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(10-05-2014 06:18 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  ........ the Power 5 programs would not like even 2 losses to a Power 5 team this far into the season. If you hire a Coach like Fuente at a Power 5 program, you play these "UCLA's" and "Ole Miss's" all the time. The problem for me is Coach Fuente has not won against a Power 5 program yet. ......

Hopefully, that did not sound the way you intended, for if that is a "problem" for you, then you are to be pitied. In only his 3rd year, after inheriting a program at the very bottom, Fuente's team played both UCLA and Ole Miss close enough to have a chance to win in the 4th quarter despite all their advantages (home field and "P-5" recruiting prestige) to name a few. Not winning those games is a "problem"?
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Good grief.... a million people have said it has nothing to do with salary and everything to do with the fact that CJF is up-and-climbing. ( oK maybe not a million, but close)

It's gotta be so much easier to coach in a P5 conference. When he was hired, weren't we in one of those? That's how I remember it anyway.

Seems like we were Big East bound, relieved and strutting tall. If I'm wrong someone, please let me know. 03-lmfao
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(10-05-2014 11:26 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  We're good. RC passed his list along to Bowen.

Yeah, but Porter's name has been scratched off now.
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OK...everyone here knows he's a gem. Now the rest of CF world is starting to notice.
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(10-05-2014 04:56 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 12:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 12:08 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 10:38 AM)1proudpapa Wrote:  I firmly believe after last night; he will be our next Cal (salary wise and without the cockiness). The boosters will pay him and his assistants.

After getting 'left behind' because of football I'm hopeful the big money guys get it. I'm betting that they do.

They do. Paying him is not the issue. Whenever it comes to that, the issue will be whether Fuente has the desire to move on to a bigger name program, like Cal eventually did.

No way to read his mind. And it's really way early to speculate. But if we keep him, great. If not, we're in a much better spot than before.

But that's all the energy I'm putting into this subject, for now. At least on here.

If / when we have to replace Fuente I hope that use the exact same search committee to recommend the hire. They clearly got this one right.

Actually, if I recall correctly, the committee recommended, and we were set to hire, the assistant from Alabama. But at the last minute, Raines went off the reservation, and called in Fuente for an interview, and overruled the committee, or won them over, or perhaps Fuente did. I may have the details a little muddled, but that's the gist of it.
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I thought Fred called saban and was told Jim mccelwain isn't very good.
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(10-05-2014 08:44 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  I thought Fred called saban and was told Jim mccelwain isn't very good.

I heard that, but don't know if it's true, or not. All I know is we were about to hire McElwain, and switched to Fuente at the last minute. It definitely wasn't a committee decision, it was done outside that circle. I was told it was Raines, but yeah, it could have been Smith, too. Or both, if Smith got the info and told Raines to find somebody else.

Like I said, the details could be muddled, but the part I'm certain about is the decision was made outside the committee.
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I'm feeling confident that he will be the 2nd Tigers coach to move on to a better job in my lifetime.
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(10-05-2014 09:11 PM)georgiatiger Wrote:  I'm feeling confident that he will be the 2nd Tigers coach to move on to a better job in my lifetime.

The first being Pancoast. There's a blast from the past. He may have actually made a mistake by leaving.
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(10-05-2014 08:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 04:56 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 12:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 12:08 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 10:38 AM)1proudpapa Wrote:  I firmly believe after last night; he will be our next Cal (salary wise and without the cockiness). The boosters will pay him and his assistants.

After getting 'left behind' because of football I'm hopeful the big money guys get it. I'm betting that they do.

They do. Paying him is not the issue. Whenever it comes to that, the issue will be whether Fuente has the desire to move on to a bigger name program, like Cal eventually did.

No way to read his mind. And it's really way early to speculate. But if we keep him, great. If not, we're in a much better spot than before.

But that's all the energy I'm putting into this subject, for now. At least on here.

If / when we have to replace Fuente I hope that use the exact same search committee to recommend the hire. They clearly got this one right.

Actually, if I recall correctly, the committee recommended, and we were set to hire, the assistant from Alabama. But at the last minute, Raines went off the reservation, and called in Fuente for an interview, and overruled the committee, or won them over, or perhaps Fuente did. I may have the details a little muddled, but that's the gist of it.

You're close to what happened but it was a little more to it than that.

I was personally very honored that President Raines asked me to be on the search committee. McElwain was the front runner. When negotiations regarding salary was discussed, there was no problem, but what did surface was the buyout agreement if he were to be released from his contract. His agent was very adamant about a no buy out clause and this didn't sit well with President Raines nor the committee and especially committee Chair, Brad Martin. (Remember at the time we still had 3 full years to pay on Wests' contract at nearly a million a year). Discussions about this subject were discussed and McElwain and his agent were asked to think about this and get back to the committee that evening with an alternative plan. In the meantime, we decided we were going to interview other candidates in case this situation didn't work out (remember, Plan B better be just as good as Plan A).

Next interview was Fuente (at 5pm on a rainy and cold Friday evening in New York) and he blew the socks off the committee with his attitude, exuberance and organizational skills as well as his knowledge about the position and what it entailed. That was it! If McElwain and his agent didn't come back with an alternative plan for a buyout, we had our next choice.

Expecting a call that evening from McElwains' agent.....well it never came and come morning, the committee decided that Fuente would be offered the position. A call did come the next morning from McElwains' agent, but President Raines and the committee felt that they would move forward with Coach Fuente who agreed to a buyout proposition the University could live with and withdrew the offer to McElwain (who, by the way was a great interview and would have also done very well here, in my opinion). The committee under Brad Martin was solely responsible for the hire doing all the due diligence provided by the search firm that was required to hire the right person for the position.

So, if not for a simple buy out provision, Jim McElwain may have been the Head Coach instead of Fuente, but I, for one, am glad things have worked out as they have. I believe that Fuente will be with us for several more years, but if it doesn't work out that way, the program will be light years ahead of what it would have been under previous coaching staffs and we will all be indebted to Justin for helping this program, this University, and most of all the kids that want to play this game of Football for the Tigers.
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(10-05-2014 09:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 09:11 PM)georgiatiger Wrote:  I'm feeling confident that he will be the 2nd Tigers coach to move on to a better job in my lifetime.

The first being Pancoast. There's a blast from the past. He may have actually made a mistake by leaving.

He did make a mistake and has publically acknowledged that fact.
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Juggoman, thanks very much for the details on the hiring process. Now that you give the full story, which I never knew in that detail, I do recall a mention of a buyout clause being an issue.

As for Pancoast, I'm sure that's correct. Just too long ago for me to know, or recall.
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we are lucky things went this way and we have Fuente as our head coach!
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I think CJF is in a great position and has given a level of professionalism to our program that we haven't seen since the DW years. He really comports himself extremely well. That said, if HE thinks he is as good as WE think he is (and I think that is the case), CJF can make a very, very solid name for himself here and gain some extremely valuable experience while grooming himself for a BIG TIME job at a premier school.

Urban Meyer went from Utah to Florida when Utah was not a P5 university.

Meyer's predecessor went from Youngstown State to OSU.

Art Briles went from Houston to Baylor.

Kevin Sumlin went from Houston to aTm.

Jerry Kill went from NIU to Minnesota and while not a big time program, Minnesota is a very solid job.

My point is that all of the above coaches made a name for themselves and had the luxury of waiting for a BIG TIME job while holding down a very, very good job and doing a great job of performing well on their current job.

CJF strikes me as someone who has the confidence AND professionalism in himself to realize that (a) he is a very good coach (b) he probably needs a bit more seasoning before taking a big, big time job and © recognizes that one good season isn't going to land him the big time job that he sees as his destiny.
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(10-05-2014 10:38 AM)Crazier Wrote:  If I was Bowen, I would be telling Fuente that we will be in the B12 with him as coach.

So you advocate lying?
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(10-05-2014 01:22 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Michigan fans say Harbaugh, Miles or Mullen. Of those 3, I think only Mullen is realistic.

Wow, Michigan shouldn't accept Mullen on principle. Hire your biggest rivals former top assistant smacks desperation. Why would Mullen leave MSU for Michigan?
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(10-05-2014 09:17 PM)juggoman Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 08:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 04:56 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 12:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 12:08 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  After getting 'left behind' because of football I'm hopeful the big money guys get it. I'm betting that they do.

They do. Paying him is not the issue. Whenever it comes to that, the issue will be whether Fuente has the desire to move on to a bigger name program, like Cal eventually did.

No way to read his mind. And it's really way early to speculate. But if we keep him, great. If not, we're in a much better spot than before.

But that's all the energy I'm putting into this subject, for now. At least on here.

If / when we have to replace Fuente I hope that use the exact same search committee to recommend the hire. They clearly got this one right.

Actually, if I recall correctly, the committee recommended, and we were set to hire, the assistant from Alabama. But at the last minute, Raines went off the reservation, and called in Fuente for an interview, and overruled the committee, or won them over, or perhaps Fuente did. I may have the details a little muddled, but that's the gist of it.

You're close to what happened but it was a little more to it than that.

I was personally very honored that President Raines asked me to be on the search committee. McElwain was the front runner. When negotiations regarding salary was discussed, there was no problem, but what did surface was the buyout agreement if he were to be released from his contract. His agent was very adamant about a no buy out clause and this didn't sit well with President Raines nor the committee and especially committee Chair, Brad Martin. (Remember at the time we still had 3 full years to pay on Wests' contract at nearly a million a year). Discussions about this subject were discussed and McElwain and his agent were asked to think about this and get back to the committee that evening with an alternative plan. In the meantime, we decided we were going to interview other candidates in case this situation didn't work out (remember, Plan B better be just as good as Plan A).

Next interview was Fuente (at 5pm on a rainy and cold Friday evening in New York) and he blew the socks off the committee with his attitude, exuberance and organizational skills as well as his knowledge about the position and what it entailed. That was it! If McElwain and his agent didn't come back with an alternative plan for a buyout, we had our next choice.

Expecting a call that evening from McElwains' agent.....well it never came and come morning, the committee decided that Fuente would be offered the position. A call did come the next morning from McElwains' agent, but President Raines and the committee felt that they would move forward with Coach Fuente who agreed to a buyout proposition the University could live with and withdrew the offer to McElwain (who, by the way was a great interview and would have also done very well here, in my opinion). The committee under Brad Martin was solely responsible for the hire doing all the due diligence provided by the search firm that was required to hire the right person for the position.

So, if not for a simple buy out provision, Jim McElwain may have been the Head Coach instead of Fuente, but I, for one, am glad things have worked out as they have. I believe that Fuente will be with us for several more years, but if it doesn't work out that way, the program will be light years ahead of what it would have been under previous coaching staffs and we will all be indebted to Justin for helping this program, this University, and most of all the kids that want to play this game of Football for the Tigers.

Many thanks to everyone involved.
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(10-05-2014 01:03 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Not discussing Fuente... Just wondering which school will likely..possibly have openings. Not considering older coaches who may retire...based on struggling.

Kansas
Michigan
Nebraska
Purdue - Has a 2nd year coach - not going to be open
Clemson - not firing Dabo
NC State
Florida
Virginia - having a good year
Pitt
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WV - not firing Dana H.
Iowa State
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(10-05-2014 10:15 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  
(10-05-2014 01:22 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Michigan fans say Harbaugh, Miles or Mullen. Of those 3, I think only Mullen is realistic.

Wow, Michigan shouldn't accept Mullen on principle. Hire your biggest rivals former top assistant smacks desperation. Why would Mullen leave MSU for Michigan?

He wouldn't.
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(10-06-2014 07:11 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  I expect he's gone after this year. This is no "battered fan" talk-- just how it works. Memphis is far from a "destination job" in football, money or no.

If he goes, I absolutely can't blame him, as he's left it better than he found it.

Sure, i hope he stays, at least one more year. But I don't expect it.

I'm amazed at some of our fans. Yes, JF will leave, and probably within the 2-3 years....but he's not gonna bolt at the first opportunity.
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