From the article:

The ACC could become the old Big East in terms of NCAA bids

I'm not saying this league is going to get 11 teams in the field of 68 like the old Big East did in 2011, but it wouldn't shock me if six to eight teams get into the NCAA tourney from this conference on a regular basis. Louisville, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, and Syracuse all have the ability to be top-15 programs annually while Florida State and North Carolina State have consistently recruited on an extremely high level under Leonard Hamilton and Mark Gottfried. That's seven schools right there that should always be in the NCAA discussion and we've yet to mention Pitt, Notre Dame, or Miami. Another thing to keep in mind regarding the ACC's bid situation? If other BCS leagues like the Pac-12 or the SEC struggle to identify tournament-caliber teams after the pre-existing alpha dogs already in their conference (Arizona in the Pac-12, Kentucky and Florida in the SEC), programs in the ACC will benefit because they're going to get more opportunities to play quality competition and enhance their NCAA resume with victories against potential tournament teams. Six to eight bids on an annual basis for the ACC? Sounds about right.

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OH NO! The last thing the ACC wants to become is the old Big East. That means the conference is doomed.

(09-21-2014 07:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  OH NO! The last thing the ACC wants to become is the old Big East. That means the conference is doomed.

Good One......Swofford is > than Trainedgeesed and Meatball...

Will Duke, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, UNC, etc. get fed up with the football-first schools and split, while Florida State, Louisville, and Virginia Tech pine to leave the conference?

Had to drop some good news about the ACC, despite it's irrelevancy during football season, in order to try and counter the bad weekend?

(09-21-2014 08:00 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Had to drop some good news about the ACC, despite it's irrelevancy during football season, in order to try and counter the bad weekend?

Not really...like I said more concerned about LOUISVILLE Issues at QB & OLine not some meaningless pissing contest on which conference is better in Football...in reality in Football it is all about the SEC & Pac 12....believe it or not Basketball Practice starts in about 3 weeks and is the other Revenue Sport....

Um, I'd expect the ACC to be taking 6-8 bids a year. Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville plus Pitt, NC State, Virginia, Notre Dame, plus Florida State, Miami (recent FF run), Virginia Tech bringing in Buzz Williams. Georgia Tech has been strong, so has Wake Forest.

This group of 15 school took home 7 bids last year and 8 bids the 2 years before that. That's the expectation.

Over in the Big East, we were wringing our hands and worrying about 4 bids out of 10. 6 bids out of 15 is the same percentage, and would be a down year for the new ACC.

(09-21-2014 08:03 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 08:00 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Had to drop some good news about the ACC, despite it's irrelevancy during football season, in order to try and counter the bad weekend?

Not really...like I said more concerned about LOUISVILLE Issues at QB & OLine not some meaningless pissing contest on which conference is better in Football...in reality in Football it is all about the SEC & Pac 12....believe it or not Basketball Practice starts in about 3 weeks and is the other Revenue Sport....

I was just messing with ya.

(09-21-2014 07:58 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Will Duke, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, UNC, etc. get fed up with the football-first schools and split, while Florida State, Louisville, and Virginia Tech pine to leave the conference?

Louisville belongs in the first group with the Dukes of the world. They can't run with the top football teams in the ACC.

(09-22-2014 01:53 AM)CoogNellie Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 07:58 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Will Duke, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, UNC, etc. get fed up with the football-first schools and split, while Florida State, Louisville, and Virginia Tech pine to leave the conference?

Louisville belongs in the first group with the Dukes of the world. They can't run with the top football teams in the ACC.

Lol, got us a 'Murcainer here to throw some badasse-opines around-- I'm tremblin' fella!

(09-22-2014 01:53 AM)CoogNellie Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 07:58 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Will Duke, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, UNC, etc. get fed up with the football-first schools and split, while Florida State, Louisville, and Virginia Tech pine to leave the conference?

Louisville belongs in the first group with the Dukes of the world. They can't run with the top football teams in the ACC.

There you have it. A fan of a team who lost to UT San Antonio told us the future of Louisville football. UH should be striving for 8-4 type seasons.

Yeah Houston, a school moving down the food chain in the AAC now that ECU has arrived and UCF still showing some Mojo. Oh well We can smile anyway at Our future.

(09-21-2014 08:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Um, I'd expect the ACC to be taking 6-8 bids a year. Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville plus Pitt, NC State, Virginia, Notre Dame, plus Florida State, Miami (recent FF run), Virginia Tech bringing in Buzz Williams. Georgia Tech has been strong, so has Wake Forest.

This group of 15 school took home 7 bids last year and 8 bids the 2 years before that. That's the expectation.

Over in the Big East, we were wringing our hands and worrying about 4 bids out of 10. 6 bids out of 15 is the same percentage, and would be a down year for the new ACC.

This.

To the individual school, it's the percentage of teams with bids that matters. It always amazed me how people on ESPN were outraged that 8/16 Big East teams got bids, but there was narry a peep when 6/9 ACC teams got bids in 2001.

Really to compare to the old Big East since '05...the ACC needs to consistently get 8-10 teams each year. Going forward, I see 9 normally (Big 4, Pitt, UVA, NCSt, ND plus a wildcard). The ACC's key is can it develop 2 wild card teams each year to get to 10 teams?

ACC schools seem to be trying to avoid falling into the mezzanine level they were on from the 60s-80s. They are all investing in practice facilities. Interesting in light of O'Bannon. These things shouldn't matter so much for recruiting, but they do.

Article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution today (but seems to be behind the pay wall). Georgia Tech's and Duke's are 3 years old. NCSU and Wake Forest just broke ground. WF is spending $21 million on theirs. FSU ($15 million), Clemson and UVA opened facilities in 2013. Syracuse and VT will open facilities before year end. UL's are fairly new. Only BC and Miami won't have indoor facilities. Duke is also planning a major stadium renovation.

(09-21-2014 07:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  From the article:

The ACC could become the old Big East in terms of NCAA bids

I'm not saying this league is going to get 11 teams in the field of 68 like the old Big East did in 2011, but it wouldn't shock me if six to eight teams get into the NCAA tourney from this conference on a regular basis. Louisville, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, and Syracuse all have the ability to be top-15 programs annually while Florida State and North Carolina State have consistently recruited on an extremely high level under Leonard Hamilton and Mark Gottfried. That's seven schools right there that should always be in the NCAA discussion and we've yet to mention Pitt, Notre Dame, or Miami. Another thing to keep in mind regarding the ACC's bid situation? If other BCS leagues like the Pac-12 or the SEC struggle to identify tournament-caliber teams after the pre-existing alpha dogs already in their conference (Arizona in the Pac-12, Kentucky and Florida in the SEC), programs in the ACC will benefit because they're going to get more opportunities to play quality competition and enhance their NCAA resume with victories against potential tournament teams. Six to eight bids on an annual basis for the ACC? Sounds about right.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...ks-stacked

What do you mean could become the old Bog East? With 6 of 14 schools coming from the old BE, the new ACC IS the old big East. Those 6 should be good for 4 or 5 bids every year.

Snap! I forgot about ND being a member for all sports BUT football. So that's 7 out of 15 being former BE schools in a hybrid conference, where basketball will be king. Man that feels familiar.

It just means the ACC is going to make tons of basketball money, besides its $20 to $22 Looks like a bad case of **** for brains to me! per school in football! Looj at the potential to earn NCAA basketball money:

Clemson
Duke
FSU
Louisville
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia

Life is good in the ACC!

(09-22-2014 08:18 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It just means the ACC is going to make tons of basketball money, besides its $20 to $22 Looks like a bad case of **** for brains to me! per school in football! Looj at the potential to earn NCAA basketball money:

Clemson
Duke
FSU
Louisville
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia

Life is good in the ACC!

Clemson/FSU basketball is the equivalent of UCONN football. Good luck collecting those credits.

The ACC was lucky it got the number of bids it got this past season. Trust in the conference (as well as the Big East) helped get Xavier and NCST into the dance over some others.

The conference should be fine because of the recruiting footprint they have. Parity might hurt them a bit, which happened a lot in the Big East, but it seemed like the good teams there always found a way to win certain good games it needed to. In the ACC, sometimes teams slip and do so in the wrong way.

I see the conference breaking down into four groups. The first two can/or have consistently in the past contribute competitively. The third...once in a good while you get something. The fourth? Hey, it happens (at least for Miami).

Cuse
Duke
UNC
Louisville
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Wake
Pitt
ND
NCSU
UVA
GT
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Clemson
FSU
BC
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UMFL
VT

Who cares? The real college sport is being played right now.