don't apply to non-athletes? Why do you make the assumption that it has to be one (murderer / drug dealer) or the other (great student athlete citizen)?

FWIW, I wasn't brought up in "ideal" conditions either but I worked my butt off and eventually was able to go to ECU.

Thats the part you cant seem to get through you head Blunderpuss...just because a kid doesnt have a qualifying GPA or test score to "participate in athletics" does not mean he or she doesn't have the minimum requirements to enter school like any other student. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

(10-07-2014 02:18 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:08 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:58 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:07 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Oh its exactly what I meant Kruciff. You see, ECU can no longer take Non Q's like they used to now that they are in the American.

I wish we'd NEVER taken them to be brutally honest. They don't belong on a college campus and all it did was give us a bad reputation with other schools in NC.

100% ******* False Blunderpuss. How can you say that and be happy about it? Just because a kid has a qualifying GPA but might have a bad test score does not mean that kid should be denied a college education. You are way out of line with those comments. I'd much rather see a kid get a college education and the chance to be a good citizen vs living the street life selling drugs or killing somebody. Just because a kid did bad on a test score doesnt necessarily mean he or she is a bad person or should be denied an education. Did you ever stop to think that maybe some kids just arent brought up in conditions like we are? Some of these kids make it but most never do. For those that do, I'm very happy for them.

Why shouldn't he be denied a college education? He or she didn't make the minimum requirements. Why should an athlete get special treatment that don't apply to non-athletes? Why do you make the assumption that it has to be one (murderer / drug dealer) or the other (great student athlete citizen)?

FWIW, I wasn't brought up in "ideal" conditions either but I worked my butt off and eventually was able to go to ECU.

Thats the part you cant seem to get through you head Blunderpuss...just because a kid doesnt have a qualifying GPA or test score to "participate in athletics" does not mean he or she doesn't have the minimum requirements to enter school like any other student. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

The argument you're trying to make depends on the school. I mean, really? Just look at the NCAA base requirements for an athlete. Are you trying to tell me that this could be the "higher" standard at most schools? If that's how it is at Marshall it really explains some things for me.

Quote:Satisfy the GPA and test score requirements on the Division I sliding scale
Depending on your test scores, you will need a GPA somewhere between 2.0 and 3.55 to qualify. Regardless of your test scores and your athletic ability, you cannot play Division I athletics with a GPA below 2.0. For instance, with a GPA of 2.75, you would need either an SAT score of 720 or an ACT sum score of 59 to qualify.

http://www.ncsasports.org/blog/2011/12/1...ge-sports/

The StillJonesing solution has been a long time coming... Just saying.

Damn it ECU. It's our turn to give Marshall a hard time. You had your chance.

BTW, the minimum requirement for GPA was raised to 2.3.

(10-07-2014 02:28 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:18 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:08 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:58 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:07 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I wish we'd NEVER taken them to be brutally honest. They don't belong on a college campus and all it did was give us a bad reputation with other schools in NC.

100% ******* False Blunderpuss. How can you say that and be happy about it? Just because a kid has a qualifying GPA but might have a bad test score does not mean that kid should be denied a college education. You are way out of line with those comments. I'd much rather see a kid get a college education and the chance to be a good citizen vs living the street life selling drugs or killing somebody. Just because a kid did bad on a test score doesnt necessarily mean he or she is a bad person or should be denied an education. Did you ever stop to think that maybe some kids just arent brought up in conditions like we are? Some of these kids make it but most never do. For those that do, I'm very happy for them.

Why shouldn't he be denied a college education? He or she didn't make the minimum requirements. Why should an athlete get special treatment that don't apply to non-athletes? Why do you make the assumption that it has to be one (murderer / drug dealer) or the other (great student athlete citizen)?

FWIW, I wasn't brought up in "ideal" conditions either but I worked my butt off and eventually was able to go to ECU.

Thats the part you cant seem to get through you head Blunderpuss...just because a kid doesnt have a qualifying GPA or test score to "participate in athletics" does not mean he or she doesn't have the minimum requirements to enter school like any other student. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

The argument you're trying to make depends on the school. I mean, really? Just look at the NCAA base requirements for an athlete. Are you trying to tell me that this could be the "higher" standard at most schools? If that's how it is at Marshall it really explains some things for me.

Quote:Satisfy the GPA and test score requirements on the Division I sliding scale
Depending on your test scores, you will need a GPA somewhere between 2.0 and 3.55 to qualify. Regardless of your test scores and your athletic ability, you cannot play Division I athletics with a GPA below 2.0. For instance, with a GPA of 2.75, you would need either an SAT score of 720 or an ACT sum score of 59 to qualify.

http://www.ncsasports.org/blog/2011/12/1...ge-sports/

About time Blunderpuss....you just made my point and now maybe you are starting to see the light a little. And yes, minimum entrance requirements differ from school to school. In the example above that you posted, a prospective student with a 2.75 GPA likely meets minimum GPA requirements for most schools but yet his/her sat test score will prevent them from being qualified to participate in athletics. Thats what makes them a non qualifying athlete and would force them to either go the Juco/Prep school route or enroll in a school where they meet the minimum entrance requirements in hopes of getting their grades high enough to get eligible at some point.

(10-07-2014 10:57 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:41 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  How much of an advantage does this give Marshall over everyone else? I know when we were in the Sun Belt Troy and Arkansas State always did well with this advantage. Should CUSA put a stop to it and get everyone on the same playing field?

Get used to it. Marshall takes it to another level with an academic program designed to keep these losers eligible. They have no standards regarding JUCO transfers either. I'm glad that ECU no longer takes these flunkies.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...-next-year

Quote:PROPS: Before the recruitaholics get into their five-star hysteria, remember Marshall had eight academic non-qualifiers sitting out last season.

Two of them -- Angelo Jean-Louis and Deontay McManus -- are eligible now and will participate in spring practices. Considering both are outside wide receivers and were big-time prospects, they could be impact players.

The other props include running backs Tony Pittman and Brandon Byrd, wide receiver Rodney Allen, cornerback Chocolate Wilson, linebacker Raheim Huskey and defensive end Jalen Stevenson.

8 in one season. And before any turd fans say they didn't all get in the intent was clear.

Quote: TRANSFERS: Don't forget about defensive end Ricardo Williams and cornerback Donaldven Manning, who practiced last season after transferring from Miami (Fla.) and Virginia Tech respectively.

Both should be impact players for Marshall.

For all CUSA newbies the admissions requirements for Marshall football players is easy. Just fog a mirror and have a pulse and you're good to go.

Please enlighten us as to the difference between what you refer to as a "prop and the Juco and Prep school players you recruit?

It's the same thing. Kids go to Juco and Prep school to get their grades in order.
A Prop goes directly to the school of choice, THEY PAY THEIR OWN WAY for the first year. IF they become eligible, they are placed on probationary terms and scholarship.
And by the way Ace - to have a D1 scholarship, an athlete must graduate from an accredited high school with a minimum GPA of 2.3. That's an NCAA standard.

Jucos and Prep school kids are worse, they go to shady schools who can't guarantee anything and whose course work is suspect at best.
I'd rather get a kid on my campus, monitor him and get him on the right track. At least that gets him working towards his degree.

Gawd you ECU fans are pieces of ****! Go ask Ruff why he takes so many Jucos and Prep school kids. In many cases they are more of gamble than a prop. Asswipe!

If you think we are cheating call the NCAA, **** head. Stupid ******!

(10-07-2014 02:44 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:28 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:18 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:08 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:58 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  100% Fuck1n False Blunderpuss. How can you say that and be happy about it? Just because a kid has a qualifying GPA but might have a bad test score does not mean that kid should be denied a college education. You are way out of line with those comments. I'd much rather see a kid get a college education and the chance to be a good citizen vs living the street life selling drugs or killing somebody. Just because a kid did bad on a test score doesnt necessarily mean he or she is a bad person or should be denied an education. Did you ever stop to think that maybe some kids just arent brought up in conditions like we are? Some of these kids make it but most never do. For those that do, I'm very happy for them.

Why shouldn't he be denied a college education? He or she didn't make the minimum requirements. Why should an athlete get special treatment that don't apply to non-athletes? Why do you make the assumption that it has to be one (murderer / drug dealer) or the other (great student athlete citizen)?

FWIW, I wasn't brought up in "ideal" conditions either but I worked my butt off and eventually was able to go to ECU.

Thats the part you cant seem to get through you head Blunderpuss...just because a kid doesnt have a qualifying GPA or test score to "participate in athletics" does not mean he or she doesn't have the minimum requirements to enter school like any other student. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

The argument you're trying to make depends on the school. I mean, really? Just look at the NCAA base requirements for an athlete. Are you trying to tell me that this could be the "higher" standard at most schools? If that's how it is at Marshall it really explains some things for me.

Quote:Satisfy the GPA and test score requirements on the Division I sliding scale
Depending on your test scores, you will need a GPA somewhere between 2.0 and 3.55 to qualify. Regardless of your test scores and your athletic ability, you cannot play Division I athletics with a GPA below 2.0. For instance, with a GPA of 2.75, you would need either an SAT score of 720 or an ACT sum score of 59 to qualify.

http://www.ncsasports.org/blog/2011/12/1...ge-sports/

About time Blunderpuss....you just made my point and now maybe you are starting to see the light a little. And yes, minimum entrance requirements differ from school to school. In the example above that you posted, a prospective student with a 2.75 GPA likely meets minimum GPA requirements for most schools but yet his/her sat test score will prevent them from being qualified to participate in athletics. Thats what makes them a non qualifying athlete and would force them to either go the Juco/Prep school route or enroll in a school where they meet the minimum entrance requirements in hopes of getting their grades high enough to get eligible at some point.

Man, your reading comprehension sucks. A 2.75 GPA requires a 720 SAT in the above example. Your earlier post

Quote:just because a kid doesnt have a qualifying GPA or test score to "participate in athletics" does not mean he or she doesn't have the minimum requirements to enter school

This makes no sense whatsoever. Who the hell can't get a 720 SAT? Athletes are given the benefit of the doubt via a sliding scale by as linked above yet you say that they're held to the same standard as the regular students to enroll in school.

Guys, cut it out with the bypassing the profanity filter. i.e. using a "1" in place of an "i".

It's a simple rule, if a word is supposed to be filtered don't **** with it.

(10-07-2014 11:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:42 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:29 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 10:57 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:41 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  How much of an advantage does this give Marshall over everyone else? I know when we were in the Sun Belt Troy and Arkansas State always did well with this advantage. Should CUSA put a stop to it and get everyone on the same playing field?

Get used to it. Marshall takes it to another level with an academic program designed to keep these losers eligible. They have no standards regarding JUCO transfers either. I'm glad that ECU no longer takes these flunkies.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...-next-year

Quote:PROPS: Before the recruitaholics get into their five-star hysteria, remember Marshall had eight academic non-qualifiers sitting out last season.

Two of them -- Angelo Jean-Louis and Deontay McManus -- are eligible now and will participate in spring practices. Considering both are outside wide receivers and were big-time prospects, they could be impact players.

The other props include running backs Tony Pittman and Brandon Byrd, wide receiver Rodney Allen, cornerback Chocolate Wilson, linebacker Raheim Huskey and defensive end Jalen Stevenson.

8 in one season. And before any turd fans say they didn't all get in the intent was clear.

Quote: TRANSFERS: Don't forget about defensive end Ricardo Williams and cornerback Donaldven Manning, who practiced last season after transferring from Miami (Fla.) and Virginia Tech respectively.

Both should be impact players for Marshall.

For all CUSA newbies the admissions requirements for Marshall football players is easy. Just fog a mirror and have a pulse and you're good to go.

Here comes Blunderpuss with his jealousy and weird infatuation with Marshall.

Oh its exactly what I meant Kruciff. You see, ECU can no longer take Non Q's like they used to now that they are in the American.

I do not have a dog in this fight, if Marshall wants to load up on them then so be it..It is at their discretion at this point. Just want to correct something here…ECU really stopped taking them about 5 years ago. I think during that time we had a couple of "exceptions" but as a general rule the practiced stopped about the time Coach Ruff came on board.

I think I HATE EZWHO more than I do the WHO. I said it last year and will say it again, don't care what anyone thinks:

I HOPE GREENVILLE NC BURNS TO THE FRIGGIN GROUND.....

(10-07-2014 02:12 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:34 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Doesn't bother me personally. If that's what Marshall wants to do as a school, that's their prerogative. At least they don't flaunt the **** like other schools. How many guys at every year's NBA or NFL draft do we really think could pass a college class, let alone multiple years? The system is all sorts of jacked up, and Marshall is doing no more harm than any of those other schools.

You say you got a bad name in North Carolina, but the average sports fan heard about UNCs scandal and doesn't know crap about ECU admission policies.

Its not just UNC thats a problem in NC. People seem to forget that ECU got put on academic probation by the NCAA just a couple years ago for academic fraud. For those that forgot or never heard about it:



http://www.thewashingtondailynews.com/20...penalized/

Damn…It is pretty convenient that most of that story no longer shows up. Yes, it is true, a couple of Baseball players cheated…The University found out, kicked the guys off the team and self reported this to the NCAA. This had absolutely zero to do with the Football team.

(10-07-2014 03:01 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  I think I HATE EZWHO more than I do the WHO. I said it last year and will say it again, don't care what anyone thinks:

I HOPE GREENVILLE NC BURNS TO THE FRIGGIN GROUND.....

Dude…You have some real issues. Maybe step away from the message boards for a little while.

(10-07-2014 02:59 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:42 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:29 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 10:57 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Get used to it. Marshall takes it to another level with an academic program designed to keep these losers eligible. They have no standards regarding JUCO transfers either. I'm glad that ECU no longer takes these flunkies.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...-next-year


8 in one season. And before any turd fans say they didn't all get in the intent was clear.

For all CUSA newbies the admissions requirements for Marshall football players is easy. Just fog a mirror and have a pulse and you're good to go.

Here comes Blunderpuss with his jealousy and weird infatuation with Marshall.

Oh its exactly what I meant Kruciff. You see, ECU can no longer take Non Q's like they used to now that they are in the American.

I do not have a dog in this fight, if Marshall wants to load up on them then so be it..It is at their discretion at this point. Just want to correct something here…ECU really stopped taking them about 5 years ago. I think during that time we had a couple of "exceptions" but as a general rule the practiced stopped about the time Coach Ruff came on board.

Ruff still takes Jucos and Prep kids. No difference. They all have academic issues.
BTW, I've heard Hardy and some of you kids interviewed - trust me, they won't be going for their MBA any time soon.

(10-07-2014 02:48 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 10:57 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:41 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  How much of an advantage does this give Marshall over everyone else? I know when we were in the Sun Belt Troy and Arkansas State always did well with this advantage. Should CUSA put a stop to it and get everyone on the same playing field?

Get used to it. Marshall takes it to another level with an academic program designed to keep these losers eligible. They have no standards regarding JUCO transfers either. I'm glad that ECU no longer takes these flunkies.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...-next-year

Quote:PROPS: Before the recruitaholics get into their five-star hysteria, remember Marshall had eight academic non-qualifiers sitting out last season.

Two of them -- Angelo Jean-Louis and Deontay McManus -- are eligible now and will participate in spring practices. Considering both are outside wide receivers and were big-time prospects, they could be impact players.

The other props include running backs Tony Pittman and Brandon Byrd, wide receiver Rodney Allen, cornerback Chocolate Wilson, linebacker Raheim Huskey and defensive end Jalen Stevenson.

8 in one season. And before any turd fans say they didn't all get in the intent was clear.

Quote: TRANSFERS: Don't forget about defensive end Ricardo Williams and cornerback Donaldven Manning, who practiced last season after transferring from Miami (Fla.) and Virginia Tech respectively.

Both should be impact players for Marshall.

For all CUSA newbies the admissions requirements for Marshall football players is easy. Just fog a mirror and have a pulse and you're good to go.

Please enlighten us as to the difference between what you refer to as a "prop and the Juco and Prep school players you recruit?

It's the same thing. Kids go to Juco and Prep school to get their grades in order.
A Prop goes directly to the school of choice, THEY PAY THEIR OWN WAY for the first year. IF they become eligible, they are placed on probationary terms and scholarship.
And by the way Ace - to have a D1 scholarship, an athlete must graduate from an accredited high school with a minimum GPA of 2.3. That's an NCAA standard.

Jucos and Prep school kids are worse, they go to shady schools who can't guarantee anything and whose course work is suspect at best.
I'd rather get a kid on my campus, monitor him and get him on the right track. At least that gets him working towards his degree.

Gawd you ECU fans are pieces of ****! Go ask Ruff why he takes so many Jucos and Prep school kids. In many cases they are more of gamble than a prop. Asswipe!

If you think we are cheating call the NCAA, **** head. Stupid ******!

Hell…There are no shady JUCO players getting into the UNC System which set the exact rules that ECU, NC State, UNC, and all the other UNC System Schools have to follow in admitting a transfer from a JUCO. We have a very hard time getting JUCO's admitted. Many of the ones we sign in recruiting never make it to campus.

(10-07-2014 03:03 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Dude…You have some real issues. Maybe step away from the message boards for a little while.

I could careless what you and the rest of the Butt Pirates think. Your itty bitty town and school are total garbage. BURN IT.....Now back to IGNORE.

(10-07-2014 03:05 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Hell…There are no shady JUCO players getting into the UNC System which set the exact rules that ECU, NC State, UNC, and all the other UNC System Schools have to follow in admitting a transfer from a JUCO. We have a very hard time getting JUCO's admitted. Many of the ones we sign in recruiting never make it to campus.

Exactly. If these clowns knew anything about how handcuffed we are on JUCO's they wouldn't be running their mouth. I'd much prefer a JUCO or prep school player over a non-qualifier. At least then I know that they got their grades in order away from campus which ensures that they're serious about it and not getting special "help." When they're given a pass on campus it sets a precedent that they're getting special privileges not afforded to "regular" students. They also take up classroom space and teachers' attention that I'd personally rather see go to traditional students who will make an academic impact on the university.

(10-07-2014 03:04 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 02:59 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:42 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 11:29 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here comes Blunderpuss with his jealousy and weird infatuation with Marshall.

Oh its exactly what I meant Kruciff. You see, ECU can no longer take Non Q's like they used to now that they are in the American.

I do not have a dog in this fight, if Marshall wants to load up on them then so be it..It is at their discretion at this point. Just want to correct something here…ECU really stopped taking them about 5 years ago. I think during that time we had a couple of "exceptions" but as a general rule the practiced stopped about the time Coach Ruff came on board.

Ruff still takes Jucos and Prep kids. No difference. They all have academic issues.
BTW, I've heard Hardy and some of you kids interviewed - trust me, they won't be going for their MBA any time soon.

Dude that is so off base and a totally ignorant statement…Hardy is a great kid and a smart kid. He did well in High School and he has done very well at ECU as well. He comes from a good family and he will be very successful in life. You are a freaking tool….You should just keep your mouth shut about things that you have no knowledge about, makes you look like a fool.