(09-24-2014 06:24 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 01:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Right now it appears to be a two horse race.

1-0 South Florida
1-0 Tulsa
0-0 Cincinnati
0-0 #23 East Carolina
0-0 Temple
0-0 Memphis
0-0 Houston
0-0 UCF
0-0 SMU
0-1 Connecticut
0-1 Tulane

Good call. South Florida and Tulsa seem to be the early challengers.

How dare you inject a bit of reality into this thread.

(09-24-2014 01:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 07:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I want ECU to get a Big 12 invite. It's not possible for an entire 12 team league (any size league) to get an invite up to the big boy table. It's never happened, it never will. Knowing this, I want a strong AAC so that ECU's wins look better in our over all profile to get us to the big boy table where we belong. What's wrong with that? Do any of you guys want the AAC to get a call up to the big boy table (A "P6" conference set up) over your own school getting into the P5? USF, Cincinnati and Louisville fans: Did you want CUSA to rise up to the BCS in 2003, or were you content that the other 8 schools got left behind, and you were brought into the Big East?
BTW, if I thought there was any chance that all 12 AAC programs as a whole could get into the cartel, I'd probably look at things differently. I stick with probability over hope. CUSA from 1998 to 2004, and the MWC from 2004 to 2010 were both very good conferences. The MWC actually had multiple seasons of 3 out 9 schools ranked in top 25, and in an 8 year period had 4 seasons where they had a team finish in the Top 5. (Utah in 04 & 08, TCU in 09,10) BYU finished in top 15 the majority of that period as well...They deserved an upgrade, but the powers that be blocked it. Tulane deserved a BCS invite in 98; same injustice happened. Knowing this, I want nothing more than ECU getting a Big 12 invite and I'd think you'd want the same for your teams. Again, how is my thinking wrong on this?

lol....didn't you just get here? Might want actually play your first conference game before speculating on your exit.

Sure, every one in every G5 conference wants a P5 invite. The reality? May as well get comfy, it doesn't look like anyone is going anywhere for a while. For now, its probably better to wish for an AAC pay raise. Promotions hopefully will be coming for some---but that's well down the road.

This ^

If "billybobby" REAAALLY wants ECU to get a pay raise, then perhaps he should cheer a little harder for Pirate basketball. Our power basketball conference will factor heavily into TV talks.

You have to wonder what would have happen to the American, if the Big 12 had not taken West Virginia and TCU? Could this have been the American, we will never know but it could have been this:

Eastern
Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida

Western
Memphis
TCU
Houston
Colorado State
Boise State
BYU
Fresno State
San Diego State

Could have been interesting.

(09-24-2014 06:16 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 11:58 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 11:47 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 11:36 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 10:50 PM)mascotswinchampionships Wrote:  My worry is that if the AAC becomes too much of a threat to the Cartel they will purposefully poach a few teams to keep the conference as a whole out of the money game.
Cheaper than going to a Cartel of Six.

I think we all expect that to happen


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Cincinnati and Connecticut will both be eventually raided. East Carolina and Central Florida may on deck as well.

I don't know what the love affair with cincy and uconn is? I understand the connection to u of l for cincy but if we are making comparisons and having my whole family in cincy I don't understand why either is on a pedestal. IMO most of us has an equal shot. Heck if Memphis can keep going they will be a good option as well. (Never thought I would say that in the cusa days lol). Uconn and cincy's bball has value but outside of the acc and b10 (neither of which will make the next move next) why would that be a push? Uconn are a little farther ahead then us academically because of the endowment but from a research perspective and the incoming students we score similarly. Our research is at least on par and we partner with ut Ohio state cal Stanford asu etc in numerous academic and research endeavors. So outside of an endowment and an obvious difference in the state of our bball I don't see the difference. I will say right now I think that uconns bball may be countered by our football. Cincy has been successful at both but doesn't have the market or the fans to give at an edge. Amongst the top schools I feel there is a lot of parity


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I think you're severely undervaluing Cincy in your post. Here are the non-P5 programs that have reached the highest levels of college football without P5 resources:

Boise State (2 BCS Bowls, 2-0 record)
Cincinnati (2 BCS Bowls, 0-2 record)
UCF (1 BCS Bowl, 1-0 record)
UConn (1 BCS Bowl, 0-1 record)
Hawaii (1 BCS Bowl, 0-1 record)
Northern Illinois (1 BCS Bowl, 0-1 record)

The other 45 schools to reach BCS Bowls were P5 programs and Notre Dame.

Now here are those six programs ranked by market:

#19 - UCF
#30 - UConn
#36 - Cincinnati
#69 - Hawaii
#109 - Boise State
#135 - Northern Illinois

When you take into account their basketball programs, UConn and Cincy rise to the top fairly quickly. It's no surprise why people are constantly bringing them up.

what??? Your actually putting teams that won bcs auto bids in the "winning without resources" column? Cincinnati in 08, 09, UCONN in 10 and UCF in 12 are not the same thing.....

(09-24-2014 06:44 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  You have to wonder what would have happen to the American, if the Big 12 had not taken West Virginia and TCU? Could this have been the American, we will never know but it could have been this:

Eastern
Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida

Western
Memphis
TCU
Houston
Colorado State
Boise State
BYU
Fresno State
San Diego State

Could have been interesting.

It would've been a great conference, both football and basketball. I think when Pitt and Cuse announced their departure to the ACC though, the instability was too much to overcome. IMO the Big 12 made a MASSIVE mistake when they didn't take Louisville and Cincinnati with West Virginia, but I guess time will tell...

(09-24-2014 07:00 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 06:44 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  You have to wonder what would have happen to the American, if the Big 12 had not taken West Virginia and TCU? Could this have been the American, we will never know but it could have been this:

Eastern
Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida

Western
Memphis
TCU
Houston
Colorado State
Boise State
BYU
Fresno State
San Diego State

Could have been interesting.

It would've been a great conference, both football and basketball. I think when Pitt and Cuse announced their departure to the ACC though, the instability was too much to overcome. IMO the Big 12 made a MASSIVE mistake when they didn't take Louisville and Cincinnati with West Virginia, but I guess time will tell...

The big 12s biggest mistake was including Texas


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(09-24-2014 05:35 PM)eaglefanATO Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 05:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  ECU's track record of being overlooked for the "larger" markets is pretty much established. I think they would have to literally dominate the AAC in football and put a MUCH better product on the BB court to over come that. Honestly....I am skeptical that is possible. This league will have a lot of parity pretty quickly in football and despite our efforts... the BB issue is going to take some time. Realistically....I expect the AAC to be our home. Anything is possible though.

All any program can do is control the things it can control. Win..build..grow...The rest will take care of its self.

At least you didn't get overlooked and have pretty much all the teams you have history with replaced by schools whose football programs are younger than most good bottles of scotch.

Yep. I hate it for USM. You guys deserve better.

(09-24-2014 06:16 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 11:58 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 11:47 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 11:36 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 10:50 PM)mascotswinchampionships Wrote:  My worry is that if the AAC becomes too much of a threat to the Cartel they will purposefully poach a few teams to keep the conference as a whole out of the money game.
Cheaper than going to a Cartel of Six.

I think we all expect that to happen


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Cincinnati and Connecticut will both be eventually raided. East Carolina and Central Florida may on deck as well.

I don't know what the love affair with cincy and uconn is? I understand the connection to u of l for cincy but if we are making comparisons and having my whole family in cincy I don't understand why either is on a pedestal. IMO most of us has an equal shot. Heck if Memphis can keep going they will be a good option as well. (Never thought I would say that in the cusa days lol). Uconn and cincy's bball has value but outside of the acc and b10 (neither of which will make the next move next) why would that be a push? Uconn are a little farther ahead then us academically because of the endowment but from a research perspective and the incoming students we score similarly. Our research is at least on par and we partner with ut Ohio state cal Stanford asu etc in numerous academic and research endeavors. So outside of an endowment and an obvious difference in the state of our bball I don't see the difference. I will say right now I think that uconns bball may be countered by our football. Cincy has been successful at both but doesn't have the market or the fans to give at an edge. Amongst the top schools I feel there is a lot of parity


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I think you're severely undervaluing Cincy in your post. Here are the non-P5 programs that have reached the highest levels of college football without P5 resources:

Boise State (2 BCS Bowls, 2-0 record)
Cincinnati (2 BCS Bowls, 0-2 record)
UCF (1 BCS Bowl, 1-0 record)
UConn (1 BCS Bowl, 0-1 record)
Hawaii (1 BCS Bowl, 0-1 record)
Northern Illinois (1 BCS Bowl, 0-1 record)

The other 45 schools to reach BCS Bowls were P5 programs and Notre Dame.

Now here are those six programs ranked by market:

#19 - UCF
#30 - UConn
#36 - Cincinnati
#69 - Hawaii
#109 - Boise State
#135 - Northern Illinois

When you take into account their basketball programs, UConn and Cincy rise to the top fairly quickly. It's no surprise why people are constantly bringing them up.

Sorry, but the bolded were in a AQ conference at the time, just say'n.

(09-24-2014 10:39 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 06:16 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 11:58 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 11:47 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 11:36 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I think we all expect that to happen


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Cincinnati and Connecticut will both be eventually raided. East Carolina and Central Florida may on deck as well.

I don't know what the love affair with cincy and uconn is? I understand the connection to u of l for cincy but if we are making comparisons and having my whole family in cincy I don't understand why either is on a pedestal. IMO most of us has an equal shot. Heck if Memphis can keep going they will be a good option as well. (Never thought I would say that in the cusa days lol). Uconn and cincy's bball has value but outside of the acc and b10 (neither of which will make the next move next) why would that be a push? Uconn are a little farther ahead then us academically because of the endowment but from a research perspective and the incoming students we score similarly. Our research is at least on par and we partner with ut Ohio state cal Stanford asu etc in numerous academic and research endeavors. So outside of an endowment and an obvious difference in the state of our bball I don't see the difference. I will say right now I think that uconns bball may be countered by our football. Cincy has been successful at both but doesn't have the market or the fans to give at an edge. Amongst the top schools I feel there is a lot of parity


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I think you're severely undervaluing Cincy in your post. Here are the non-P5 programs that have reached the highest levels of college football without P5 resources:

Boise State (2 BCS Bowls, 2-0 record)
Cincinnati (2 BCS Bowls, 0-2 record)
UCF (1 BCS Bowl, 1-0 record)
UConn (1 BCS Bowl, 0-1 record)
Hawaii (1 BCS Bowl, 0-1 record)
Northern Illinois (1 BCS Bowl, 0-1 record)

The other 45 schools to reach BCS Bowls were P5 programs and Notre Dame.

Now here are those six programs ranked by market:

#19 - UCF
#30 - UConn
#36 - Cincinnati
#69 - Hawaii
#109 - Boise State
#135 - Northern Illinois

When you take into account their basketball programs, UConn and Cincy rise to the top fairly quickly. It's no surprise why people are constantly bringing them up.

Sorry, but the bolded were in a AQ conference at the time, just say'n.

No question. My point was not about AQ but rather that those six programs did not have the resources of the P5 schools. AQ or not, none of those schools were making $20m plus a year to get them to that level. They did it all based on other institutional advantages.

Based on that, you can make the argument that having those resources would take these schools to even higher levels.

Also, it's worth noting that UCF would've made a BCS bowl anyway because had UCF not been AQ last year, we still would've been the highest ranked school outside of an AQ conference and were in the top 16 ahead of an AQ champion. The AQ argument does not apply to UCF at all.

The AQ argument also does not apply to Cincy in 2009 when they would've been the highest ranked team outside of an AQ league as well.

(09-25-2014 03:21 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  The AQ argument also does not apply to Cincy in 2009 when they would've been the highest ranked team outside of an AQ league as well.

actually both Boise and TCU were a little ahead of Cincinnati. In fact, Cincinnati was the LAST team chosen by the BCS selection committee that year. TCU was chosen first as the highest rated non aq team, and then Boise st was picked as an at large selection by the fiesta. The fiesta actually chose to have 2 non aq s play each other then pick cinci. That's what happened. It was pretty stunning and I have to guess embarrassing for cinci who ended up losing to V Tech in the orange bowl. BTW, the year before same thing happened and cinci was last pick by bcs and played Virginia tech in orange bowl. I think it was TCU that got picked for the Rose Bowl in 2010 over UCONN...Could be wrong on all the details. You guys know that the Boise /Virginia tech kickoff game on ESPN was the 2nd highest rated game of 09. Only SEC game on CBS had higher ratings. That's even more incredible.

(09-25-2014 03:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  [quote='St. H. Gink' pid='11166453' dateline='1411676475']
The AQ argument also does not apply to Cincy in 2009 when they would've been the highest ranked team outside of an AQ league as well.

The best example is 2004 when Utah got into the bcs by being in the top 4 and the bcs was forced to take them because they were that damn good. (Before the BCS did the whole top ranked non-aq gets in automatically) See Northern Illinois in 2012.

(09-23-2014 10:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 09:23 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 08:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 07:16 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  billybobby77troll7

Hey troll raid, where do you live? Who s your real team? I hide nothing. You hide everything. Where's your bio? Come out of your hole troll.

Youare not smart enough....to have a conversation with me. If it wasn't obvious what my team was.

you right im not smart enough, i didn't go to coog high....Texas Techairraid

Techairraid?!? You probably mean Tortilla Tech

(09-25-2014 04:49 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 10:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 09:23 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 08:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 07:16 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  billybobby77troll7

Hey troll raid, where do you live? Who s your real team? I hide nothing. You hide everything. Where's your bio? Come out of your hole troll.

Youare not smart enough....to have a conversation with me. If it wasn't obvious what my team was.

you right im not smart enough, i didn't go to coog high....Texas Techairraid

Techairraid?!? You probably mean Tortilla Tech

yeah, I meant tortilla tech

(09-24-2014 06:33 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 01:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 07:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I want ECU to get a Big 12 invite. It's not possible for an entire 12 team league (any size league) to get an invite up to the big boy table. It's never happened, it never will. Knowing this, I want a strong AAC so that ECU's wins look better in our over all profile to get us to the big boy table where we belong. What's wrong with that? Do any of you guys want the AAC to get a call up to the big boy table (A "P6" conference set up) over your own school getting into the P5? USF, Cincinnati and Louisville fans: Did you want CUSA to rise up to the BCS in 2003, or were you content that the other 8 schools got left behind, and you were brought into the Big East?
BTW, if I thought there was any chance that all 12 AAC programs as a whole could get into the cartel, I'd probably look at things differently. I stick with probability over hope. CUSA from 1998 to 2004, and the MWC from 2004 to 2010 were both very good conferences. The MWC actually had multiple seasons of 3 out 9 schools ranked in top 25, and in an 8 year period had 4 seasons where they had a team finish in the Top 5. (Utah in 04 & 08, TCU in 09,10) BYU finished in top 15 the majority of that period as well...They deserved an upgrade, but the powers that be blocked it. Tulane deserved a BCS invite in 98; same injustice happened. Knowing this, I want nothing more than ECU getting a Big 12 invite and I'd think you'd want the same for your teams. Again, how is my thinking wrong on this?

lol....didn't you just get here? Might want actually play your first conference game before speculating on your exit.

Sure, every one in every G5 conference wants a P5 invite. The reality? May as well get comfy, it doesn't look like anyone is going anywhere for a while. For now, its probably better to wish for an AAC pay raise. Promotions hopefully will be coming for some---but that's well down the road.

This ^

If "billybobby" REAAALLY wants ECU to get a pay raise, then perhaps he should cheer a little harder for Pirate basketball. Our power basketball conference will factor heavily into TV talks.

And this ^^

It's just my opinion but I don't think Texas and Oaklahoma are long for the BIG 12 . I think they eventualy give up on trying to hold the conference up . They head to the B1G leaving the rest to rebuild the conference. At that point it will have to go to 16 to appear viable .

(09-25-2014 04:52 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 06:33 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 01:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 07:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I want ECU to get a Big 12 invite. It's not possible for an entire 12 team league (any size league) to get an invite up to the big boy table. It's never happened, it never will. Knowing this, I want a strong AAC so that ECU's wins look better in our over all profile to get us to the big boy table where we belong. What's wrong with that? Do any of you guys want the AAC to get a call up to the big boy table (A "P6" conference set up) over your own school getting into the P5? USF, Cincinnati and Louisville fans: Did you want CUSA to rise up to the BCS in 2003, or were you content that the other 8 schools got left behind, and you were brought into the Big East?
BTW, if I thought there was any chance that all 12 AAC programs as a whole could get into the cartel, I'd probably look at things differently. I stick with probability over hope. CUSA from 1998 to 2004, and the MWC from 2004 to 2010 were both very good conferences. The MWC actually had multiple seasons of 3 out 9 schools ranked in top 25, and in an 8 year period had 4 seasons where they had a team finish in the Top 5. (Utah in 04 & 08, TCU in 09,10) BYU finished in top 15 the majority of that period as well...They deserved an upgrade, but the powers that be blocked it. Tulane deserved a BCS invite in 98; same injustice happened. Knowing this, I want nothing more than ECU getting a Big 12 invite and I'd think you'd want the same for your teams. Again, how is my thinking wrong on this?

lol....didn't you just get here? Might want actually play your first conference game before speculating on your exit.

Sure, every one in every G5 conference wants a P5 invite. The reality? May as well get comfy, it doesn't look like anyone is going anywhere for a while. For now, its probably better to wish for an AAC pay raise. Promotions hopefully will be coming for some---but that's well down the road.

This ^

If "billybobby" REAAALLY wants ECU to get a pay raise, then perhaps he should cheer a little harder for Pirate basketball. Our power basketball conference will factor heavily into TV talks.

And this ^^

It just doesn't work that way. I can cheer as hard as I can for Pirate basketball, basketball is at best 15% of a conference's TV value. It's about football.
P.S. Don't bother to use the Big East as an example. They get 3 mil a year for basketball on fox sports 1 compared to the Big 10, SEC etc. who get ABC, CBS ESPN coverage plus a min of 25 to 30 million a year for their football games.

The AAC is a G5 standard conference. A top heavy conference will never be relevant.


Any school that gets out (into the P5) -- would be doing itself a huge favor. There is NO incentive for any program to stay and wait for the AAC to rise to prominence (because it never will).


Remember, schools are not invited OUT because of football wins for a couple seasons... They need to demonstrate that they can produce entertainment money (*cough Rutgers). Cincy is in a league of it's own -- bringing in funds/tv market across all athletics. UCONN arises seconds.

The Old Big East was FAR superior to the current AAC. No contest. However, it was on the outside edge.

(09-26-2014 09:54 AM)Bear Wrote:  The AAC is a G5 standard conference. A top heavy conference will never be relevant.


Any school that gets out (into the P5) -- would be doing itself a huge favor. There is NO incentive for any program to stay and wait for the AAC to rise to prominence (because it never will).


Remember, schools are not invited OUT because of football wins for a couple seasons... They need to demonstrate that they can produce entertainment money (*cough Rutgers). Cincy is in a league of it's own -- bringing in funds/tv market across all athletics. UCONN arises seconds.

The Old Big East was FAR superior to the current AAC. No contest. However, it was on the outside edge.

Oh I agree Bear, 100% agree in fact. It's a good thing this isn't ECU's first rodeo. We were having seasons like this (even bigger) before 3 of the AAC schools even had football programs.

(09-25-2014 03:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 03:21 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  The AQ argument also does not apply to Cincy in 2009 when they would've been the highest ranked team outside of an AQ league as well.

actually both Boise and TCU were a little ahead of Cincinnati. In fact, Cincinnati was the LAST team chosen by the BCS selection committee that year. TCU was chosen first as the highest rated non aq team, and then Boise st was picked as an at large selection by the fiesta. The fiesta actually chose to have 2 non aq s play each other then pick cinci. That's what happened. It was pretty stunning and I have to guess embarrassing for cinci who ended up losing to V Tech in the orange bowl. BTW, the year before same thing happened and cinci was last pick by bcs and played Virginia tech in orange bowl. I think it was TCU that got picked for the Rose Bowl in 2010 over UCONN...Could be wrong on all the details. You guys know that the Boise /Virginia tech kickoff game on ESPN was the 2nd highest rated game of 09. Only SEC game on CBS had higher ratings. That's even more incredible.

With Cincy at #3 in the final BCS Standings in 2009 - behind only Alabama and Texas - they still would've been the highest ranked non-P5 school. TCU (#4) and Boise State (#6) were both ranked lower. The AQ argument does not apply there.