...is the question, "Who Created God?"

It shows an inability (or, perhaps simply a willful refusal to engage in) speculation about the nature and limitations of time.

For example, how can an Atheist mentally assent to a concept such as string theory, that requires the possibility of extra spacial dimensions, and yet staunchly dismiss the possibility of God's existence simply by insisting He would "have to" have been created--so that it "creates" some series of infinite creations by other gods?

If you are an Atheist, can you not at least see/admit the irony?

I've pointed out this specific thing to several of them.

They never have much of an answer.

my take:

1. 75% of the logic the OP is trying to convey doesn't even make sense. it just reads like endless bullsh.it with no clear direction from my POV

2. I have no idea what the string theory is

3. the question raised by the OP is really just a glorified version of "what came first the chicken or the egg" and should be treated as such

4. as an atheist I have never asked this question before so...:shrugs:

Because there isn't an answer yet, the issue here is that you don't realize they don't require that answer to be able to dismiss your explanation. And quite frankly, who wants to bet that if we eventually find out the answer, it's not going to revolve around a bearded guy in the sky who is concerned over whether or not you touch yourself.

(09-24-2014 08:30 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Because there isn't an answer yet, the issue here is that you don't realize they don't require that answer to be able to dismiss your explanation. And quite frankly, who wants to bet that if we eventually find out the answer, it's not going to revolve around a bearded guy in the sky who is concerned over whether or not you touch yourself.

Ahh the eternal question of what to believe....

The invisible man in the sky or the entire cosmos from absolute nothingness for no reason at all.

Hmmmm...........

We all know that a modern home computer cannot just create itself. All those molecules aren't going to just come together to magically create a 2014 home computer with Windows 8.

We can wait 50000000 trillion trillion trillion years and this will never happen.

But some expect us to believe that's just what happen with the entire universe on an infinitely bigger and more complex scale.

WTF ever

As an atheist (oh, my conservative buds in this forum are going to fry me) who was raised Catholic, I've often thought about this very subject and many times it boiled down to was God always here or was the universe always here? I can see, touch, feel, and smell a small portion of the universe, but not so much with God. There are also contradictions and other things about religion that I just can't reconcile - like the Virgin Mary, the Burning Bush, the endless fish and loaves of bread, Adam and Eve, and so on. Why did all of these miracles occur before the invention of the television camera? One of my biggest concerns is how the Catholic religion "evolved" over time. How can a religion evolve? And one of the things that I always had concerns about were sins and being absolved of them. The Catholic church considers murder and missing church on Sunday sins that are equal, yet both can be purged through confession.

I don't believe in a supreme being, but I wouldn't mind being wrong about this. I respect religion and people who believe in it and, with the exception of Islam, I never ridicule it. You folks who believe have a sort of comfort us non believers don't enjoy. Salute.

(09-24-2014 08:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  my take:

1. 75% of the logic the OP is trying to convey doesn't even make sense. it just reads like endless bullsh.it with no clear direction from my POV

2. I have no idea what the string theory is

3. the question raised by the OP is really just a glorified version of "what came first the chicken or the egg" and should be treated as such

4. as an atheist I have never asked this question before so...:shrugs:

I take it you're a fundamentalist Atheist, then? I.e., everything about Atheism must be taken literally, and no room for allegory or symbolism?

Man created god in their image to tell others how to live their lives.

(09-24-2014 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Man created god in their image to tell others how to live their lives.

You're saying atheists don't do the same?

(09-24-2014 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Man created god in their image to tell others how to live their lives.

I think you just big time

(09-24-2014 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Man created god in their image to tell others how to live their lives.

uh.. no.

(09-24-2014 08:49 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 08:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  my take:

1. 75% of the logic the OP is trying to convey doesn't even make sense. it just reads like endless bullsh.it with no clear direction from my POV

2. I have no idea what the string theory is

3. the question raised by the OP is really just a glorified version of "what came first the chicken or the egg" and should be treated as such

4. as an atheist I have never asked this question before so...:shrugs:

I take it you're a fundamentalist Atheist, then? I.e., everything about Atheism must be taken literally, and no room for allegory or symbolism?

i'm my own brand of "non-believer" I almost never refer to myself as an atheist and you have as much a chance of getting me to attend an atheist rally as you have of me attending church.which is a big giant "**** no"

TBH i couldn't even tell you want the categories of atheism are let alone define myself as one.

(09-24-2014 08:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Man created god in their image to tell others how to live their lives.

uh.. no.

oh yes...OH YES...OH YES

(09-24-2014 08:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  As an atheist (oh, my conservative buds in this forum are going to fry me) who was raised Catholic, I've often thought about this very subject and many times it boiled down to was God always here or was the universe always here? I can see, touch, feel, and smell a small portion of the universe, but not so much with God. There are also contradictions and other things about religion that I just can't reconcile - like the Virgin Mary, the Burning Bush, the endless fish and loaves of bread, Adam and Eve, and so on. Why did all of these miracles occur before the invention of the television camera? One of my biggest concerns is how the Catholic religion "evolved" over time. How can a religion evolve? And one of the things that I always had concerns about were sins and being absolved of them. The Catholic church considers murder and missing church on Sunday sins that are equal, yet both can be purged through confession.

I don't believe in a supreme being, but I wouldn't mind being wrong about this. I respect religion and people who believe in it and, with the exception of Islam, I never ridicule it. You folks who believe have a sort of comfort us non believers don't enjoy. Salute.

So you are clearly saying you do not believe in the God Of Abraham.

But do you really believe the entire universe of time, space, matter, energy and all its unfathomable infinities of pure chance and "just rightness" just popped in to existence from nothingness?

(09-24-2014 08:53 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Man created god in their image to tell others how to live their lives.

You're saying atheists don't do the same?

Where did I say that? Of course there are atheists that tell others how they should live their lives. There's a lot of closed mindedness from both sides of the spectrum.

The way I see it is that the idea of a God and the best current scientific explanation (big bang theory) both require a huge leap of faith and questions like "who created God?" and "how did everything come from nothing?" are both ridiculous in that they have no answer that we understand, but important because it's probably the most important piece in each puzzle, if the creation story is true then there must be an answer.

Using those questions to ridicule people who are in either camp is stupid though because nobody's understanding is complete and most common belief systems involve making extreme assumptions about things that you don't or can't know or understand. It's pretty hypocritical to use a question like that to try and outsmart someone. To me the idea of God makes less sense than everything coming from nothing. For some people, the opposite may be true but I can appreciate how they might come to that conclusion, I just don't agree with it.

(09-24-2014 08:54 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Man created god in their image to tell others how to live their lives.

I think you just big time

Its child like posts like this that make people believe your are a 16 year old buried in pizza boxes, Cheetos dust and dried c.um tissues.

(09-24-2014 09:05 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 08:54 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Man created god in their image to tell others how to live their lives.

I think you just big time

Its child like posts like this that make people believe your are a 16 year old buried in pizza boxes, Cheetos dust and dried c.um tissues.

can't handle the heat eh???

(09-24-2014 08:58 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 08:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  As an atheist (oh, my conservative buds in this forum are going to fry me) who was raised Catholic, I've often thought about this very subject and many times it boiled down to was God always here or was the universe always here? I can see, touch, feel, and smell a small portion of the universe, but not so much with God. There are also contradictions and other things about religion that I just can't reconcile - like the Virgin Mary, the Burning Bush, the endless fish and loaves of bread, Adam and Eve, and so on. Why did all of these miracles occur before the invention of the television camera? One of my biggest concerns is how the Catholic religion "evolved" over time. How can a religion evolve? And one of the things that I always had concerns about were sins and being absolved of them. The Catholic church considers murder and missing church on Sunday sins that are equal, yet both can be purged through confession.

I don't believe in a supreme being, but I wouldn't mind being wrong about this. I respect religion and people who believe in it and, with the exception of Islam, I never ridicule it. You folks who believe have a sort of comfort us non believers don't enjoy. Salute.

So you are clearly saying you do not believe in the God Of Abraham.

But do you really believe the entire universe of time, space, matter, energy and all its unfathomable infinities of pure chance and "just rightness" just popped in to existence from nothingness?

One of the two, God or the universe, popped into existence from nothingness, I had to choose one and I chose the one I can see. I'm actually more of an agnostic than an atheist.